Another reason why Socialism fails. - You poor Marxist souls

[MaxB]

Another reason why Socialism fails is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to micromanage a country's economy from a "central" point.
PERIOD

[Anonymous]

You are a very angry person, no?


Seriously chill out, leave the problems to others, dont feel the need to mock others becaus you think you live in a Utopia.

[MaxB]

Haha. Some fool here asked a few posts back: "When will we be "all" Communists"? When I read that I almost pissed laughing. This character is either a kid or a retard.
I didn't answer the fool, but I should have said: When you die and go to "Utopia".

[GUTB]

Of course, Communism isn't centralism. It is anything but that. There can be no meanigful discourse on Communism until all parties comprehend *what* Communism is, as opposed to what they may believe it to be.

If one has has an impartial view of the subject, one can see that Communism taking of power and capital *away* from a small minority and giving it to the mass of workers (and consumers). This, of course, does not mean the formation of a tyrannical central state beuracracy class -- and until one can overcome this hurdle of basic understanding, than a serious Marxist cannot hold a rational discussion with people who cling to it.

[Cobra]

That is why having local governments, state governmets, and a federal government is important. MaxB your right that you can not control micromanage the entire economy just with a federal government (except in very small countrys), but that is why there are sub-governments. Once the United States becomes a socialist country, you will find that it works perfectly.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Cobra on 8:12 am on Oct. 20, 2002
That is why having local governments, state governmets, and a federal government is important. MaxB your right that you can not control micromanage the entire economy just with a federal government (except in very small countrys), but that is why there are sub-governments. Once the United States becomes a socialist country, you will find that it works perfectly.



Think you're too opotomistic there man, one minute USA is communist, next minuteeverything works perfectly. The communist looks like a good system but it is perfectly entitled to fail just as badly as capitalism

[Goldfinger]

The target of communism is the removal of state where everyone owns everything.

[Anonymous]

"Haha. Some fool here asked a few posts back: "When will we be "all" Communists"? When I read that I almost pissed laughing. This character is either a kid or a retard.
I didn't answer the fool, but I should have said: When you die and go to "Utopia". "

ok i laughed very hard when i saw this, this retard has no life, all he does is post stupid , unproved topics, wich all start with "socialism is evil" "socialism fails" "socialism kills" and yet he calls other people retards? Go home boy go see cnn and then come make cnn made topics like "arabs are fanatics!"



i shouldnt reply but this moron as said too many bulshit and its geting on my nerves, yet i think no one should reply to his posts, he is just a retarded kid with too much free time, and a very litle brain and so he should be treated like one.

[Cobra]

Its just a matter of time before time before the bottom falls out of the overinflated US stock market making it crash. When this happens, it will mark the rebirth of socailism in the United States. Mabye I am being too optimistic about the US going socialism in our lifetime. But I'm sure that the stock market will crash. And yes, your right it is stupid to say it will work perfectly. What I meant was that it would work a hell of a lot better than capitalism. Crime, greed, corruption and other vices will be ruduced tremendusly.

The US government structure will work well with socialism. A few changes would have to be made of course. More Central control would be needed, especialy in the early stages. Also the Constution would have to be changed. A few of the additions to it could be a right to have free medical care, free housing, free food, and a free College Education. The exploitation of workers would become a crime, though some exploitation may still exist. Also, the party system will be eliminated. Instead, elections will be based soley on the individual. The US government would serve in the interest of the people of the world and not for personal profits. This can be the future of the US.

We only hope that Americas future generations will break away from the capitalist death cycle and free workers from their chains of oppression!

(Edited by Cobra at 7:03 pm on Oct. 20, 2002)

[Iepilei]

actually a federalist system would probably be a good choice for division of powers... so that the 'central' power won't be overwhelmed.

However, I've never read anything that stated that socialism HAD to be a unitary government... so you're giving that as a 'valid' reason of why it fails is just you talking out of your ass.

[James]

nah, maxB is right. He's/she's won me over with his/her vastly superior arguments!

[Cobra]

Ha ha ha, Good one James

MaxBs' dogma is less useful than shit!

[Exploited Class]

Everybody that says communism will fail, I say to you.

"Man will never fly."
"The Earth is not round."
"The Earth does not revolve around the sun."
"It will never work."
"You can't do it, it is impossible."
"hahahaha you fool for trying"
"You will fall off the ocean if you attempt to sail around it."

So many people in this world love to scorn progress and ridicule those who do not look at the now but to the future. The simplest of minds will never be able to see or comprehend what the rest of us can already envision. Sorry you can't see the current falts and see the next step in progress, sorry that by your limitiations and frustration, your only known recourse is the ability to try an envoke heated words of pointed insults. My friend, you and your like have been doing that to progress since the beggining of time, we are use to it and expect it. Too bad that the brain and heart isn't fused together for every person.

[James]

good post. One of course the wonderful maxb won't reply to - on the account that hes too busy bumbing sheep or something...

[Exploited Class]

This might be one of the funnier thoughts I have had in a while. Did all of you people know, that most homophobics are in many cases homosexuals themselves? And to over compensate for their homosexuality they are very masculine? Also it is common knowledge that most people who go out of their way to make fun of homosexuals or to say negative things to them, are in fact homosexuals themselves?

Now, think about the people who go out of their way to go to che-lives and post anti-communist posts? Are they doing it to make up for the fact that they are indeed communists at heart but do to overwhelming public opinion on the subject, they feel bad about who they are and take it out on the communists/socialists. hmmmm makes you think a bit about these people.

So when reading a negative communist/socialist post, remember it is probably somebody who feels exactly the same way you do.

[peaccenicked]

This article is long but answers Maxb, if he cared to read it. http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...m=22&topic=1136 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1136)

[Commissar Dawkovich]

"Man will never fly."
"The Earth is not round."
"The Earth does not revolve around the sun."
"You will fall off the ocean if you attempt to sail around it."

I understand what you are saying, but those examples above are all scientific Communism relies soley upon the progression of the Human Being. If man can learn to live together, without wanting to reach his full potential (i.e. not greedy or selfish) then maybe the day will come when it will work.

I am sceptical


on a different note......


Did all of you people know, that most homophobics are in many cases homosexuals themselves?

Often true. Julius Streicher, editor of the Nazi organ Der Sturmer was not only a Homosexual, but also a Paedophile. He made some of the most anti-homosexual speeches in the whole of the Third Reich

(Edited by Commissar Dawkovich at 12:09 am on Oct. 22, 2002)

[James]

I understand what you are saying, but those examples above are all scientific Communism relies soley upon the progression of the Human Being

I'd argue that in fact, communism is science. Its hard to comprehend at first - its not simple, and has an awful lot to it.

Yet its also social. Yet so are all those other issues.

Both are social, and scientific.

Or, if you want to go for a more buddhist view point - They are all nothing, yet are everything.

[Hattori Hanzo]

Socialism isn't based on that. it's about justice and the end of exploitation. nationalization, fare wages, high income and inheritance taxing, all for the common welfare.

Why are you anti-che? I can't comprehend it