THE COMMIES HAVE INVADED BRAZIL!!!!!! - La Raza!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[American Kid]

This actually isn't such a bad thing, I don't think. And he's not even a "communist", as much a "leftist". Which I think is okay, though harbor deep fears it may be just more commie jedi mind tricks.

"You're a red commie bastard!!!!"

"I'm not a commie bastard. I'm a socialist."

"You are not a commie bastard. You are a socialist. Here, take this deed to all the land I own. It's yours now. Even though my father and grandfather labored many years to work and save and to construct the house on it.........................*drools* uhg..........."

:) No, from what I've read Brazille (La Raza!!!!!!!!!!!!!) has a pretty major unemployment problem, and this guy Silva is going to do things to rectify it. Which is good.

I'm just worried that things are going to go well and then I'm going to read in the paper one moring:

"Leftist Brazillian gov imposes ban on certain liberties

-----------"to keep people in line," official says. :

I mean, that's something to worry about.

I hope he does great things with the economy. And it fucking ends there.
-AK

[new democracy]

he is not that radical, but there are factions in his parties that are commies. there are some with names like "revolucionary marxist group" "marxist organization" "revolutionary socialism". he have a lot of trotskists(or as mazdak will say "counter revolutionaries" )factions in his party.

[Exploited Class]

I'm just worried that things are going to go well and then I'm going to read in the paper one moring:

"Leftist Brazillian gov imposes ban on certain liberties

-----------"to keep people in line," official says. :

I mean, that's something to worry about.


Okay if you are going to spend any amount of measurable time worrying about that, then here's a nice cup of worry about cancer or a metorite smashing into your forehead as you sit shotgun in a 1987 Ford oh I don't know let's say Taurus because the chances of that happening to you are more likely than a democraticly elected landslide voted for, president doing that.

See, the above statement of yours happens during hostile take over situations not elections by a big majority. Now let's say in a little out of the way country like America, where there was a huge disputed election just of late, there are now T.I.P.S., Patriot Act, T.I.P.S. get away vacation camps for the kiddies. See those worries should be at home not abroad with a 61% vote.

[KARL P E G]

Exploited is right in a way. Looking at Brazil as an American is like looking at a burning hat for someone whose owb house is burning.
Bush wasn't legaly elected by the American people so one cant really blame them for his shit. The biggest problem is the media broadcasting the impression that nearly all Americans stand behind what Bush is doing. I personally cant believe the Americans do... America needs a revolution but that is a long way to go because it's system is based on capitalism. I hope the Americans will wake up before its too late for that. Stop producing terrorism by interferring in other states affaires and in doing so spreading hate all over the world. I wish the Americans good luck! Che lives!

[Anonymous]

Brazil is a blody mess, first the unemployment is a big problem, then the corruption is also a big problem ( more than 90% of the brazilian corruption is both govermental and corporative), and more, brazilian misiry only existes because of corruption, unemployment only existes becasue of corruption, violence only exists becasue of unemployment taht generates misery that only exists due to corruption, brazil is hte perfect capitalist state, with corruption, violence, unemployement, and misery, it really shows people what hapens when capitalism prevails, and Lula (the new president) is trying to do something impossible, trying to end poverty using a more "human" capitalism (he really said this!) he was a member of the communist party, and now has the laborer party, although i think he is trying to do something good, he is doing it all wrong, he cannot improve brazilians life with capitalism, he must end that elitist society that is corrupting brasil and only after all the corrupt borguase (wich are very few yet very powerfull) are dead (yes becasue death is the only think they deserve!) the people can be free

AVANTE PCB! (brazilian comunist party)

[Guest]

this is ND, i am posting as guest since i am too lazy to log in and this thread is in soc vs. cap. anarchist, do you really believed yourself when you said that death is the only "think" the "borguase" deserve!? are you fucking out of your mind!? yes, i hate capitalism too, but killing them!? your insane and you need help(hypocrite me, i am telling to someone that he need help while this site has become a part of my life that i take everything here so seriously). and yes, Lula is social democrat(social bourgeoisie).

