A question for all intellectuals.

[Turnoviseous]

I have one question.

My neighbour that is in the second class of primary school showed me this.

Ok, it goes like this

5+5+5 = 500

(This numbers are digital (made from lines), you know, like those on a digital clock. Change one line so the equation will be correct.)

I must admit that I haven´t did it. And then he told me, ugh, smartness is so relative. I also asked 2 math teachers and they didn´t do it.

P.S.: You can´t say that 5+5+5 is not 500. You must leave = as it is. And I have posted this here so right wingers will also be able to try.

[Anonymous]

huummmm i was right about to solve this problem but then i remember that it would be too selfish to finish it all by myself so i will let you solve it :biggrin:

[Turnoviseous]

Quote: from the anarchist on 10:41 pm on Oct. 15, 2002
huummmm i was right about to solve this problem but then i remember that it would be too selfish to finish it all by myself so i will let you solve it :biggrin:

No problem, I already know the answer, so you can post the answer with no second thoughts. :)

[Anonymous]

"No problem, I already know the answer, so you can post the answer with no second thoughts. "

Naaaaa i think i will kep the answear to myself! lol

(just an excuse to forgive my lamy capicitys!)

[Turnoviseous]

Ugh, I made a mistake :=)


"5+5+5=500" is not solvable

it´s "5+5+5 = 550".


Now change one line so the equation will be correct.

I will wait for a while with the answer, maybe somebody knows the answer.

[honest intellectual]

Gottit!

5 - 5 + 5 �‚550

I don't think that's what you had in mind, though, coz you said it wouldn't work with 500 instead of 550

[antieverything]

That would make 50...

[Felicia]

no, that would make 5

[BOZG]

You should begin bowing at this time.

In the second plus sign, add a line connecting the top of the + to the left arm of the + making a 4 so that the equation then reads:

5 + 545 = 550

[Exploited Class]

505-5 = 500

That rerquires me to move 2 lines but I am not sure of what the definition of lines is.

515 - 15 = 500

[timbaly]

ok so it looks like this

__ __ __ __ __ __
l l l l l ___ l l l l
l__ _l_ l__ l__l l__ ___ l__ l__ l l
l l l l l l l l l
__ l __l l __l __l __l l__l

every two verical lines equal equal one line on a digital clock.
The + was turned into a 4 by taking the right side of its horizontal line and placed vertically on its left horizontal line I don't know how that happened or where i went wrong it was perfect before i submitted it, i bet it has something to do with the amount of empty spaces maybe Malte can fix it


(Edited by timbaly at 9:52 pm on Oct. 17, 2002)

[timbaly]

ok so it looks like this

__ . __ __ . __ __ __
l . l l l l ___ . l l l l
l__ _l_ .l__ l__l l__ ___ .l__ l__ l l
l l . l l l . l l l l
__ l . __l l __l . . __l __l l__ l

every two verical lines equal equal one line on a digital clock.
The + was turned into a 4 by taking the right side of its horizontal line and placed vertically on its left horizontal line

[timbaly]

ok so it looks like this

__ . . __ . __ . __ __ __
l . . . . l . l l l . __ . . l l l l
l__ . _l_ . .l__ . l__l l__ ___ .l__ l__ l l
l . l . . l . . l l . . . l l l l
__ l . . . __l . l __l . . . __l __l l__ l

every two verical lines equal equal one line on a digital clock.
The + was turned into a 4 by taking the right side of its horizontal line and placed vertically on its left horizontal line

[timbaly]

sorry about that i tried to fill the empty spaces with periods to see if that would help but i hit back instead of edit, and on top of that it didn't work.
Something else has occured to me is the horizontal and vertical line in the + four lines or just two? If it's two my answer and exploitedclass's answer are both wrong

(Edited by timbaly at 9:59 pm on Oct. 17, 2002)

[Exploited Class]

Before we all forget about this post and move on with our lives, is Turnoviseous going to post the answer? Please.

[honest intellectual]

Quote: from honest intellectual on 10:27 pm on Oct. 16, 2002
Gottit!

5 - 5 + 5 �‚550

I don't think that's what you had in mind, though, coz you said it wouldn't work with 500 instead of 550
That came out wrong. That square thingy was meant to be a "not equal to" sign

[Stormin Norman]

I don't suppose you feeble minded individuals would like me to post a real problem. No, I am not talking about a simple little minded teaser, with such a easy, nonsensical solution. I am talking about a real problem that actually takes some brains to solve. If you want, I will make the first one relatively easy. Let me know.

