BUSH'S SPEECH ON IRAQ - Mazdak should have a special interes

[anti machine]

Last night at 8:00 PM Bush spoke live to the nation adressing the problem of Iraq. HE called Saddam Hussein a "student of Stalin" who uses terrorism and murder to keep his people in line. He also said that Iraq stands alone as the great world evil.
It was interesting to hear Bush make such claims against Saddam, as I believe Bush needed to take his own bitter indictments to heart. Do I think Saddam is evil? yes. But who are we to be the ones that take him out? IN a world of hypocrisy, the U.S. is the great hypocrite. I would love to see Bush accompany Saddam to his grave.

But that's only in a perfect world...

Any comments about his speech are welcome.

[antieverything]

This talk about good and evil isn't fooling anybody. We will look back at this in a few years and shudder.

[canikickit]

His speech was quite amusing, I didn't get to see the whole thing though...

Every couple of minutes I was able to say to myself;
"you did that too"
or "sounds like the US"

[bluerev002]

yah, if that speach was on the radio and i wouldnt of recognized that voice of his, i woulda thought they were talking about da US, with some special edits of course

[Guest]

I should imagine, that any dictator in a country where his power is not necessarily secure, and constantly influenced to fight against him by outsiders, following stalin's teachings would be a good idea.

Besides, he can't be anywhere near as hated as bush says, his own people made a poster for him with their own blood. (No he didn't organise it)

[PaulDavidHewson]

Yes, I wonder what happened to Bush's promise to become more Isolationist.
All that election Isolationist crap went straight out the window after 9/11 I guess.

[Guest]

THe "isolationist" idea had to go out the window, if you think otherwise you are a fucking idiot. I agree Bush is going to new levels of Zeal in this war on terrorism, but its his duty to the AMerican public to keep us safe at all costs.

[PaulDavidHewson]

yes, keeping you safe by destroying the rest?
Since when is the american public exalted above the rest of the world?

Who's going to have to clean up after US leaves the middle east again?

Bush's hit and run tactics are cowardice and hardly solve anything

[anti machine]

paul david, i agree w/ you, except for that last line: "Bush's hit and run tactics are cowardice and ardly solve anything." It is my understanding that hit and run is the definition of guerilla warfare, the father of which is the image of this website, who is by no means a "coward". Explain exactly how Bush has practiced "hit and run".

[KickMcCann]

Well, unfortunatly, Bush's main job is to protect the American people above all others. He isn't president of the world, just the USA.
Chirac cares more about France than he does Burma, Shroeder cares more about Germany than he does Zimbabewe, Koizumi cares more about Japan than he does Mexico. What makes Bush any different?
It is the opinion of the American people that count to Bush, not the public opinion of say, Thailand. Just as any leader of any country is more concerned about his persona at home than abroad.
After Harry Truman left the presidency, he went around giving speeches and lectures like all former presidents do. At one lecture a college student asked him: " How could you make the decision to use the A-bomb on Japan, knowing it would kill thousands, and how can you live with it today?" Truman replied: " It was simple, I was the president of the USA, not the president of Japan; my main concern was the American lives that would be lost in a ground invasion, not the Japanese live lost in a war against Japan."

Though my quote isn't exact, it makes the point.
You may not like it, I may not like it, but it's just the way things are.

(Edited by KickMcCann at 7:40 pm on Oct. 10, 2002)

[PaulDavidHewson]

"paul david, i agree w/ you, except for that last line: "Bush's hit and run tactics are cowardice and ardly solve anything." It is my understanding that hit and run is the definition of guerilla warfare, the father of which is the image of this website, who is by no means a "coward". Explain exactly how Bush has practiced "hit and run". "


Well, guerilla use hit and run because they are otherwise outnumbered. They intend to stay once they defeated their enemy.

USA however goes in with overwheleming land/air/sea superiority, kicks ass and goes away again without really resolving anything.
USA used hit and run in the gulf war, vietnam, korea and maybe afghanistan, but that is yet being developt.

[anti machine]

I see paul. Agreed.

[new democracy]

Quote: from anti machine on 12:35 am on Oct. 9, 2002
HE called Saddam Hussein a "student of Stalin"
from reading some report about saddam, his house is full of stalin books!!!

