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Capitalist
26th September 2002, 19:31
The embargo was encouraged by Che Guevara and Fidel Castro back in 1959.

"Don't buy American!" - Slogans and bumber stickers everywhere encouraged the Cuban People not to buy Capitalistic American Goods back in 1959. (How funny considering that many of these bumper stickers were placed on American Cars).

More than 43 years later, how things have changed in Communist or should I say Capitalistic/Slave Labor Cuba.

Che Guevara (The idiot banker) would be very disappointed with Fidel Castro for encouraging capitalistic trade with Capitalistic USA.

http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p...o&c=news_photos (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=fidel+castro&c=news_photos)

Doesn't the U.S. have enough slave labor/trade with China?

Why do we need to add Cuba to the other billion communist Chinese slaves?

Communism = 100 million executed = Slave Labor = more than a billion slaves = Tyrants = Stalin = Trotsky = Lenin = Castro = Guevara = Pol Pot = Mao = Bullshit = The Biggest Crime in World History

= Ban on Free Enterprise!

= Ban on right to own your own business

= Ban on Free Elections, Multiple Parties

= Ban on Freedom of Press

Cubans are not allowed to own their own farms, they are not even allowed into tourist hotels or tourist only beaches.

Trade with Cuba = Cuban Oppression = Stronger Castro Tyranny = Weaker Cuban People = Trade with a Tyrant

Capitalist
26th September 2002, 19:54
Capitalism & Free Enterprise for Americans NOT for Cubans!

PunkRawker677
26th September 2002, 19:58
Didn't you get your ass kicked around a few months ago and left?

new democracy
26th September 2002, 19:58
castro is a dick but: capitalism suck, and slave labor!? i know he is tyrant but slave labor!? give me some proof.

Marxman
26th September 2002, 19:58
Look. I now exactly who Fidel is - a goddamn stalinist.

Your interpretation is really inaccurate. Cuba is not a communist state nor China.

You are correct to criticise the stalinist regime of Castro. I know his misdeeds for the last decades. But you are not entitled to compare it to communism, which is really absurd.

new democracy
26th September 2002, 20:02
there i no proof for slave labor in cuba. doesn't giving misinformation here is something that is not allowed by forum rules?

(Edited by new democracy at 8:03 pm on Sep. 26, 2002)

new democracy
26th September 2002, 20:10
look like capitalist has been defeated :) .

Xvall
26th September 2002, 21:44
I don't want to, but I guess I have to refute you lame argument!

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"Don't buy American!" - Slogans and bumber stickers everywhere encouraged the Cuban People not to buy Capitalistic American Goods back in 1959. (How funny considering that many of these bumper stickers were placed on American Cars).

LOL. Okay, this is funny hearing it from you. You constantly whine and complain about how evil and wicked big bad 'Red China' is for opressing it's people. However, I can insure you that 75% of the things that you wear, and 75% of the things in your house, were probably made, built, manufactured, or assembled in:

*GASP*
EVIL RED CHINA

Even 90% of this 'patriotic memrobelia' that's been put on the free market is made in china! And yet you complain that they put stickers on American made cars.

Brilliant, Watson.

More than 43 years later, how things have changed in Communist or should I say Capitalistic/Slave Labor Cuba.

Wait, Wait, Wait. All this time you've been complaning that Cuba and China are evil communist regimes; now you're saying they're capitalistic! Make up your mind!

Che Guevara (The idiot banker) would be very disappointed with Fidel Castro for encouraging capitalistic trade with Capitalistic USA.

Che Guevara wasn't a banker, and Fidel is only trying to make sure that his people have the things they need to survive. I know if he was talking about keeping the embargo, you would be complaining about how 'evil' he is for not trading to get the things his people need to survive. You need to work yourself out. You just ridiculed cuba for supporting an embargo at one point, and now you're telling us that cuba is bad because they're engaging in trade? Are you insane?

Why do we need to add Cuba to the other billion communist Chinese slaves?

