che-lives - its all bull shit

[STALINSOLDIERS]

i cant believe how this site still is running, its live with nothing but bull shit talk, and malte authoric pot smoking site....i belive he also takes ectasy, bring this site down its old and its garbage.,..

[anti machine]

yet you stick around.......

[Libertarius]

lmao, why do you care so much? Just leave it alone moron. We happen to like it, so fuck off shitstain.

[Hayduke]

Ahh stalinsoldiers,

The guy that didnt know why he chosen his name, when he first came on this site.

After the destructing replys to his dumb messages.
( be sure to check his osama allie thread )
became a stalinist cause no one supported him.

Why are you still on this board A-Politic ?
You hvae no more buisness here, and why should a *cough* freedomfighter be here anyway, weren't you fighting for the cause with guns ?

HYPOCRITE

[munkey soup]

Yeah SS, go back to your army of 100 strong.

[BOZG]

Aww poor little SS is banned. Awww. Stop whining.

[James]

:*(

[Wenty]

has anyone considered he might be a very ignorant child out to annoy everyone because he thinks its funny.

[MaxB]

They shouldn't take this site down. It gives me a chance to read and see how stupid Leftists are. Boy, I didn't know there were people that dense.

[Frosty]

Quote: from MaxB on 1:34 am on Oct. 26, 2002
They shouldn't take this site down. It gives me a chance to read and see how stupid Leftists are. Boy, I didn't know there were people that dense.

Yes, stay here, you are actually funny MaxB.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from MaxB on 12:34 am on Oct. 26, 2002
They shouldn't take this site down. It gives me a chance to read and see how stupid Leftists are. Boy, I didn't know there were people that dense.



we are stupid?

You don't have an original thought in that tiny brain of yours


We, actually come up with our own opinions and theories

you on the other hand paste stuff that other people think up.

You steal other people's ideas

It's ok to quote them, but you never do that

you just post thier beliefs and thats the end of it for you

for the last god damn time


[B] STOP DICK RIDING OTHER PEOPLE'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS [B]

[new democracy]

Quote: from Comrade Wenty on 12:02 am on Oct. 26, 2002
has anyone considered he might be a very ignorant child out to annoy everyone because he thinks its funny.

don't think so. punkrawker said he knew him in another thread.

[Mazdak]

Come on people, SS isnt that bad, we need some comic relief. Maybe he might be knowing more than he lets on(or maybe not).

[American Kid]

Stalinsoldiers is a total, total FRAUD.

I've written this before.........and I'm friends with someone here who knows him in real life..........and this friend of mine has reassured me that he:

a) never means a single word he writes

B) just does it to piss people off

So in a way Comrade Wenty is half-right. Absolutely.

Stalinsoldiers is a total, total fraud. Don't get too bent out of shape over anything he posts. It's all b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t.

-AK

(and I heard you're a big geek, too. "boy" )

[new democracy]

if this how Stalinsoldiers is acting in the internet, how does he act in real life?

[Hayduke]

Damn,

I actually want to thank you for this destructing reply AK.

..Thanks

[BOZG]

Why do we need another court jester Mazdak when we have you?

[Hayduke]

Quote: from BornOfZapatasGuns on 5:24 pm on Oct. 26, 2002
Why do we need another court jester Mazdak when we have you?

Court Jesters make jokes, dont talk about murders all days.

Court Jesters make you laugh and dont make you angry.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from D DAY on 12:34 pm on Oct. 26, 2002

Quote: from BornOfZapatasGuns on 5:24 pm on Oct. 26, 2002
Why do we need another court jester Mazdak when we have you?

Court Jesters make jokes, dont talk about murders all days.

Court Jesters make you laugh and dont make you angry.



mazdak's beliefs make me laugh...but not as much as stalin soldiers....does that count

[Mazdak]

Your stupidity about prostitution and drugs make me laugh. Legalization.. what's next polgamy?? And on top of it this site is almost filled to the brink with pacificists....

How the hell do you expect to do anything when you have the equivalent of Quakers on your side?? What are you going to do, beg for the capitalists to give you power??

"Death solves everything, no man no problem." a quote i base everything around.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 4:52 pm on Oct. 26, 2002
Your stupidity about prostitution and drugs make me laugh. Legalization.. what's next polgamy?? And on top of it this site is almost filled to the brink with pacificists....

How the hell do you expect to do anything when you have the equivalent of Quakers on your side?? What are you going to do, beg for the capitalists to give you power??

"Death solves everything, no man no problem." a quote i base everything around.



"No man, no revolution, no society, no humanity"

But I can tell you this mazdak, I'm willing to bet more people would agree with me than you.

Getthis through your head, people don't want to die, they don't want to be shot because they don't agree with someone

Poeple like living

Also we need to educate people, not kill them

[canikickit]

But I can tell you this mazdak, I'm willing to bet more people would agree with me than you.

More people would agree with a dead fish than with Mazdak. I wouldn't take that bet...

[Mazdak]

Lardlad, you can't get it through your thick skull can you?

when did i say that everyone would die? And i never said everyone who doesnt blindly support my ideas dies either. I dont want to make the human race go extinct! Pointless murder is useless. I said execution, deportations, or labor camp sentences for right wingers, and religious people(fundamentalists/extremists). No purpose to have them.

Anything counterrproductive to the state should be eliminated, however things that don't affect the state(neutral IE) wouldnt matter. Liberalism would be to some extent tolerated. Force is necessary.

And canikickit, it isnt how many agree with me, it is the quality of those who agree with me.

[Panamarisen]

In too many senses Mazdak is just a child. He ain´t got experience at all, he just has red a couple of books on Politics, so he just thinks he knows what´s everything about.
The point is that Mazdak and people like him make us laugh today, but as a grown up, if he hasn´t changed his mentallity for better, he could become a dangerous human being if he ever gets power enough. It´s something similar to today´s Nazi-oriented adolescents.

PS: Mazdak, it´s not an insult I´m trying to express against you. It´s just that I think you don´t understand yet the full meaning of a way of doing "politics" as someone like Stalin did. Socialism is a too clever and beautiful system as to be misunderstood and spoiled by psychos like Stalin.

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[LOIC]

Wise words from Panamarisen.

"Death solves everything", it sounds like a marylin manson's bullshit.

Mazdak, you don't know what death is. You're just looking for attention.
Pathetic!

[guerrillaradio]

Well, if what Punkrawker and AK claim is true, then why the fuck is SS still here?? He's a waste of fucking space, gets on my tits for sure...does he get off on insults or something?? Cos in some ways that's sadder than holding those moronic beliefs.