[James]

would you feel that you are a little full of your self normin old matey?

Do you run around naked, so that people look at you? so that they register that you exist? I wouldn't be surprised... oh, unless you have a crap body - so instead you use thenet, somewhere where no one can see your face. And you attention seek on here instead. I wonder why though.. i suspect some childhood thing is having a great affect on our life...

[Stormin Norman]

I didn't think someone as incapable as you would appreciate a challenge. That became evident when you stopped debating me honestly and resorted to attacking me personally with peacenicked. By the way, in addition to being smart I am also sexy, and have no trouble getting laid. It just so happens that I enjoy making people like you feel small. It should be noted that not everyone has the same motives for using the internet as you, James. Don't forget that fact, because it is an idiotic assumption.

I will post the question here for any that wish to attempt it.

Air enters a pipe at 60m/s. At this point, call it point A, the air has a temperature of 27degrees Celsius and a pressure of 2.813 bar (absolute). The pipe has a diameter of 7.5cm. Later the diameter of the pipe decreases to 5.0cm. At this point, call it point B, the temperature is 60 degrees Celsius and has a pressure of 2.543 bar (absolute). What is the velocity of the of the air at point B. Hint: the air is close enough to standard conditions to assume Ideal behavior.

[James]

"I don't suppose you feeble minded individuals would like me to post a real problem."

i'd say you have some problems with yoursocial standing.

"No, I am not talking about a simple little minded teaser, with such a easy, nonsensical solution."

hahaha, who cares man? but anyways - again, i'd say problems are evident.


I didn't think someone as incapable as you would appreciate a challenge. That became evident when you stopped debating me honestly and resorted to attacking me personally with peacenicked.By the way, in addition to being smart I am also sexy, and have no trouble getting laid. It just so happens that I enjoy making people like you feel small. It should be noted that not everyone has the same motives for using the internet as you, James. Don't forget that fact, because it is an idiotic assumption.

Again, i'm flattered that you realize i exist...so nice of you to take some time out of getting laid...

And why do you "enjoy" making people "feel small"?

I'd say that was rather troubled..so come on, spill the beans. Who is it that made you feel small?

[Stormin Norman]

Who is it that made me feel small?

That is a good question.

No one has ever made me feel small, but they have tried. Many people like yourself that recognize my ability and despise it have attempted to undermine my intelligence and embarass me on occassion. This includes mainly teachers that I challenged and jealous co-workers of the past. However, now I work at a place that has a greater level of thought and this has not happened to the best of my knowledge. One reason may be that I am not especially gifted in the field I am in at this juncture, therefore my coworkers may not feel threatened like others have been in the past.

Growing up, I felt that I had to camoflage my intelligence and act like a goof in able to maintain a good social position. It worked, and I was well liked by my people from all cliques, although I did not belong to any one of them. I never have liked pack mentality and that could explain my hatred for communism and the groupthink that accompanies it. I used my intelligence but was able to counteract the nerd stereotype by causing trouble or applying it to jokes and pranks. I was actually asked to leave my first high school because of the inability of the school system to challenge me and harness my energy for greater things than a cubicle. My untamed nature has cost me greatly because I was detracted from the scholarships I could have gotten had I been willing to play the game.

Whatever my past, I have learned from my mistakes and have an insight greater than I would have had if I had taken the normal route to success. No matter what you might think, no one has ever been able to undermine my self respect or make me question my ability. I am and will remain my harshest critic of significance. Small minded incompetent boobs will never again weigh into my desicion making process, since I will not hide my intelligence in order to be accepted. Being popular was fun, but it was not worth it, because I was put myself equal to those that were less than me.

Analyze that bit of truth if you wish, but I think you are avoiding the problem that I submitted to you. Can you even start to attempt the problem? I will help you with it if you would like, but I must give others a fair chance to answer it on their own.

[Lardlad95]

I'm feelin what you sayin about the camoflaouge thing

but you should never try to conform and hide your intellegence from people

I learned that the hardway.

Now I'm tired of tryin to fit in people just have to accept Aaron teh way he is.

however I do have a question

You said communism has a pack mentality


have you takin a look at America's youth? It's one big walkin example of conformity except they don't have those little uniforms that Mao issues

[Stormin Norman]

"have you takin a look at America's youth?"

