Dropping off the face of the Earth

[Vicarious]

I have a few ideas but, besides going to another place in the world what how would one become untraceable.

[rampantuprising]

are your fingerprints on file with the federal registry?

[gla22]

fake your death.

[RedAnarchist]

It would probably involve removing your fingerprints, cancelling any ID such as drivers licence, resigning from any job, disconnecting your phone line, getting rid of your computer/Internet access etc.

[Red October]

It depends. If law enforcement is looking for you right now, it'll be much harder to simply disappear.

[Organic Revolution]

If your trying to disappear, heres one thing you can do...Get off the internet.

[MarxSchmarx]

Better do it soon, b/c shortly they'll have DNA profiles on the all of us ... :D

[Vicarious]

No law enforcement is looking for me. My finger prints are in no federal reg. Its just something that would be good to do drop off the face of the earth travel the world and come back in a year or so.

[Cybersomatix]

um... if you're thinking of traveling the world, it's best to be at least partially on the map (if only sporadically)

To each, his own, though

[Vicarious]

euro land
first, then
Russia
,
Africa
get to the southern tip, then to Iran, then India,

ausiland
, then head through the
islands
up to China, Mongolia, Japan, Alaska,
Canada
, Cuba, Mexico, then DOWN :cool:

[My Heart is a Molotov]

But won't you need a passport??

[Cybersomatix]

Precisely... and depending on where you're leaving from there are certain advantages to having a passport handy...

Visa-free entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._passport#Visa-free_entry_or_visa_on_arrival) throughout most of Europe (except Poland & Russia, which'll run you a little more), for instance.

I presume you're traveling overland? From Russia to Africa... I certainly hope you don't intend to travel overland across the Caucuses... that would be stupid... If anything, your best bet would be either to fly from Russia to Africa... Lower Nile Valley of Egypt or Ethiopia are your best best as the Upper Nile (southern Egypt) and Sudan aren't the best of places to be without a reason right now... Ethiopia to South Africa are as smooth sailing as Africa gets with a few exceptions in Somalia and Zimbabwe (ugh... thinking of faces of the migrant workers fleeing Mugabe's rule makes me sick... the man should be shot)... From SA to Iran is a bit ass backwards, but what the hell, it's not my trip... It's not my waste of $700 (You'll have to fly from South Africa to Dubai and then to Tehran as there are no direct flights from South Africa to Iran)... It's not my waste of Jet petrol... I presume you're flying out of Iran, too... unless you intend on crossing US occupied Afghanistan or through Pakistan's western tribal provinces... sounds like it'd be fun... I've got the skin tone that if I had a little bit of cash and grew out my facial hair, I could buy the right clothes hire my own militia and probably pull it off... but I don't recommend it... not unless your Pashtun & Urdu are fairly unaccented... a flight from Tehran to Lahore will run you another $400... be sure to have your yellow fever card and passport ready at the border between Lahore & Amristar too, or they won't let you into India... I don't even understand the logistics of the rest of your plan

Look... I've got a round the world trip that I'm planning to go on in a few years... it will span the course of 2 years and require proficiency in at least 5 languages... fuck it... I'll just ask... do you want any help?

[which doctor]

Where do you plan on getting all this money to travel around the world without a passport?

I would suggest going to India and becoming a sadhu.

[Vicarious]

I would like to have a traveling companion.:)
I have a passport:glare:

[Led Zeppelin]

Here is how you drop off the face of the earth: Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6uwcvHkYvg)!

[Cybersomatix]

I think he meant disappearing from the grid... not dropping acid off the face of the earth

in any case, Kyuss rocks

[Vicarious]

