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Zurdito
16th June 2008, 16:17
tellingly the most truthful report I could find ont his came from the Zimbabwe Guardian. the British press are full of crap about "violent" protesters and not even worth reading.

and update though is that 25 were arrested, and many more protesters injured than "one".

http://www.talkzimbabwe.com/news/117/ARTICLE/2700/2008-06-16.html



OVER 2 500 anti-war protestors greeted the US President George Bush when he visited Britain yesterday on his farewell tour.

Many people were injured as the protests turned violent and three were arrested.

Over 1,200 police officers controlled the crowds who were shouting: 'George Bush, terrorist'.

Many of them brandished placards emblazoned with President Bush’s name, blood patches and handcuffs.

Colin Wilson, who was selling t-shirts with the slogan 'George Bush: number one terrorist', said to the Press Association: "These always go down very well, particularly with American tourists because they're just so glad that there are people who hate Bush as much as they do."

He added: "We shouldn't let Bush get away with thinking that he can swan around the place, when you think of the hundreds of thousands of people that have been killed. He shouldn't be treated as a respectable politician, he's a war criminal and that's how he should be treated."

Demonstrators had planned to march to Downing Street, but police erected barriers to the government area of Whitehall effectively blocking the march.

Officers lined up behind a metal barrier, striking demonstrators with batons as they surged forward.

One protestor was left bleeding from a head injury after being hit by a police baton. According to a report the woman, Suzanne Wylie (29) “had been linking arms with protesters at the front of the crowd, trying to stop demonstrators in Parliament Square from surging forward.”

She said: "I've been on lots of demonstrations before and every one of the Stop the War demonstrations have been peaceful. This time because Bush is here, specifically because Bush is here, because of his own security arrangements, they won't let us demonstrate. If they let us demonstrate, there would have been none of this."

One 17-year-old girl was held on suspicion of assaulting a police officer. Her friends said she has her A-level exams next week.

Left-wing veteran Tony Benn was applauded as he told the crowd that troops must leave Afghanistan and Iraq. “I listened as a student to the judgment at Nuremberg that convicted Nazi criminals,” he said.

“The war against Iraq is a war crime. The US spends 400 million dollars every day for the war while there are people starving.”

Dr Daud Abdullah, from the Muslim Council of Britain, called on Bush to pay compensation for the damage he had caused, and to “express contrition for his crimes against humanity.”

Andrew Burgin, a spokesman for the Stop the War Coalition said: “We think Bush is a war criminal.


“Both Blair and Bush are responsible by duplicity and lying for an illegal invasion.”

There were around 2,000 to 2,500 demonstrators in Parliament Square at the height of the protest, according to a report by Scotland Yard.

President Bush is on a two-day visit to London and Northern Ireland.

Analysts say Iraq is likely to dominate the meetings as the US President was seeking reassurance that Britain was not withdrawing troops anytime soon.

He also denied that there were disagreements between the US and Britain over Iraq.

”I have absolutely no problem how Gordon Brown is managing the Iraqi effort,” he said.

Downing Street yesterday said there was no disagreement with the US after reports Sunday indicated a premature withdrawal of British troops.

Earlier, Bush told Sky News he was sorry that innocent civilians had died in Iraq, but he was still certain the invasion had been the right thing to do.

President Bush has always met protestors in the British capital. When he last visited Britain — in the wake of the Iraq War — almost 300,000 people turned up in London for a rally.

RedAnarchist
16th June 2008, 16:41
I was watching Sky News (I know, but it was abouit the protests) and there was this one guy with some sort of sign about the 9/11 attacks and he seemed to be one of those 9/11 conspiracy theorists. On the other side of his side, it said that STWC and the SWP were "stupid".

Zurdito
16th June 2008, 17:28
I was watching Sky News (I know, but it was abouit the protests) and there was this one guy with some sort of sign about the 9/11 attacks and he seemed to be one of those 9/11 conspiracy theorists. On the other side of his side, it said that STWC and the SWP were "stupid".

yes, three of them showed up.

3 out of 2500, and they get showed by Sky News, hmm, interesting.

TC
16th June 2008, 17:59
tellingly the most truthful report I could find ont his came from the Zimbabwe Guardian. the British press are full of crap about "violent" protesters and not even worth reading.

and update though is that 25 were arrested, and many more protesters injured than "one".

I was there for the whole thing; in fairness to the British press large numbers of protesters were violent: people fought back against the cops when attacked for a change (with sticks from stwc placards largely). Lots of people were injured, I saw multiple people bleeding from head injuries; maybe only one person was hospitalized?

The thing that the press consistently have wrong about that demo though was that the protesters were never 'surging forward' so much as the people at the front took down pieces of the front layer of the police barricades; the police though tried to push forward and set up barricades further and further into the crowd, and they made many baton charges to try to disperse the crowd and snatch individuals (which were largely fought back earlier in the evening); the entire standoff lasted for hours.

It ended when a second column of riot cops came another street and protesters ran over to meet them; which was stupid because that street was much wider so they couldn't hold a line against them and thats where I think most of the arrests happened.