Once someone invited him into an AIM chat with me and he just the same, insulting as always.

[Mazdak]

More bullshit Panamarisen. And loic to. Marylin manson? I hate that bastard.

i am sorry Panamarisen but at least i am not whining about pacifism and how the death penalty is wrong and doing nothing. You refuse to see how the state is more important than the individual. It is disgusting that i still have to prove my maturity to idiots like you. If the system worked for Vlad the Impaler and worked for Stalin(WHICH IT DID) then perhaps it has its good points. Just like that thread on hitler that "mysteriously" disappeared. It was my proof that i try to debate while liberal/anti stalinists simply spout bullshit. You all automatically heard the name hitler and your small minds immediatly went into "kill" mode. You don't know how to see things objectively.

My thoughts will not change. This i can assure you. I will not change my fews because a few stoners think they are immature. lay of the crack before trying to criticize me pals.

[canikickit]

It just gets funnier and funnier.
I don't think that thread "mysteriously" dissapeared, I think it probably dissapeared because the basis for it was racism, and Malte doesn't appreciate racism. Also pro-Hitler shit is banned in Germany so Malte could possibly have gotten in trouble for having it on his website (I'm not sure about that, but it makes sense).

Anyway, I'm perfectly willing to admit that I said "gimme a hug" on that thread, and if you're afraid I would engage in a bit of revisionism, perhaps that will quell your fears. It was humour. I thought it was funny, and I had already addressed what you were saying in the post I was responding to, so I saw little point in repeating it.

Speaking of revisionism and mysterious dissapearances, aren't you a fan of Stalin.....many's the person who found themselves with a one way ticket to Sibera for little or no affront to your beloved state. Sure, some of them were probably terrible people, but not all of them were. Are you to be bunged in with the right-wingers such as Stormin Norman, and say "its better that ten innocent men die, than one go free"? Do you agree with that statement?
As to Vlad's and Stalin's systems "working", what was the price? Does Bush's system not work also? Does it? Yes. Of course it works, not the way most people here want it too. The Stalinist and Authoritarian's constant mantra is "all the people from the time say it was the best period of their history", well big swing. What were the alternatives? The czar, which was garbage, or the aftermath of Stalin, which was also garbage. Just because it was better than those two those not make it good.



My thoughts will not change. This i can assure you. I will not change my fews because a few stoners think they are immature. lay of the crack before trying to criticize me pals.

How many people on this site actually support you? Boadecia and.......? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
So everyone other than you and Boadecia are stoners?
And you say you will never change your views? Definitly not with that attitude.
I knew you were close minded, but to see you admit it so blatantly is shocking to say the least.

[Sovietsky Souyuz]

I'll probably be hated for this, but hey,

Mazdak doesn't obviously want to randomly kill people , he wants to weed out the bad things in a socialist society, and either make them usefull (labor camps, work programs etc...), or dispose of them (executions), maybe that was a little harsh, but if in his world it works....................

[Guest]

This CI...

I respect the stalinists more than the other hippie-commies here.

At least the Stalinists concede what true communism is, and aren't afraid to go head to head with capitalist America in a fullscale engagement to sort out the big boys (of course, they still lose, but I appreciate their hawkishness).

[canikickit]

At least the Stalinists concede what true communism is, and aren't afraid to go head to head with capitalist America in a fullscale engagement to sort out the big boys (of course, they still lose, but I appreciate their hawkishness).

Yeah, you ripped that line off of Norm. It was just as stupid when he said it. You are missing the point of reality.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 5:40 pm on Oct. 26, 2002
Lardlad, you can't get it through your thick skull can you?

when did i say that everyone would die? And i never said everyone who doesnt blindly support my ideas dies either. I dont want to make the human race go extinct! Pointless murder is useless. I said execution, deportations, or labor camp sentences for right wingers, and religious people(fundamentalists/extremists). No purpose to have them.

Anything counterrproductive to the state should be eliminated, however things that don't affect the state(neutral IE) wouldnt matter. Liberalism would be to some extent tolerated. Force is necessary.

And canikickit, it isnt how many agree with me, it is the quality of those who agree with me.



when will you get it through your thickhead that your ideas are bullshit

let people believe what they believe

try and change their beliefs

but don't punish them for their ideas

a real man can win a battle with out throwing a punch

or are you to scared that you don't have the intalect to win a debate?



At least the Stalinists concede what true communism is, and aren't afraid to go head to head with capitalist America in a fullscale engagement to sort out the big boys (of course, they still lose, but I appreciate their hawkishness).

Just like a fuckin Yankee Pig...fight with the big boys

your answer to everything is violence

your just as bad as him, you Cappie pigs think people are expendable

In fact your worse than stalinists

while both of you don't value human life

atleast the stalinists are in the ball park of what is right

you guys aren't even in the same county

[Panamarisen]

Quote: from Mazdak on 8:43 pm on Oct. 26, 2002
More bullshit Panamarisen. And loic to. Marylin manson? I hate that bastard.

i am sorry Panamarisen but at least i am not whining about pacifism and how the death penalty is wrong and doing nothing. You refuse to see how the state is more important than the individual. It is disgusting that i still have to prove my maturity to idiots like you. If the system worked for Vlad the Impaler and worked for Stalin(WHICH IT DID) then perhaps it has its good points. Just like that thread on hitler that "mysteriously" disappeared. It was my proof that i try to debate while liberal/anti stalinists simply spout bullshit. You all automatically heard the name hitler and your small minds immediatly went into "kill" mode. You don't know how to see things objectively.

My thoughts will not change. This i can assure you. I will not change my fews because a few stoners think they are immature. lay of the crack before trying to criticize me pals.


OK, smartie, first seeing that obviously you ain´t got the minimal education, and that you are not able to see HOW immature you are:
The State is NOT more important than individuals. Individuals ARE the State, and the reason of being of the State as an institution is to assure that the whole population cover their needs.
The system actually worked for Vlad and Stalin, as you said, but not for their victims (millions in the Stalin case).

Someone that "thinks" as you do should read Soljenitsyn.
And read Che Guevara. If you had already, then you haven´t understood a word. Read him again, and learn to be not only a real socialist, but also a human being.

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[Mazdak]

Quote: from Panamarisen

OK, smartie, first seeing that obviously you ain´t got the minimal education


Someone that "thinks" as you do should read Soljenitsyn.
And read Che Guevara. If you had already, then you haven´t understood a word. Read him again, and learn to be not only a real socialist, but also a human being.


So i "aint got no education" eh? Maybe you should LEARN PROPER ENGLISG FIRST before trying to criticize my education.

