Chunk of Wisdom From Peaccenicked - For those of you for wha

[CheGuevara]

Directed to me[CheGuevara]
"Your provocative attitude is counter revolutionary"

[peaccenicked]

I do not admire your discipline comrade.
What was that I was saying about liability.
Your quote is meaningless.
Who would understand the context.
I have the feeling I have upset you. That is no reason to lose discipline so badly, and break the unspoken
rules by which we conduct ourselves on this bb.
comeback into the parlour and explain yourself.

[CheGuevara]

Well then, here's the context.

"Revolutions dont turn out violent because we want them to be. History tends to push bourgeios violence on us.
We dont declare war, they do. Do we want them to put up stiffer resistence. No! The wisest thing is to say nothing, merely defend ourselves as we need to.
Your provocative attitude is counter revolutionary and would lead to the deaths of workers."

It is you who have the explaining to do, claiming that you support the liberation of the workers and at the same time making such an incredibly stupid statement.

[CheGuevara]

Yes, come back into the parlour of the 7th page of a little viewed thread in the Commie Club. Give me a fucking break. I want every member of this bb to see your incompetence, or your true intentions, whichever are responsible for this statement.

[peaccenicked]

I am prepared to defend my words and show you up as the idiot. Who firstly as no sense of decorum. That is apparent by your behaviour which is unprecedented in
its childishness.
Firstly,
What on earth do you mean by my true intentions?
To win the class war without violent jack in the boxes like you pissing off militant workers.
What do you find stupid not advocating the execution of capitalists. Yeh thats exactly what our class enemies want to hear.
The way to get us fucking nowhere, you are a fucking arrogant prick, and making this your platform only proves it.

[CheGuevara]

Talk about childishness, I think everyones favorite 41 year old poster is on the verge of a breakdown. His posts are so sloppily put together they're nearly illegible, despite being typed.

[peaccenicked]

Is this your substantative arquement?
Piss off to your bit of the gutter.

[vox]

Hey, cheg, where's your argument against what peaccenicked wrote?

All I see is your typical name-calling without a shred of argument to back it up. Much like the right-wingers on this board.

C'mon, boy, give an argument or shut your murderous hole.

vox

[CheGuevara]

I wasn't looking to make a substantive argument in this thread, but if you want one, it can be summed up in the fact that "self-defense" is only good when you have something worth defending. If you're only interested in defending what the workers have now, that speaks for itself.

[peaccenicked]

what the fuck do you know about me you asshole?
You are puny fly on my horizon.

[Stormin Norman]

"Yes, come back into the parlour of the 7th page of a little viewed thread in the Commie Club. Give me a fucking break. I want every member of this bb to see your incompetence, or your true intentions, whichever are responsible for this statement."

You need not bring your commie club tiff out in the open in order to expose Peacenicked's incompetence. We are all well aware that he lacks a sane mind. The only thing you are doing here is exposing the communist convictions that some of us have known to be true for some time. No matter how hard Peacenicked tries to pretend that he is a friend of humanity, he can not fool those of us that are capable of seeing through bullshit. If Peacenicked were given the chance he would murder and eat the children of the upper class for breakfast. What commy filth this guy represents. You and Peacenicked are one and the same, CheGuevara. You both advocate theft and murder.

[CheGuevara]

Hahahaha, talk about arrogance.

By the way, you're 41, so I think the word you're looking for is sunset.

(Edited by CheGuevara at 8:25 am on Sep. 25, 2002)

[peaccenicked]

'' If you're only interested in defending what the workers have now, that speaks for itself. ''

'Self defense' moves, we may have a lot to defend in the future and that maybe our very lives.

I did not know that your empiricism is all you have.
Where is the empiricism in my words?


(Edited by peaccenicked at 8:27 am on Sep. 25, 2002)

[vox]

"If you're only interested in defending what the workers have now, that speaks for itself."

Nowhere was that ever stated. Indeed, the propopsition itself is ludicrous, for the ruling class is by and large pleased with its current position. The point, since you're too damn dense to understand anything without someone drawing you a picture (you're very much like the increasingly inane SN in that aspect) is that when the Left advances, the ruling class becomes violent and self-defense is perfectly acceptable.

vox

[peaccenicked]

cheg
you are a fucking stupid arrogant fool who has twisted my words to play a fucking nasty word game with me.
You are the biggest wanker on che lives.