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For all of the SWP/STWC's detractors, many of the SWP and STWC organisers were extremely brave and aggressive towards the cops, some of the student organisers were injured in the front line facing off with the cops. The real bullshit was that story that got posted on Indymedia by someone who was obviously against the STWC (didn't see any anarchists there though!).

TC
16th June 2008, 18:19
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pchoy1/ good photos of the event


http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/401236.html bad story, great photos:

http://indymedia.org.uk/images/2008/06/401243.jpg
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Another story: http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/401276.html

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http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/401302.html
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Evening Standard headline: Police Demo Police 'were blood hungry'
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=655&Itemid=27

pretty decent video; police brutality and what not:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5mVR--UdL78

Kropotesta
16th June 2008, 18:21
Are there any anti-police demonstrations in retaliation to this planned that you are aware of?

Zurdito
16th June 2008, 18:22
I was there for the whole thing; in fairness to the British press large numbers of protesters were violent:


I was there for the whole thing too.

I wouldn't say protester violence anywhere near matched police violence. a few people threw cardboard placards at officers wearing helmets, or poked them with weak wooden sticks, or threw plastic bottles. contrast this to batons being wacked round protesters unprotected heads. "Violent protest" would be the kind of thing we saw in the anticap movement. not what happened yesterday.

nah, I know a few people hit back, but really, theft of one barricade doesn't constitue a violent protest.

still I'm not playing it down, it was a good militant protest, and people didn't back down. still stiing down is the worst thing you can down when faced with riot cops, they will do exactly what they did: barge in and arrest random people one by one.

ona side note, credit to George Galloway, who was right in the middle of the melee.

BIG BROTHER
16th June 2008, 18:41
damm those pigs, btw I wonder what bush thinks when he sees people protesting against him and calling him terrorist.:lol:

Sam_b
16th June 2008, 19:05
One of the guys bloodied up is a friend of mine. Fucking police!

Report from Stop the War here: http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=655&Itemid=27

F9
16th June 2008, 19:48
there are some pictures really disgusting with those pigs.They have a fucking look that they are ready to attack!:mad:

Zurdito
16th June 2008, 20:15
there are some pictures really disgusting with those pigs.They have a fucking look that they are ready to attack!:mad:

they did ;)

Zurdito
16th June 2008, 20:47
Windows Movie file vid of the event, don't click if you don't want to open windows media.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2008/06//401260.wmv

a very anarchist anti-stwc video, but good footage

Wanted Man
16th June 2008, 20:51
Why does it always have to be anti-swp or anti-stwc or anti-anarchist or whatever? Aren't you all there protesting and getting beaten up by the cops? Or are sectarian jabs more important than solidarity in dealing with police brutality?

Zurdito
16th June 2008, 20:56
Why does it always have to be anti-swp or anti-stwc or anti-anarchist or whatever? Aren't you all there protesting and getting beaten up by the cops? Or are sectarian jabs more important than solidarity in dealing with police brutality?

IDK, ask the guy who made the video.

the beatings are at the end btw.

Kropotesta
16th June 2008, 21:05
Windows Movie file vid of the event, don't click if you don't want to open windows media.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2008/06//401260.wmv

a very anarchist anti-stwc video, but good footage
Is there another link to the video which isn't on windows media player?

Zurdito
16th June 2008, 21:18
couldn't find one but there are a few on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mVR--UdL78&NR=1

TC
17th June 2008, 01:09
I was there for the whole thing too.

I wouldn't say protester violence anywhere near matched police violence. a few people threw cardboard placards at officers wearing helmets, or poked them with weak wooden sticks, or threw plastic bottles. contrast this to batons being wacked round protesters unprotected heads. "Violent protest" would be the kind of thing we saw in the anticap movement. not what happened yesterday.



From where I was standing it was a lot more then 'a few people threw cardboard placards or poked them'...it was a lot, and people were actively beating them with sticks as well (defensively though).

Were you with the Revo/WP group? They left pretty early when the SWP started sitting down when the riot cops showed up; it actually picked up more than that after you guys left (if you were with them).

Of course protesters didn't match police violence but some of the fighting was in fact provoked by protesters throwing placard sticks and when the barricades in front were down (which isn't shown in any of the photos or video i've seen) and the police were advancing into the crowed people consistently fought back.



nah, I know a few people hit back, but really, theft of one barricade doesn't constitue a violent protest.

It wasn't just one barricade it was at least six or seven did you leave early?



still I'm not playing it down, it was a good militant protest, and people didn't back down. still stiing down is the worst thing you can down when faced with riot cops, they will do exactly what they did: barge in and arrest random people one by one.

The people in front were getting beaten up and people behind were pressing them forward trying to get a better look: they sat down to try to cool that down a bit; it seemed understandable at the time (that was...actually when L51/Revo/WP left, were you with them or are you just a supporter?)



ona side note, credit to George Galloway, who was right in the middle of the melee.

Ya...i saw in the photos but i didn't see him at the time; i guess he's easy to miss cause he's so short!

Zurdito
17th June 2008, 01:33
fair enough, I didn't know about the second part. respect to them.