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Venezolano

12th October 2002, 11:42

Reasons why the bolivarian pro communist revolution in Venezuela is hated by the 80%

-$95.000.000.000 is the total of the money that Venezuela has got from the OIL in these 3 years and the people ask themselves, where is that money? more poors, more misery... where did that money go?

-With the bolivarian pro communist goverment of Chavez the corruption is worst than ever.

-The criminals were liberated from jail to join the Bolivarian Circles to defend the revolution.

-The hospitals and schools and universities now are a disaster.

-There is no money to pay the medics, proffesors, teaches, ect. Instead Chavez use that money to pay the bolivarian circles to create panic.

-Chavez started 3 years ago with 70% of popularity and now he has only 20%... even the poor people hate him.

-The inflation is now at 19% and growing.

-Chavez received the country in february of 1999 with only 11% of unemployment, now the unemployment is in 22% and by the end of this year (if he isnt overthrown before) the unemployment is going to be on 25%.

-The industries and enterprises broke.

-The factories of the most industrialized city of Venezuela (Carabobo) do not work anymore, because the industries and enterprises broke and there is no money to maintain the factories and the employes or workers.

-The crime is now skyrocketing compared to 3 years ago.

-Chavez is trying to disband the venezuela armed forces (FAN) because he knows the FAN dislike him for betraying the country allowing cuban agents to penetrate the country and allowing colombian guerrillas to use the venezuelan territory as a base. His plan is to disband the FAN to use his BOLIVARIAN CIRCLES (criminals and mercenaries) to help him to stay in power.

- 4 snipers that killed people on abril 11 were under chavez's order.

- The people that were shooting with pistols on abril 11 that were caught on camera, were from the MVR (Movimiento Quinta Republica) the political party of Chavez and one of them confesed that he was obligated to shoot to the people or he would lose his job.

-The people in the goverment before being in the goverment were people of the low and middle class, now in three years they have expensive cars, their childrens study in expensive school, they live in expensive houses. In other words they live like kings. And that is without talking about the clothes that Chavez uses. Chavez uses a $25.000 watch, clothes around $1000 and $20.000. What a great revolutionary this guy, he is living like a king, while venezuela is getting everyday poor. And in the next month he is going to give another economic measure that is going to make more poor the people.

-The economy is about to collapse, the social situation in the same position, and the military too. Chavez the most hated person in Venezuela. Despite what people from outside of venezuela (who dont know anything) say, the reality is that 55% of the Venezuelan people want a COUP and the other 45% support a constitutional end of the chavez regime.

The statistic and information come from http://www.globovision.com , www.adiospresidente.com , http://www.el-nacional.com and the Venezuelan Bank.

(Edited by Venezolano at 10:36 pm on Oct. 13, 2002)

Guardia Bolivariano

12th October 2002, 14:42

Y como carajo me explicas que magicamente se materializara el pueblo para salvar al presidente de los facistas?Chavez no lo tumba nadie y los escualidos estan mal.Los pobres estan con Chavez y son la mayoria.No pasaran!

Panamarisen

12th October 2002, 16:40

Venezolano, if you read carefully, this right-winged newspaper you mentioned at www.el-nacional.com has a long letter for the Venezuelan people by Ernesto Sábato (I assume you already know who this most important Argentinian writer is). Well, in fact, the letter has to do with the effects of wild capitalism, neoliberalism and globalisationa all over the world. Venezuela, as most Latin American countries, is just another victim today. And think that the letter appeared in such newspaper...

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

12th October 2002, 17:13

I've never gotten the real story on what happened on April 11, 2002. This is what I have so far:

There was a protest against Chavez and Chavez' men fired on the crowd killing a few which incited a right wing coup that eventually failed.

If I'm right then Chavez is wrong. But so are the people that backed the failed coup. My understanding is that the US had something to do with the coup. Check out this link http://www.greenevents.fsnet.co.uk/art077.html

It's a short link but does claim that the coup was US backed. I think the people most likely want a socialist government and Chavez is the closest they have right now. If they rebel against Chavez then they have to deal with the right wingers who would be even worse than Chavez.

