McDonald's = Nazism - I'll explain why

[Goldfinger]

Well think about it; Mc Donald's, Disney, Nike, etc. all represent one goal (exept making $): Increasing living standard of the west, while unofficially using child labour, sweatshops and prison labour.

This would not be possible if there was no poverty, therefore they depend on it. The result: A perfect world in the west, while not telling people about the rest of the world.

The correct term for this would be national socialism, or Nazism, which - hopefully - you all oppose.

Or tell me what you think. Just remember that I'm willing to learn, not ignore.

[new democracy]

i don't agree with you, but i heard a rumor that walt Disney was a nazi.

[Goldfinger]

Where do you stand politically anyway?

[Goldfinger]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, sorry about that. I am not just saying that national socialism is Nazism, Nazi is short for national socialist.

[KomAk]

when you say mcdonald ist nazism, than you play the nazi war-crimes down.

[canikickit]

No you don't.

[Guest]

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 2:51 pm on Oct. 2, 2002
Well think about it; Mc Donald's, Disney, Nike, etc. all represent one goal (exept making $): Increasing living standard of the west, while unofficially using child labour, sweatshops and prison labour.

This would not be possible if there was no poverty, therefore they depend on it. The result: A perfect world in the west, while not telling people about the rest of the world.

The correct term for this would be national socialism, or Nazism, which - hopefully - you all oppose.

Or tell me what you think. Just remember that I'm willing to learn, not ignore.


McDonalds represents global Capitalism at it's best or worse depending on how you see Capitalism. You can't draw parallel's between the Nazi's and McDonalds as National Socialism was a socialist system. Do you have any evidence to show that McDonalds use sweat shops anyway?

I oppose Nazism on some issues and agree on others. Walt Disney was a Nazi supporter New Democary but if you look back on Americans from the 40's, from today there system and people would be considered Nazis's because they had segregation and laws agaisnt race mixing.

[RedDawn]

Of course walt disney was a nazi supporter most of american bourgeoiss society was at the time. First of all lets clear up this national socialist term which was just a way to get more votes from the german people before hitler rose to complete power. In the early 1930's germanys Socialist party the SPD was still dominant. Calling his fascist clique a socialist party would help to get a lot of votes from the german people who wer sympathetic to socialism but also very susceptable to radical nationalism. We all no nazis were fascists. Americas rich loved fascism. It offered an effective deterrent to "Bolshevism" and kept the poor and the unions in line through violence and despotism favorite policies of us client states. Through this forced submission all markets were ready to be exploited by american corporations and american society reflected are love for the profits. And i qoute from Judge Elbert Gray of United Steel "we too need a man like mussolini". Roosevelt himself approved of "that admirable Italian gentlemen" as he said in 1933. America has always been in bed with any client state thats willing to crush the people to provide our corporations with the ideal surplus value. Free market? free to be exploited for the max-surplus value but other than that thers not much free about the markets

[KickMcCann]

Globalization is just a new word for Imperialism. And all those big companies are a part of it. The support dictators to bring iron-fist stability to poor nations. Then they enter these nations and use the populace as slave labor. They also use their products and wealth to destroy the cultures of those nations.
Imperialism was the tool of powerful nations, globalization is the tool of powerful corporations. But they all do the same thing, oppress millions and give unaware western civilians a bad reputation of being evil.

[Stormin Norman]

You are an idiot. Your view of the world resembles that of an three year old. Your ability to make comparisons between things that have no real similarity should have been spotted when you were younger. Maybe that way they could have placed you in the appropriate remedial class to help you with your disability. I pity you for never getting the help you need and are doomed to live a frustrating and confused life. Better luck next life. Perhaps you could be reincarnated as a dodo bird, for even that would be an improvement.

[MiNdGaMe]

McDonalds, Starbucks, Nike, are invisible forms of Imperialism, and Captialism, with practically a McDonalds or Starbucks in every country, it seems the world is doomed, Nike sponsers athletes in 3rd world countrys, and the Athletes receiving income, is unaware that there products they were and the company the represent are made from his/her own people in his own country.

