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MaxB
26th October 2002, 00:39
Is it Fascist to be Anti-Communist?
Answering the above question is extremely important, since it is a Communist tactic to immobilize their adversaries by calling them Nazis or Fascists.

We will prove that one who is truly against Communism, must also be against Fascism, for the two ideologies are similar. Likewise, one who is truly against Fascism must also be against Communism for the same reason.

Someone could object that if this is the case, then Communists should call themselves Fascists. We answer that, in the rigor of logic, they should be synonimous for Fascism and Communism are similar, not only in their secondary aspects but also in their essential aspects. This is precisely what we are going to prove.

I. Philosophical Concepts

We have lined up statements from the principal mentors of Nazi-Fascism with statements from the most important ideologies of Communism. The resemblance between the two is patent.

NAZI-FACISM COMMUNISM
They obey common ideologists:
Marx and Hegel.
"The National Socialist movement has one single master: Marxism." - Goebbels1

"Mussolini likes to affirm that Marx is his spiritual father."2

Croce and Gentile, the ideological mentors of Fascism, resort to Hegel in the elaboration of Fascism.
"We are Communists, disciples of Marx and Engels."7

The Marxist affiliation of Communism is evident.

Marx for his part drew his dialetics from Hegel.


Both have an atheistic doctrine. "We want no other god than Germany" - Hitler3 "God is the personal enemy of the Communist society." - Lenin8
Both have a dialectical doctrine. "Struggle is the origin of all things, because life is full of contrast." - Mussolini4 "The law of contradiction, which is inherent to all things, to all phenomena, is the fundamental law of dialectical materialism." - Mao Tse Tung9
Both have an evolutionist doctrine. "We know that there is no definitive state, that there is nothing durable, that there is only a perpetual revolution." - Rauschning5 "There is nothing definitive, absolute, or sacred. The only thing that exists is the uninterrupted process of the future and the transitory." - Engels
Both have a revolutionary doctrine. "The program of the conception of the world has the sense of a declaration of war against the order of things which exist, against the state of things which exist, in a word, against the structure of the world which presently exists." - Hitler6 "Everything which exists must die." - Engels.

1Goebbels, Kampf um Berlin, page 19.
2Mussolini y el Fascismo," in Que sais je. (in Spanish), page 31.
3Bayrischer Kurier, May 25, 1923.
4Mussolini, "Le Fascisme," in Discursos al Politeoma Rosetti de Trieste, 9-20-1920, Ed. Denoel et Steele, Paris.
5Rauschning, Hitler Said to Me, 1937.
6Hitler, Mein Kampf, page 508.
7Thorez, M., Discurso del 28 de Octubre de 1937. Ed. Comite Popular de Propaganda.
8Ousset, J., "Carta a Gorki (dicembre de 1913)" in Le Marxisme-Leninisme, page 132.
9Mao, On the Question of Contradictions.

II. Concept of the State

NAZI-FACISM COMMUNISM
Both are heralds of a totalitarian state.
"Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."- Mussolini1

"The State is the continent and the race is the content." - Hitler2
"The dictatorship of the proletariat (the name given to the State) is domination unrestrained by the law and based upon force." - Lenin3

The State absorbs the family and property.


1Mussolini, "A la Camara de Diputados 9 de diciembre de 1928" in Discursos de 1928, page 333.
2Hitler, Mein Kampf.
3Lenin, State and Revolution.

III. Economic Concept

NAZI-FACISM COMMUNISM
They promote socialism. "We are socialists and mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system."1 "It is evident that Communism fights for the destruction of the capitalist system and the implantation of socialism."
They promote the abolition of property. "Socialism is the concept of the world of the future which can only be realized in the socialist state." -Goebbels2 "We can sum up our doctrine in this proposition: the abolition of private property." - Marx and Engels3


Where the right of private property does not exist there is no justice. Socialism distributes only misery.

1Der Nationalsozialismos, die Weltanschauung des 20. Jahrhunderts.

* Capitalism in as much as it is based on private property and free enterprise is not in itself condemnable. But its abuses are condemnable.

2 Goebbels, Die Zweite Revolution.
3 Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto.

IV. Methods of Action

A cult of violence. Nazi-Fascism and Communism both promote a veritable cult of violence; the brutality of their methods has become legendary. It could not be any other way: Nietzche (for the Nazi-Fascists) and Lenin or Mao (for the Communists) did not going to allow themselves to be held back by the "bourgeois prejudices" of a morality. Accordingly, with neither God nor law, they were prepared to sacrifice all things in the interests of their nefarious ends.

V. Concept of the Family

NAZI-FACISM COMMUNISM
Children are torn away from their families. "The children are educated in common by experienced educators in special nurseries. The youths from the time they reach six years of age, in boarding school for boys. The "reproductive" mother lives supported by the "House of Maternity." - Dr. Dupre "They reproach us with wanting to abolish the exploitation of children by their parents. Well then, we confess that crime." - Marx and Engels3
The dissolution of the family. "Monogamy for the whole of life is anti-natural, and a degradation of the species." - Dr. Bergman2 "Positive propositions in view of a future society...
Abolition of the family, of private gains..." - Marx and Engels4


Without the family there is no morality.

1Weltanschaung and Rassenzuechtung.
2Erkenntnisgeist and Muttergeist.
3Marx and Engels, Communist Manifesto.
4Marx and Engels, Socialismos utopicos y Socialismo Screhtifico. Ed. Socialis, Paris.

