One of the most terrifying videos you will ever see

[RedDawn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpjDLutnJz0

Fuck the Ustase.

[Sharon den Adel]

vpjDLutnJz0

Fuck the Ustase.

I have a hearing problem, and couldn't make out what the people were chanting.:(

[RedDawn]

It doesn't matter what they are saying, they are giving a Sig Heil.

[communard resolution]

Is that taken from a Thompson show?

[Sharon den Adel]

It doesn't matter what they are saying, they are giving a Sig Heil.

I'm ashamed to admit I took no notice of their actions, just their words.

That IS scary if they are giving a Sig Heil.:ohmy:

[N3p7uN3]

They sounded like Nazi robots.:ohmy:


Anyway, where did this take place?

[RedDawn]

The YouTube post says it was from the Balkans.

I recently heard a professor talk about white supremacy and he was talking about the Balkans alot.

My guess is that it is from Croatia or Serbia. Probably Croatia because of their Nazi past. They fought against Tito's partisans on the side of Hitler and Mussolini. They were called the Ustase.

[Revolutiondownunder]

This was at a "Thompson" show in Croatia. Thompson is a closet "Neo Ustase" and most of the people who go to his shows are openly so.

They are chanting "Za Dom Spremni" [for my country I am ready].

Quite a few Cro blokes at my school. They say its just cultural. No I dont believe them.:(

[communard resolution]

Thompspon is disgusting. Goli otok would be a nice place for him.

[redSHARP]

hahahaha...once again i face an old enemy. one of the few nazis left in NYC; those fucking Ustase pricks! thompson had a show in november at the Croatian Center near 42nd st. i was going to go but then i got arrested for pot, but they will be back some day.

[Revolutiondownunder]

thompson had a show in november at the Croatian Center near 42nd st.


If you organised a demo It might work, but I know from when he came to Australia that there are a LOT of Cro people who get very pissed off if you try and put him down, taking on a couple thousand angry Croats may be good for you, but personally Im not tough enough.:scared:

[communard resolution]

I find it incredible that this guy is one of the most successful recording artists in Croatia. I understand that lots of young Croatian kids go to his shows out of sheer peer pressure, because "everybody's going". It's a mainstream thing to glorify the Ustase now. Croatia, what's happening to you?

The generation that experienced Tito's Yugoslavia will tell you it was the best country on earth. But loads of younger people in Croatia and Serbia are extremely nationalist because they grew up with Tudjman, Milosevic, and assorted scumbags.

[Tower of Bebel]

And most social liberals don't even believe that fascism is on the rise again :cursing:. We should remind us of what is happening in Italië and Russia. Yet the left is even in a worse shape than during the twenties and thirties, which is reflected by the working class basis of these fascists :(. And I'm not a supporter of spontanity, so IMO the future looks rather (fascist-) black than red.

[communard resolution]

I have no information on Italy, but it's definetely on a steady rise in Russia and some other former Eastern Block countries. When I went to Sofia Bulgaria, it was scary. We went to three different nightclubs in three different parts of town, and all three of them were infested with fash openly wearing Skrewdriver t-shirts and such. Coincidence?

Some areas in Russia are by now unlivable.

I wonder if fascism/Nazism has a serious chance to rise above street level and take power again. I read an interview with some German leftist intellectual a year ago, and I remember he said that Nazism and classic fascism had their time and will not come back. According to him, capitalism is now at a much later historical stage than it was in the 20s/30s, and therefore the conditions for Nazism to take power aren't any longer there.

I wonder what to make of this, and looking at what's happening in Russia, for instance, I'm not so sure about his claims.

[punisa]

Fascism in Croatia is not an underground problem anymore. It is gaining incredible power in last years. Why? Because neo-nazi glorifiers like Thompson are openly supported by the government and church. They preach that being against Thompson and Croatia's past makes you anti-nationalist and a disgrace for homeland.

Croatia Nazi state known as NDH was extreme right and during the Hitler days it acted out many brutalities that are comparable to Auschwitz (or worse).

Croatia is supposed to join EU in 2011, why is Europe turning their heads away at these horrible fascist uprisings??

[Tower of Bebel]

Croatia is supposed to join EU in 2011, why is Europe turning their heads away at these horrible fascist uprisings??

Capitalists don't have a solution to the problem. That's one thing for sure. Btw, the EU today is a neoliberal project. That means that fascism will be tolerated so long as it doesn't harm the neoliberal reforms.

I think that the working class basis of neofascism is even paying off :(. Instead of a militant workers' movement threatening the foundations of bourgeois rule (causing the raise of the left) we see the defeat of the left consolidated by the raise of fascism, which is consolidating the rule of the bourgeoisie (as fascism will always be a last resort of the bourgeoisie).