I will do the world in this order

Miami
Dublin
Glasgow
Manchester
London
Paris
Amsterdam
Copenhagen
Stockholm
Oslo
Bergen
Helsinki
St. Petersburg
Moscow
Volgograd
Kharkov
Kiev
Minsk
Vilnius
Warsaw
Krakow
Budapest
Bucharest
Sofia
Istanbul
Ankara
Izmir
Athens
Tirane
Sarajevo
Lubalin
Vienna
Prague
Berlin
Waken
Hamburg
Cologne
Luxembourg
Munich
Rome
Palermo
Milan
Monaco
Marseilles
Andorra
Barcelona
Madrid
Lisbon
Sevilla
Ceuta
Rabat
Casablanca
Algiers
Tunis
Valletta (malta)
Tripoli
Alexandria
Jerusalem
Beirut
Damascus
Amman
Mecca
Cairo
Luxor
Port Sudan
Khartoum
Nouakchott
Dakar
Bissau
Conakry
Freetown
Monrovia
Yamoussoukro
Accra
Lome
Abuja
Rwanda
Kampala
Bujumbura
Lilongwe
Lusaka
Pretoria
Johannesburg
Maseru
Cape Town
Port Elizabeth
Mbabane
Maputo
Antananarivo
Nairobi
Mogadishu
Djibouti
Sanaa
Dubai
Kuwait
Baghdad
Tehran
Kabul
Islamabad
New Delhi
Jaipur
Ahmadabad
Bombay
Pune
Bangalore
Colombo
Chennai
Calcutta
Kathmandu
Thimphu
Dhaka
Sydney
Canberra
Melbourne
Wellington
Auckland
Sydney
Port Moresby
Dili
Singapore
Bandar Seri
Ho Chi Ming
Bangkok
Hue
Manila
Macao
Hong Kong
Munching
Hangzhou
Shanghai
Nanjing
Zhengzhou
Taiyuan
Ulaanbaatar
Beijing
Shenyang
Pyongyang
Shenyang
Seoul
Panmunjeom
Pusar
Taipei
Okinawa
Nagoa
Yokohama
Sapporo
Tokyo
Honolulu
Vancouver
Juneau
Vancouver
Calgary
Toronto
Montreal
Quebec
Ottawa
Seattle
Portland
San Francisco
Los Angeles
San Diego
Tijuana
Mexicali
Mexico City
Cancun
Havana
Port au Prince
Santo Domingo
Kingston
Belmopan
Guatemala
San Salvador
Managua
San Jose
Panama City
Medellin
Bogota
Quito
Guayaquil
Trujillo
Lima
Arequipa
La Paz
Antofagasta
Santiago
Concepcion
Puerto Montt
Buenos Aires
Montevideo
Porto Alegre
Curitiba
Sao Paulo
Rio de Janeiro
Brasilia
Sao Luis
Belem
Cayenne
Paramaribo
Georgetown
Caracas
Port of Spain
Nassau
Miami
Tampa
HOME

[Wanted Man]

Cybersomatix: I understand the point about Mugabe. But honestly, many African countries are cruel dictatorships. Zimbabwe is getting singled out now because it doesn't pander to western imperialism (as much). See this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/17/zimbabwe.tibet

Anyway, I really wouldn't know how you'd "disappear" totally. Surely someone will know that you've gotten a visa for a country and where you take a plane to. Of course you could "disappear" in a big foreign city where millions of people live. But what if you get into trouble and your visa's run out?

Seems more like you just want to make a trip around the world, which is cool. I wish I could afford that.

By the way, this vaguely reminded me of a newspaper article from a couple of months ago. It was about this Dutch kid who ran away from home by bicycle, because he wanted to go to China. He made it to Poland before someone finally realised what was going on and had him sent back. Crazy stuff.

[Kurt Crover]

Wow that's quite a list but just to pull you up for just a second.

India (New Delhi, Jaipur, Bombay, Madras, Pune, Bangalore) - You will most certainly be refused entry into India without a valid passport, visa and a list of your inoculations.

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (Pyongyang) - You won't be able to get into here without the things mentioned above and you will have someone from the North Korean government attached you at all times. So if you don't your give your name and details, you'll either be dead or expelled. If you're a US or South Korean citizen you won't get in at all. Maybe the same in Beijing, I'm not sure.

[Demogorgon]

How are you going to afford all that? How do you plan on entering the places that Americans are banned from?

Anyway, dropping off the face of the earth is the last thing you want to do if you are going to go traveling. There are plenty of ways you could get into trouble traveling and you need to contact the embassy should that happen.

[politics student]

You would have to stop carrying a mobile phone for one if you have it registered in your name then you can be easily tracked, if you can receive texts you can be traced.

[Ken]

awesome thread, i am planning to travel australia and then the world.

i want to do this spending the least amount of money possible, flying on the least amount of plains. i guess it was just plain bad luck that i was born in Orstraya :( and have never left it(or Sydney)!