The comparative tables above show clearly the similarities between Communism and Nazi-Fascism. Both systems, being inspired by the aberrations of Karl Marx, have as a consequence an erroneous dialectical and evolutionist interpretation of society. Their doctrines are fundamentally similar, having atheism and materialism as their basic postulates. From these postulates, they deduce a socialist socio-politico-economic system, which, annihilating all of the organisms that should exist in a society (the family, unions, etc.); raises upon its ruins the omnipotence of the state, in one case called the dictatorship of the proletariat and in the other, the Third Reich. Everything is sacrificed to that Moloch; individual rights disappear; parents are even deprived of their rights over their children.

The work of the Nazis; in tearing father from son, and mother from daughter, is also done by Communism. It is the same abomination which presents itself under different labels, two faces of the same coin. The reasons that lead a person to oppose Communism must lead him also to oppose Nazi-Fascism, because everything that is abhorrent and anti-natural in the one is to be found in the other. They are sons of the same father, Marx, and have the same end: the destruction of civilization.

Someone could object by pointing to the conflicts in word and deed that occurred between the Nazi-Fascists and the Communists. Such an objection is easily answered by analyzing the nature of these disputes, which have very little about them of real conflict and very much that is operetta. Even a partially informed observer perceives the deceit, for there has been no struggle between Nazi-Fascism and Communism, but between Nazi-Fascists and Communists who engage in fights and disputes that do not challenge their common doctrines and methods. These "conflicts" have been skirmishes between "brothers," bypassing that which is most essential - their doctrine. They even provide mutual support for each other, since in that uncautious person, believing in a real opposition in the two ideologies, joins one in order to combat the other. Thus, credulous persons who were crystallized against the aberrations of the Nazis joined the Communists, and others crystallized against the Communists joined the Nazis. Accordingly, it can be seen that Communism and Nazi-Fascism are two sides of the same pincer, two jaws of the same beast.

But if anyone doubts that the Communists are being cynical who to call their true adversaries "Fascists," we ask them to meditate on this sentence of the masters of Communism: "For the revolutionary, everything that contributes to the rebellion is moral and everything that impedes it is immoral and criminal." (Marx and Engels, Obras, Berlin, 1962, Vol. 28, page 427).

How to Avoid Falling into the Traps of Communism

1. Have a clear knowledge of the Communist doctrine, its ends and methods, in order to able to combat it with efficiency, without falling into a false anti-communism, such as Nazism or Fascism.

2. In order for the action to be complete, know the principles and final ends of anti-communism, because no one fights for an ideal that he does not know.

3. We ought to have a love for the cause that gives us heart, abnegation, and willingness to sacrifice for the combat, because without this, however true our ideals may be, we shall never conquer.

James
26th October 2002, 00:41
hmm, pitty you don't stick around to defend what you post (ahem paste)...but intersting arguments here...

its like the horse shoe thing i suppose. Something that many are afriad to realize.

new democracy
26th October 2002, 00:44
i see you have returned to the copy and paste tactic. not that your own words were better.

James
26th October 2002, 00:46
address what has been said. not who has said it.

James
26th October 2002, 00:49
Answering the above question is extremely important, since it is a Communist tactic to immobilize their adversaries by calling them Nazis or Fascists.


I agree.

in fact, most of tht i agree with. Whats the source?

MaxB
26th October 2002, 00:55
The source:
http://www.tfp.org/what_we_think/fascism.html

James
26th October 2002, 00:58
cheers, so you do read the replies....

i'm interested in getting to know you more...feel free to pm me ifyou don't want to share your ideas with everyone.

James
26th October 2002, 01:04
okay


The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (TFP) was born of a group of Catholic Americans concerned about the multiple crises shaking every aspect of American life. Founded in 1974, the American TFP was formed to resist, in the realm of ideas, the liberal, socialist and communist trends of the times and proudly affirm the positive values of tradition, family and property.

Central to the TFP mission is the idea that the various crises threatening American society and the Church cannot be seen as separate and disjointed. Rather they originate from a single cause.

hmmm


Human action normally takes place in accordance with a view of the universe, oneself, and life. For this reason, religious and philosophical doctrines dominate history and are its most dynamic components.

That is why it is important to develop the Catholic principles on which we stand. Effective Catholic action can only be based on a Catholic view of history. We believe that both the Old and New Law contain not only the precepts by which man models the soul to become like unto God, but also the fundamental norms of human conduct in conformity with the natural order of things.

Thus, while man advances in the life of grace by the practice of virtue, he elaborates a culture-a political, social, and economic order-in entire consonance with the basic and perennial principles of Natural Law. This is what is called Christian civilization.


again...hmm

i advise you all take a look..

peaccenicked
26th October 2002, 01:04
What puerile rubbish! Come back when you know what you are talking about.

LeninCCCP
26th October 2002, 03:13
dont pay attention to MaxB he is an iddiot i think he cut and pasted this before

feartheleader
26th October 2002, 06:01
I can't believe that this person is serious? Most of the facist quotes on socialism are just statements along with any "communist" talk on facism. The quotes that are supposed to be a link to facism and communism don't support the philosophy of the systems. They're just statements.

NAZI-FACISM COMMUNISM
Both are heralds of a totalitarian state.
"Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."- Mussolini1

"The State is the continent and the race is the content." - Hitler2
"The dictatorship of the proletariat (the name given to the State) is domination unrestrained by the law and based upon force." - Lenin3

The State absorbs the family and property

Smoking Frog II
26th October 2002, 20:40
You theory is very interesting sir.

You see, in corrupt cappie schools you are taught one main thing:

CAPITALISM = GOOD.
COMMUNISM = BAD.

sO HOW COME WE ARE ALSO TOLD THAT COMMUNISM IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSTE OF FASCISM?????

James
26th October 2002, 21:04
i don't think he is an "iddiot" actually...