Lets face facts - master87

[Tkinter1]

All systems are inherently flawed.

Changing the system won't work.

If so many are getting hurt by capitalism then why dont you go help them?

Holding a revolution? Do you even believe yourself when you say that?

what are we doing here?

[peaccenicked]

While it is true that all systems are inherently flawed, improving the system is the best option for practical minded people. Revolution is about empowering people and ending the rule of money. That can only help workers. Piecemeal help is not bad but it does not help to solve the fundamental problems of society.

[IzmSchism]

Yes, all systems are inherintly flawed. And what are we supposed to do about it? i WATCHED A WHITE HOUSE CORRESPODENT STSTE TODAY THAT THey are gathering as much information as they can to warrant a premptive strike against Iraq. Yet why now? There has been no proven ties with Iraq and al-queda. Yes, Hussein is a brutal dictator who has killed thousands of Kurds and Shi'ites, but who provided them with these weapons? We have no real voice of morality in our governments, they are all influenced by major corporations and military contracts and re-election....scum politics take over and we are left voicelss.until we educate oursleves out of this bleak, hands tied situation. And realize that what we often see on news and are communicated to by politicians is bullshit wrapped in a gift box.

[GUTB]

I don't think anyone is so arrogant about Communism that they can believe that it will somehow be the end-all of human societal evolution. What will come after Communism has served its purpose and must make way for a new model of civilization? Impossible to say.

However, the argument that "Capatalism isn't perfect but it works so we have to live with it," is self-serving bourgeois propaganda. The system works just fine if you are the oppressor. If there was any doubt about just how much the system works for the ones at top, you just need to witness the upcoming war unfold. It came out of nowhere and is now all but upon us -- in what way is any of this the will of the people? The ruling class *rule*, they don't serve. They act with resources of their own for interests that they share against obstacles the ruling class face. If this war doesn't make the difference between the bourgeois and the other classes crystal clear, I fear nothing will.

[suffianr]

Well-thought post there, GUTB.

If all systems are flawed...do you subscribe to the Chaos Theory, Tkinter1? If so, explain your thoughts on this model of non-linear equations, please...

[MaxB]

Ofcourse the Capitalists have to sale u everything. You Socialists only produce misery. Where would N. Korea be without help from the West?

[Guest]

Where would poor workers in south east asia be with help from the west? Probably still working and being paid less than they earn for the company.

[Hayduke]

Quote: from Guest on 4:46 am on Oct. 6, 2002
Where would poor workers in south east asia be with help from the west? Probably still working and being paid less than they earn for the company.

Help from the West ?

The West just needs countries with low wages so they can produce it there and sell for high back in the West.

Now dont turn the facts, guest.

[suffianr]

South East Asia was helped by the West, particularly from the 1600's to the early twentieth century. Of course, that's if you call colonial expansion, political manipulation and slavery as a form of "help."

The White Man's Burden, wasn't that what they called it back then?