(Edited by peaccenicked at 8:32 am on Sep. 25, 2002)


(Edited by peaccenicked at 8:34 am on Sep. 25, 2002)

[CheGuevara]

Shit man, I'm surprised your keyboard still works with all those tears on it.

[Stormin Norman]

Constantly turning things around. You are the ones who should question your sanity, not I. You are the ones who support the most vile actions committed by human beings, so long as it differs from what you percieve to be capitalist nature. I am convinced that communists would have made better insects than human beings. Does that make me insane? I think not, for I have rationally arrived at this conclusion through extensive investigation and hard work.

[vox]

"I think not, for I have rationally arrived at this conclusion through extensive investigation and hard work."

That's funny, SN, because you sure don't show it here. All you post is garbage, like we'd be better insects than people. You're a joke, SN. Do you even understand that? No one here with any brain at all can take you seriously at this point. You're trolling. :)

I'm very pleased that you've been reduced to that.

vox

[CheGuevara]

YES!!!!! Thanks for clarifying that peace, I was worried that I didn't get the title of "the biggest wanker on che lives" and that Norman stole it from me. Yes!!! Hey, where'd I put that award for "the biggest cry baby on che lives"?

[vox]

cheg, are you ignoring me here just like you're ignoring me in the CC? Nothing to say to me, boy?

How fast can you bckpedal, clown?

vox

[CheGuevara]

We're outnumbered and outgunned, self-defense is not a winning option for the workers.

[peaccenicked]

I am only slightly unnerved by your nastiness.
It is not worth speaking to you. You are a sadist and all you have done is exposed yourself to the public as one and you have no substantial arquement. This is the most piss poor performance on this bb. I have ever witnessed. You have blown any credibility you might slightly have had before right out of the water.
I am suprised how big your brass neck is, to event consider, cheguevara as your nome de plume, why dont you change it to don quixote or thug with red pretensions.
funny ha ha. your incredible ignorance astounds me.

[vox]

"We're outnumbered and outgunned, self-defense is not a winning option for the workers."

And how is your policy of indiscriminate murder a "winning option?" I keep asking and you keep dodging.

You really DON'T have anything to say, do you, cheg? Change your name to Stormin' Norman.

vox

[Stormin Norman]

The best weapon that the workers have to increase their stations in life is education. It has been proven that when the means of production are reduced to the whims of idiots the workings of an economy comes to a halt. Let the people who are capable of providing you with jobs do it, or you will have nothing to eat.

Now, you must forgive me. I must go work to achieve the level of education that I am currently seeking. I don't have anymore time to waste with people who do not understand basic concepts, people who could not think their way out of a paper bag. It is time for me to quit slumming it on Che-lives, and get to work on matters of true significance.

[peaccenicked]

''We're outnumbered and outgunned, self-defense is not a winning option for the workers''
The thoughts of chairman mao make more sense than you.
Since when was defending yourself not a winning option.
If you defend yourself properly then you have won, that is basic military thinking. I bet I could stuff you at chess.

[vox]

Hey, peaccenicked, you like chess? (Perhaps there's something of value which can be salvaged from this pointless thread.)

Me too, though it's been a while since I've really studied it. I can still play a fair game, though (but playing online speed chess has, I fear, deteriorated my skills a bit).

vox

[Stormin Norman]

I doubt someone like yourself has any ability to play chess. Too bad we can't go a round. I would make mince-meat out of you.

[peaccenicked]

Thug with red pretensions.
blinded folded, I could beat you at any war game.
Your political theory proves you are pathetic violent clown. The sort that walks right into traps.

[peaccenicked]

vox I have 1765 as an Elo rating which makes me about 300th in scotland.
(this thread is ridiculous...it is red baiting from a psuedo
leftist, I am appalled)
I play online at the games colony.

[vox]

Is it just me, or has SN truly become a joke? Truly, he's a laughable caricature of a right-winger.

This, too, makes me smile. :)

vox (e4)

[Stormin Norman]

Both of you should put your money where your mouth is. Let's find a way to play online sometime. Enough of the ankle biting. Let's put you girls to the test.

