A rebuttal for this extremely racist list

[Harrycombs]

Does anyone know of a rebuttal or can attack this racist article that a fascist posted a link to? I think most of this is bull shit, by the way.

http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/african101facts1.html

[Post-Something]

This is bullshit. I won't even go into it, but for the first heading I saw for example, intelligence they are using culturally biased ways of measuring intelligence (that's if it can be measured at all).

Listen, if any of these are even slightly true, they are half truths. I've debated a fascist before, and they have no level of decency.

A good way to hit them is to ask them to define race in the biological sense, since as we all know, it is merely social construct. The racialists argument is entirely based on genetics, and if he can't even prove that such a thing as race exists, he's lost.

[Cybersomatix]

So-called "scientific" racism has it's roots in something which has nothing to do with race

though I'd like to elaborate, I'm apparently not allowed to post links yet... look up "Guns, Germs and Steel" on Google video... the 3 part National Geographic documentary series will explain from there

[Mariner's Revenge]

I am obviously not going to do all of them but I will do a few for shits and giggles.


FACT #1: The White race has crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carvedmountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren icefields. It hasbeen responsible for the invention of the printing press, cement, the harnessingof electricity, flight, rocketry, astronomy, the telescope, space travel,firearms, the transistor, radio, television, the telephone, the lightbulb,photography, motion pictures, the phonograph, the electric battery, theautomobile, the steam engine, railroad transportation, the microscope, computers,and millions of other technological miracles. It has discovered countlessmedical advances, incredible applications, scientific progress, etc. Itsmembers have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer,Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington,Jefferson, Hitler, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison,GrahamBell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt,Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of othernotable achievers. (37) (39)
This list doesn't prove anything. First, this doesn't go into how "inventions" usually work and second, it doesn't name a lack of "greats" (I won't go into this) from people of color. No one just invents a printing press, what happens is that someone will take an idea and further build on it and that is what happened with many inventions by every "race".


FACT #2: Throughout 6,000 years of recorded history, the Black AfricanNegro has invented nothing. Not a written language, weaved cloth, a calendar,a plow, a road, a bridge, a railway, a ship, a system of measurement, oreven the wheel. (Note: This is in reference to the pure-blooded Negro.)He is not known to have ever cultivated a single crop or domesticated asingle animal for his own use (although many powerful and docile beastsabounded around him.) His only known means of transporting goods was onthe top of his hard burry head. For shelter he never progressed beyond thecommon mud hut, the construction of which a beaver or muskrat is capable.
This is false. First, if we are talking about sub-saharan Africans, they invented many things but many of them are just not used today. Second, many in the first group that started farming 10,000 years ago and even some ancient Egyptians (you know, those pyramid building guys) looked like fucking 50 Cent.

Plus, the word Sumerians, who invented writing, the plow, and other items needed for civilization, means black headed.


FACT #3: The I.Q.'s of American Negroes are from 15 to 20 points,on average, below those of American Whites.
IQ is dependent on conditions someone was raised in. A suburban white kid will be 15 to 20 points higher on an IQ test than a redneck (sorry for the stereotype).


FACT #31: The rate at which Blacks commit murder is thirteen timesthat of Whites; Rape and assault, ten times. These figures, as given bythe F.B.I. reports, vary somewhat from year to year but fairly representthe trend for the past decade.
Crime is dependent on socio-economic conditions and since whites are better off socio-economically it makes sense that whites will have better criminal records then blacks. Plus, racism from the police force and racist laws skew the results.


FACT #41 46% of inner city Black men between the ages of 16 and 62 are unemployed.
Unemployment will always hurt the lower class first, which makes up most part of the inner city.


FACT #45: The January l986 issue of the journal of Ethnic and RacialStudies, "Skin Color Preference, Sexual Dimorphism and Sexual Selection:a case of Gene-Culture Co-evolution?" by Peter Frost and Pierre Vander Herghe, stated that in any given race, the women tend to have lightercomplexions than the men. Using standard ethnographic files from 51 societieson five continents which have recorded their preference for human skin color,the study found that 30 preferred lighter women and 14 preferred lighterwomen and lighter men. The cultures of India, China, Brazil and Bali, aswell as the Arabs and Negroes regard the lightest women as the most beautiful.--perpetuating the aesthetic appeal of the ivory-skinned, rosy-cheeked,blue-eyed, blond "nordic ideal" of feminine beauty- -even thoughthey themselves do not possess the genetic capacity to reproduce such anorganism. Over time, the study said, the upper classes of all races havebecome lighter-skinned than their fellow countrymen because they have repeatedlyskimmed off fairer women from the lower classes.
Beauty standards are cultural, not genetic.


FACT #47: In experiments in which Black children havebeen left to themselves with White and Black dolls, it has been found thamost of the them would rather play with White dolls. This is true all overthe world. Even in such places as Tobago.
This is an example of the social force of white supremacy. Nothing genetic.




FACT #48: The Declaration of Independence, which contains the oft-repeatedphrase ". . . all men are created equal . . ." was written byThomas Jefferson, who owned about 200 slaves at the time and never set anyof them free, including the mulattoes and quadroons. Jefferson's words certainlyhad no reference to Negroes, who at that time had no place in American societyexcept as property.
Thomas Jefferson was a racist. Woohoo.