What the hell, man! You just said that Cuba was capitalistic! Make up your ***king mind! Chinese Communists? Hong Kong is the most Capitalistic city in the world, and as with cuba, you stated that you have been engaging in 'capitalistic trade' with China! What the hell?!

Communism = 100 million executed = Slave Labor = more than a billion slaves = Tyrants = Stalin = Trotsky = Lenin = Castro = Guevara = Pol Pot = Mao = Bullshit = The Biggest Crime in World History

Now we go through this garbage once again! You're just finding some random way to relate shit to each other, so you can claim that communism killed millions of people! I can do that too! Watch!

Hitler=Nationalist=caused war that killed 70,000,000 people=traded with capitalist nations=millions die per year from starvation due to capitalism=America=KILLER OF MILLIONS, RACIST NATION, AND BIGGEST CRIME IN WORLD HISTORY!

I can do that too! With the same logic, I can claim that Nationalism and Capitalism are responsible for the deaths of millions! Wake up! The deaths you listed were caused by corrupt leaders, not some ***king economic system! Please explain how 'communism' killed those people? From what I heard, people like Stalin and Mao killed dissidents for opposing them, and not to preserve any sort of communism! Your logic it whacked!

Trade with Cuba = Cuban Oppression = Stronger Castro Tyranny = Weaker Cuban People = Trade with a Tyrant

There you go with that crappy preschool algebra again! Ooh! Look with this!

BOMB=KILLED CIVILIANS=MADE BY AMERIKA=EVIL EMPIRE!! GRRR!!!

(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 9:45 pm on Sep. 26, 2002)

Mazdak
26th September 2002, 21:46
Marxman, you are anti castroist?

Nateddi
26th September 2002, 22:26
Marxman is a 19th century marxist ideologue in the 21st century.

antieverything
26th September 2002, 22:32
I'm pro-Cuba, anti-Castro...although he is way better than anyone the US would ever install and for dictators, I don't think you can really improve much on Castro...the problem is the Cuban regime is far from democratic and very repressive.

Mazdak
26th September 2002, 22:43
Castro is giving way too many freedoms now. Its sad, in his old age, he is not as forciful as before.

antieverything
26th September 2002, 22:53
...Mazdak, you are a fucking ass-doucher.

Nateddi
26th September 2002, 22:55
Mazdak,

How is castro giving away too many freedoms? Isn't the point of keeping a tight political system done in order to keep power. People do not become authoritarian because of personal fetishes.

AE,
How can you consider yourself pro-Cuba yet anti-Castro. I assume you condemn Batista's terror and therefore support the new revolutionary government. However Fidel has been the only leader of this government which you support [I assume pro-Cuba implys post-1959]. I support Fidel Castro 100% for the most part. A more liberal political system or head of state in Cuba would be crushed by America in a heartbeat.

RedCeltic
26th September 2002, 23:04
Don't even bother responding to anything Capitalist says, he just drops propaganda and runs. All he can ever talk about is Cuba anyway...

andresG
26th September 2002, 23:08
As long as the United States does not respect the right of Cuba to be a sovereign nation, special precautions must be taken to ensure the safety of the Revolution.

peaccenicked
26th September 2002, 23:13
Ignorance=blindness=stupidity=captalism
and in the singular 'capitalist.',
who appears like a dalek, from time to time, to present us with his faulty formal logic,
It is stacato one word very loose associations.
That is why noone is effected by it, bar seeing it as insult to their intelligence.
It is a laughable, ludicrous, below mediocre exercise.

antieverything
26th September 2002, 23:45
I do support Cuban socialism over capitalism, and I do support the revolution. I do not support the repressive, totalitarian rule of the Communist Party lead by Fidel Castro...I want democracy in Cuba while at the same time preserving socialism. How can you do this, you might ask. First you would have to change US policy towards Cuba. If we normalize relations before Castro dies I think that great things will happen in Cuba!

