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[MaxB]

Can you guess which is North Korea----look at the pic in this page:
http://solohq.com/Objectivism101/Bloody_Co...Communism.shtml (http://solohq.com/Objectivism101/Bloody_Communism.shtml)

Communism

A satellite photo of the Korean peninsula at night. Can you tell which half is Communist and which half is Capitalist?
Communism is a form of socialism. It puts control of all property into the hands of the government directly. The results have been impressive: over 100 million people killed in the last century.

Communism is the bloodiest form of government ever conceived. It enslaves the entire population, and rules through fear. Because it destroys property rights, it makes the production of wealth almost impossible. Since the use of one's mind is no longer a method of creating wealth, communism has only one method of production: Through hard physical labor. But without the use of reason, even this is severely limited in its scope.

Since the population gets an equal share of the wealth produced, there is virtually no incentive to produce, since one's effort is of negligible benefit. To compensate for this, the government must intimidate and force the people into working hard. Since self-interest is eliminated as a motivation for production, it is replaced by its cruder sort of self-interest in the form of fear of death. The government slaughters citizens to keep the rest in line.

This is encouraged because the government policies are failures. Communism is supposed to produce limitless wealth, making all of its citizens happy and rich. But with the ability to produce impaired, the success never happens. To distract the population from its failure, the government must blame it on others. And anyone guilty enough of harming everyone in society should be killed of course. Communism lives on scapegoats.

Communism is a brutal system of government. It does not just fail to protect individual rights, it establishes a system of violence force. The results have been exactly what one would predict: starvation, poverty, and the slaughter of millions.

[Guest]

shut up fucker and say something original!

[LeninCCCP]

This fucker is a follower of a Hardcore religion who bases his facts on what others tell him, fucking sheep. We sould send him to the great purge.

[Xvall]

A satellite photo of the Korean peninsula at night. Can you tell which half is Communist and which half is Capitalist?

I don't know. But can you tell which one tolerates people with a differing political alignment? Niether can I!

Communism is a form of socialism. It puts control of all property into the hands of the government directly.

I already quoted the part of the manifesto which spoke of a 'Democratic Society'. I'm not going to waste my time doing it again.

The results have been impressive: over 100 million people killed in the last century.

Yeah? How about the 200 million people killed in the last century from nationalism and capitalism? Where do you get your statistics? How can communism be responsible for death? I don't go around saying that 'white people' are responsible for the deaths of millions, so don't say that about communists.

Communism is the bloodiest form of government ever conceived.

Shows how much you know. Marx implies that the state would wither away under Communism; calling it a 'form of government' is proposterous. How is it 'bloody'? Bloodier than a society revolving around wealth and greed? Bloodier than Fascism? Communism has never been implemented; and as long as people like you are walking around, it never will.

It enslaves the entire population, and rules through fear.

*Yawn*

Because it destroys property rights, it makes the production of wealth almost impossible.

Wealth is stupid. It is nothing more then green paper.

The government slaughters citizens to keep the rest in line.

There you go again! Once again; I don't know where in the manifesto it says anything about slaughering citizens! You to complain! Capitalistic Nations like the United States used to engage in slave labor; commited genocide against the native people; and HANGED people for being accused witches! How is this any diffirent from 'slaughtering' civilians?

Communism is supposed to produce limitless wealth, making all of its citizens happy and rich.

Happy. Being rich in unecessary.

But with the ability to produce impaired, the success never happens. To distract the population from its failure, the government must blame it on others. And anyone guilty enough of harming everyone in society should be killed of course.

Sound alot like the CAPITALISTS that blame things like War, Arabs, and the Japanese on the reason people are getting laid off!

Communism lives on scapegoats.

Unlike the United States; which has NEVER EVER persecuted an ethnic or religious group! Right!

Communism is a brutal system of government.

Third time!

The results have been exactly what one would predict: starvation, poverty, and the slaughter of millions.

I can claim the same things about capitalism. Communism can have no RESULTS. Communism is a THEORY! A THEORY CAN NOT KILL PEOPLE! DOES THIS COMPUTE!

(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 2:42 am on Sep. 28, 2002)

[American Kid]

I think the one with all the lights is South Korea.
-AK

[PunkRawker677]

Ak
I think you just made the stupidest post ever on che-lives.