Yes I have, and I do not defend their idiocy in any way. I have been hard pressed to understand why they buy the things they do, and why they buy the liberal opinions that are being projected onto them. I guess it gets back to that pack mentality and fear of drifting from what is popularly accepted. The only conclusion that I have reached is that there will always be idiots in the world. These idiots will continue to cause most of the worlds problems, and the cycle, whereby they drive society into the ground and it is saved by those individuals with the ability to think, will repeat itself indefinetly. That is until the idiots accidently remove themselves from the gene pool, or quit indoctorinating the youth with stupidity.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 1:47 pm on Oct. 20, 2002)

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 1:46 am on Oct. 20, 2002
"have you takin a look at America's youth?"

Yes I have, and I do not defend their idiocy in any way. I have been hard pressed to understand why they buy the things they do, and why they buy the liberal opinions that are being projected onto them. I guess it gets back to that pack mentality and fear of drifting from what is popularly accepted. The only conclusion that I have reached is that there will always be idiots in the world. These idiots will continue to cause most of the worlds problems, and the cycle, whereby they drive society into the ground and it is saved by those individuals with the ability to think, will repeat itself indefinetly. That is until the idiots accidently remove themselves from the gene pool, or quit indoctorinating the youth with stupidity.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 1:47 pm on Oct. 20, 2002)


I totally agree except for the liberal things

most of the kids I know think all middle easterners are terroists

they want to bomb four year olds in Iraq (seriously not just supporting the war but they actually think even the four year olds are responsible for 9/11)

they use stereotypes and racist comments all the time


far from liberal

[canikickit]

Air enters a pipe at 60m/s. At this point, call it point A, the air has a temperature of 27degrees Celsius and a pressure of 2.813 bar (absolute). The pipe has a diameter of 7.5cm. Later the diameter of the pipe decreases to 5.0cm. At this point, call it point B, the temperature is 60 degrees Celsius and has a pressure of 2.543 bar (absolute). What is the velocity of the of the air at point B. Hint: the air is close enough to standard conditions to assume Ideal behavior.


I must admit, Norm I find this quit interesting. But I am sceptical about it, I am wondering if perhaps it is a trick question, merely designed to look complicated.

I think it is quite difficult to find the formulae neccessary to solve it. I did a bit a research and it seems that you need to know the volume of a gas to find its velocity (I could be wrong I can't remember exactly) but to find the volume you would need to know the lenght of the pipe...

Anyway, make of that what you will, and see if you can solve this "relatively easy" "brain teaser".


If f(x)=(5x^2)^3 + 4x^3,

What is f'(x)?

Now this is simple, to me.

[Lefty]

since i didnt read the thread, i dont know if someone already posted this, but change the + to a 4 to make the statement correct, so it reads
5+545=550.

[Exploited Class]

So we can change the 500 to something else? I thought the = sign and the 500 had to stay the same and we could only mess around with the 5+5+5.

[canikickit]

Ymir made a mistake in the first post.

It should have been 550. Chek for yourself.

[Exploited Class]

Crap! That was easy once I saw that it wasn't suppose to be 5 + 5 + 5 = 500.

Yes 5 + 545 = 550 works.

[Guest]

About the pack mentality thing, it might be off topic but still.

Humans -are- pack animals, no matter how much you right wingers like your freedom, you're pack animals or we'd all be living miles apart from eachother in our huts away from your family and friends, and we'd have never made it from the stone age, or even earlier than that.

[BOZG]

I got the answer about 2 pages back. Some trying to steal my glory.

Norman needs to make himself feel superior by posting difficult maths questions. The thread was made for a simple puzzle not a test to see who's good at maths and who isn't.

[Guest]

by ther power rule we have (the chain rule yields the same results):

f'(x)=750x^5+12x^2.

CanIkickit,

This is not a trick question. You are right in thinking that the volume is necessary. Hint #2: Use the Ideal Gas Law. Unit calcellation may aid in the solution.

PV = nRT

Where P is the Pressure
V is the Volume
n is the number of moles
R is a constant
T is temperature

Keep trying, don't give up just yet.

[Stormin Norman]

"I got the answer about 2 pages back. Some trying to steal my glory.