[Bastable]

This was at a "Thompson" show in Croatia. Thompson is a closet "Neo Ustase" and most of the people who go to his shows are openly so.

Whats a "thompson" show?


Fascism in Croatia is not an underground problem anymore. It is gaining incredible power in last years. Why? Because neo-nazi glorifiers like Thompson are openly supported by the government and church. They preach that being against Thompson and Croatia's past makes you anti-nationalist and a disgrace for homeland.


Don't you just hate it when "The Church" gets involved?

[communard resolution]

Whats a "thompson" show?Thompson is a Croatian mainstream rock star. He's as big in Croatia as Nickelback is in the US. He's ultra-nationalist, ultra-rightwing, and ultra-Catholic. He says things like "I don't have anything against the Jews, but they have something against me". A Thompson outtake/demo of him covering an old Ustase song emerged some time ago. Many of his fans show up in Ustase regalia and give the fascist salute at his shows. Others are dragged along by their friends because to go and see Thompson is the thing to do now.



Don't you just hate it when "The Church" gets involved?The Catholic church was a vital component of the fascist Independent State of Croatia. Hence Tito's executions of Catholic clerics after WW2.

[RedDawn]

The generation that experienced Tito's Yugoslavia will tell you it was the best country on earth.

Very true. I've done a fair amount of study on Yugoslavia / Fmr. Yugoslavia. I had two classes and some personal study of the country. When I was interviewing people about their experience there, they told me it was the amazing economically, as long as you did not oppose the state. People were happy and had consumer goods, etc.

It is a damn shame to see Yugoslavia turn into this shit. That being said, I still oppose Tito's dictatorship, but even compared to Castro, Tito was better.

I think I'll look into organizing anti-Thompson rallies in Seattle maybe.

[Colonello Buendia]

that is terrifying, It's like nuremberg, we NEED to stop them, byt any means necessary and reardless of causalties

[Bastable]

How many lefties are in the region? Any where as near as the enemy?

[communard resolution]

I think to not drop a bomb in that stadium is a real missed opportunity.

[Tower of Bebel]

I think to not drop a bomb in that stadium is a real missed opportunity.
Lol, since when are revolutionaries terrorists? Indeed, you would kill a lot of crème de la crème fascists and nationalists, but such an act of violence would also give way to severe oppression and revenge. Fascists don't need proof if they want to exterminate the opposition :sleep:.
Besides, you wont gain much working class support, especially when you concider that many nationalists and fascists today come from the working class (as opposed to petty-bourgeois roots of fascism before Word War 2).

So, IMO, no. A bomb would not be a missed opportunity.

[communard resolution]

Lol, since when are revolutionaries terrorists? Indeed, you would kill a lot of crème de la crème fascists and nationalists, but such an act of violence would also give way to severe oppression and revenge. Fascists don't need proof if they want to exterminate the opposition :sleep:.
Besides, you wont gain much working class support, especially when you concider that many nationalists and fascists today come from the working class (as opposed to petty-bourgeois roots of fascism before Word War 2).

So, IMO, no. A bomb would not be a missed opportunity.

I'm taking your points, but it was just a gut reaction on my behalf. I hate to see scenes like the one in the video.

As for Thompson and the rehabilitation of the Ustase in Croatia more broadly, it's not really a skinhead or working class thing. It's fairly widespread in all of Croatian society ever since Tudjman openly rehabilitated the Independent State of Croatia in the 90s. People look to it as the only historic instance of an independent Croatia they can think of and don't want to know about its active participation in the holocaust. Today, several streets in Zagreb are named after fascist politicians from that era.

You also get the nazi skinhead types, but they are only the hardcore version of something that's happening in all sections of Croatian society and in the 'respectable' middle class as well.

[communard resolution]

Besides, you wont gain much working class support, especially when you concider that many nationalists and fascists today come from the working class

Wait... are you suggesting Fascist shouldn't be confronted by militant means because that might offend the nationalists and fascists in the working class?

[Tower of Bebel]

I'm taking your points, but it was just a gut reaction on my behalf. I hate to see scenes like the one in the video.

Yeah, I understand your reaction. If it wasn't for the repercussion I wouldn't mind (man, am I cruel!) if hundreds of fascists were decimated ;).

[communard resolution]

If it wasn't for the repercussion I wouldn't mind (man, am I cruel!) if hundreds of fascists were decimated

Now we're talking! :D

[RedDawn]

If it wasn't for the repercussion I wouldn't mind (man, am I cruel!) if hundreds of fascists were decimated

Only hundreds? :( Why not more?!

[redSHARP]

we should raise some international brigades and fight the fash off the streets.

[jaffe]

maybe we should get Joint Strike Fighters to.

