DMZ - Korea

[IzmSchism]

I was in north Korea today, specifically Pam Num Jom overseen by the JSA or the Joint Security Agents, those comprised of the ROK soldiers (Republic of Korea) and the US Army. There motto is "We Stand in front of them all." In deed they do. I stood in the peace negotiations room, saw the 'bridge of no return' where the two US officers were axed down. Overall it was a pretty rad experience, I'll try and post my diggy pics later for those interested. I am trying to get into North Korea to do the DMZ their styles.

Later I was talking to some SKoreans, who I work with and asked them about the reunification of both Koreas. Well all were in favour, but the real suprise was that they were aloof in there care over who would have control after? Personally, North korea is so in the tank that they really have no economic sway to bring to the table. A Dutch China man who has NKorean citizenship is opening a small province within NKorea open to all, even Skoreans for trade. This may be the sign of things to come.........we'll see.



(Edited by IzmSchism at 2:09 pm on Oct. 12, 2002)

[Sulla the Dictator]

North Korea is a monsterous regime, even when measuring them against other Communist nations. I hope the S. Koreans you talked to are in a minority, otherwise they're mad.

I read a report about the famine in N. Korea a few years back, when their Dictator/King (Rolls eyes) had a pizza party for his birthday while there were reports of some starving rural peasants driven to eating grass to supliment their diets.

[Ymir]

Such is the price of greatness.

[IzmSchism]

well Pam Num Jom is on the border, it is where the UN armistice treaty was signed post korean war, so the south koreans were there stationed serving their mandatory 26 month military service.

And as for the price you have to pay for greatness, what are you talking about? Kim Sung il, the successor to his father, and when in a communist country do you have feudal rule? Anyways, he isn't worth a pot to piss in, Kim is a joke, suspected terrorist, as well a horrible ruler who is driving his hermit country into the ground.

[man in the red suit]

yeah I would have to agree with Izm on that. (Kim Sung Il not being worth a pot to piss in)

Izm, how can you possibly get into north Korea without getting killed? and why would you want to go there in the first place?

(Edited by man in the red suit at 10:21 am on Oct. 13, 2002)

[IzmSchism]

why not, if you can get in. it's one of the hardest countries to get into currently. maybe that is why i like it, plus I want to see for myself how this communist thing looks like.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Quote: from Ymir on 11:17 am on Oct. 13, 2002
Such is the price of greatness.


Mass murder and bone chilling poverty, with a side of savage brutality? That is the price of greatness?

[Xvall]

I think he is being sarcastic. Unless he's a stalinist and I don't know about it. Most communists here do not support N. Korea.

[new democracy]

ymir is a stalinist!!! check his signature!!!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Fuck north Korea

we should have nuked them when we had the chance

it is ok, though, as they, as well as the other members of the axis of evil, will soon feel the power of american military might reigning down justice upon their dictatorial regimes

[Cassius Clay]

I reserve judement on North Korea, all I have heard so far is from the same people who said the Contras and Taliban were freedom fighters or that Saddam was doing wonderful things for the Arab world.

'Mass Murder' I am not aware of any delibarate mass murder on behalf of the North Korean Government. They have had their fair share of bad luck in the form of natural diasters though. Not to mention having to gear their economy into a permanent state of war for 50 years due to U$ Imperialism.

BTW all of you who criticise Kim are you aware that two oposition parties exist in the North and are entitled to a few hours press every week? Although perhaps some criticism of the 'Great Leader and Teacher' himself may be better, although to be fair he has declared a fight against the corruption and beucracy.

Capitalist Imperial, perhaps if you removed those 40,000 troops who the South Korean and American workers have to pay to keep their then there might be a chance for peace.

Anyway the U$ won't beat them, the North Airforce is so primitive that F-18's won't stand a chance.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Cassius Clay on 6:05 pm on Oct. 13, 2002

Anyway the U$ won't beat them, the North Airforce is so primitive that F-18's won't stand a chance.

What in the heck are you talking about? The US Naval airwings alone would easily defeat North Korean air power. What is your logic? What would the F-18's not stand a chance against?

[Cassius Clay]

I was being sarcastic. Put it this way, have you ever seen the simpsons episode where sideshow Bob fly's away in a WW1 era biplane and is pursued by harriers? If so you will understand, if not to put it simply the harriers can't shoot the biplane because their missiles can't lock onto it.

Now Harriers are about 20 years old, so a comparision between a MiG 21 and a F-18 is almost like the above. Get it?

BTW how long until the F-22 Raptors come into service? If they haven't allready.

[IzmSchism]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:50 pm on Oct. 13, 2002
Fuck north Korea

we should have nuked them when we had the chance

it is ok, though, as they, as well as the other members of the axis of evil, will soon feel the power of american military might reigning down justice upon their dictatorial regimes


oh CI, you should have nuked them when you had the chance, yes, great idea. You already impeded the reunification of Korea by placing Sigmun Rhee post Japanese Colonization. With him and general hodge and backed by US dead prez paying for the youth groups to terrorize korean citizens much like the north would soon do. By placing this leader in a puppet like control, one who spent 40 years of his life in the US and spoke english, and ousting another candidate for the position who probably would have mended north south relations, but no, you had to get in the way, and maintain military control from the spread of communism, which in itself can self destruct just fine thanks.

[PaulDavidHewson]

"Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:50 pm on Oct. 13, 2002
Fuck north Korea

we should have nuked them when we had the chance

it is ok, though, as they, as well as the other members of the axis of evil, will soon feel the power of american military might reigning down justice upon their dictatorial regimes "


Explain to me again please why the USA is suddenly the hand of god.
Also, you are saying it is bad that the WTC was destroyed, but it's good to destroy millions of innocent people by nuking them?

Also, why do you believe the moral values of the USA should be forced upon the rest of the world?
That sounds like Nazi plans to me the way you state them.

[ComradeJunichi]

Hey your in Korea right now? Damn, I want to go back so badly. I was forced to move to America, I fucking hate it here. I'm in school and I almost got my ass kicked today. I'm in the library.
How was the DMZ visit? I've been there too, it's pretty cool crossing that line, heh.

[KickMcCann]

Cassius Clay:

Hmm, opposition parties in DPRK? You've sparked an interest in me; would you care to elaborate on this opposition?

:confused:

[Cassius Clay]

KickMcCann, here you go, the source is defiantly anti-Communist yet it states that there are opposition parties, but of course it just brushes over this just claiming that they have no real voice.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/world/northkorea.htm

The link also provides other stuff on North Korea although most of it is anti-North the bit on the constituion is interesting (if you ingnore the introduction in praise of Kim II Sung).

If you wan't anymore info on what the opposition parties role is and how much room they have to criticise the government then just say so and I will try to find something.

[KickMcCann]

Of course I'm interested, I'd love to know about the opposition, and a lot of people would too I bet.