Norman needs to make himself feel superior by posting difficult maths questions. The thread was made for a simple puzzle not a test to see who's good at maths and who isn't. "

The post was meant to inspire thought. Something that I thought I was doing. Besides, this question is more of a physics problem than it is a math question. Of course, one has to know how to add, subtract, multiply, and divide to solve this type of question. I can see that there is only one of you that has the necessary skills to even attempt the problem.

I appreciate your interest, canikickit. Looks like you win the competition, for none of your counterparts have enough gumption to dare a challenge.

[peaccenicked]

http://www.winnieshouse.com/images/new1rabb.gif

[canikickit]

I like differential calculus. It gives me a sense of achievment, especially big, complicated questions.


PV = nRT

I came across that, but I got kind of bored. I'm gonna give it another whack now.

[BOZG]

Sorry Norman, we don't all do physics.

[j]

For all you non physics people out there (myself included), how many of you really understand what Einstein meant by E=mc^2? And does it relate to his special theory of relativity?

This is of course for the NON physics/mathematics people. I find this should be general knowledge but I am surprised that many people have no idea what Einstien was talking about.

j

[alphaq]

Hey Storming Norman... do you feel big because you can post a fluid mechanics question to a group of (mostly) nonscientists? I could turn around and ask you a question from my quantum field theory class in a desparate attempt to assert my intellectual prowess, but that would in the end be pathetic, don't you think?

[Stormin Norman]

Alphaq,

Post it. I would love to take a crack at whatever you can throw my way. The idea of this thread was mind teasers. I think quantum physics definetly falls in that category. Just don't post one that requires days to solve.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 9:01 pm on Oct. 24, 2002)

[James]

ok stormy - what am i thinking...right ....NOW

?

[Stormin Norman]

Let me guess your thinking goes something like this:

Do De Do. Hum de Dum. Zippidy Do Da. Slosh Slosh. Curchunk Curchunk. Put Put. Durggge.

Translation:

I wish I could be as great as Stormin Norman. How does he do it. Why does my head hurt everytime I try to keep up with him.

[James]

nope you want to try again?

[Stormin Norman]

Okay, I guess that you are thinking about how gratifying it would be if the anarchy of a communists revolution were tried again. That way it would be possible for you to shoot people like me in the back in order to fill mass graves, without the threat of punishment.

[James]

nope, try again

[alphaq]

Stormin,

I can post one if you'd like, but I don't really consider such questions as brain teasers since you have to be somewhat specialized to even attempt the question. A true brain teaser is one in which you don't need any prior knowledge (any more than the average person would have). Asking physics questions just comes down to who knows physics and not who is smart. Afterall, one would need to be in at least first year graduate school to know quantum field theory... so does that mean anyone who is not in grad school in physics is not smart, or not smart enough?

[Moskitto]

Air enters a pipe at 60m/s. At this point, call it point A, the air has a temperature of 27degrees Celsius and a pressure of 2.813 bar (absolute). The pipe has a diameter of 7.5cm. Later the diameter of the pipe decreases to 5.0cm. At this point, call it point B, the temperature is 60 degrees Celsius and has a pressure of 2.543 bar (absolute). What is the velocity of the of the air at point B. Hint: the air is close enough to standard conditions to assume Ideal behavior.

regretably, I am not a physicist so I have absolutely no idea how air speed changes because of increase in temperature.

[Exploited Class]

Okay I got a little brain teaser for everyone, now all you are going to need to know is some specialized progamming instructions, some fourtran, 3 years of math. Okay so it is going to be a toughy and in asking this I will be pumping up my ego, trying to make you all look like dumb bastards for not having my education in a particular subject and in the end I'll look like an insecure jackass. Okay so nevermind... Stormin Normin already beat me to this.

[j]

All this physics talk is bullshit. It is not a question for intellectuals--it is a question for physicists and such. A more engaging intellectual question would be:

Say "boast" five times. Now spell "boast." Say "coast" five times. Now spell "coast." What do you put in a toaster??

j

[Stormin Norman]

Bread.

Besides it does not take a brain surgeon to answer the simple question I asked. This one is easy, anyone who has had high school physics should be able to answer it.

I apologize if I made you feel insecure. That was not my intent. I wasn't going to post it until James egged me on with her name calling. I will downgrade the question in order to appeal to my audience.

2=x^2+5x

solve for x

[Stormin Norman]

"regretably, I am not a physicist so I have absolutely no idea how air speed changes because of increase in temperature."