So panamarisen, you would rather see that one or two dissidents in the state are pleased even it is a risk to the well being of the rest of the state?

Soljenitsyn... lol, you want me to read about true socialism froma a NAZI sympathiser and a capitalist. Brilliant.

Lardlad-
The capitalists think communism is bullshit and most apoliticals i know think your ideas would be bullshit. They think communism is bulllshit. Why should that stop a socialist state from being formed.

And once again, the individual isnt more important than the state because the individual is usually too ignorant to know what's best for himself let along the well being of alll the citizens of the state as well.

Iwill write more on this later.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 2:49 pm on Oct. 27, 2002

Quote: from Panamarisen

OK, smartie, first seeing that obviously you ain´t got the minimal education


Someone that "thinks" as you do should read Soljenitsyn.
And read Che Guevara. If you had already, then you haven´t understood a word. Read him again, and learn to be not only a real socialist, but also a human being.


So i "aint got no education" eh? Maybe you should LEARN PROPER ENGLISG FIRST before trying to criticize my education.

So panamarisen, you would rather see that one or two dissidents in the state are pleased even it is a risk to the well being of the rest of the state?

Soljenitsyn... lol, you want me to read about true socialism froma a NAZI sympathiser and a capitalist. Brilliant.

Lardlad-
The capitalists think communism is bullshit and most apoliticals i know think your ideas would be bullshit. They think communism is bulllshit. Why should that stop a socialist state from being formed.

And once again, the individual isnt more important than the state because the individual is usually too ignorant to know what's best for himself let along the well being of alll the citizens of the state as well.

Iwill write more on this later.


Come on man what the hell is wrong with you?

You think you know what is best for everyone?

Theres a 13 year old boy in Minnesota named Jim Wilkins tell me what is best for him...evne though you don't know him and have never met him

[new democracy]

Lardlad95 and Mazdak, i hate to say it but, you are of topic:biggrin:!!!!!!

[Panamarisen]

Of course I may learn a little more "ENGLISG" first (as you said). Or French. Or Italian. BTW, have you got the slightiest idea of Spanish? Could you be in a Spanish Forum? Don´t make me laugh...!

Your idea of the well being of the rest of the State would actually scare me. Your idea of "educating" or "reeducating" the people -as you usually write about- by making people live in concentration camps, obviously deserves no comment.
Humans are not on Earth to be "productive" (the more, the better) as you think... And it should not be an individual like you the kind of person who would teach the rest of the people what to do.

You should try to open your mind, try to read different kinds of books (not only about God Stalin), try to experience things by yourself (it requires YEARS)...
You act like a child playing with fire. Watch out: you may get burned at the end.

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[Mazdak]

hehe, hoping you would catch that Englisg thing.... I never said EVERYONE would be working in concentration camps. Have you read anythign i said? Labor camps aren't concentration camps. The object of a labor camp is punishment, the object of a concentration camp is death to whoever the prisoners are.

My spanish no es muy bueno, i'll admit.

Panamarisen, your idea of a good world would be impossible, mine is realistic. Humans are weak minded and force to some extent is needed to make changes to society. How can you continue to argue that the well being of one or two individuals is more important than the well being of the entire state which is made up of millions?

[Panamarisen]

Humans are not weak-minded. There are weak-minded humans, of course, but that´s quite different.
I´m always trying to say that the well-being of the whole population is the important point. But to achieve it not every kind of method is ethically valid. For instance, nor concentration camps, nor labour camps (in too many cases basically the same thing) will really help, in any way, those imprisoned there or the rest of the state... It would only generate suffering, and feelings of hate, resentment or revenge.
Instead of forcing people to do things, we must educate them first. Che knew it so well that any time, before, during and after the Cuban Revolution, and also at foreign wars, he tried to make people understand why Revolutions are necessary sometimes, why we all need to learn solidarity, etc., besides teaching them directly about a variety of topics.
I mean, you may look as an idealist and actually work with what you have at hand, at the same time.

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[Mazdak]

Who said i was anti education?

First point-
What is the purpose of the current prison system? All prisoners do is waste taxpayers money to keep the prisoners alive when they are doing nothing. Why should my tax money go to keep some child murderer alive??

That is why you make them pay for themselves in labor camps. I am not saying starve them to death, simply make them do hard labor thus keeping them to some extent productive.

And worse yet, why should we even keep threats to society( murderes and such monsters) alive?? They aren't worth the lace on my shoes.

second point
Humans in general are greedy and ignorant. Of course education/reeducation is important. i never said it wasn't. But you only get one chance. Why should the state waste its time with a person who was reeducated but continues whatever activity it was that is illlegal?
And education is important, but you can't the first day the state is created educate everyone. That is obvious. It takes time. The state has to first sustain itself during the first few months.

[Panamarisen]

I agree with you when you say prison system today is a disaster. And of course murderers and other "monsters" shouldn´t be free walking around. But where you put those people, what you do with them, how you treat them..., that´s what´s important. Prisoners got their rights too, as you know, and it´s good things to be like that. Maybe some of those "monsters" apparently don´t deserve to be alive, but it shouldn´t be the State the one that orders their death. That´s legal assasination, and the State in such cases is not better than the murderer, but at the contrary, the State then lowers down to the level of the "monster" it anihilates.
Prevention through culture and education, given the previous conditions of welfare to the people, is maybe the only way today...

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[Mazdak]

How can you actually say the the State executing a child murderer/cannibal/serial killer is worse than having him live. Why should i have to share the same air with that kind of trash. Too much trash in the world as it is.


Those are extreme circumstances but if you actually believe that the state is wrong for executing that person, than this debate has to halt... it is impossible for either of us to prove our case from there, as it is an opinion

[Lardlad95]

Mazdak...one question..how can you be reeducated yet only have one chance

your first chance would be education, reeducation is a second chance


I agree that prisoners should be productive

but I mean That would inspire some prison revolt type shit

I mean they are basically slaves

They should only work to pay their own way in the prison systeem

if they profit the government then they are slaves...slavery is wrong..period

I mean think, you are a slave, you can't go where you want, plus you are working for teh man that enslaved you?

Hatian revolution muthafucka

Thos prisoners are gonna whop some ass

[Panamarisen]

Mazdak, Lardlard 95 is right with what he´s saying, and besides you are talking about extreme circumstances, as you said, being the point the millions of people under Stalin that had to go through labour camps (which you know were really cruel). They were not millions of Hannibals, but people that stalinism considered not good for the System...

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[new democracy]

here is an irony: stalin killed 20 million people and he dares to call his enemies "enemies of the people".

