Elian Joins Young Communist Union in Cuba

[OneBrickOneVoice]

Check it out

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7455748.stm

[Red October]

:lol:
lolz

[Dros]

Who cares?

[manic expression]

Great to hear this. Those lunatics in Miami definitely weren't able to brainwash him with trips to DisneyLand, were they?

[chimx]

Those lunatics in Miami definitely weren't able to brainwash him

They were his family members who were probably looking out for what they felt were his best interests. Don't forget that his mother was one of the people fleeing the island too (but died on the way)

[spartan]

I am confused did the mother force her child to flee Cuba and go to America with her?

It just seems odd that a mother and her child attempt to flee Cuba and go to the US, the mother dies during the trip across the sea in a handmade boat and the child is rescued by the US.

A legal battle then ensues between the boy's father who wants him back in Cuba and the boy's relatives in Florida who want to keep him in the US (Which is where he and his mother were fleeing to).

The father wins and the boy is returned to Cuba and soon after is a member of a state run youth organisation saying that he will never let down ex-President Fidel Castro and his brother Raul?

That seems a bit odd to me seeing how not to long ago he and his mother were attempting to flee the island who's leadership the boy suddenly doesnt want to let down.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Why is that odd? Boatloads of dumbass Cubans want to "flee the island" and millions of great Cubans are communists. Why is it so strange that his mother was one of those dumbasses and Elian is a communist?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

They were his family members who were probably looking out for what they felt were his best interests. Don't forget that his mother was one of the people fleeing the island too (but died on the way)


I lived in Florida for 12 years and lemme tell you, those people are lunatics. The amount of ignorance and hatred that permeates that community is jaw-dropping.

[Wanted Man]

Who cares?
I care. I think it's good to hear.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Yeah, that whole situation exposed to the rest of the folks in the U.S. just how extreme the Miami Mafia (and let's be clear, that's who spearheaded the "movement" to keep Elian in Miami; Armando Gutierrez was the family's "spokesman" for example) are.


I am confused did the mother force her child to flee Cuba and go to America with her?

He was only a small child. The boat they took was operated by Elian's mother's boyfriend, a "shark" from Miami who smuggled Cubans into the U.S. for cash. Elian's father wasn't aware they left until they were already in the water. Elian was given over to Elian's great uncle once in the U.S. Elian's father had called the great uncle in advance to arrange his return to Cuba, but the great uncle refused (there are reports that they even offered him a house and a car if he would defect to the U.S. and live with Elian).

Elian later told interviewers for 60 minutes about how his 'great family' told him bad things about his dad and coached him into saying he didn't want to go back, despite his constant assertions to his great uncle that he did.

2/3 of people polled in the U.S. thought he should be returned to his father. There were protests demanding that he be returned to his father. The mob around the Miami house however refused to give up Elian even after a court order. The great uncle's daughter threatened that they had weapons and would use them. A group of a few hundred pelted border patrol agents with rocks and bottles when they retrieved Elian.

When Elian was reunited with his father, he was extremely happy. Pictures showing him smiling as he saw his dad were released, only to be condemned by the Mafia as being of a "fake Elian"(!)

[Colonello Buendia]

is someone actually suggesting that one kid who was essentially manipulated into going to america and has now joined a communist group is fantastic news? seriously, it's not that interesting. apologies, I'm kinda pissed

[BIG BROTHER]

Go Elian! ¡Socialismo o muerte! :cubaflag:

[piet11111]

I am confused did the mother force her child to flee Cuba and go to America with her?

It just seems odd that a mother and her child attempt to flee Cuba and go to the US, the mother dies during the trip across the sea in a handmade boat and the child is rescued by the US.

A legal battle then ensues between the boy's father who wants him back in Cuba and the boy's relatives in Florida who want to keep him in the US (Which is where he and his mother were fleeing to).

The father wins and the boy is returned to Cuba and soon after is a member of a state run youth organisation saying that he will never let down ex-President Fidel Castro and his brother Raul?

That seems a bit odd to me seeing how not to long ago he and his mother were attempting to flee the island who's leadership the boy suddenly doesnt want to let down.

he was 6 when his mother took him with her you really think he had any say in what was happening to him ?
i would be surprised if he even knew that his mother was going to take him on an extremely dangerous trip that could easily kill both of them.

anyway this is hardly news if the custody battle was not made into such a spectacle we would never have heared about this.

[YKTMX]

Boatloads of dumbass Cubans want to "flee the island"

It's not "dumb" to want leave a poor place and live in a richer place - it's just human nature. I don't see many of the pro-Cuban comrades giving up their nice Western lives to work for $10 a month in old Havana.