Air speed is not what is temperature dependent. You want to look at the volume, and realize that the velocity depends on the cross sectional area at the two given points. I hope that helps.

It seems that many of you would rather ***** about the problem than spend time thinking about the problem. I have been guilty of this myself. It is very easy to say fuck it and not even try, but I think that practice should be discouraged. We should try not to allow our minds to get lazy, for that would lead to becoming a communist. God knows there is nothing worse that commie pinko scum, and the trip backwords in time they would like to take the whole human race on. One reason you should solve the problem is to prove you have what it takes to be a capitalist, and would never fall prey to the evils of Marxism.

[Stormin Norman]

"Okay I got a little brain teaser for everyone, now all you are going to need to know is some specialized progamming instructions, some fourtran, 3 years of math. Okay so it is going to be a toughy and in asking this I will be pumping up my ego, trying to make you all look like dumb bastards for not having my education in a particular subject and in the end I'll look like an insecure jackass. Okay so nevermind... Stormin Normin already beat me to this."

At least your reply showed a small bit of wits. I thought it was very funny. At least you have enough skill to be a funny fuck. You could actually get paid to write such zingers and perform them on a stage. Let me ask you this. If I were insecure, would I continually subject myself to the constant ridicule of fascist communists? I think my presence here after all the scrutiny speaks the opposite about me. Judge for yourselves. I could give a fuck how I am perceived, for I know who I am. Do you?

[Exploited Class]

Oh how nice of you to respond buttercup. Man talk about tickling the sensitive nerve ending. Do you always have to reaffirm who are to yourself and others, or is that normally something you just do in front of a mirror on Saturday mornings? Listen Nancy, you sound like the alcoholic that makes sure everybody knows you aren't one.

But that was all touchy and feely do you want to do our hair after you let out all those emotional feelings? Look, I don't really care that you have a deep dislike for yourself and continually go to a chat board for constant ridicule; it might be because your daddy didn't love you enough. See, I don't get paid to be your therapists, so find a boyfriend, and ask him why your insecurities bring you back here.

Oh and for the next brainteaser, why don’t we all just let a professional auto mechanic that feels down and in the dumps ask us a specific question about a car that nobody can answer, because I bet that will make him feel better about himself.

So, if you are all done crying like a little ***** about who you are and where you stand, because I know 4 year old girls that enough balls to "know who they are" and not respond.

[Stormin Norman]

SOLUTION:

Area at point A

A = pi(r^2) = pi(.0375m)^2 = 0.0044m^2

Volumetric flow rate through point A

velocity*cross-sectional area

Va=60m/s*0.0044m^2 = 0.265m^3/s

With this information we can solve for the volume at point B by dividing the ideal gas relation at point A by the ideal gas relation at point B. This will allow us to avoid doing unit conversions and yields an expression that is not dependent upon R (the gas constant).

(PaVa=nRTa)/(PbVb=nRTb)

Since the molar flow rate must be the same at both A and B, we see how n and R cancel leaving:

(PaVa=Ta)/(PbVb=Tb)

Therefore,

Vb = (PaVaTb)/(PbTa)

Plugging in known values

Vb = [(2.81bar)(0.265m^3/s)(333.15K)]/[(2.54bar)(300.15K)]

Vb = Volumetric flow rate at point B = 0.325^m3/s

Now we need a relationship that will give us the velocity at this point. Since we have the diameter of the pipe we can use the cross-sectional area at point B.

B = pi(0.025m)^2 = 0.0019634m^2

velocity at point b

v = (0.325m^3/s)/(0.001963m^2) = 165.6 m/s

See how easy that was?


(Edited by Stormin Norman at 10:33 am on Nov. 5, 2002)

[Stormin Norman]

I don't suppose you are ready for an easy one. Since I got many complaints about the question I posted, I thought I would post a simple, everyday, common sense type question. I guess it was unfair to expect a bunch of communists to be capable of solving a question that required any sort of scientific background, so let's see how well you guys do in the area of common sense.

Here it is. Are you commies qualified enough to become cooks, or will you essentially be relegated to the role of street sweepers in the event of a communists revolution?

One cup of a 30% bran mix is mixed with two cups of a 60% bran mix. What is the final percentage of bran mixture?