[Mazdak]

Shut up ND and say something that hasn't been said a 100 times. the correct number is .5 -1.5 million. 20 million is a gross overestimate.

Prison revolt? LOL with what? a few outnumbered prisoners who are chained to each other pose a threat to a heavily defended facility with guards with high power weapons? Good luck with your prison revolt pals.

The reducation is the education AFTER the revolution. The original education obviously failed them as they are where they are lardlad. I do not consider it an education in that case. So the reeducation is the first in my mind.

And the collective is more important than a few enemies of the people. Why should i care about the lives of criminals? They are garbage and they are lucky they aren't dead. Labor camps are as lenient i would get.

[new democracy]

Quote: from Mazdak on 9:50 pm on Oct. 28, 2002
Shut up ND and say something that hasn't been said a 100 times. the correct number is .5 -1.5 million. 20 million is a gross overestimate.
you idiot!!!!! the fact that he killed 5 million make him bad!!!!!! you just admitted he is enemy of the people!!!! i think i killed stalinism in "stalin as a rock star" thread.

[Mazdak]

Quote: from new democracy on 10:22 pm on Oct. 28, 2002

Quote: from Mazdak on 9:50 pm on Oct. 28, 2002
Shut up ND and say something that hasn't been said a 100 times. the correct number is .5 -1.5 million. 20 million is a gross overestimate.

you idiot!!!!! the fact that he killed 5 million make him bad!!!!!! you just admitted he is enemy of the people!!!! i think i killed stalinism in "stalin as a rock star" thread.

You keep thinking that ND. i said .5, that means half a million, my simple minded friend.

Your friend redstar can't debate. i gave him proof that backed up my claims and he suddenly said "i cannot debat ethis anymore." He made it some sort of vow. The reason is .. he saw i WAS RIGHT.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 9:50 pm on Oct. 28, 2002
Shut up ND and say something that hasn't been said a 100 times. the correct number is .5 -1.5 million. 20 million is a gross overestimate.

Prison revolt? LOL with what? a few outnumbered prisoners who are chained to each other pose a threat to a heavily defended facility with guards with high power weapons? Good luck with your prison revolt pals.

The reducation is the education AFTER the revolution. The original education obviously failed them as they are where they are lardlad. I do not consider it an education in that case. So the reeducation is the first in my mind.

And the collective is more important than a few enemies of the people. Why should i care about the lives of criminals? They are garbage and they are lucky they aren't dead. Labor camps are as lenient i would get.



That makes a lot of senese...I threw a peice of trash on the ground and I should be your slave?


Slaves have done more with less

eventually people will stop accepting the fact that you have made slaves out of them

and you aren't just doing it to prisoners

you would have society as a whole as your slaves

Hatian Revolution...they took over the entire island

not to mention various other slave revolts in the south, they may have been defeated but for a long time they kicked some ass


but then again you don't care aslong as it isn't you thats being killed

[Guest]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 3:31 am on Oct. 29, 2002

Quote: from Mazdak on 9:50 pm on Oct. 28, 2002
Shut up ND and say something that hasn't been said a 100 times. the correct number is .5 -1.5 million. 20 million is a gross overestimate.

Prison revolt? LOL with what? a few outnumbered prisoners who are chained to each other pose a threat to a heavily defended facility with guards with high power weapons? Good luck with your prison revolt pals.

The reducation is the education AFTER the revolution. The original education obviously failed them as they are where they are lardlad. I do not consider it an education in that case. So the reeducation is the first in my mind.

And the collective is more important than a few enemies of the people. Why should i care about the lives of criminals? They are garbage and they are lucky they aren't dead. Labor camps are as lenient i would get.



That makes a lot of senese...I threw a peice of trash on the ground and I should be your slave?


Slaves have done more with less

eventually people will stop accepting the fact that you have made slaves out of them

and you aren't just doing it to prisoners

you would have society as a whole as your slaves

Hatian Revolution...they took over the entire island

not to mention various other slave revolts in the south, they may have been defeated but for a long time they kicked some ass


but then again you don't care aslong as it isn't you thats being killed

You're quoting wrongly, I don't think mazdak would support that kind of punishment for littering.

Slavery is part of communism, in communism you have no individuality, or you shouldn't anyway, just like a slave shouldn't. Because everyone is working together and recieving the rewards of it, they are all slaves for themselves, even slaves in capitalist nations got the food they planted and grew. Only instead of an individual being the master, the STATE is the master.

In communism, you are a slave to the state, ants are slaves to the queen, but she does not direct the colony, so basically ants are slaves to the state, and ants eat food that they ALL gather, everyone has a purpose, and everyone lives if they do their job.

And about the slave revolts in the south, if you think 'kicking ass' is mostly murdering any white you came across, sure, thats pretty cool, if you're into racial geonicide, not to justify the slavers but comments like that are ignorant.

[Lardlad95]

Ignorant?

Oh and how about white people enslaving any black they came across?

bounty hunters shooting runaway slaves

black women being raped for no good reason

Blacks being beaten for trying to break free when their families were sold away

Blacks being beaten and killed for wanting freedom

THose raciss got what they fuckin deserved

turnabout is fair play

what goes around comes around

and so on

[Panamarisen]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 11:29 am on Oct. 29, 2002
Ignorant?

Oh and how about white people enslaving any black they came across?

bounty hunters shooting runaway slaves

black women being raped for no good reason

Blacks being beaten for trying to break free when their families were sold away

Blacks being beaten and killed for wanting freedom

THose raciss got what they fuckin deserved

turnabout is fair play

what goes around comes around

and so on



You said it, Lardlad!!! ;)

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[Mazdak]

Lardlad, not once did i even use the word slave, so stop bringing this slavery shit up. A criminal forfeits his rights so he gets sent to a labor camp to do hard labor. Sure he is allowed to live, but not much else. Otherwise, where is the punishment.

littering and offenses of this nature would be dealt with far more harshly, but i never once mentioned slavery. Putting words into my mouth because you can't actually prove my statement wrong. What a great way to debate.

[Panamarisen]

"Slavery"... What´s it all about? If labour camps PRISONERS weren´t slaves, what were they?
And not only that: we all have to remember that MUST of them were NOT criminals AT ALL! They just had the "peculiar disease" to think by their own!!!

"Punishment"...! It makes me remember old Franco´s women, here in Spain, really AFRAID of "God", always dressed in black and frightened about sex, short skirts, kisses, thinking by one´s self, etc.,... Pathetic!