j
27th September 2002, 02:13
I guess I agree with AE in some respects. Castro is repressive in many aspects towards the Cuban people. But what is the alternative? If Castro allowed the freedoms we have here in the US, how could he hold to socialism? Cuba is a third world country, that without the tight reigns that Castro has on it would meet the same fate of neighboring islands (Haiti, DR, Jamaica, etc.) Cuba leads the carribean in meeting the basic needs of all its people. This is due directly to the revolution and Castro. What good is freedom of speech if your basic needs are not met. We see this everyday in America. Sure the bum on the street has freedom of speech--but he can't get the food, shelter, medical attention he needs. What good is his freedom?

We can all agree that in the ideal, all needs would be met and everyone would enjoy freedom. Unfortunatley no one has perfected this ideal (which is called communism by the way). Castro has his version of it. He meets the physical needs of his people (unlike George W.). He has decided that he is going to trade freedom for food, shelter, education, and medical care. I am not saying that it is right, though. I believe in freedom of speech and so on and I can disagree with Castro's attitude toward it. But I can't fault him for what he has done for the people of Cuba. They are much better off with Castro than they were under Batista or other puppet that the US would put in control there. Without Castro Cuba would be just another poor caribean island that is exploited by the west.

j

Mazdak
27th September 2002, 03:11
Nateddi- I mean, he used to have tighter control over religion. Now barbaric cult like religions are practiced in the open. Cockfighting is becoming common (still outlawed). This is becuase he isnt as forciful as before. I support Fidel 100%.

PunkRawker677
27th September 2002, 03:29
"barbaric cult like religions"

I assume your speaking of Santeria. Well, don't. You've already proven in another thread (if i remember correctly) that you don't know shit about it.

suffianr
27th September 2002, 15:48
Drake, good point!

Quiksilver, B.U.M. Equipment, Tommy Hilfiger...made in China, too, mate.

Capitalistic trade? Trade is trade, Capitalist Moron. The former-USSR traded with the West. Does that make it the biggest traitor? Hardly.

oconner
27th September 2002, 17:49
Is anyone here in favour of Fidel? I am. I don't think he has turned Cuba into an opressive regime. He has made Cuba into a prosperous econamy. If you look at Cuba before the revolution, you will see that it was improved considerably under the Castro leadership.

Mazdak
27th September 2002, 18:25
PR- what exactly is it that makes this such a "highlu advanced religion." It is nothing more then shamanism and primitive witch doctor style activity. Cave men had a more advanced culture then that scum.

I am 100% in favor of Castro. He is a hero and one of the greatest leaders.

antieverything
27th September 2002, 22:13
all right...everybody on three. 1....2...3...

MAZDAK IS A STUPID FUCKING ASS-DOUCHER!!!!!

Mazdak, you don't live in a country with a represive, authoritarian government. You have never had your family murdered. You have never been put in prison for standing up for what you believe to be right.

And look, I know that things in Cuba are better now than they were before. You don't get what I'm saying at all. Food, shelter, medical care, equal rights, and self government are all fundamental human rights...the fact that Cuba has all but one of those things doesn't mean that we shouldn't support the last one as well.

I don't support the current state of Cuba (all but self-government) just as I would not support a capitalist Cuba (limited self government and nothing else). I realize that right now, Castro is the best thing for Cuba...what I want to do is create a climate for Cuba to exist in where Castro would not be the best thing, where real socialism, democratic socialism, could thrive.

Mazdak is a fucking idiot...thank you.

Mazdak
27th September 2002, 22:32
I do know, considering i have half my fucking family living there you dick. How about that. They love it in Cuba. They have come to america before. And they always go back. Theylike Cuba, not the US.

Howabout that? Are any of your relatives under Castro, or are you one of those worms who fled Cuba??

antieverything
27th September 2002, 22:40
You fucking misunderstood me again. You think that Castro is too lax and not authoritarian enough. I wasn't talking about Cuba but the kind of government which you think would be ideal.