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 12:19 am on Nov. 4, 2002)

[Moskitto]

30+60+60=150
150/3=50

50% Bran

dunno why anyone else hasn't tried that one yet, probably everyone's going to laugh at me for giving an awnser.

i didn't mean to sound like I was moaning at the last question, it's just I suck at physics and was pretty pleased when I could give it up and still do biology and chemistry.

ok, here's my GCSE results

Maths - A
Double Science - B
Religious Studies - B
Spanish - C
English - C
English Literature - C
ICT - C
World History - C
Food - D
Business Studies - D

(Edited by Moskitto at 10:51 pm on Nov. 3, 2002)

[Stormin Norman]

I wasn't talkng about you specifically, Moskitto. To be honest, I had a feeling you'd be the only one to answer this last question. Did you understand the solution to the first question? I told you it wasn't that bad. You are probably the only one to even attempt it. That puts you ahead of the competition.

[Moskitto]

yeah, now I see it it makes sense, it's just at the time it didn't make sense because i can't remember any physics formulae except v=d/t.

I would have described the last question as a math question rather than a cooking question, cooking is quite technical, well, not extremely technical, but if you understand gelation, gelatinisation, emulsification, browning reactions and aeration you can cook just about anything.

[canikickit]

probably everyone's going to laugh at me for giving an awnser.

ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.....

I attempted your physics question, SN, but I got bored, and lost interest.

How about an English brain teaser? Can you spell "imperialism"? oh...ho, ho, ho, ha, ha, ha, hee, hee, hee....how we laughed.

Norm, you're such a fucking hippy.

[Stormin Norman]

If you found the question to be so boring, how come your attempts failed? Why did you not arrive at a solution, if you attempted it? Spelling errors, is that all you have to insult me with? Where were you with a solution to the bran question? Over 40 communists looked at that one, until Moskitto answered it.

[Stormin Norman]

Canikickit,

Here is a problem specifically for you. I hope this one won't insult your intelligence and end up boring you.

Ethane is chloronated in a continuous reactor:

C2H6 + Cl2 -----> C2H5Cl + HCl

Some of the product monochloroethane is further chlorinated in an undesired side reaction:

C2H5Cl + Cl2 ------> C2H4Cl2 + HCl

a.)Suppose your principle objective is to maximize the selectivity of monochloroethane production relative to dichloroethane production. Would you design the reactor for a high or low conversion of ethane? Explain your answer. (Hint: If the reactor contents remained in the reactor long enough for most of the ethane in the feed to be consumed, what would the main product constituent probably be?) What additional processing steps would almost certainly be carried out to make the process economically sound?

b.)Draw and label a flowchart, assuming that the reactor feed contians only the two reactants. Use a degree-of-freedon analysis based on atomic species balances to determine how many process variable values must be specified for you to be able to calculate the remainder.

c.)The reactor is designed to yield a 15% conversion of ethane and a selectivity of 14 mol C2H5Cl/ mol C2H4Cl2, with a neglible amount of chlorine in the product gas. Calculate the feed ratio (mol Cl2/mol C2H6) and the fractional yield of monochloroethane.

d.)Suppose the reactor is built and started up and the conversion is only 14%. Chromotographic analysis shows that there is no Cl2 in the product but another species with a molecular weight higher than that of dichloroethane is present. Offer a likely explanation of these results.

From:

Elementary Principles of Chemical Process; 3rd Edition; Richard M. Felder and Ronald W. Rousseau

Good Luck! This one took me over an hour from start to finish.

[canikickit]

No, I was only joking about the spelling mistakes.

I don't think that just because you find something boring you will suddenly become able to solve it. It makes it more difficult, if anything.

I wasn't on the internet during your "cookery" question. It was very easy, though.

I hate chemistry, but maybe I'll attempt it. Depends on lots of things.

[canikickit]

Norm, do you really think I should spend my time attempting to solve this? It took you over an hour, an you have often told us that science is your forte. I hate science and have had nothing to do with the study of chemistry for over 5 years.
It would take me several hours, no doubt, and I don't really want to learn all that crap again.
Sorry.

[Stormin Norman]

Not to worry, Can. I didn't expect that you would be capable of answering the question. For all the insults that I endure attacking my intelligence, it seems ironic that I have not found someone who can match my intellect on this board. Tell me, what does that say about those who try to demean me through petty insults?