I think GB, this is why the people are on Chavez' side. I think the majority want him because he is lesser of the evils. But I guess the question is, did Chavez order the people to fire on the protest? If so, Chavez DID hurt people. (If I did not understand your spanish correctly, please let me know--my spanish is kind of weak but I think I have a general understanding of what you said.)

j

MaxB

12th October 2002, 20:40

While I agree that Venezuela was a cesspool of corruption, one doesn't have to go to the extreme Left to find a solution to the problems because Marxists never have any real solutions. Chavez is, at best, an uneducated Communist pig.

new democracy

12th October 2002, 20:52

you make me yawn MaxB.

Capitalist

12th October 2002, 21:43

I can tell you where some of that lost oil money went.

Fidel Castro's Pocket.

Chavez has sents barrels upon barrels of Venezuelan Oil to Cuba without a peso in return.

FREE OIL = Free for Who?

Guardia Bolivariano

13th October 2002, 05:06

Quote: from j on 5:13 pm on Oct. 12, 2002
I've never gotten the real story on what happened on April 11, 2002. This is what I have so far:

There was a protest against Chavez and Chavez' men fired on the crowd killing a few which incited a right wing coup that eventually failed.

If I'm right then Chavez is wrong. But so are the people that backed the failed coup. My understanding is that the US had something to do with the coup. Check out this link http://www.greenevents.fsnet.co.uk/art077.html

It's a short link but does claim that the coup was US backed. I think the people most likely want a socialist government and Chavez is the closest they have right now. If they rebel against Chavez then they have to deal with the right wingers who would be even worse than Chavez.

I think GB, this is why the people are on Chavez' side. I think the majority want him because he is lesser of the evils. But I guess the question is, did Chavez order the people to fire on the protest? If so, Chavez DID hurt people. (If I did not understand your spanish correctly, please let me know--my spanish is kind of weak but I think I have a general understanding of what you said.)

j

j what happened that they was planed ,in papers found before the day of the coup everything that happened was part of a master plan.It was a mistake to not take these documents seriously.The reason why some of the President's folowers (not in any case soldiers or police) fired their weapons was because they were getting shot by snipers shooting at them from a hotel.The oposition tries to make the world believe They were part of the president's men but the facts are that only one of them was venezuelan and all of them fled the country after the failed coup.The strategy was to use the crowd as a human shield so they could get the biggest amount of casualties so they could blame It on the goverment of Chavez.It almost worked but the people who were there that saw what happened told the real version of what happened and stated the movement agaisnt the coup.One of the most powerfull reasons that stands out from all of the other prrofs that the goverment has found is that you can't see in any of the videos of the shooters ,the target they're shooting at.A camera man could have easily taken the complete take.But this and other actions are explained in the secret documents that were made by the masterminds behind the coup.And finaly the reason people like Chavez is because he truely represents the typical venezuelan and he cares for the poor and his countrys he doesn't bend to Us demands or the demands of the rich dominant class of Venezuela that has made the country one of the most corrupt in the world.Proof that Chavez really cares about these issues is that he's still in power today.And don't believe everything you hear in the Anti-chavez press.

Guardia Bolivariano

13th October 2002, 05:12

Quote: from Capitalist on 9:43 pm on Oct. 12, 2002
I can tell you where some of that lost oil money went.

Fidel Castro's Pocket.

Chavez has sents barrels upon barrels of Venezuelan Oil to Cuba without a peso in return.

FREE OIL = Free for Who?

Hello my dumb friend I would just like to tell you that the agreement that Venezuela has with Cuba only alows Cuba to pay for our oil with other services or with extended credit ,but never for free.So before you come talking MOJON read up on the subject.

(Edited by Guardia Bolivariano at 5:15 am on Oct. 13, 2002)

Venezolano

13th October 2002, 05:52

Venezolano

13th October 2002, 05:53

Venezolano

13th October 2002, 05:55

Quote: from Guardia Bolivariano on 5:06 am on Oct. 13, 2002

Quote: from j on 5:13 pm on Oct. 12, 2002
I've never gotten the real story on what happened on April 11, 2002. This is what I have so far:

There was a protest against Chavez and Chavez' men fired on the crowd killing a few which incited a right wing coup that eventually failed.