PunkRawker677
27th September 2002, 23:16
Mazdak, last time we had this debate, i kicked your ass 200 times over. So, i'll make it quick. Santeria is a pagan religion that is mixed with Catholicism (in Cuba, in Africa it is practiced soley as a pagan religion). Santeria, as you and most people see it, is NOT merely killing roosters and goats. It has alot to do with spirits, contact with the dead, and praising god.

canikickit
27th September 2002, 23:26
That's interesting, Punk. Something like Pocomania, I guess? (in a very generalised kind of way)

Mazdak
27th September 2002, 23:29
Anti everything- When i say "death solves everything", i mean it. This is why i think he has become to lax. He should never have let any Cuban exiles out of Cuba. That was his biggest mistake.

PR- just because it is more then just killing roosters doesnt mean that roosters arent killed. It is a piece of shit religion, just like christianity and islam and especially judaism.

The Aztecs praised their gods too. They contacted spirits and had complex religion. THAT DOESNT TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT THEY HAD HUMAN SACRIFICES!!!!

PunkRawker677
28th September 2002, 02:01
Saying that it is as bad as every other religion is fine with me. but don't go saying that somehow it is worse than any other religion. How can you care if the Aztecs made human sacrifices when you condone Stalin making millions of human sacrifices for nothing. At least the Aztecs believed they were getting something in return.

PunkRawker677
28th September 2002, 02:05
Mazdak. 2 things.

One, i found this link about a robotic roach or something. I don't know much about it but seeing as your all into that stuff, take a look. I dunno how you feel about it. http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/09/27/roach.r...obot/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/09/27/roach.robot/index.html)

2. "They love it in Cuba. They have come to america before. And they always go back. Theylike Cuba, not the US. "

99% of my family lives in Cuba. About 60% of them have come to the U.S. at one point in time and left. Only two people in my who family have come here and stayed. So, i agree with your statement and back it up 100%.

Mazdak
28th September 2002, 02:29
I know about the robotic roach...lol
thanks for thinking about me ;)

Second, how can you compare ripping the heart out of a living person and other lovely tortures to Stalin's collectivization death toll. Stalin was trying to get something real done. the Aztecs were so superstitious they were destroyed.

PunkRawker677
28th September 2002, 03:34
I wasn't saying that human sacrifices were right. I was equally critisizing Stalin's murders.

Pinko
29th September 2002, 13:55
Quote: from Nateddi on 10:26 pm on Sep. 26, 2002
Marxman is a 19th century marxist ideologue in the 21st century.


You say that like it is a bad thing.
The theory for women's emancipation was laid down centuries before is occured, it doesn't make it outdated and irrelevant though.
Sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick.

Mazdak
29th September 2002, 17:44
Stalin didnt. Murder. He executed. There is a difference.

Capitalist
30th September 2002, 22:43
Castro = Hypocrit

Castro denounces Capitalism.

Castro denounced free trade with the USA back in 1959. Che Guevara hated the USA and hated free trade with USA. Cuba confiscated all free enterprises, including Cuban Enterprises (example - Bacardi Rum) and sold them to Europeans and Canadians. However most of the enterprises do not exist anymore.

Castro's Socialistic Policy destroyed the Cuban economy (Anyone who thicks otherwise is completely ignorant of Cuban History and Present).

The fact remains that these Americans care about 1 thing only. Making money by selling Castro farm goods, that Cuba can not grow anymore. Cuba has over 40 billion dollars in debt.

The Cuban Economy is so inefficient.

No body works in Cuba because you are not allowed to profit from the fruits of your labor. You can not even own your own business. Does not matter if you are a hard worker or a lazy bum under Communism. Doctor or Janitor. Skilled Laborer vs. Unskilled Laborer. Educated vs. Uneducated. You all make the same and live the same.

The only wealthy class in Cuba is the Government Officials.

Communism = Socialism = Facism = Big Oppressive Government

Hitler was a Socialist

Joseph Goebels was a socialist

Mao was a socialist

Pol Pot was a Socialist

Che Guevars was a socialist

Fidel Castro was a socialist, but now he appears to be a capitalist.