[LeonardoDaVinci]

Saddam, Stalin. They are both barbaric and murderous pieces of shit who epitomise mankind's dark side. You could add to those, George W, Reagan, and Kissinger.

[Libertarius]

"from reading some report about saddam, his house is full of stalin books!!!"

I highly doubt that Saddam lets average people into his house (he probably has many) to report on his book collection, he'd be more secretive than that, he'd have to be.

Also, I have plenty of books on Stalin and Stalinism, yet I do not agree with his ideals or actions. There is nothing wrong with being well-read.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from KickMcCann on 7:38 pm on Oct. 10, 2002
Well, unfortunatly, Bush's main job is to protect the American people above all others. He isn't president of the world, just the USA.
It is the opinion of the American people that count to Bush, not the public opinion of say, Thailand. Just as any leader of any country is more concerned about his persona at home than abroad.
After Harry Truman left the presidency, he went around giving speeches and lectures like all former presidents do. At one lecture a college student asked him: " How could you make the decision to use the A-bomb on Japan, knowing it would kill thousands, and how can you live with it today?" Truman replied: " It was simple, I was the president of the USA, not the president of Japan; my main concern was the American lives that would be lost in a ground invasion, not the Japanese live lost in a war against Japan."

Though my quote isn't exact, it makes the point.
You may not like it, I may not like it, but it's just the way things are.

I catergorically dispute that. It doesn't have to be the way the world's run. Your entire theory is national supremacist. You have no place on this forum if you believe such tripe. We are all human beings. I'm not an Englishman, I'm a human. You're not a [insert nationality here], you're an arsehole (well maybe not, but judging from that post, your political opinions are akin to one). Why should Japan matter any less to a human than America??

[splendor solis]

hey guys listen to this : ''I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe—I believe what I believe is right." - george bush

oh and the other day one of his quotes was on the front page and i made no sense at all....it was like an 'it she but' kinda thing

wow bush, u kno u COULD speak correctly once in a while

[Stormin Norman]

"But who are we to be the ones that take him out?"

I have not read all the posts on this subject, so forgive me if I am repeating something that should have been obvious to others.

We have applied that failed logic before. During WWII we largely took a isolationist stance since the issues of Europe did not directly affect the U.S. The cost of supplying our allies was the most we were willing to invest in such an important cause. Even the expense of losing freighters attacked by German submarines proved too little to draw us into this devastating conflict. Only after we lost 1700 servicemen did we directly engage the great evil that was German Socialism at its apex.

We should have learned our lesson about the existence of totalitarian regimes, but the fall of the Berlin wall marked the begining of a great slumber by our citizens and government alike. Again we thought it was more important to pursue economic interests than to deal with the threats such corrupt regimes pose. Again we were attacked with our pants down. Perhaps this will be the last time we ignore the emergence of such evil in the world. Maybe in the future we will prempt those that may harm us in the future. In fact, that is what the Bush doctorine states. This is an idea that I would like to see applied in reality.

My biggest criticism of Bush would have to be his reluctance to apply the very principle that he stated so eloquently. Of course, the political culture takes time to change and the world opinion seems to impede our progress in doing this, but never before has a leader had such a wide reaching mandate to conduct such actions. I wish he would use his mandate to do real damage to the Al Quada network and quit debating with the the likes of France. What do they even bring to the table? Attacking Iraq would be the best way to initiate this policy, because it would remove a huge threat from that part of the world and put us in a position to sqeeze both the Saudis and the Iranians, who are both supporters of terrorism.

[Cassius Clay]

'German Socialism' This is a joke right? I presume you are talking about the Nazis. if not then I aplogise for the below.

You are actually seriously calling the Nazis 'Socialists' not only then are you as a firm supporter of Capatalism trying to make sure the blame for those crimes (such as the Holocaust) is not blamed on capatalism but trying to blame it on a form of 'Socialism' which probably means Communism.

It is my understanding that the Communists and Socialists were the first in the camps while the Capatalists continued to run the factories. Hell some made huge profits from the Jews doing labor in Poland. The company that produced Zyklon B made a fine mark or two from it's sales and the gold teeth and hair went from everything to sofa company's to Bank accounts in Switzerland.

The Concentration camp system was able to survive primarily because of one thing. Profit for the Capatalists.

[anti machine]

German socialism....HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! poor norman, re-read those history books.