If I'm right then Chavez is wrong. But so are the people that backed the failed coup. My understanding is that the US had something to do with the coup. Check out this link http://www.greenevents.fsnet.co.uk/art077.html

It's a short link but does claim that the coup was US backed. I think the people most likely want a socialist government and Chavez is the closest they have right now. If they rebel against Chavez then they have to deal with the right wingers who would be even worse than Chavez.

I think GB, this is why the people are on Chavez' side. I think the majority want him because he is lesser of the evils. But I guess the question is, did Chavez order the people to fire on the protest? If so, Chavez DID hurt people. (If I did not understand your spanish correctly, please let me know--my spanish is kind of weak but I think I have a general understanding of what you said.)

j

j what happened that they was planed ,in papers found before the day of the coup everything that happened was part of a master plan.It was a mistake to not take these documents seriously.The reason why some of the President's folowers (not in any case soldiers or police) fired their weapons was because they were getting shot by snipers shooting at them from a hotel.The oposition tries to make the world believe They were part of the president's men but the facts are that only one of them was venezuelan and all of them fled the country after the failed coup.The strategy was to use the crowd as a human shield so they could get the biggest amount of casualties so they could blame It on the goverment of Chavez.It almost worked but the people who were there that saw what happened told the real version of what happened and stated the movement agaisnt the coup.One of the most powerfull reasons that stands out from all of the other prrofs that the goverment has found is that you can't see in any of the videos of the shooters ,the target they're shooting at.A camera man could have easily taken the complete take.But this and other actions are explained in the secret documents that were made by the masterminds behind the coup.And finaly the reason people like Chavez is because he truely represents the typical venezuelan and he cares for the poor and his countrys he doesn't bend to Us demands or the demands of the rich dominant class of Venezuela that has made the country one of the most corrupt in the world.Proof that Chavez really cares about these issues is that he's still in power today.And don't believe everything you hear in the Anti-chavez press.

guardia bolivariano is just a marxist fanatic... just ignore this guy... everything that guardia bolivariano says is false. He is just trying to manipulate people with his lies.
Guardia bolivariano chavez se vaaaaa se va se va se vaaaaaa se vaaaaaaa se vaaaaaaa jajaja muerete de la arrechera jajajaja.

chewy

13th October 2002, 06:32

The prez-Chump will be dumped soon.

peaccenicked

13th October 2002, 06:43

As usual the delusion right wing are both blind and clueless.

''Palestine, Iraq, Cuba and Venezuela--What's Oil Got to Do With It?
The politics of the covert oil war, 2002 AD
By: Lee Siu Hin, PeaceNoWar.net
April 23, 2002

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Since April of this year, after U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell failed to make progress in his mission to Israel and Palestine, international oil prices have reached $25 per barrel -- 25% higher then the same period last year. And on April 8th Iraq announced its 30-day oil embargo to protest Israeli attacks on Palestine, and from April 12-14 Venezuela suffered a military coup that disrupted its oil supply.

When it comes to oil, there's no doubt: all eyes remain focused on Middle East production. Despite the large amount of oil coming from other major international producers such as Mexico, Russia and Venezuela, Iraq and the other major Gulf region oil producers (Iran, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia) still have a huge influence on the price of oil. Iraq's recent decision to cut off oil exports for one month will deeply affect the international oil market.

The United States, on the other hand, uses its military and political muscle to further its own economic interests. By undermining the international oil price, it sends an unquestionable message to the world: America is the only country that will decide who can produce, who
can sell, and who can buy at what price. The recent failed military coup against President Hugo Chavez is a clear example of how US oil interests undermine the democracy of Venezuela - a country who dares to sell oil to Cuba, who dares to go against the Iraqi oil embargo protesting
Israel's attacks on Palestine. And the US military has been in the Gulf region protecting corrupt Gulf oil monarchies since the 1990-91 Gulf war, most notably after September 11 in Afghanistan to further the US agenda.

It's the Oil, Stupid
The oil market is completely and artificially controlled by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) and Western powers such as the United States. For the past 10 years, although Mexico and Venezuela export more oil to the US then Gulf countries, Saudi Arabia and Iraq (Iran does not export oil to the US) are still the ones who control the price. "The international petroleum market is just like the orange juice section in the supermarket," an oil expert explains. "If one of the brand-name juices drops its price, the rest will be forced to
follow." Iraqi oil can be considered one of these brand name products. American military campaigns against Iraq are the determining factor for international oil prices, and - what is less widely known - are the best way to steal Iraqi oil.