Socialism leads to Totalarism which leads to ban on freedoms.

new democracy
30th September 2002, 22:47
yawn.

Mazdak
1st October 2002, 01:36
I forgot about that.... and capitalism doesnt restrict freedoms?

Capitalist
1st October 2002, 02:04
Yawn - I agree, new democracy, that's the way I feel when I read your long boring motto.

How communist build a classless society:

Simple, they kill everybody that doesn't agree with their viewpoint.

Capitalism is simply the freedom of enterprise.

Now I will agree that there are evil forms of Capitalism.

example 1 - Capitalism that profits off the weakness of others and worsens the buyer (example = cigarettes, gambling)

example 2 - Slavery, or the worker is forced to work or assigned duties by their oppressive government (example slaves forced to work in cotton fields prior to the Civil War - their freedom and rights denied and ignored by the then USA government).

example 3 - Present Day workers that are banned from freedom of assembly or creating their own unions free of government or company intervention. For example workers in communist nations such as Cuba and China are forbidden to unionize and demand better wages, unlike free democratic nations like USA where workers have the freedom of assembly.

Capitalist
1st October 2002, 02:15
You are so focused on the evils of Capitalism.

Yet ignore Human Rights.

Let's Protest war in Iraq - it's all about oil.

No, it's about a tyrant that oppresses his own Iraqi people. Gasses neighboring countries like Iran. Kills inncoent people, including children. It's about bringing democracy to people that are ruled by tyrants.

Europe was freed from dictatorship in the 1940s.

Why shouldn't the rest of the world deserve the same treatment?

Just because you are not of European decent, the USA, Britain and other "Mostly-white" democratic nations ignore your human rights.

Human Rights and Democracy for European people only.

All Communist Nations that were orignally founded on Socialistic principles totally ignore human rights.

The right to free speech

The right to Unionize, Freedom of Assembly.

Freedom to Protest

Freedom to Elect your leader (President Fidel Castro is not the president of Cuba, he was never elected!)

(That's like saying President Hitler, or President Stalin.)

Freedom of Enterprise, Capitalism

Freedoms we take for granted in democratic free nations.

Do I sound like a broken record....

Am I repeating myself over and over again....

Well unfortunately the truth never changes.

Nateddi
1st October 2002, 02:22
Hitler was democratically elected, and president is defined as: "One appointed or elected to preside over an organized body of people, such as an assembly or meeting"

Corporations have presidents, I doubt workers ever elect their heads.

Capitalist, the rest of your post is good, people must evaluate themselves as objectively as possible. However I do not consider myself a double standard liberal.

Capitalist
1st October 2002, 02:59
Hitler was not elected.

Hindenburg appointed him chancellor. When Hindenburg died, Hitler automatically assumed control and disolved all forms of democracy within Germany.

Although I must admit - Hitler, unlike Stalin and Present day Castro, was a dictator not a tyrant. The German Majority overwelmingly supported him once the war effort began.

Castro was once supported by the Majority of Cubans. He had a chance to do good for Cuba - but the absolute power corrupted him. Today he is simply a tyrant, no longer a dictator. 1/5 of the Cuban People now live in exile (sort of like France during World War 2 - many french lived in exile, while their country was under totalarian control).

President's of companies?? - I'm talking political presidents - not corporate presidents - and I agree - you don't call yourself President unless you are elected.

Xvall
1st October 2002, 03:09
You are so focused on the evils of Capitalism.

I never claimed such a thing.

Yet ignore Human Rights.

How so? That's the entire reason we are protesting a war against Iraq. Because it will cause the death of thousands.

Let's Protest war in Iraq - it's all about oil.

Ok.

No, it's about a tyrant that oppresses his own Iraqi people. Gasses neighboring countries like Iran. Kills inncoent people, including children. It's about bringing democracy to people that are ruled by tyrants.