[peaccenicked]

SN.....what a clown, I thought he held a vote that he was losing, nobody wants him here I think AK has went off him. It is terribly sad when no none likes you but thats why I have never joined the conservative party.
I just dont think they would like my politics for some strange reason,
The best way SN is to be a good conformist little chappie work hard for your education and find a nice rich woman to bore and to brutalise, I dont think you are capable of much more. Perhaps you should think about celibacy. It really is nonsense that comes out your rat hole.

Nf6

[vox]

SN,

Why would anyone here play you? I've no doubt, considering the kind of person you've shown yourself to be, that you'd use a chess program to play, and I can do that here.

Peaccenicked,

Not bad at all. I've never been rated. Online my rating hovers around 1700, playing mostly 3 minute chess (and I found out I really suck at one minute games). The use of programs by so many people online made playing longer games very boring. Of course, 3 minute chess online is an entirely different game (especially when you've knocked back a few, which is when I like playing online the best).

Sadly, few people I know around here ever want to play, and they aren't the best players around. When you find yourself making a bad move on purpose, to make things intersting, you know you're not having too much fun. Not that I'm a great player, mind you. I do like it, though.

vox

[vox]

Ah, Alekhine's defense. :)

Nc3

vox

[peaccenicked]

that little sortie into the twightlight zone has tired me out. see ya vox, ta for the support.

[vox]

Np, pn. It gets weird out here in the outer limits, you know. Happily, that's where I live. None of this has quite become too weird for me yet. :)

vox

[RedCeltic]

As El Che can testify... I truly do suck at chess. :)

[El Che]

Hey! lets play chess guys!

I`m going to look up "games colony".

RC, you`re not so bad you just need to stick with it. Chess takes some time and dedication before you understand the beauty of it :)

[El Che]

Ok got it. I`ll pm people to play when i see them online.

[PunkRawker677]

I'll play ya' sometime El Che. But be warned! I'm about as good as a four year old with a raging addiction to ketamine.

[CheGuevara]

"I could beat you at any war game"

Alright then, let's play some Steel Panthers 2 or Steel Panthers MBT.

Look at Waco, or any other similar scenario. Armed self-defense does not work. The government forces can bring inifinitely greater amounts of force on you when you hole yourself up in a self-defense situation.

(Edited by CheGuevara at 7:32 pm on Sep. 25, 2002)

[peaccenicked]

Thug with red pretensions. You live in the paranoid world of an ultra left sectarian.Communists dont live in this 'world'. We dont look at this attack and that attack and draw specific conclusions about the balance of class forces. Communists know that we need the majority on our side. Our defense can only be our numbers. If you are looking for a coup d etat, you are wasting your time with Marxists, wasting our time as Socialists. All you express is your own petty bourgeois angst which like all petty bourgeois childishness expressess no confidence in the potential of the proletariat to win, our war.
To be blatant, you act as an AGENT PROVOCATEUR and have no place in our movement.

[CheGuevara]

I never claimed to be an orthodox Marxist. I'm a Guevarista/Castroista. And this is a Che Guevara forum.

[peaccenicked]

Where a government has come into power through some form of popular vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality, the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted. - Ernesto Che Guevara

[CheGuevara]

A rule that Che did not think important enough not to break.

And when are you going to beat my ass in any wargame?

(Edited by CheGuevara at 2:06 am on Sep. 26, 2002)

[canikickit]

A rule that Che did not think important enough not to break

What a well constructed sentence.
I can't actually wrap my head around that one.

[peaccenicked]

''A rule that Che did not think important enough not to break.''
That is simply totally inane..............Are you saying Che broke it? You are squirming out of your ridiculous fetish for violence which has nothing to do with Che or Fidel only your own fucked up brain. Che and Fidel understood rudimentary marxism orthodox or not.
You use left philosophy for your own sick aggression.
And asshole I would not show a single act of recognition
of your ego..........As far as I can see you are in need of a phorensic psychiatrist.

(Edited by peaccenicked at 2:24 am on Sep. 26, 2002)

[CheGuevara]

What was Che doing in Bolivia?

[peaccenicked]

Do I have to teach you history as well.