During and after the Gulf war, when the United Nations was enforcing an oil/trade embargo against Iraq, the US openly denied that it was buying Iraqi oil, instead using the United Nations' "oil-for-food" program to purchase the cheap, below-market-price Iraqi oil behind closed doors.
Although this "oil-for-food" program was originally designed to "help" the Iraqi people while sanctions were maintained against the Iraqi government, nearly 40 percent of Iraq's oil exports end up on U.S. soil, going to Bush-friendly Texas and California based oil companies such as
Chevron, Exxon-Mobil, Valero and Clark.

After Israel attacked and occupied the West Bank this past March, on April 22 Iraqi President Saddam Hussein called on Arab oil exporters to stop sales to the United States and Israel, as well as to cut their exports in half. And he announced that Iraq would stop exporting oil for 30 days or until Israel withdraws from Palestinian territories, an announcement that triggered an immediate increase in world oil prices. The United Sates government and oil experts initially downplayed the impact of this announcement. Sen. Frank Murkowski (R-Alaska), a strong supporter of Alaskan oil-drilling, even called for prohibiting US direct and indirect imports of Iraqi oil in response to Saddam's action.

But the Bush administration opposes this Senate plan to ban U.S. imports of Iraqi oil out of concern it could "undermine a U.N. program to meet Iraq's humanitarian needs."

Therefore Venezuela has become a wild card for the US against the Iraq/Gulf region OPEC price monopoly. Although Venezuela is the third largest US oil exporter after Canada and Saudi Arabia, Venezuela's supply alone does not fundamentally affect international oil pricing. However, if the US depends less on oil from the Gulf and relies more on other cheap suppliers such as Mexico and Venezuela, it can undermine OPEC's price monopoly in favor of the US in the long run, and won't have to worry so much about the oil politics of those Gulf countries who are angry about US support for Israel's war on Palestine.

Compared with the Washington-friendly governments of Canada and Mexico, Venezuela's popularly elected president Hugo Chavez is not so friendly with Uncle Sam.

The US was angry at Venezuela's refusal to allow foreign oil companies to invest, at its continuing to sell oil to Cuba, at its using its OPEC membership status to maintain high oil prices, at its lack of support for "Plan Columbia" and at its criticism of the US "War on Terrorism." Washington worries that Venezuela will become a second Cuba, and that it will undermine American efforts to control the global oil market.

It was in this context, when international oil prices steady increased early this year, that strikes and mass protests initiated and organized by pro-U.S. Venezuelan business councils and pro-business right-wing trade unions spread across Venezuela's oil producing sector. For several
months, the Venezuelan oligarchy (jokingly referred to as the "oilygarchy"), its right-wing media and the U.S. government had been provoking civilian opposition to President Chavez, a deja-vu of the CIA-backed Chilean military coup against President Allende 30 years earlier. On April 12 when an ill-planned military coup against Chavez was attempted, the US supported the coup. Two days later when the coup failed and Chavez was back in power, Sen. Jesse Helms, the Foreign Relations Committee's top Republican, said he hoped that Chavez "has learned from his ordeal."

It remains to be seen how long Iraq, Venezuela and the situation in Palestine will affect the international oil market, but it's clear that in this round the US has lost the game. This loss will affect Bush's decisions on Palestine - he will not be able to risk further angering Middle Eastern countries, and may have to delay the planned mass military campaign against Iraq.

Is Somebody's Loss Someone Else's Gain?
Ironically, while the US and western countries would like to see lower oil prices, on the flip side of the coin higher oil prices mean more income for US oil companies and boosted investment returns for oil-related mutual funds.

In New York, for example, oil-related stocks comprise about 85% of Excelsior's Energy and Natural Resources Funds portfolio, said Michael Hoover, the fund's manager. And today's higher oil price --influenced by OPEC -- means more return on oil-related investments. "The price
isn't so high that it chokes growth, but high enough that they've a good return on investment," Hoover said.

Higher oil prices mean more secure profits for some oil companies as well, such as Exxon Mobile Corp. Oil stocks act as a hedge when instability in the Middle East unhinges much of the market.