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[Panamarisen]

Quote: from Panamarisen on 9:49 pm on Oct. 29, 2002
"Slavery"... What´s it all about? If labour camps PRISONERS weren´t slaves, what were they?
And not only that: we all have to remember that MUST of them were NOT criminals AT ALL! They just had the "peculiar disease" to think by their own!!!

"Punishment"...! It makes me remember old Franco´s women, here in Spain, really AFRAID of "God", always dressed in black and frightened about sex, short skirts, kisses, thinking by one´s self, etc.,... Pathetic!

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!


It´s not MUST of them, but MOST of them

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 9:17 pm on Oct. 29, 2002
Lardlad, not once did i even use the word slave, so stop bringing this slavery shit up. A criminal forfeits his rights so he gets sent to a labor camp to do hard labor. Sure he is allowed to live, but not much else. Otherwise, where is the punishment.

littering and offenses of this nature would be dealt with far more harshly, but i never once mentioned slavery. Putting words into my mouth because you can't actually prove my statement wrong. What a great way to debate.



but you never said who this labor goes onto benefiet

if the prisoner works to keep his own self alive then that is one thing

of course 5 gallons of water a week and a small sack of rice doesn't require tha much labor

ANd we are talking hard labor

Digging trenches, building and repairing roads, building buildings, farming(ploughing, planting), cutting wood, hauling wood, working in quarries, mining

Doing that much work will go on more than enough to buy the water and rice needed to survive...even less if you replace rice with bread...stale bread at that.

So I think it's safe to say that they will be doing more than to support their own prison sentence

Their labor will benefiet your "STATE"

they will be laboring for your state and only fed enough to keep them working

they wont recieve payments

they will be forced to work

and punished if they don't

they have no freedom

and their labor will benefiet others

sounds alot like SLAVERY to me

and the benefiet other's part sounds alot like capitalism

so you do advocate slavery...simple as that

[new democracy]

Lardlad95, do what redstar did and give up!!!! it is useless to argue with mazdak.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from new democracy on 11:30 pm on Oct. 29, 2002
Lardlad95, do what redstar did and give up!!!! it is useless to argue with mazdak.

Mazdak's my boy but to date I have never given up on an arguement where my opponent advocates slavery

[Mazdak]

First off, ND, you were supposed to have left this forum. Why are you still here? Damned twat.

Pana. and lardlad..- They are working for a small wage and for the state. While working to benefit the state, they are given small wages and enough to survive on. They are PRISONERS. Therefore, they have commited a crime. By murdering, raping, stealing or dealing drugs and pimping, you are forfitting your freedoms. That simple. You don't deserve freedoms. What you are saying is that the person should be allowed to live normally and not have ANY freedoms taken away. You are asking for chaos.

and lardlad, who else would the work benefit? The idea is to keep them productive.

Forced to work.. of course not. They weren't forced to rape or sell drugs to someone. That was their choice. So its their choice to be in the camp.

i will add more later.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 12:00 am on Oct. 30, 2002
First off, ND, you were supposed to have left this forum. Why are you still here? Damned twat.

Pana. and lardlad..- They are working for a small wage and for the state. While working to benefit the state, they are given small wages and enough to survive on. They are PRISONERS. Therefore, they have commited a crime. By murdering, raping, stealing or dealing drugs and pimping, you are forfitting your freedoms. That simple. You don't deserve freedoms. What you are saying is that the person should be allowed to live normally and not have ANY freedoms taken away. You are asking for chaos.

and lardlad, who else would the work benefit? The idea is to keep them productive.

Forced to work.. of course not. They weren't forced to rape or sell drugs to someone. That was their choice. So its their choice to be in the camp.

i will add more later.


And it was Kunta Kinte's choice to go out to look for a log to make his little brother a drum.

Did he need to make his brother a drum? No Did he know white people were looking for blacks to enslave near the area where the wood was? Yes

but either way it resulted in him being a slave....bad choices don't justify slavery


Your idea of small wages? You fuckin Cappie pig...you aren't even a commie, your just a really right wing autocrat with cappie tendancies. Cappies believe in small wages

Sodomy-2 : noncoital and especially anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex

meaning sex that does not result in a child

sodomy is illegal in the US

now if my girlfriend goes down on me, or I go down on her technicaly we should both go to jail.

Tell me, this is a sexual crime, just like turning tricks.

Now I should serve in a labor camp just cuz me and my girlfriend had sex?

The concept of a labor camp is bullshit

the reason the US stopped them was because they were unbelieveably cruel.

Now going back to the sodomy thing, I forfeit my freedoms for....lets say six months (or longer depending on the crime) because I had sex that didn't result in birth?

The problem is that labor camps don't just mean your forfeited your freedom...it means that someone else forces you to do something that is only helping them.


Think mazdak, if you murder someone and you get life in a labor camp how is that fair?

You've already sacraficed your life to imprisonment, now you are working so Jim Jones can have a larger pool.

THe idea is for them to pay their debt to society

one life for another

if they are imprisoned they already lost their lives and freedom

Them working is adding more than that.

If they are forced to work they should only get like 50-60 years.

Labor campls force them to do more than pay their debt...it lines your pockets

[Mazdak]

The money goes to the STATE, not just the leader. You are bringing up irrelevant issues. The ineffecient state now also has illegalized euthanasia. Not all the laws would remain the same.

The Prison system simply isn't tough enough. It is that simple. WE have to really make them regret their actions. That is how. Hard labor and years of it hurt more than a fine or sitting in a jail cell sleeping all day. Make them productive. How many times do i have to tell you, i couldn't care less about their sob storiers "But i have three kids" or "but my family needs me" or "i am sick and cant work." Tough, you choose to do it. So fuck you, if i could, i would have them all assassinated, but unfortunatly, some scum ends up recycled. It is pretty lenient to have labor camps, in my opinion. Unlike the current prison system, people would dread going to labor camp.

I will add more when i am less tired.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 3:01 am on Oct. 30, 2002
The money goes to the STATE, not just the leader. You are bringing up irrelevant issues. The ineffecient state now also has illegalized euthanasia. Not all the laws would remain the same.

The Prison system simply isn't tough enough. It is that simple. WE have to really make them regret their actions. That is how. Hard labor and years of it hurt more than a fine or sitting in a jail cell sleeping all day. Make them productive. How many times do i have to tell you, i couldn't care less about their sob storiers "But i have three kids" or "but my family needs me" or "i am sick and cant work." Tough, you choose to do it. So fuck you, if i could, i would have them all assassinated, but unfortunatly, some scum ends up recycled. It is pretty lenient to have labor camps, in my opinion. Unlike the current prison system, people would dread going to labor camp.