[Goldfinger]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:34 pm on Oct. 3, 2002
You are an idiot. Your view of the world resembles that of an three year old. Your ability to make comparisons between things that have no real similarity should have been spotted when you were younger. Maybe that way they could have placed you in the appropriate remedial class to help you with your disability. I pity you for never getting the help you need and are doomed to live a frustrating and confused life. Better luck next life. Perhaps you could be reincarnated as a dodo bird, for even that would be an improvement.


This is the second time you have called me an idiot. Perhaps you should know that I am not convinced that Mc Donald's is Nazi, I was just comparing, sorry if I made the wrong impression. And my only disability is that I can't stand seeing people being starved and operssed. If that's a good reason for putting me in a "special" school, then go on, send us all there. Let the cynical people govern the world, like in Soviet, Nazi-germany or North Korea. And USA.

And by the way, You are a moron.

(Edited by Apocalypse When at 2:36 pm on Oct. 3, 2002)

[Guest]

Quote: from RedDawn on 12:46 am on Oct. 3, 2002
Of course walt disney was a nazi supporter most of american bourgeoiss society was at the time. First of all lets clear up this national socialist term which was just a way to get more votes from the german people before hitler rose to complete power. In the early 1930's germanys Socialist party the SPD was still dominant. Calling his fascist clique a socialist party would help to get a lot of votes from the german people who wer sympathetic to socialism but also very susceptable to radical nationalism. We all no nazis were fascists. Americas rich loved fascism. It offered an effective deterrent to "Bolshevism" and kept the poor and the unions in line through violence and despotism favorite policies of us client states. Through this forced submission all markets were ready to be exploited by american corporations and american society reflected are love for the profits. And i qoute from Judge Elbert Gray of United Steel "we too need a man like mussolini". Roosevelt himself approved of "that admirable Italian gentlemen" as he said in 1933. America has always been in bed with any client state thats willing to crush the people to provide our corporations with the ideal surplus value. Free market? free to be exploited for the max-surplus value but other than that thers not much free about the markets


National Socialism is nothing like Fascism. The whole purpose of Fascism is to improve the free market and destroy working class opposition like you said. Hitler did nothing like this. Hitler passed through socialist policies which considerably helped German workers. He nationalised major industries and improved the lives of the average German by a significant amout. There wasn't any unemployment in Nazi germany.

And not just the bourgeoiss were Nazi's by modern standings just about everybody was. 96% of people were agaisnt interracial marriages in the 40's.

It might also help if you learned to spell RedDawn.

[Goldfinger]

Quote: from Guest on 9:34 pm on Oct. 3, 2002
There wasn't any unemployment in Nazi germany.

Maybe that's why they used slaves....

[queen of diamonds]

There wasn't any unemployment in Nazi Germany for a number of reasons, the most prominent being that all the women and Jews were forced out of the workforce, making way for the men, but not classed as unemployed. There were displays of gross inefficiency, where educated people were given manual labour to do.
The major difference between Nazism and socialism is that socialism is internationalist, and attempts to better the lives of workers everywhere, wheras Nazism concentrated wholly on Germans, not caring very much about the workers outside Germany.
As for the original topic, I honestly believe that the large corporations would wish to see most of the povery in the world destroyed. Not because they're humanitarians or anything, but in any rational person's thinking, it's always better to pay people a little extra in a country, and have a large market able to buy your products, than to be able to pay people next to nothing and have no market. It might work if you could pay them next to nothing and be able to sell them somewhere else, but in order to do that, you're going to hit high costs in the transportation and marketing at the receving end, so even for corporations who do that, it would be of benefit for them to open a market in another country as well as the original. I realise that makes next to no sense, but if anyone wants clarification, send me a msg, and I'll see if I can make it any clearer.