[chimx]

It's not "dumb" to want leave a poor place and live in a richer place

My thoughts exactly.

[TC]

They were his family members who were probably looking out for what they felt were his best interests. Don't forget that his mother was one of the people fleeing the island too (but died on the way)

The white house press office should pay you cause you're doing their job for them!

His mother actually went to Miami to be with her boyfriend; she was one of those people who the US government didn't give a visa to in the lottery; the same lottery that they use to filter out all other immigrants. Like 99.99%+ of people who leave Cuba she did it for totally personal, non-political reasons, in fact not even economic reasons.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

The policies that exist aim to encourage Cubans to flee their country for the U.S. Whereas working class brothers and sisters from other Latin American countries that immigrate through non-official ("illegal") avenues are detained, arrested, and deported, any Cuban who reaches U.S. soil by any means is granted residency.

Then there is propaganda constantly hurled at the people of Cuba by the Miami Mafia and U.S. government which lyingly tell them that everyone in the United States is well off and enjoys a fantastic life.


It's not "dumb" to want leave a poor place and live in a richer place - it's just human nature.

And what is "human nature" exactly? Are you now arguing that humans are naturally greedy? How does this fit into communist theory?

The issue of Cuban emigration is not black-and-white. Immigration policies and propaganda of the U.S. government, the U.S.-blockade, the Miami Mafia, and other things have to be considered to gain a real understanding of the situation.

One could also compare Cuban emigration to that of say, Mexico or the Dominican Republic (where folks constantly try to escape to Puerto Rico on rickety boats), to get an overall picture.


I don't see many of the pro-Cuban comrades giving up their nice Western lives to work for $10 a month in old Havana.

The average wage in Cuba is $20. This may sound low, but when related to the cost of living (for example: 33 cent monthly electric bill) it's actually fairly good when compared to other imperialist-oppressed countries.

And our duty as communists in other countries in to make revolution, not to go live in an already-established socialist state.

[chimx]

His mother actually went to Miami to be with her boyfriend; she was one of those people who the US government didn't give a visa to in the lottery; the same lottery that they use to filter out all other immigrants. Like 99.99%+ of people who leave Cuba she did it for totally personal, non-political reasons, in fact not even economic reasons.

Yes, I understand that. When I said "best interests" I wasn't imply that she was looking out for his best interests in regards to either countries politics. I meant her personal reasons.


Are you now arguing that humans are naturally greedy?

I think he was saying that people do what they gotta do to get by and make the best of their life for themselves and for their families. Like TC said, most people leave Cuba for financial reasons, not political.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

What does that have to do with the concept of "human nature"?

[spartan]

What does that have to do with the concept of "human nature"?

Well when you live in a country who's economy has had a recent history of instability and food shortages as a result of this instability, the prospect of moving to a country where there is too much food to eat seems quite attractive to any person thinking rationally in a Capitalist world.

It's not about greediness or selfishness, its just a survival instinct.

You go to places that have the most to offer you (Hence why loads of Polish people come to work in the UK because wages are better for them here then back home in Poland).

Basically think of it like this:
I am hungry
I dont want to be hungry
If i move to a country with lots of food i wont be hungry
Therefore i will attempt to get to this country with lots of food.

I am not saying that Cuba has starving people or anything (Though i have heard reports from pro-Cuban left-wing sources stating that Cuban people they have met have secretly confided to them about a lack of food sometimes) but i am just giving an example of why someone may want to move from one country to another.

[Raúl Duke]

I lived in Florida for 12 years and lemme tell you, those people are lunatics. The amount of ignorance and hatred that permeates that community is jaw-dropping.

I think I have to agree on you with this; although most of my experience is with the Venezuelan/South American immigrants (which was quite a reversal, I thought I would be transitioning into Miami with Cubans when I was in Puerto Rico.).

[bootleg42]

I lived in Florida for 12 years and lemme tell you, those people are lunatics. The amount of ignorance and hatred that permeates that community is jaw-dropping.

I know. I got a Cuban (born and raised there) friend who has family in Miami and my friend is another lunatic when it comes to the topic of Cuba. He claims that everything he doesn't like is communist. He said Michael Moore and the New York Times are communist (silly no????) and he claims the democrats are the biggest communists in the world. When I asked him what communism was, he didn't know. This probably shows that they're not teaching the people what communism is in Cuba. My friend did not even know the simple definition of it (stateless, classless society where the means of production are in the hands of the actual workers).