If you do not understand the comparison I am trying to make, let me spell it out for you. There are some people who are beneath me. Regularly, I would not make this apparent, because it is not necessary in relating to other people. Given the circumstances, and the lack of respect, it becomes necessary for me to remind those mental midgets, who attempt to undermine my credibility with false statements about my ability, that they can only dream of achieving a comparable understanding of the world around them.

How many of you understand the science behind the most trivial products which most of you take for granted? How many of you would be contributors in reviving civilization if a catastrophic event made it necessary to rebuild our infrastructure? How many of you would sit idle while waiting for those around you to do it for you?

Why am I so opposed to socialism/communism? Because I understand the difference between people who can and those who can't. People with the skills needed to operate a business or develop new technology are a rare gift and deserve the fruits of their own labor, like all other people. When you start breaking down the distinction between somebody who maximizes their potential and somebody who does not, by saying that playing field ought to be leveled to accommodate those who do not, you effectively decrease the incentive for achievement. Assuming that this is true, I believe it is; where does that leave those of you who do not know the slightest bit about extracting the world's resources, engineering products for consumption, and creating new markets for the betterment of all humanity? Where is the incentive for educating one's self in these high arts? How does your egalitarian view solve these problems without first considering this perspective?

It is a fool who does not realize that socialism has a tendency to stagnate thought. Perhaps these fools deserve the world they would create. Unfortunately, those with ability and understanding must share the world with complete idiots, at least until we think our way off this planet, and leave those of you who do not yet understand this reality behind, in the chaos you have created for yourselves. Personally, I can not wait for the day that I no longer have to deal with ignorance, and can utter the words via con dios to the worst of humanity.

[Kehoe]

A socialist society will not be built with the dull weapons inherited from capitalism.These skills you speak of that are needful to operate a business or develop new technology are nothing more than the art of manipulation,exploitation and the continual movement towards mechanization which only serves the privlieged few while throwing more and more people into unemployment,poverty and utter deprivation.You state that these select people which are a rare gift deserve the fruits of their labor,since they wish to eliminate as much man-power as possible with greater dependence on a mechanized work-force so as to decrease wage-spending and further increase personal profits ... let them give the fruits to their fucking machinery.You also stated"When you start breaking down the distinction between somebody who maximizes their potential and somebody who does not, by saying that playing field ought to be leveled to accommodate those who do not, you effectively decrease the incentive for achievement."Someone that maximizes their potential? ... come out and say it,someone who is born into the higher social strata has by right of birth potential to increase his inherited fortune by applying greater means of exploitation.Che asked the question which I will paraphrase,"Why should we accept that which is as though it has to be?"I ve seen the potential offered to the poverty-stricken masses by this capitalist regime,the deliberate spread of drugs in the black community so as to enslave them with new chains,the refusal of financial funds for the betterment of rural areas peopled with white and black alike.Such injustices are far too many to categorically list but suffice it to say there are many areas within the U.S. whose conditions are no better than those among third-world countries.So youre a happy-cappie,then again why not,a master doesnt see the injustice in slavery.Nicholas and his royal family were once a happy lot until the Bolsheviks introduced them to sadness.Why are you so opposed to socialism/communism?you ask ... its quite simple,because when socialism arrives you ll have no fetch-boys to kiss your shoe-laces.

[Stormin Norman]

"A socialist society will not be built with the dull weapons inherited from capitalism"

By all means, explain to me how your system will solve economic problems enxountered by all command economies.

"These skills you speak of that are needful to operate a business or develop new technology are nothing more than the art of manipulation,exploitation and the continual movement towards mechanization which only serves the privlieged few while throwing more and more people into unemployment,poverty and utter deprivation"

These kinds of accusations demonstrate your inability to fully comprehend the nature of life itself. Tell me, do you not benefit from increased quality of life resulting from technological improvments? You sit here on the internet and talk to me about the perils of capitalism. Free-markets have greatly enhanced my life, bringing me cheaper products and a plethora of goods to choose from. Sure everyone can not afford a plasma screen T.V. right now, but with further development and increased demand there will reach a day when they are commonplace. If anything, I have seen improvement in education and a growing middle-class with the advances in science and technology. The types of skills that result in higher wages, and necessary to increase living standards are being offered at rates never before seen.