And bombing the living daylights out of the people living in Iraq is going to cure this? Right? Of course it's easy not to be opressed by a ruthless dictator when you're deceased! How can you possibly think that killing off a substantial portion of the Iraqi population will help them out? And you wonder why everyone hates the United States!

Europe was freed from dictatorship in the 1940s.

Ever heard of Hitler?

Why shouldn't the rest of the world deserve the same treatment?

They should. However, blowing up a country hardly qualifies as progressive democracy.

Just because you are not of European decent, the USA, Britain and other "Mostly-white" democratic nations ignore your human rights.

Was it me, or did that question make NO sense?

Human Rights and Democracy for European people only.

Have you been ignoring everything we said? Are you making your own conclusions wildly? We ARE for human rights in Iraq; but bombing it won't solve anything.

All Communist Nations that were orignally founded on Socialistic principles totally ignore human rights.

There were no 'Communist Nations'. Socialism promotes human rights.

THE PATH
1st October 2002, 13:55
The more i hear these pieces of shit speek the more i Laugh, Cry, and fucken vomit.

What would you do after 40 years of threats and sanctions on your brave people? The fact that this dipshit talks about cars in Cuba that are american, well do you know about the mutant reigme of "BATISTA" and there "MUTANT" conterparts the "AMERICANS", (if you don't know about this don't worry just leave your thinking to your "MUTANT"friends in the pentagon, just go and sit and watch TV Mate) well for about 100,000,000 years the Cuban people were under opresion. One day a group of people that loved there country got some supplies and a few rusty guns and kicked your hairy assessssssss. They had a secret wepone, the poor people, the people that lived in the slums, the normal hard working people in the citys.

I hope YOU READ THIS "CAPITALIST"

PunkRawker677
1st October 2002, 20:59
THE PATH - Debating with Capitalist is useless. Hes barely ever here. he just stops by to drop off bits and pieces of bull shit propoganda. Hes the same as MaxB, only i assume he writes them himself.

Capitalist
2nd October 2002, 20:11
Let's get one thing clear.

The reason the creator of this site made this forum for Socialism vs. Capitalism was because of me. I and a few other right wingers kept shooting down all their stupid political discussions - so they had to make a seperate forum for us so that they could continue living in their communist fantasy world of ideology.

Second, the reason I don't debate so much anymore is because this forum has become a forum for stupid shit like how McDonald's = Nazism (Who really gives of fuck about McDonalds - It's time to talk about POLITICS, not hamburgers.

The only reason I called myself Capitalist was to piss off the stupid ignorant communists on this site. Capitalism is but one aspect of a free society.

I am for advocating Democracy and Freedom

Freedoms that are taken for granted in the USA & Democratic Europe.

And second, Let me remind people that the Cubans overthrew Batista.

The Communist and the Democrats (Real Democrats not the USA Communists=Democratic Party) teamed up together to overthrow a corrupt politician.

The Leaders of the Cuban Democratic Movement (Like Frank Pais) were killed immediately Havanna.

Castro remained - so Castro took over.

Castro promissed democracy, then socialism.

Castro is a tyrant that uses Communism as a mask.

He uses American Hatred to support his causes. Hence why so many Europeans and Canadians love him simply because Castro hates the "U$A".

The real victims are not the Americans, but the Cuban people.

People that are powerless to a tyrant and a oppressive government and military.

A world and liberal media that do not care and totally ignore the crimes, yet weep openly for Jews that were killed horribly more than 60 years ago under facism.

THIS IS NOW! - Not 60 years ago that people are suffering - and the World doesn't care

The same holds true for Iraq, the former Soviet Union, Iran and former Afgahnistan.

Batista was not a tyrant - he was a corrupt politican that was easily overthrown. Tyrants are not easily overthrown. They close up all forms of free expression and use the threat of death and to family to hold their power.

"Socialism or Death"

Means exactly that! - If you do not follow, then you and your family are in jeopardy of losing your life and freedom.