It is clear that one of the reasons the US maintains the Iraqi sanctions is to allow the major oil companies to reap huge profits. Yet the overriding motivation behind US policies is to retain hegemony over the oil-rich Persian Gulf which provides about a quarter of the world's oil. Above all, the goal is to send an unmistakable message: that any country bold enough to stand up to the US will reap the same unprecedented and brutal consequences inflicted upon Iraq.''

Guardia Bolivariano

13th October 2002, 14:58

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USA has nothing to do with the "coup"...april 11 people went to the streets to protest against chavez and chavez's bolivarian groups fired at the oposition march and killed 19, then chavez ordered the military to masacre the oposition march and the military command opposed, and seeing that chavez had violated the constitution, the military decided to take chavez down and put him in prison.... then a new president came and messed everything up and the military had to put chavez in power again....
USA has nothing to do with the coup... and those links you have there are left-wing websites. People in venezuela hates chavez..poors hated chavez. Everyone hates chavez..

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If the US had nothing to do with the coup why did american war ships enter our waters the day of the coup?And why did the plane that was suppose to take Chavez to an other country come from Miami?And the only ones that hate Chavez are the ones who lost their piece of pie ,sorry but the good life is over no more Miami for you guys.Viva la revolucion Bolivariana!

Guardia Bolivariano

13th October 2002, 15:04

guardia bolivariano is just a marxist fanatic... just ignore this guy... everything that guardia bolivariano says is false. He is just trying to manipulate people with his lies.
Guardia bolivariano chavez se vaaaaa se va se va se vaaaaaa se vaaaaaaa se vaaaaaaa jajaja muerete de la arrechera jajajaja.
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The only lies come from you but nobody believes you anyway my little bastard friend.Y sinceramente chamin si sigues con la groseria tendre que acusarte con tu novio ji ji ji ji.EL COMANDANTE VOLVIO VOLVIO VOLVIO VOLVIO!CHAVEZ VOLVIO!

(Edited by Guardia Bolivariano at 3:07 pm on Oct. 13, 2002)

VENEZUELANSOLDIER

13th October 2002, 15:25

I AGREE WITH YOU VENEZOLANO, ALSO THE REAL PEOPLE WAS IN THE STREETS ON PAST 10/10 ALMOST 2 MILLIONS ASKING FOR CHAVEZ'S LEAVE. THE MOST OF THE VENEZUELA PEOPLE WOULD SUPPORT THAT MILITARS TAKES CHAVEZ DOWN AND PUT HIM IN PRISION.

peaccenicked

13th October 2002, 17:33

Who supports the coup?http://www.revolutionarycommunistgroup.com...67/167_ven.html (http://www.revolutionarycommunistgroup.com/frfi/167/167_ven.html)

Guardia Bolivariano

13th October 2002, 20:28

Quote: from VENEZUELANSOLDIER on 3:25 pm on Oct. 13, 2002
I AGREE WITH YOU VENEZOLANO, ALSO THE REAL PEOPLE WAS IN THE STREETS ON PAST 10/10 ALMOST 2 MILLIONS ASKING FOR CHAVEZ'S LEAVE. THE MOST OF THE VENEZUELA PEOPLE WOULD SUPPORT THAT MILITARS TAKES CHAVEZ DOWN AND PUT HIM IN PRISION.

Today The same cuantaty If not more people took to the streets to show the world that the people of Venezuela suport Chavez is funny that they're aren't any comments about today's demonstration.You can't stop the revolution.

Panamarisen

14th October 2002, 00:14

Usually, the opinion of the people is not known... Citizens only know what they read in the newspapers, that actually happen to be what the right-winged want to hear about..., which means only those that got a lot of economic interests.

I´ve lived in Panama for about 14 years... I know what I´m talking about!

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE! (damn it!!!)

Panamarisen

15th October 2002, 00:23

Link for this topic:

www.granma.cubaweb.cu/2002/10/14/interna/articulo03.html

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

16th October 2002, 01:36

what does "acusarte" mean?

j

Borincano

16th October 2002, 02:15

Quote: from j on 7:36 pm on Oct. 15, 2002
what does "acusarte" mean?

To accuse you.