I will add more when i am less tired.


We have to make them regret it?


Go to a maxim security prison and ask any prisoner there wether or not they wish they were free.

They regret it well enough

and they don't sleep all day, aren't allowed to.

[Mazdak]

Good for them. At least the government can do something half assed. If anything at all, this is one thing i applaud them for doing.

And if you think they wish for freedom now.... they'll rather be dead than alive in the camps. That's the way it should be. One is forfeiting his/her rights by breaking the law. If he can obstruct our rights, we can obstruct his. And we will.

[redstar2000]

Friends, comrade Mazdek will sing out of the other side of his mouth when he has spent ONE NIGHT in jail. Believe me, I know.

[Guest]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 12:29 pm on Oct. 29, 2002
Ignorant?

Oh and how about white people enslaving any black they came across?

bounty hunters shooting runaway slaves

black women being raped for no good reason

Blacks being beaten for trying to break free when their families were sold away

Blacks being beaten and killed for wanting freedom

THose raciss got what they fuckin deserved

turnabout is fair play

what goes around comes around

and so on



Right, you are sick and so is pana then, atleast according to your standards, excuse me while I go kill blacks who may have killed my ancestors.

What you said is fucking stupid, you "I like peace and communism" dipshit, first of all, you are the one who ends up bringing slavery into everything, as if anyone honestly even cares anymore.

You want morality, you seem to be only viewing revenge you sickening black nazi black panther.

You want wars and hate and more hate crimes, keep up with that philosophy, meanwhile I'll be using your beliefs in helping lower the black hate crimes being 4 times higher than whites, one beating at a time ;)

I hope you look at the last statement and see just how your thinking is gonna get someone gang beaten simply for the color of their skin, because they 'oppressed' me.

[Guest]

And considering the majority of whites in the south were not slave owners, slavers being the UPPER class, there is undoubtly a fair number of innocent people who were killed.

[Panamarisen]

Slavery in XIXth century has consequences up to now in African-Americans. The harm was/is so deep Malcolm X knew it very well and tryied to do something about it, giving this population back their dignity in the first place.
Situation is so delicate even now that no wonder there are four times more crimes commited by Blacks than by Whites!

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Guest on 4:02 am on Oct. 30, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 12:29 pm on Oct. 29, 2002
Ignorant?

Oh and how about white people enslaving any black they came across?

bounty hunters shooting runaway slaves

black women being raped for no good reason

Blacks being beaten for trying to break free when their families were sold away

Blacks being beaten and killed for wanting freedom

THose raciss got what they fuckin deserved

turnabout is fair play

what goes around comes around

and so on



Right, you are sick and so is pana then, atleast according to your standards, excuse me while I go kill blacks who may have killed my ancestors.

What you said is fucking stupid, you "I like peace and communism" dipshit, first of all, you are the one who ends up bringing slavery into everything, as if anyone honestly even cares anymore.

You want morality, you seem to be only viewing revenge you sickening black nazi black panther.

You want wars and hate and more hate crimes, keep up with that philosophy, meanwhile I'll be using your beliefs in helping lower the black hate crimes being 4 times higher than whites, one beating at a time ;)

I hope you look at the last statement and see just how your thinking is gonna get someone gang beaten simply for the color of their skin, because they 'oppressed' me.


I know lots of people who still care white and black


and what about teh innocent people who were enslaved?

What did they do to deserve slavery?

Or the blacks who were killed for wanting freedom or trying to escape? WHy did they deserve to die?

You seem to be making a claim that an innocent white life is worth more than a black one.

I don't advocate violence but frankly those racists got what they deserved.

Not so much the people who didn't own slaves

the slave owners derserved a revolt.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Guest on 4:02 am on Oct. 30, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 12:29 pm on Oct. 29, 2002
Ignorant?

Oh and how about white people enslaving any black they came across?

bounty hunters shooting runaway slaves

black women being raped for no good reason

Blacks being beaten for trying to break free when their families were sold away

Blacks being beaten and killed for wanting freedom

THose raciss got what they fuckin deserved

turnabout is fair play

what goes around comes around

and so on



Right, you are sick and so is pana then, atleast according to your standards, excuse me while I go kill blacks who may have killed my ancestors.

What you said is fucking stupid, you "I like peace and communism" dipshit, first of all, you are the one who ends up bringing slavery into everything, as if anyone honestly even cares anymore.

You want morality, you seem to be only viewing revenge you sickening black nazi black panther.

You want wars and hate and more hate crimes, keep up with that philosophy, meanwhile I'll be using your beliefs in helping lower the black hate crimes being 4 times higher than whites, one beating at a time ;)

I hope you look at the last statement and see just how your thinking is gonna get someone gang beaten simply for the color of their skin, because they 'oppressed' me.


so you are gonna beat a black guy because you say more blacks beat whites than vice versa?

How the fuck is that opressing you?

Are you someone's slave? Can you go and eat where you want, sit where you want, think and say what you want?

That beating thing isn't preventing you from doing shit

slavery did prevent it though

Your arguement is bullshit.

Whites still have it better tan blacks in this country so don't bull shit about opression

[Guest]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 9:29 pm on Oct. 30, 2002

so you are gonna beat a black guy because you say more blacks beat whites than vice versa?

How the fuck is that opressing you?

Are you someone's slave? Can you go and eat where you want, sit where you want, think and say what you want?

That beating thing isn't preventing you from doing shit

slavery did prevent it though

Your arguement is bullshit.

Whites still have it better tan blacks in this country so don't bull shit about opression



Correct, I'm bullshitting your oppression, I honestly can't believe, no matter what you say, is that you are so unfairly treated compared to whites that you can't afford a computer.

Besides, its just darwinism, are you saying all those gazelle eaten by lions didn't deserve to die, its bullshit, you can't redo what happened but you can focus on the future and fix that up dickhead.

Maybe your ancestors were slaves, how the fuck would you know for sure?

"I don't advocate violence but frankly those racists got what they deserved."

This right here is a oxymoron, you ARE advocating violence.

And personally, I'd much rather be a slave than be cannabilised (which happened VERY regularly considering the lack of protien available) by my enemies. But maybe the slaves would want different, either way, forget it, you want to complain that maybe the egyptians enslaved your people and complain about that forever more? No of course not, Your life is fine, so get on with it and stop focusing on something that doesn't effect you at all, you a christian right? What happen to love thy enemies shit?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Guest on 1:10 am on Oct. 31, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 9:29 pm on Oct. 30, 2002

so you are gonna beat a black guy because you say more blacks beat whites than vice versa?