It even explains how Che Guevara's death came about.

There is no room for #2 man in Cuba (unless your Castro's Brother).

new democracy
2nd October 2002, 20:21
castro suck, but capitalism is no better.

Frosty
2nd October 2002, 20:41
"The reason the creator of this site made this forum for Socialism vs. Capitalism was because of me. I and a few other right wingers kept shooting down all their stupid political discussions - so they had to make a seperate forum for us so that they could continue living in their communist fantasy world of ideology."

No. They made this instead of banning all cappies because they were assholes interrupting discussions. Feel privileged that you have this place to profess your beliefs.

"Batista was not a tyrant - he was a corrupt politican that was easily overthrown."
Batista was a amerikkka puppet oppressing the Cuban people. He let their companies and plantation owners exploit them just because that made him rich. He wasn't easily overthrown, the guerrilla war was a hard one against thousands of soldiers, an airforce and with only the equipment they could conquer.

""Socialism or Death"

Means exactly that! - If you do not follow, then you and your family are in jeopardy of losing your life and freedom. "
Real socialism/communism hasn't been interpreted yet. Get your facts straight concerning that.

"It even explains how Che Guevara's death came about."
"Che's final revolutionary adventure was in Bolivia: he grossly misjudged the reveloutionary potential of that country with disastrous consegquences. The attempt ended in his being captured by a Bolivian army unit and shot a day later."
From the che-lives.com archive (from From A Dictionary of Modern Revolution Written by Edward Hyams

Copyright 1973, published by Taplinger Publishing Co, Inc)
Stop those assumptions rolling off your tongue.

"Castro is a tyrant that uses Communism as a mask. "
I agree a bit. But he has given the Cubans something, like the health care system, education system and so on. And in a vote 8 million Cubans voted for "eternal socialism". Authoritarian might be a better word. And this site might interest you, if you don't just ignore it as communist propaganda. It is made by a Cuban.
http://hometown.aol.com/merengue123/cubaeng2.html



(Edited by Frosty at 9:46 pm on Oct. 2, 2002)

Capitalist
2nd October 2002, 21:28
Alright look here, Yoda, let me clue you in on the dark side of the force.

There is no free education in Cuba, It is called thought control and brainwashing.

It is called taking children away from their parents and installing them in Boarding Schools where Socialistic Ideals are jammed and brainwashed into their minds.

It is called making robots out of people - making mindless workers!

Free Health Care in Cuba is worthless.

They can't even afford the medicines they need. Cubans have to provide their own bed sheets when checking into a hospital.

Good Healthcare for Foreignors and Cubans with Dollars.

Worthless/Free Healthcare for Cubans with pesos.

We are called the Right because we are always right. And the left is always wrong. We use facts - you use theories. Our systems of Democracy and Freedom lead to productive societies, Socialism leads to tyranny, slavery, and poverty.

Batista was easily overthrown when compared to Communist and Facist Tyrants. It wasn't easy but it was easier to do in a corrupt government versus a totalarian government - and the Cuban People did it. Not the Communist. It was Democratic Revolutionaries that overthrew Batista and Castro and Che Guevara stole their revolution and trust.

Che Guevara destroyed the Cuban Economy in less than one year as the National Bank President (Appointed position, not elected, by Castro)

Socialism leads to Tyranny (Starts off good for about 3 months - then leads to Tyranny - no freedom and oppresive government. True Communism is impossible - it never will happen and never has happened).

Let me remind you that Che Guevara's location was tipped off by the Bolivian Communists. The Socialists of Bolivia were responsible for turning him in. The Bolivian Peasants despised him. They knew what he represented and saw what happened to Cuba. Bolivia knew better than to let the same bullshit happen to them. I am positive that Fidel Castro is more than satisfied that Guevara was killed and can now be used for propaganda purposes. The Marty, the Saint of Communism, can't speak against Castro.
Castro = Franco
Che Guevara = Antonio
Martyrs used for Propaganda!