The thing is

[Wake Up]

There are only 8,000 people registered on this forum.

So? I hear you say.

Well that means that out of all the people fed up with their capitalist feeding lives, all those people who feel mistreated, all those people who would just love it if their boss took a fall (and believe me their are a lot of people like that) only 8,000 of them want to do something about it.

Ok thats not strictly true as this forum is only many ways of expressing our displeasure but I am sure you catch my drift.

If you don't then my drift is this - The majority of people in this world are unaware of their ability to change things for the better. I would also go as far as saying that many people in this world do not even know that they can have it better.

I wonder what would happen if we broadcast an episode of the OC throughout sub-Saharan Africa???


We, as revolutionaries Must do our best to inform people of their position, get them to realise the Truth and that they can do something about it. In short get people to wake up.
Oh and I'm not a conspiracy nut job. I don't believe any of this 911 inside job minimal evidence rubbish. I don't believe in the 'New World Order lets keep digging towards more preposterous nonsense' theory.Thats not the truth. The truth is we are controlled by the elite who have done nothing to earn that position. In short they have power without a mandate.

When one of the most merchandized pictures in the world is a picture of a anti-capitalist, you know something is wrong.

I'm open for ideas on just how we can get the message across. Shouting on street corners does not work in most cases because admittedly even I cross the road when faced with that situation.

We preach to the converted on this forum.

[Post-Something]

This forum is amazing.

I wasn't a communist before, but now I am, because I was shown the areas where I was blurry. As an online forum, this place is doing everything it can really. Many people on here are active in everyday life to see the changes that they want.

So, this forum is serving it's purpose, and it's serving it well. That doesn't mean to say people on here don't do anything in the world around them, of course not. I speak to everyone I can, and I get into debates all the time. Lots of people on here take it extremely seriously and dedicate most of their lives to the revolution. So yeah, this forum is for us leftists to discuss theory and organize and introduce others.

[spartan]

I think alot of working class people out there are aware that they can change things but they also realise the potential consequences of their actions (Which could make a bad situation far worse).

Take for example a textile factory in the first world.

Now the workers are being paid bad and working long hours so what do they do, strike? Well yes but if they do that then this just gives the perfect excuse for the owners of the factory to up ship and open up shop in China or India where the people will work for even less then the striking workers and for longer hours! (And all without a pension or health and safety regulations)

The only types of workers who can strike without fear of major reprisal are workers in the oil and gas industries as oil and gas will stay where it is, and the boss cant move it half way across the world for cheaper labour like he can with textile factories (Though the boss could perhaps bring in foreign labour from abroad but this creates social problems concerning immigration, amongst other things, and puts strain on public services, and the Bourgeois doesnt want to keep propping up stufff like this, so it is easier for them to go abroad to thrid world countries, though like i said earlier they obviously cant do that concerning stuff like oil and gas).

Of course the only way to end all this is to end Capitalism but it would seem that the majority of people have been programmed not to think like this (Most people think that everything will "get better sooner than later").

[Dros]

lol because this internet site represents the entirety of the leftist movement.

[Red October]

This is an internet discussion forum, not the supreme headquarters of the global revolutionary left. In reality, we have only a few hundred active users. I'm an active anarchist, and of all the communists, socialists, and anarchists I know, none are active on this site. At most this site is a tool for leftists to discuss and reach a better understanding of issues that confront us, as well as make a few beer and penis jokes in chit-chat. This is not a tool for organizing revolution or inciting the masses to revolt, it's a website. Give us a break!

[Wanted Man]

only 8,000 of them want to do something about it.

Ok thats not strictly true as this forum is only many ways of expressing our displeasure but I am sure you catch my drift.
No dude, you're just wrong. A communist party in even a small European country probably has more members than this whole forum. I like your name, I would add "and smell the coffee" as a user title.

[Cybersomatix]

lol because this internet site represents the entirety of the leftist movement.

Seriously. The Revolution will not be posted to my blog!

[Sharon den Adel]

I like this forum because it's constanty busy, and there are always new replies to answer.:)

[Cybersomatix]

I like this forum because it's constanty busy, and there are always new replies to answer.:)

Yeah... being new here (as with any forum) it took me a minute to digest the whole feel of this place... but it is nice to have so many different forums so full of threads to explore and hit up on a whim.

[Sharon den Adel]

Yeah... being new here (as with any forum) it took me a minute to digest the whole feel of this place... but it is nice to have so many different forums so full of threads to explore and hit up on a whim.

I like to think there are more Liberals than Conservatives, too.:lol:

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Ann Coulter's forum only has ~1,000 more users than RevLeft. I think we're fairing on a good standard. :laugh:

[Cybersomatix]

I like to think there are more Liberals than Conservatives, too.:lol:

I've no idea what you mean by that

[Wake Up]

Sorry my point wasn't to attack this forum or its members.
I did not intend to suggest that this forum was some kind of revolutionary HQ either. I can see how it looks like I am but I'm not, seriously.

I believe that the world is becoming like a tinderbox socially. Rising fuel prices, global warming, return of fascism etc etc. We need to be able to get the downtrodden billions of this world to wake up.


Smell the coffee? More like smell the ashes.

[Holden Caulfield]

I believe that the world is becoming like a tinderbox socially. Rising fuel prices, global warming, return of fascism etc etc. We need to be able to get the downtrodden billions of this world to wake up.


Smell the coffee? More like smell the ashes.


yeah that is kinda the point, but this is an internet site as has been said,
we all (well most of us and even those who are learning hopefully will in time) do our bit for the class struggle in different ways and organisations

[Wake Up]

Just an internet site???

The Internet is potentially our most powerful revolutionary tool.

One idea I came up with the other night is to get someone to run for President. The only barriers are US citizenship, US birth and over 35 years of age.
It wouldn't be an extreme leftist that would run, it would just be a normal socially aware person. Then they would use powerful sites like facebook and youtube to get their message across.
Millions of Americans are disillusioned with the money and lies in politics. I am certain that an independent candidate harnessing the power of free media that the Internet would garner huge support.

Would be an interesting campaign at the very least.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

The Internet is potentially our most powerful revolutionary tool.
That is correct; however, you must remember that the majority of the exploited working class in the West do not have a whole lot of time to spend online, and the vast majority of the workers of the world do not even have internet access. In your first post you mentioned sub-Saharan Africa, for example. As a general rule, only the rich have internet access there.

So, for the moment at least, the internet is only useful as a revolutionary political tool in the countries of "the West" - mainly Europe and North America. It is only there that large enough numbers of workers are online to actually make a difference.

And I do agree that we could be using social networking sites to draw more people to communism - I don't know exactly how that might be accomplished, though. I'm not a good organizer.

[Wake Up]

That is correct; however, you must remember that the majority of the exploited working class in the West do not have a whole lot of time to spend online, and the vast majority of the workers of the world do not even have internet access. In your first post you mentioned sub-Saharan Africa, for example. As a general rule, only the rich have internet access there.

So, for the moment at least, the internet is only useful as a revolutionary political tool in the countries of "the West" - mainly Europe and North America. It is only there that large enough numbers of workers are online to actually make a difference.

And I do agree that we could be using social networking sites to draw more people to communism - I don't know exactly how that might be accomplished, though. I'm not a good organizer.

I didn't suggest that those in sub-sharah Africa have internet access, What I was saying is Imagine the result if they did.

You say that the exploited workers do not have internet access, this is true but in getting to teh people who do have access it forces other forms of media to take notice.

For example, Facebook has 39 MILLION active members. Obviously only a small amount of those are communists but nevertheless 39 million people are accessible through that website. Many of them our students, I am 18 and although I don't use facebook ( though I would if this situation arose) every one of my friends and their friends use it. These friends aren't communists but they are aware of the worlds issues and would vote for someone trying to correct that.
I'm not a communist btw. The masses won't embrace communism at the moment, but they will embrace a socialist dogma that helps them.