How the fuck is that opressing you?

Are you someone's slave? Can you go and eat where you want, sit where you want, think and say what you want?

That beating thing isn't preventing you from doing shit

slavery did prevent it though

Your arguement is bullshit.

Whites still have it better tan blacks in this country so don't bull shit about opression



Correct, I'm bullshitting your oppression, I honestly can't believe, no matter what you say, is that you are so unfairly treated compared to whites that you can't afford a computer.

Besides, its just darwinism, are you saying all those gazelle eaten by lions didn't deserve to die, its bullshit, you can't redo what happened but you can focus on the future and fix that up dickhead.

Maybe your ancestors were slaves, how the fuck would you know for sure?

"I don't advocate violence but frankly those racists got what they deserved."

This right here is a oxymoron, you ARE advocating violence.

And personally, I'd much rather be a slave than be cannabilised (which happened VERY regularly considering the lack of protien available) by my enemies. But maybe the slaves would want different, either way, forget it, you want to complain that maybe the egyptians enslaved your people and complain about that forever more? No of course not, Your life is fine, so get on with it and stop focusing on something that doesn't effect you at all, you a christian right? What happen to love thy enemies shit?





My grandmother's grandfather was alive during slavery, she knew him, she knew a slave, I know my grandmother. SO I can be sure

So you are comparing humans to unsentient animals?

The lion eats the gazelle to live

Are you telling slavery was necassary for white people to eat?

Fix the future? That would involve getting rid of the ignorance that is some blatantly obvious in your ideaology.

I'm assuming you are the same "guest" who I have argued with before that is essential for what I'm about to say.

You refferd to blacks as niggers before, nigger is a deragatory term for blacks that ususaly used to desribe blacks as inferior.

ie you are a racist

if you have ever done a traditional debate you would know that one type of inherency is an attitudinal barrier.

Your attitude is an attitude

This attitude is held by you and many other white people against blacks

Since whites hold the majority of the US population is white, and since the majority of the wealth is held by whites in this country then logically the population of white racists would rise correspondingly

This means that those holding the power who are racist hold a specific barrier that prevents equality.

your attitude prevents anything from being fixed.

If you can't veiw everyone as equal then you have just created such a barrier.

The fact that I can afford a computer has nothing to do with this.

Infact my father works, my mother doesn't, my father isn't black, my mother is.

So you can't argue blacks have it equal because I have a computer against me since it isn't my black parent that earns my house hold's money.

"I don't advocate violence but frankly those racists got what they deserved."

No where in that sentence did I state that violence against them was okay.

I said they got what they deserved

does that make violence right? No

That doesn't mean that they didn't reap what they sowed.

They got the result of their actions.

If they didn't want a revolt they shouldn't have enslaved them

Now going back to the canabilism issue.

You do realize that the majority of the places where slaves were taken from were consisted of goat herders and farmers.

Now as far as farming they grew rice and yams...neither of which had a great deal of protein

but the herders usually herded goats and in some cases cattle.

Guess what use cattle and goats have? Meat and milk.

Meat has protein in it.

Cannabalism? Come on now, you have no proof what so ever.

Give me scientific documentation that the majority of East africa were cannabils.

You act as if they were Cave Men.

Since I have already proven in a previous debate that many people in Africa were Muslim

guess what Cannabalism goes against Islam.

but please if youhave documentation then please give it to me with a credible source that isn't biased.

Now here is an interesting notion, if they approved of cannablism how come many records taken from slaves who lived in Africa and were captured were told that they Tubob (mandinka for whites) weer going to eat them?

Even though this was a myth, that was a great fear for them

If cannabalism was more accepted in their society then wouldn't they have come up with a more horrid myth?

By they way your attitude and the shared one of other racists like you does effect me. If my life was fine people like you would give up their ignorant beliefs

Christian? Racists, sexists, and corrupt leaders have distorted the teachings of christ to the point were organized religion has no more use.

Jesus was a great person (not speaking in metaphysical terms of him) and I doubt very much he would agree with your racism.

[Mazdak]

Redstarm i don't intend to go to prison. I abide by the laws. And you can say what you want.... I want those prisoners to WISH THEY WERE DEAD. To you hear that?

Rehabilitation?! LOL!!! ARE you kidding me? I would love to live in your state because i could kill anyone and just be "rehabilitated" and do it again and again and again. Your rehabilitation does nothing but allow criminals to walk free.

I have my own rehabilitation.... hard labor and a bullet in the back of the head.

If you commit a crime, you need to be PUNISHED. Why the hell should the state waste its tiem and resources rehabilitating people whose lives aren't worth the laces on my shoes? They murdered someone. They raped someone. Rehabilitation is just an excuse to let a criminal go free.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Mazdak on 4:30 pm on Oct. 31, 2002
Redstarm i don't intend to go to prison. I abide by the laws. And you can say what you want.... I want those prisoners to WISH THEY WERE DEAD. To you hear that?

Rehabilitation?! LOL!!! ARE you kidding me? I would love to live in your state because i could kill anyone and just be "rehabilitated" and do it again and again and again. Your rehabilitation does nothing but allow criminals to walk free.

I have my own rehabilitation.... hard labor and a bullet in the back of the head.

If you commit a crime, you need to be PUNISHED. Why the hell should the state waste its tiem and resources rehabilitating people whose lives aren't worth the laces on my shoes? They murdered someone. They raped someone. Rehabilitation is just an excuse to let a criminal go free.

please tell me how two wrongs make a right.

[canikickit]

Mazdak doesn't understand the meaning of the word, "rehabilitation". Mazdak does not appear to grasp reality. Mazdak think the media should control the state. Mazdak is a closet facist. Everyone knows it except him and his girlfriend.

[redstar2000]

"I abase myself before Mazdek the Impaler" :-D

Seriously, comrade Mazdek, unless you are posting from Vietnam, Laos or Cuba (the last three quasi-socialist countries in the world), then you must be living in a capitalist country. Are you really so naive that you think going to jail has something to do with breaking the law???

There have been times in the history of the U.S. (granted, the worst example) when people were sent to prison--sometimes for decades--simply for writing stuff that's LESS inflammatory than many of the posts to che-lives. Those times may be coming again.

But even if you do NOTHING, in some places simply being YOUNG is a crime. In most places, being POOR is a crime. Perhaps you live in Denmark or Sweden or one of the more civilized capitalist countries where you need never fear unjust imprisonment. Or perhaps you're just LUCKY (you hope).

Whatever the case, I think 24 hours of imprisonment would teach you more about capitalist reality than the entire collected works of one J.V. Stalin.

[Mazdak]

Ok, then please, be my guest and tell me the point of going to prison. Since you are the "experts."

........ once again who said i would keep all the rules that are now in effect would be kept. A new government would mean new laws and some old laws discarded. I am talking hypothetically, which it seems none of you ever will grasp.

I am not posting from Cuba.... that has little relevance, as i seriously doubt you are posting from China or N. Korea.

The government would control the media, not the other way around canikickit. And no i am not a facist, as i explained quite clearly in the history board, i simply support the ideas of Vlad the Impaler.

[redstar2000]

Actually, comrade Mazdek, the problem of crime in a communist society is a very interesting one and deserves some serious attention. Because, of course, there WOULD be crime and criminals; we're talking about changing the real world, not going to "heaven".

I think there is a kind of historical preview in the practice of the anarcho-syndicalists in Spain during the 1930s. Their "rule-of-thumb" standard was: (1) minor crimes--the guilty receive a stern warning; (2) major crimes--the guilty are shot.

To the a/s folks, the very idea of prison was disgusting and counter-revolutionary...an unspeakable offense against fundamental human dignity. If someone has done something really horrible, then shoot the bastard. But NOTHING is gained from imprisonment except turning someone who is already fucked up into a MONSTER.

I would have places of confinement for minor crimes under communism; they would look and feel like ordinary apartment buildings except that you would not be allowed to leave. The maximum sentence would be three years or less. And yes, I would favor any and all effective means of rehibilatation.

For serious crimes, I have no problems with the death penalty...as long as guilt is clearly proven with modern forensic science.

Comrade Mazdek, you should know that Vlad the Impaler was a barbarian; I expect better of you than that.

[Mazdak]

First of all, your narrowminded view on Vlad the Impaler shows your unwillingness to see things in another light. Vlad was a genius.


I don't advocate prisons i think they are useless. A prisoner either goes to hell (figurietivly speaking) or a labor camp.

You and i agree on this. So what the hell are you trying to tell me?

[redstar2000]

Comrade Mazdek, we clearly DO NOT AGREE and I can't see how you could have read my post and say something like that.

I say "prisons" would be like apartment buildings with a lock on the front door; you want to send people to a "labor camp"--a place so hellish (BY DESIGN!) that it would amount to a slow-motion death penalty.

In addition, when you deliberately set out to degrade people into savage beasts, guess what happens to YOU as a result? That's right, you ALSO turn into a savage beast.

There was a fellow once who was asked why he was opposed to slavery. His reply is instructive: "Because slavery turns people into animals...and I'm not talking about the slaves!"

[Guest]

I don't recall calling ANYONE nigger, so half your post is pretty much wasted because you based everything on the fact I called someone a nigger.

"I don't advocate violence but frankly those racists got what they deserved."

No where in that sentence did I state that violence against them was okay.

I said they got what they deserved

does that make violence right? No

That doesn't mean that they didn't reap what they sowed.

They got the result of their actions.

If they didn't want a revolt they shouldn't have enslaved them"

Ok then, ask yourself this question, would've you done it yourself.

The majority of people in east africa were not muslim, and the majority did cannablise people, its like saying the majority of people in the amazon weren't cannibals, we both know its true.

I recall a history channel show (lemme, guess bigoted too) saying that they would often eat their dead enemies.

I'm not treating them like cavemen.

I'm not a christian so I don't give a fuck what jesus would think of me.

I will go find some links but no doubt they'll be 'racist' links, even though the entire thing here is not about racism, its about your bringing slavery into every arguement, and you thinking its good that slaves went on killing sprees.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Guest on 9:41 pm on Nov. 2, 2002
I don't recall calling ANYONE nigger, so half your post is pretty much wasted because you based everything on the fact I called someone a nigger.

"I don't advocate violence but frankly those racists got what they deserved."

No where in that sentence did I state that violence against them was okay.

I said they got what they deserved

does that make violence right? No

That doesn't mean that they didn't reap what they sowed.

They got the result of their actions.

If they didn't want a revolt they shouldn't have enslaved them"

Ok then, ask yourself this question, would've you done it yourself.

The majority of people in east africa were not muslim, and the majority did cannablise people, its like saying the majority of people in the amazon weren't cannibals, we both know its true.

I recall a history channel show (lemme, guess bigoted too) saying that they would often eat their dead enemies.

I'm not treating them like cavemen.

I'm not a christian so I don't give a fuck what jesus would think of me.

I will go find some links but no doubt they'll be 'racist' links, even though the entire thing here is not about racism, its about your bringing slavery into every arguement, and you thinking its good that slaves went on killing sprees.



The Wolof, THe mandinka, the fulong were not cannibals

and I ask you if you can bring me something from the history channel that says they were then okay because I doubt the history channel would be biased.

And I just went and researched african cannibalism.

Guess where the Cannibals were from? The Congo Basin and select tribes in west africa.

You were right about one thing, it was due to lack of protein.

But guess what else The Congo Basin and select tribes in west africa were not the majority of the African population.

Not to mention THe Congo Basin isn't even in East Africa.

Eastern Africa had nothing to do with cannbalism.

Cannibalsm was non existent in the sections where slaves were taken from. And most african tribes even the ones that weren't muslim didnt approve of the practice.

I'm not denying the existence of cannablism in Africa, but to say that the majority were is stupid.

also besides select tribes in the Amazon the majority wasn't cannibalistic. The only one that is defenient is the Aztecs and they weren't in the Amazon.

And if I were a slave in a revolt I would have shot the slave owner in a second and anyone who tried to stop me, I wouldn't shoot people who were just standing there

but if they drew a weapon on me...

And I think you would do the same.

I don't bring slavery into every arguement, you just happen to reply when i do

I don't see you in theory talking with us about mazdak wanting to abolish the family

I don't see you there when I'm disscussing the existence of God. No you only come when I do bring up slavery.



and this is about you and your asinine stereotypes of blacks.

[Communist Chris]

FUCK MAXB AND FUCK SS!! Fuck them! They are a bunch of cappies and ignorante bastards! They don't even know what they are talking about! They can't seperate left from right! Stupid cappies! FUCK CAPITALISM!!

[Mazdak]

Lets revive some stalinsoldier threads. Anyone who doesnt like SS posts is sick in the head. I am looking for another one, but this commie chris post is also a classic.

James, this thread is dear to my heart.

[ID2002]

Enough of this SS crap. Anyone who think genocide is an excellent idea has got their head screwed on backwards.

[Invader Zim]

Tell me SS but has this topic not been raised before by you or do you always spam like a twat.