[Forward Union]

That's probably 99% russian.

[Espanol Battalion]

vpjDLutnJz0

Fuck the Ustase.

Should napalm all the fucking nazi Ustase bastards in that stadium. Death to fascism! Long live the International Brigades! Long live life!

[Revolutiondownunder]

Should napalm all the fucking nazi Ustase bastards in that stadium. Death to fascism! Long live the International Brigades! Long live life!

:lol:

Long live life indeed.

[Sand Castle]

Yikes! :scared:

And I thought Virginia was bad.

Please hold me...

[ppofuk]

Yeah, it's from croatia. The situation is worser that it looks like. Many football firms, mostly from dinamo zagreb and hajduk split are terrorizing people around with there fascist (neo ustashe) ideas (they are not the only ones, but most violent). A good example is the documentary 'the real football factories - balkans'. An incident broke up in Zagreb, when a white skinheads attacked a group of metals, punks. One punk in self defense killed a 17y old skinhead. The real problem was with media, they told that a punk killed a member of bad blue boys (dinamo zg, firm). All ended by dinamo zg firm terrorizing anyone with different opinion. I'm located in small town, 20-30 km of Zagreb, and the firm is terrorizing the alternative scene here. You can't just walk with Che shirt or something similar on street.

[communard resolution]

Yeah, it's from croatia. The situation is worser that it looks like. Many football firms, mostly from dinamo zagreb and hajduk split are terrorizing people around with there fascist (neo ustashe) ideas (they are not the only ones, but most violent). A good example is the documentary 'the real football factories - balkans'. An incident broke up in Zagreb, when a white skinheads attacked a group of metals, punks. One punk in self defense killed a 17y old skinhead. The real problem was with media, they told that a punk killed a member of bad blue boys (dinamo zg, firm). All ended by dinamo zg firm terrorizing anyone with different opinion. I'm located in small town, 20-30 km of Zagreb, and the firm is terrorizing the alternative scene here. You can't just walk with Che shirt or something similar on street.

Is it dangerous to live in the city of Zagreb if you look punk or non-mainstream in some other way? And what is it like in Rijeka?

[ppofuk]

Is it dangerous to live in the city of Zagreb if you look punk or non-mainstream? And what is it like in Rijeka?

Rijeka is know with the firm Armada. They did the nazi swastika formation, icon in Italy when croatia played vs Italy. On other hand, many punk bends are from Rijeka. The inner thing in city (security and so.) I don't know really. I know that Split, Zadar are the worst on croatian side of adriatic see.

The most secured town as i heard is Pula.

[communard resolution]

The most secured town as i heard is Pula.
REALLY?? I went to Pula in 2006 and I thought it was scary. It was an endless parade of nazi skinheads... I had never seen so many in one town.

[ppofuk]

REALLY?? I went to Pula in 2006 and I thought it was scary. It was an endless parade of nazi skinheads... I had never seen so many in one town.

Than I was wrong :x My friend was on monte paradiso there.
It looks like I missed with Rijeka. The left society is most developed there (rijecka anarhisticka inicijativa), but i'm not sure how is with right primitivists there.

[communard resolution]

Than I was wrong :x My friend was on monte paradiso there.
It looks like I missed with Rijeka. The left society is most developed there (rijecka anarhisticka inicijativa), but i'm not sure how is with right primitivists there.

Yeah, I heard of the Monte Paradiso festival. Sadly, I had to leave the day before it started in 2006. Someone told me that in Pula there is a punk/leftist-friendly part of town and a nazi skinhead one on the other side. I didn't know that until later, so I was staying in the skinhead part which is near the main central bus station. I spent several days just trying to avoid the skins.

[ppofuk]

Yeah, I heard of the Monte Paradiso festival. Sadly, I had to leave the day before it started in 2006. Someone told me that in Pula there is a punk/leftist-friendly part of town and a nazi skinhead one on the other side. I didn't know that until later, so I was staying in the skinhead part which is near the main central bus station. I spent several days just trying to avoid the skins.

Friend told me, they did a march with like 100-150 punks going trough skinhead side of town :)

[communard resolution]

Friend told me, they did a march with like 100-150 punks going trough skinhead side of town :)

Yeah, I think I would have felt safer with 150 punks behind me than I did on my own when I was there... :)

[A-S M.]

yea those darn skinheads... :rolleyes:

http://libcom.org/history/articles/skinheads/

[communard resolution]

yea those darn skinheads... :rolleyes:

http://libcom.org/history/articles/skinheads/

Oh no, here comes the history of skinheads again... ASM: I'm very well aware of all that, but I know a nazi skinhead when I see one. I was obviously referring to nazi skins.

[ahab]

nothing a strategically placed explosive couldnt fix:lol: