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MaxB
29th September 2002, 17:52
Who said Cuba isn't Socialist. Cuba is SOCIALIST. But as usual, when Socialism fails (as it always will), the Left tries to redefine its miserable ideology.

True, Castro blames Cuba's shambles of an economy and endless shortages on the embargo, but there isn't a Cuban over the age of 7 who doesn't recognize that as just another of his lies. What has wrecked Cuba's economy is communism, not a lack of trade with America. After all, Castro is free to do business with every other nation on earth.

And make no mistake: Doing business with Cuba means doing business with Castro. There is no private property in Cuba, no private enterprise, no private employers. Foreign investors *must* deal with the government. They cannot hire Cuban workers directly; a government agency chooses their workers for them. The investors pay Castro handsomely -- in hard currency -- for each worker; Castro in turn pays the workers a fraction of that amount -- in all-but-worthless pesos.

So long as Cuba's dictator maintains his stranglehold on every aspect of Cuban life, ending the embargo would be counterproductive. It would do nothing to end the far more restrictive embargo that Castro imposes on the Cuban nation. It would give him the propaganda victory and the US dollars he craves, but it would do little to bring liberty or hope to ordinary Cuban citizens.

Every president since JFK has extended the Cuban embargo; to lift it in exchange for nothing -- no free elections, no civil liberties, no improvement in human rights -- would be a betrayal of the very people we want to help.

"Tiende tu mano a Cuba," says Paya when I ask what he thinks of American policy, "pero primero pide que le desaten las manos a los cubanos." Extend your hands to Cuba -- but first unshackle ours.

Lardlad95
29th September 2002, 18:08
Improvement in human rights?

China collected skin and corneas off of dead and living prisoners yet we do trade with them

The embargo is bullshit and you know it

MaxB
29th September 2002, 18:13
Cuba "nationalized" American interests without paying us back for what they took. I think its a hipocrisy for Castro to ask or accept help from a system (Capitalism)he's bent on destroying. If Socialism is so efficient, he should be able to do just fine without the U. S. JeeWeez, he's got his Socialist friends to help him---such as the "prosperous" N. Korea.

antieverything
29th September 2002, 18:19
What kind of a populist leader would allow his people to starve...sacrificing them at the altar of ideology. Any real world, sane leader will eventually realize that the people gotta get paid.

PunkRawker677
29th September 2002, 18:31
"Cuba "nationalized" American interests without paying us back for what they took. "

And we use Guantano Bay without his continued authorization and without sufficient pay.

Lardlad95
29th September 2002, 18:34
Quote: from MaxB on 6:13 pm on Sep. 29, 2002
Cuba "nationalized" American interests without paying us back for what they took. I think its a hipocrisy for Castro to ask or accept help from a system (Capitalism)he's bent on destroying. If Socialism is so efficient, he should be able to do just fine without the U. S. JeeWeez, he's got his Socialist friends to help him---such as the "prosperous" N. Korea.


Hey I'm not defending Castro's actions I was talking about Human Rights

Second I agree that when socialism nationalizes land that people should get paid

I already mentioned in another one of your threads that under Democratic Socialism Farmers get paid for their farms if they allow them to be nationalized.

But you gotta understand where castro is coming from look at the US involvement in the south american countries at the time.

THe US was meddleing to much they wanted independance from US control

THe US needs to realize that control and help isn't the same thing

If they want help they shouldn't manipulate

Guest
29th September 2002, 18:35
MaxB, i think it is hypocrisy, that the us controlled cuba until 1,959 even though the cubans wanted independence.

Capitalist
30th September 2002, 22:51
2 Wrongs don't make a Right.

Trade with China is Wrong.

And so is Trade with Cuba.

Totalarian Regimes need to be overthrown and replaced with democratic regimes, not become business partners.

Just because the USA trades with China, doesn't make it right to trade with Cuba (There is no merit in that arguement).

Cuba has free trade with Canada, Mexico, Europe, and all of the rest of the world. Somebody please explain to me how free trade with the USA is going to make anymore of a difference?

Free Trade with Communist Government = Free Trade with Tyranny

new democracy
30th September 2002, 22:59
Quote: from Capitalist on 10:51 pm on Sep. 30, 2002
Totalarian Regimes need to be overthrown and replaced with democratic regimes, not become business partners.
that's not what you did in chile. on the contrary!!

RGacky3
1st October 2002, 00:13
I have never in my life seen evidence of Cuban mis treatment of his people. Peopel just tells me it exists, give me proof. Also The reason the U$ trades with Saudi arabia, Iran, China, but not Cuba, is all poletics, and money, nothing to do with ethics or theorys. Any intelligent person will tell you that.