[American Kid]

Ugh, read between the lines, brah.
-AK

(duh)

[peaccenicked]

How to become an objectivist in 10 easy steps.
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~andrej/objectivism/

[peaccenicked]

If you want to see objectivism thoroughly thrashed go here.
http://www.objectivism.addr.com/critics/humor.html

If you are in the same room as an objectivist you are in the wrong room. They are trained to be deaf to reason.

[Stormin Norman]

I like your avatar, MaxB.

[oconner]

a failure of capitalism: U$A

[Stray]

North Korea is not communist you ignorant fuck. North Korea is Authoritarian Socialist where one man rules which is not the way socialism is suppose to operate but I'm not going to waste my time trying to educate your close-minded ass because I know you won't take anything I say into consideration because I'm just another pinko commie bastard!

[suffianr]

Your avatar will not help you make any life-long friends in this community....Nice try, mate, but you're going to have to try harder...

[Moskitto]

After reading the rest of that site, I feel very sorry for you for believing any of that. If you want to find some actually worthwhile anti-communist propaganda, try the Museum of Communism.

And also the only non-mixed economy democracy was a planned economy, not a free market economy.

[antieverything]

Democracy and a free market economy cannot coexist.

[Moskitto]

My Brother (GB Conservative Party member) went to capitalism.org and was scared.

[Capitalist]

Excellent Post, MaxB!

Facts, not ignorant insults, make an arguement.

These commie replies indicate their ignorance and their desire to remain blind to the truth.

[Red Circle]

Quote: from Capitalist on 11:03 pm on Sep. 30, 2002
Excellent Post, MaxB!

Facts, not ignorant insults, make an arguement.

These commie replies indicate their ignorance and their desire to remain blind to the truth.

Those aren't ignorant insults. These are ignorant insults... You're a dork, and i hate you, stupid bastard. And you're ugly... and so is your mom.

I think those are the most ignorant insults i can think of.. if anyone has anymore, please, tell me.

[Social Democratic]

From that photo, Who can see which part has the most prostitution and child brothels?

Well the southern korean penninsula (next to the US navy docks) seem quite dense in the sex industry adn forced sex industry as well for that matter, I guess all those lights are red light districts?

[MaxB]

My avatar? Yes, I like that stamp of rejection on that myth they call Che. Guevara was a stupid scumbag and a failure at best. :-)

[Robin Hood]

<Communism is a form of socialism. It puts control of all <property into the hands of the government directly. <The results have been impressive: over 100 million <people killed in the last century.

Well, first. No, those governments were as much communist as little western democracies are democratic. Parlamentarian yes, democratic no.
Just because I say I am christian doesnt make me one and I am not allthough I have claimed so when it fitted me.

<Communism is the bloodiest form of government ever <conceived.

Actually capitalism outranks the killrate by a couple of millions. War started by capitalist for capitalist causes, not counting by so called "communists" only in this century that would be:
WW1 -Comon lets send men into the trenches for some royalists.
WW2 -Nazis or communists, lets support Hitler atleast he wont touch our bankaccounts.
Vietnam -Some yellowbastards want their own nation!? No way!
Desertstorm -Lets save a fascist regime
Afghanistan -Some terrorists kicked our buts, lets bomb these arabs.
Numerous African wars of liberation from western imperialism, numerous southamerican and asian nations fighting for their rights to their own resources.
Couple of hundreds of thousands of starving people around the world.
Nature being totally destroyed.
Mankind being threatened just so that less than 1% may be a bit richer.

< It enslaves the entire population, and rules through <fear. Because it destroys property rights,

Rights defined by whom? Never heard of such right.
Sure, people should be allowed to own stuff but own resources and production? No way.

< it makes the production of wealth almost impossible.

Couple of hundreds of thousands years of evolution and this neanderthalis only cares of one thing, wealth. His own of course.
Think it is time for the human race to evolve to some other priorites and this can be achived in a communist society. A true one...
Else, production of wealth for everyone is not impossible. For one or a few there should not be.

< Since the use of one's mind is no longer a method of <creating wealth,

Its not a matter of creating wealth, its a question of distribution. Sure one should be rewarded but today the few ones that create gain way too many resources and so the imbalance in the world.
Else, and this speaking from the experience of working for ones of the most powerfull oil companies in the world. If someone tries to compete with us we crush them, over our dead bodies that mankind uses something else than our oil.
Just look at how succesful the alternative fuel industry is today.

