US debt clock - US living in the RED

[peaccenicked]

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock


The estimated population of the United States is 288,577,642
so each citizen's share of this debt is $21,624.63.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1,140 million per day since September 28, 2001!
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(Edited by peaccenicked at 8:17 am on Oct. 13, 2002)

[Iepilei]

man, it's a mind-trip to just sit there hitting 'refresh'... watching the numbers in the tens of thousands go up every second.

[canikickit]

The estimated population of the United States is 288,577,642
so each citizen's share of this debt is $21,624.63.

Well, each citizens dept is gone up to $21,729.20 now.

The dept was $6,240,202,930,608

It is now: $6,276,586,333,715.34

Not so bad. It's only gone up 36 million in 31 days.

[Capitalist Imperial]

the national debt is a paper tiger.

no one can enforce it, and our GDP comps for it as well.

[canikickit]

no one can enforce it,


Who writes your jokes?

So you are advocating dishonerable practices? Not surprising.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from canikickit on 8:18 pm on Nov. 14, 2002

no one can enforce it,




So you are advocating dishonerable practices? Not surprising.

americas benefits and contributions to the world far outweigh its debts

america is also owed billions, too

[canikickit]

blah, blah, blah....

If you owe people money, you ought to pay them back. I'm not saying you are the only country that owes money or anything, but making statements like "no one can enforce it" is not very intelligent.
It's stupid.
It's also quite amusing, the way some nationalists/racists go on about America superiority and perfection, while this contradicts that.

[Jaha]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:47 pm on Nov. 14, 2002
americas benefits and contributions to the world far outweigh its debts


hmmm.....

i thought about this for a long time and i decided that when acting in national interest, it hardy counts as a contrabution. but then i said "what the hell, let national interst count too". and then i thought and thought. **thinking**

**thinking**

**thought**

well, i concluded that the U$ has made no significant contrabutions. (unless you count 2 nukes to japan, hegemony over the americas, unbridled dictatorship over the UN, the invention of the light bulb, the creation of a 350 year slave trade, genocide on at least two counts, "manifest destiny", imperialism, etc.)

wait, in retrospect, maybe the world is better because of us. BETTER LOOKING. we look like crap...

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Jaha on 5:30 am on Nov. 15, 2002

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:47 pm on Nov. 14, 2002
americas benefits and contributions to the world far outweigh its debts


hmmm.....

i thought about this for a long time and i decided that when acting in national interest, it hardy counts as a contrabution. but then i said "what the hell, let national interst count too". and then i thought and thought. **thinking**

**thinking**

**thought**

well, i concluded that the U$ has made no significant contrabutions. (unless you count 2 nukes to japan, hegemony over the americas, unbridled dictatorship over the UN, the invention of the light bulb, the creation of a 350 year slave trade, genocide on at least two counts, "manifest destiny", imperialism, etc.)

wait, in retrospect, maybe the world is better because of us. BETTER LOOKING. we look like crap...

the light bulb and...

the airplane

nuclear power

generated electricity

the assembly line

the radio

the television

the personal computer you are using right now

the artificial heart

the telegraph

the telephone

the internet you are on right now

the artificial heart

polio vaccine

rock n' roll, jazz, blues, and hip-hop

the space shuttle

#1 funder and leader of the international space station

soon we will bring the world the segway ht and nanotechnology

we also contribute more $$$ and direct humanitarian aid in disasters than any other nation by far, and we provide billions in debt relief, much more than any other nation

it looks like you forgot a few things, Jaha

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 8:17 pm on Nov. 15, 2002)


(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 8:21 pm on Nov. 15, 2002)


(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 8:22 pm on Nov. 15, 2002)

[Frosty]

So you think that if the us didn't invent those things, they would never be invented?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Frosty on 8:42 pm on Nov. 15, 2002
So you think that if the us didn't invent those things, they would never be invented?

it's just that the vast majority of truly revolutionary inventions in technology and culture within the last 100 years have come from the USA

it is obviously not just a coincindence

[Goldfinger]

You're right, the Americans are superior. USA is after all a nation under God. Sieg heil Bush!!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 12:08 am on Nov. 16, 2002
You're right, the Americans are superior. USA is after all a nation under God. Sieg heil Bush!!

Come on, AW, I never said America was superior.

[Goldfinger]

OK, so you mean capitalism is? Because it's only good for the richest people of the world, so you have to admit it's discriminating...

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 1:01 am on Nov. 16, 2002
OK, so you mean capitalism is? Because it's only good for the richest people of the world, so you have to admit it's discriminating...


in a way, it is, but it also provides the most freedom and opportunity to cross class barriers. like any system, there is a trade off

[peaccenicked]

The only class barriers that capitalism gives people (scabs) an oppurtunity to cross are picket lines.