I would like to have a traveling companion.:)

:D

[Grunt]

AWESOME thread!!!



If you are in real trouble:

http://www.legion-etrangere.com/

After 5 years - you have a new identity.





Normal Basic advice to make you less traceable:


• Never pay with credit card

• Always pay cash

• Don't let them take your fingerprints
(OK - if you had trouble with the law,
it's probably too late)

I have this prob right now since
for the new passport they need
my prints. They claim that the prints
are only saved on the chip on the
passport but the chances are that
they are in Fort Meade at the end
of the day...)

• Apply for name change and preferrably
chose the name of someone who died
exactly that date.
Anyway: It will throw the majority of the
bureaucracy's off - but useless against
real professionals.

• Learn how to mask your IP-Adress

• Learn the basics of private Data-
security (tools are cheap - and
its usually possible to delete 95% of
all traces)

Need help? Contact me.

• Never mention your profession
to people you do not know very well.

• Exchange sensitive information
on the net only encrypted.
(Files, e-mail etc.)

• Remember: CASH is king. Always!

• Close your current bank accounts and
open a new with a cash deposit.

• Don't own and use a cell-phone.
If you have to: Pay for the phone in
cash and use only pre-paid cards.

_____

• Get a high-quality forged
birth-cerificate.

• Don't own a car. Period.

_____

[Vicarious]

thanks

:)

any more ideas

[marxist578]

How are you going to afford all that? How do you plan on entering the places that Americans are banned from?

Anyway, dropping off the face of the earth is the last thing you want to do if you are going to go traveling. There are plenty of ways you could get into trouble traveling and you need to contact the embassy should that happen.

Americans are banned from certain places? Which ones?

[Grunt]

Americans are banned from certain places? Which ones?
Some. Maybe not 'officially' 'banned' - but de facto.
Countries like North Korea, Guinea Bissau, Libya, Tchad etc.

You get the idea...

[Grunt]

any more ideas

Yes - but not on this forum.

Please suggest a secure 'channnel'
of communication.

P.S.: Forget the idea travelling to many
obscure countries - you will leave an
enormous trail behind and in the end you
will have achieved the opposite.

If your serious and/or in trouble:

http://www.legion-etrangere.com/


That's by far the best advice I can give you!

[bcbm]

If your serious and/or in trouble:

http://www.legion-etrangere.com/ (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.legion-etrangere.com/)They allow you to serve under a declared identity, but you can only get new papers with your real identity.

[Grunt]

They allow you to serve under a declared identity, but you can only get new papers with your real identity.
News to me. :confused:

[bcbm]

It says it right on the website...

[Guerrilla22]

I have several IDs. I also go by the alias "McLovin"

[h0lmes]

-Pay off any debt
-cancel bank accounts and credit cards
-cancel cell phone
-stay off the internet and telephone
-hike as far into the wilderness as you can
-live for a while
-die like chris mccandless

[BPSocialist]

Faroe Islands would be a good place to hide. North of Shetland, south of Iceland, freindly people that don't ask questions, nice and iscolated, beutiful scenery. Seriously, you should go there. I go with my family every year, and I never get tired of the place.:)

[Circle E Society]

Beware if you go to places like Syria and Lebanon you are gonna have a hard time with the authorities when you return home.

[Magdalen]

If your serious and/or in trouble:

http://www.legion-etrangere.com/ (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.legion-etrangere.com/)

I'll join the legion,
That's what I'll do,
And in some far distant region,
Where human hearts are staunch and true,
I shall start my life anew!

Josef Locke (1917-1999) :)

[Wanted Man]

They allow you to serve under a declared identity, but you can only get new papers with your real identity.
Yeah, I thought so too. They can't give French nationality to an alias.

[DesertShark]

If you plan on going to Australia, fuck going to Sydney. Go to Perth. It's one of the cleanest cities on the world, it's got awesome beaches, great people, it's small, and lots of fun. I lived there (Perth) for awhile and it was awesome, traveled to Sydney twice and hated it - too dirty and too much like any other major city in the world. Also, Perth is the most isolated capital city in the world. I've also heard Adelaide and Melbourne are nice.

[BPSocialist]

Ok, what level of severity was your misderminor to merrit you dropping off the face of the Earth?

Happy now, Bobkindles, you f***wit?:)