[Anonymous]

you have no idea what brazialian burguase are, you have no idea the empires opf blood and crime they build! theyr reing of terror is gone too far! the brazilian burguase are about 1 or 2 % of the pop, they are rich, powerful and have personal litle armys, they can kill who they want, bribe and threat everyone and even police is half controled by them, they are not only burguae, they are grug lords, killers and rappers, and for them brazil is a gigantistic opurtunity o kill like they want! so yes those bastards deserve death! of course litle burguase arent guilty at all, the elite is all criminal even the VIPs!

[new democracy]

lol lol lol!!!!! learn to spell!!!!even my english is not that bad. and you are completely fanatic.

[guerrillaradio]

He's not so much a socialist as a neo-liberalist. When it comes down to it, this guy will work with big business and American interests at the loss of wealth redistribution. I don't like him.

[Anonymous]

"He's not so much a socialist as a neo-liberalist. When it comes down to it, this guy will work with big business and American interests at the loss of wealth redistribution. I don't like him."

YES thas my main councern! Lula may turn a fake leftist and sell out! that is what worrys me!

l"ol lol!!!!! learn to spell!!!!even my english is not that bad. and you are completely fanatic. "

and you must learn to get some answeares because really uou loose all debates with such child behaviours!

[antieverything]

I'm leaning towards agreeing with the anarchist on this one (on the problem, not the solution). The state of Brazil's society is completely incomprehensible for most of us. I believe that Brazil has one of the worst occurances of income inequality in the world. My school had two exchange students from Brazil last year (and one from Germany who thought we were all impoverished barbarians). These girls both brought with them pictures of their schools, friends, and families in Brazil...stuff like their four-story house on the coast...pictures of the servants, shit like that. Of course we all thought that they were filthy rich...they seemed to think that this perception was strange! Now juxtapose this picture of Brazil with what Brazil is like for the bottom 98% of the population...shanty-towns, subsistance farming, street-gangs.

I don't have much of a problem with this guy. He built a coalition and was able to WIN, beat the ruling party, and the CIA hasn't killed him yet. Amazing by all standards. He has said that is foremost goal is to alleviate poverty.

[Smoking Frog II]

I think it's a good thing that Brazil have slanted towards left, Th greedy Americans can't mine there any more.

Also, ya title was a bit misleading. The commies didn't invede brazil, they won an election.

[new democracy]

i think he is not really a moderate socialist. he is just acting like this, and he is planing to completely change brazil. remember that while he calls himself moderate socialist, most of the factions in his party are extreme leftists. and there are some more communists and socialists inside the parliament.

(Edited by new democracy at 6:26 pm on Nov. 5, 2002)

[Exploited Class]

Quote: from new democracy on 6:25 pm on Nov. 5, 2002
i think he is not really a moderate socialist. he is just acting like this, and he is planing to completely change brazil. remember that while he calls himself moderate socialist, most of the factions in his party are extreme leftists. and there are some more communists and socialists inside the parliament.

(Edited by new democracy at 6:26 pm on Nov. 5, 2002)


Kind of like how Bush called himself a compasionate conservitave to get elected. He hasn't been compasionate about one damn thing.

Well he is compasionate about oil, or he has a passion for oil.

I suspect the same thing you do however, he is just saying that he is moderate.

[Sol]

I've gotten two totally different images of this guy. One fights for the poor, strives to alleviate poverty, etc. and the other says he will work with transnationals, trading partners, etc and has announced plans to privatize water. How he thinks he can do both is scary, 'cause this is really a capitalist delusion.

Reading the business journals, you get the feeling that they aren't real worried, which is a bad sign for the Left and the Brazilian masses.

Also, did you guys hear about those southern Republicans who declared Venezuela, Nicaragua and Brazil a new 'Axis of Evil' who planned on infringing on 'US strategic interests'? Fucking hilarious.

[antieverything]

Privitizing water? Idiocy! Is he stupid or what?

Are you kidding about this? Does anyone have any links to info about this guy?

[Cobra]

Shit! He wants to privatize water!? If what Sol is saying is true, then Lula might have tried to make himself look like a leftist to get more votes just to win the election. He might be a fake-leftist and is actually a greedy rightist whore. I hope this isn't true!

Sol, where did you get that information?

(Edited by Cobra at 9:33 pm on Nov. 6, 2002)