"You state that these select people which are a rare gift deserve the fruits of their labor,since they wish to eliminate as much man-power as possible with greater dependence on a mechanized work-force so as to decrease wage-spending and further increase personal profits"

Technological unemployment, you say. What a farce! Ask any economist about this myth. Again skills necessary to increase living wages, also necessary to implement new standards of production are being sought after in record numbers. Those who do not have formal education are able to get high paying jobs and put themselves into the position to become the business class.

"come out and say it,someone who is born into the higher social strata has by right of birth potential to increase his inherited fortune by applying greater means of exploitation"

True, there are some people who are born into the priviledged class, but their parent's decision to spend their money giving them a sheltered life is a right of choice. You will find that many successful entrepenuers have had to overcome severe adversity sometime in their life. People who can overcome setbacks and adapt to harsh environments will most likely succeed in life's ventures. The key distinction that must be made when comparing capitalism to slavery is the fact that their are no formal regulations barring the working class from ascending into the other classes and visa versa. The rich can also end up poor by making bad decisions. It's that whole freedom of choice thing that really infuriates those on the left.

"So youre a happy-cappie,then again why not,a master doesnt see the injustice in slavery.Nicholas and his royal family were once a happy lot until the Bolsheviks introduced them to sadness.Why are you so opposed to socialism/communism?you ask ... its quite simple,because when socialism arrives you ll have no fetch-boys to kiss your shoe-laces."

Your making the mistake of assuming that someone who defends a system of justice is profiting from it. Contrary to what you may believe, the rich are not the only ones who belief in the equity of fair markets. Everyone has a chance to aspire for greatness. It is what one does with that choice that matters. Even if I could afford servants, I would not employ them, as I feel this would be as degrading to me as it is to them. I am capable of fetching my own slippers, although I do not own a pair. I do expect to be compensated for my ability, as I expect to be able to keep what I earn, and use my wealth as I see fit. I know this is a notion foreign to the looters who openly advocate theft, but fair is fair.

[Moskitto]

no offense, but we were taught that Cl2 + C2H6 --> C2H4Cl2 + H2, or is that Cl2 + C2H4?

[Stormin Norman]

I think that was stated in the problem, Moskitto. The problem clearly states that it is being chlorinated, meaning a Chlorine atom is bumping off a hydrogen somewhere on the hydrocarbon. The extent of how many Hydrogens are replaced is part of the problem statement, and depends on a number of variables. Obviously this is a two step reaction. C2H6 + Cl2 does get to C2H4Cl2. That is the undesired reaction. You want the reaction to stop where C2H5Cl is the major product, and the undesired product is kept at a minimal.

[Moskitto]

ok, that's clear now,

[abstractmentality]

i would attempt the question SN, but i am seriously sick and tired of chemistry right now. i have been studying for a while, since we had a midterm friday, and i dont feel like doing any more chemistry than i need to do. The question you posted a page back does make sense though, and i think i could have solved it.

[Stormin Norman]

Oh, I forgot to mention that when the H gets bumped off it will possess a + charge. Since Chlorine is reacting, thus leaving Cl ions floating about with a - charge. The two ions will have a tendency to bond forming HCl. I believe that is the most probable reaction mechanism. Hydrochloric acid is more likely to form than molecular hydrogen.

[Stormin Norman]

I thought I would go back and revisit the last question I posed. I will answer part a for all of those people who secretly give a shit.


a.)

-I would design the reactor to have a low conversion of ethane, since producing more of monchloroethane would also yield greater amounts of the undesired product. If the conversion were conducted at a rate where the monchloroethane concentrations in the reactor became high enough, then more of the C2H5Cl would accumulate, thus increasing the probability for greater amounts of the undesired C2H4Cl2. The less desired product formed in the reactor, the lower the amount of undesired product formed.

-Carefull consideration should be given the reaction rates of the two separate reactions to determine the optimal molar flow rates and relative concentrations of the reactants. Furthermore, kinetics could provide insight into what the optimal temperature the reaction should be carried out at to favor the desired product over the undesired. The right choice in catalysts could also help lower the activation energy of the first reaction thereby increasing the rate of production of the product. If this energy is lower than that of the secondary reaction then the probability for greater amounts of the desired product exists.

-I think the best way to produce the monochloroethane would be to pump a large amount of ethane in with a small amount of chlorine. Siphening the product out of the reactor quickly is also necessary for this type of production. I would then use some method of separation to isolate the desired product from the unreacted ethane. The left over ethane would then be recycled back to the feed stream for the reactor.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 3:00 am on Nov. 28, 2002)