< communism has only one method of production: <Through hard physical labor. But without the use of <reason, even this is severely limited in its scope.

And you base that on what?
Communsim as ideology has evolved beyond that. Production should be handled by machines as much as possible, not by humans.
What do we do with the workers and how will they make money then? Well first why shouldnt they get "paid" anyway, they consume right?
Else they can be reeducated into something else. Mankind have gone from being 99% hunter gatherers to 95% peasants to 90% industrial workers.
Its time for the human race to do something more creative I say.

<Since the population gets an equal share of the <wealth produced, there is virtually no incentive to <produce, since one's effort is of negligible benefit.

And so the human race should concentrate on something else, maybe something like 1% peasant, 1% industrial and the rest scientists and artists.
And who should those unlucky 1% be? Well first they will mostly be repairing the machines at minimum work, maybe get a work week a year or so. People can take turns, sure beats 8 hours a day in an oil field. Not a nice place.
Else heck, there is a universe out there to explore.
Let the machines do the work and mankind the thinking.
Seen StarTrek? ;-)

< To compensate for this, the government must <intimidate and force the people into working hard.

Well first the government should be the people, we have computers, lets build out the fiber networks, lets use satelites, lets put the whole world directly connected to the internet where people can be directly deciding their own fates and specially of their own lives where they live. The government should consist of directly elected people responsible for desicions.
Direct democracy with other words.

< Since self-interest is eliminated as a motivation for <production, it is replaced by its cruder sort of self-<interest in the form of fear of death. The government <slaughters citizens to keep the rest in line.

When it should be the drive to better onself and the survival of the human race. Always wondered if capitalists love their kids? Cant love them much if they are not bothered to leave them a safe world.
Do you want to die? If you have kids or thinking of having? Do you want a world polluted and risking war and acts or terrorism? Do you want your kids to have access to healthy food, nature and being able to live without risking being sent to war, eating infected food or breathing smog?
I dont have kids, bit to old to start planing any but got friends with kids, sure want a bright future for them.

<This is encouraged because the government policies <are failures. Communism is supposed to produce <limitless wealth, making all of its citizens happy and <rich. But with the ability to produce impaired, the <success never happens.

Yet to be seen and you base that on that production is impared. Let me tell you what impared is, thats when US factories are sent abroad because american workers are too lazy to compete with some guy in the third world. How about bye bye to health insurance, safe work enviroment, meger salary and no breaks?
Got friends in the computer industry, some programers that are being threatened by some guys in Pakistan who are cheaper, why should their company not fire them when the pakistani guys do the same job for 10% of what they make and not a glimpse of the benefits?
Capitalist logic at its best.
As for science, why waste money on latest technology if it will not make us ricker. We drill for oil the crude way, sure it pollutes and there are better and more efficient ways, should we bother? There is plenty of oil under some rainforests, think the UN will stop us when the US runs dry? Heck no.

< To distract the population from its failure, the <government must blame it on others.

And that doesnt happen today?
Comon, its the most comon excuse used today. Kind of like firing some workers when the stock price goes down. Darn lazy 12 packs, their fault our takeover went bust.

< And anyone guilty enough of harming everyone in <society should be killed of course. Communism lives on <scapegoats.

Well, thats why capitalists should repent or be gathered up an executed...better, labour camps. A danger to the human race.

<Communism is a brutal system of government. It does <not just fail to protect individual rights,

What righs? Rights to freedom of speach? Rights to question? Rights to a decent job and a decent salary? Rights to raise a family in a safe enviroment?
None of these are being held up by todays capitalist system and never will because they are not profitable.
If it wasnt for those darn communists with their loony liberal ideas inciting the people to revolt there would not be any safe workplace, health care, education for all, "democracy" and other luxuries you so much enjoy.
Think the Talibans are bad, they make tons of sense from a capitalist point of view. Man should produce as much as possible, as fast as possible, consume and shut up. So what if they work in an unsafe place and consume unsafe goods! So what if we get to destroy this planet? Wont happen in my lifetime.

< it establishes a system of violence force. The results <have been exactly what one would predict: starvation, <poverty, and the slaughter of millions.

A perfect description of capitalism...or maybe you havent been on this planet the last 500 years?
Else, capitalism invented rasism, sexism and nationalism. Separate the white worker from the black worker, separate men from women, the US worker from the Canadian worker. Divide and Conquer!

I am sure mankind can do alot better than this.