FACT #55: The Republic of Haiti, the only completely Black republicin the Western Hemisphere also happens to be the poorest country in theWestern Hemisphere. It also has the lowest life expectancy, highest illiteracy,lowest per capita consumption of newsprint, lowest per capita GNP, and thelowest level of political stability.
This is because of bad leadership and imperialism by countries such as the United States.


FACT #62: Ancient Egypt was founded and built by Mediterranean Caucasiansas far back as 4500 B.C. Egypt's period of greatness was from 3400 B.C.to 1800 B.C. and was characterized by its amazing architecture, pyramids,temples, and mastery of mathematics and engineering, the remnants of whichare still evident today. The White Egyptians pioneered medicine, chemistry,astronomy, and law; In many cases, their achievements remain unequalled.
This is false. Recreations of King Tut show that he looked closer to 50 Cent than anything else. Plus Egypt was ruled by its southern "negro" neighbors and borrowed much technology from them.

Eh, its all just bullshit. Race doesn't even exist.

[RoterAnarchie]

Does anybody have some proof that race doesn't excist, it would be VERY handy in discussions with racists!

[Post-Something]

Hahaha, he has NO proof that race exists. It is a social construct. If you will, please identify a "race" for me, and you will see exactly how difficult it is. What constitutes as a race?

[pusher robot]

Does anybody have some proof that race doesn't excist, it would be VERY handy in discussions with racists!

Quite simply: physical traits, such as skin color are genetically defined. That is fact. There are also certain regions of relative uniformity of genetic traits. That is also fact. But there is no objective definition by which some traits, like skin color, determine "race" but other traits, like eye color or whether your index finger is shorter than your ring finger, do not. That classification is simply a human invention.

[Mariner's Revenge]

Does anybody have some proof that race doesn't excist, it would be VERY handy in discussions with racists!
There is no "proof" either way because race is usually undefined. The race used by society and the census is different, and you have many other aspects so usually start an argument by asking your opponent to define race and attack him from there.

Genetics of Race:

1. All humans share 99.9% of our DNA and the 0.1% is called genetic diversity. In any single human population, 85% of human genetic diversity will be present and in any single contentment, 94% of human genetic diversity will be present. That means a Brit will be closer genetically to some Somalis than some other Brits.

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/94/9/4516
http://www.pbs.org/race/002_SortingPeople/002_00-home.htm

On top of that, Chimpanzees have two to three times the amount of genetic diversity and fruit flies have ten!

2. There is no dividing line between "races". This is similar to saying, "when does a boy become a man". The answer is that there is no physical barrier and the change from a 7 year old to a 40 year old is gradient, just like the change from Scandinavians to Nigerians. A 7 and 40 year old don't look anything alike just like a Scandinavian and Nigerian don't look anything alike but a 17 and 18 year old do and a Southern Italian and Northern African do as well. Until you can find a physical barrier between someone who is "white" and "black", race cannot exist.

3. We usually define race as phenotype when that has nothing to do with genotype. If we looked at American natives, we would say they look very similar to Asians so they should be grouped in the same category when in reality, they are probably more closely related to groups of Europeans who came out of Central Asia tens of thousands of years ago. Also, people will black skin can range from Africans, Middle Easterners, Indians and other South Asians, Aboriginals, and native South Americans. Asians in general can have blacker skin than many Africans and whiter skin than many Europeans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_P_%28Y-DNA%29


Social Construct:

Looking at the history of the United States we can see that the definition of "white" has changed many times. First, it only included Anglo-saxxons, then Germans, then Irish, Scottish, Polish, Italian, etc until we get what we have today. Even now, many Middle Easterners, South Asians, Northern Africans, and Hispanics can pull off being "white".





So, for future arguments, let them define whiteness and then attack. If they use skin color use the phenotype does not equal genotype argument (3) and if they use genetics attack them with genetic diversity and gradient arguments (1 and 2). Always use the social construct argument as well.

In case it ever gets brought up, the Out of Africa theory is proven over the multi-regional theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_hypothesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_single_origin_hypothesis

[Harrycombs]

Oh, in that list, the part about Thomas Jefferson I know was false. In the original deceleration of Independence, it declared that slavery was wrong and immoral and that the slaves should be freed, but many southern state representatives refused to sign it because of it, so this was removed from the final copy.

[JazzRemington]

In addition to the idea that blacks commit more violent crimes than whites, this is usually based on statistics taken from such places as the Department of Justice, etc. The only problem is that these statistics only reflect those that are actually arrested, prosecuted, and sentences (i.e. go thru the entire system of being arrested and sent to jail). I suspect that if blacks could afford good lawyers that can persuade a judge to drop the charges, then numbers would be different.

[Cencus]

Fact one The Chinese and Indians had rockets way before the west. I think the Chinese had the printing press too just to piss on the racist fuckers chips.

[More Fire for the People]

Break his face.

[Hampton]

I would go for break his face. The sad truth is that when someone has made their mind up about such stupid statments as Africans have never invented anything there is not much way to convince them other wise. I wouldn't waste my time.