[Goldfinger]

in a way, it is, but it also provides the most freedom and opportunity to cross class barriers. like any system, there is a trade off

I agree that it sounds nice in theory, but it's currently not working in practice. Companies end up getting monopolies. I'm a social democrat, which means I support people who want to start their own buisniesses, but I don't like it when they start their corporate imperialism. That makes starting a buisniess hard.

[Moskitto]

I take it you've never heard of John Logie Baird who was Scottish and invented, the Television.

Unless of course your talking about that better electronic television that EMI developed.

[MaxB]

Yes, the national debt will be lowered considerably once Europe (and others) pays us the billions and billions they owe us.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 10:15 am on Nov. 16, 2002
The only class barriers that capitalism gives people (scabs) an oppurtunity to cross are picket lines.


you obviously don't live in the US, or you do and are blind

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 2:20 pm on Nov. 16, 2002

in a way, it is, but it also provides the most freedom and opportunity to cross class barriers. like any system, there is a trade off

I agree that it sounds nice in theory, but it's currently not working in practice. Companies end up getting monopolies. I'm a social democrat, which means I support people who want to start their own buisniesses, but I don't like it when they start their corporate imperialism. That makes starting a buisniess hard.


starting a business is not hard. thousands do it every day. you rent a facility, you buy a business licennce. as a matter of fact, the US is the easiest nation on earth in which to start a business. what is your logic?

and apparently, it is good in theory and practice. how do you figure is it not working in america, the most successful nation in history? it looks to me like it works better than anything ever has!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 3:42 pm on Nov. 16, 2002
I take it you've never heard of John Logie Baird who was Scottish and invented, the Television.

No, sir, it was American philo farnsworth that invented the TV, moskitto, we've been through this before

Unless of course your talking about that better electronic television that EMI developed.

[Goldfinger]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:24 pm on Nov. 16, 2002
it looks to me like it works better than anything ever has!

30 million americans live in poverty. 45 million americans live without healthcare. 100 million americans did not vote during the previous election, because of the lack of a real choise on the ballot. Some US workers get paid 17% of what their work is really worth. Since George W. Bush took office, unemployment has gone up by 35%.

And, he gave the richest 1% of Americans a $1.6 trillion tax cut!!!



that's $1 600 000 000 000. Oh, look at all the zeros.

YOU'RE RIGHT! THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!!!!!!!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 8:15 pm on Nov. 15, 2002

Quote: from Jaha on 5:30 am on Nov. 15, 2002

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:47 pm on Nov. 14, 2002
americas benefits and contributions to the world far outweigh its debts


hmmm.....

i thought about this for a long time and i decided that when acting in national interest, it hardy counts as a contrabution. but then i said "what the hell, let national interst count too". and then i thought and thought. **thinking**

**thinking**

**thought**

well, i concluded that the U$ has made no significant contrabutions. (unless you count 2 nukes to japan, hegemony over the americas, unbridled dictatorship over the UN, the invention of the light bulb, the creation of a 350 year slave trade, genocide on at least two counts, "manifest destiny", imperialism, etc.)

wait, in retrospect, maybe the world is better because of us. BETTER LOOKING. we look like crap...

the light bulb and...

the airplane

nuclear power

generated electricity

the assembly line

the radio

the television

the personal computer you are using right now

the artificial heart

the telegraph

the telephone

the internet you are on right now

the artificial heart

polio vaccine

rock n' roll, jazz, blues, and hip-hop

the space shuttle

#1 funder and leader of the international space station

soon we will bring the world the segway ht and nanotechnology

we also contribute more $$$ and direct humanitarian aid in disasters than any other nation by far, and we provide billions in debt relief, much more than any other nation

it looks like you forgot a few things, Jaha

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 8:17 pm on Nov. 15, 2002)


(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 8:21 pm on Nov. 15, 2002)


(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 8:22 pm on Nov. 15, 2002)


Jaha, address this!

[Moskitto]

as a matter of fact, the US is the easiest nation on earth in which to start a business.

I'm fairly sure that would be Uruguay, Argantina and Chile which have traditionally the most laissez-faire markets in the world where most things are privatised (although sport isn't) and there aren't many regulations on things, but I could be wrong.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 11:41 pm on Nov. 21, 2002

as a matter of fact, the US is the easiest nation on earth in which to start a business.

I'm fairly sure that would be Uruguay, Argantina and Chile which have traditionally the most laissez-faire markets in the world where most things are privatised (although sport isn't) and there aren't many regulations on things, but I could be wrong.

well, yes, you are right> I was talkinf about 1st world, industrialised nations where you can actually make a decent living.