''Determined to keep the labor sector under control, Barrientos took away most of the gains it had achieved during the MNR's rule. He placed Comibol under the control of a military director and abolished the veto power of union leaders in management decisions. The president also cut the pay of the miners to the equivalent of US$0.80 a day and reduced the mining work force and the enormous Comibol bureaucracy by 10 percent. Finally, he destroyed the COB and the mine workers' union, suppressed all strike activity, disarmed the miners' militias, and exiled union leaders. Military troops again occupied the mines, and in 1967 they massacred miners and their families at the Catavi-Siglo XX mines.'' From Armed conflicts in Bolivia
Hardly a democratic avenue to be seen . Can you see it?

[CheGuevara]

He was kept in power by an election, after he had already put himself there by means of a coup. Whether it was genuine or not, I don't know. Probably not. But Che's action there still contradicts his statement.

[CheGuevara]

And when do I get to get my spanking in any wargame? Please condescending paternalisitic Peaccenicked("Do I have to teach you history as well." ), when do I get my spanking?

(Edited by CheGuevara at 3:00 am on Sep. 26, 2002)

[peaccenicked]

''Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) agents arrived in Bolivia in the early 1950s, soon after the agency was organized. And by the end of that decade, they had deeply penetrated the Bolivian state and were choosing government officials and setting government policy. In the late 1960s, a former Bolivian interior minister, Antonio Arguedas, revealed that he got his job after agreeing to work for the CIA. He described how the CIA and U.S. corporations manipulated Bolivian elections: "The CIA would evaluate the possibilities of each candidate and then recommend to trusted U.S. companies, or to companies connected with the CIA, to whom to make campaign contributions."
From Che and Bolivia

You are clutching at straws. That is nowhere near a free election....It is not only fraudulent but it does not allow for any democratic avenues.

Otherwise you are twisting the truth in favour of the CIA,
No games with you...........I prefer pleasant honest company.
CHE IN NO WAY BROKE WITH HIS RULE

[CheGuevara]

You're absolutely right, it's nowhere near a free election. Maybe Che just said something silly. I think Che was probably in a good mood and feeling overly idealistic when he wrote that paragraph.

Quit making excuses. Either shut your arrogant, snotty, book in nose, old fart, still living with your mother piehole, or take me on in Steel Panthers. You said you'll beat my ass in any wargame. Now either take it back, or fight me and win. The game's free and available for download at www.wargamer.com

[peaccenicked]

my mother passed away two years ago.

I think I have done enough to prove that you are an overbearing idiot.

[CheGuevara]

Alright, so you lived with your mother for last 39 years of your life.

And where's my game? Come on, quit dodging the issue. Either simply say "Maybe I can't beat CheGuevara's ass in any wargame," or play me. Your choice.

[RedCeltic]

somewhat off toppic... I remember this joke about the GI Joe Dolls... that he army had them invented to get boys interested in the military.. however, don't take boys who play with dolls.

Anyway, War games will only test your ability to playl a vidio game. It festing Military skill as easy as that, west point would have to relocate to the down town vidio arccade. ( do they even have those anymore? lol )

(Edited by RedCeltic at 11:52 pm on Sep. 27, 2002)

[peaccenicked]

I left home when I was 17 idiot

[peaccenicked]

I dont want to play any game with a viper...a sneak and
a utter utter wimp that has to prove that he is a man.
Bhuddist yahoo and christian lion bait.

[CheGuevara]

I'm not suggesting we play Counter-Strike or any of those 3d action games, no matter how realistic. Steel Panthers is a fairly realistic game that covers warfare at the regimental level down or so, from 1945-2020. The units are mostly squads and individual vehicles. It's a pretty old game, but it's very easy to learn how to play and fairly realistic. A user programmed version of it is available for free download at www.wargamer.com only around 45 MB(i have a 56k, so don't ***** about it).

Peaccenicked you overgrown faggot, quit making stupid flowery excuses and fight me.

[canikickit]

Why don't you make some friends on Yahoo! chat and play with them?

[CheGuevara]

"Thug with red pretensions.
blinded folded, I could beat you at any war game.
Your political theory proves you are pathetic violent clown. The sort that walks right into traps."

Refer to page three of this thread to find this for yourself.

[canikickit]

Yeah, but this way you could at least make a friend, instead of bugging some guy that doesn't seem to like you.
It's just a suggestion.

[CheGuevara]

I don't want to be friends with him. I just want the arrogant son of a ***** to take back his words or eat them.

[El Che]

.....................

[peaccenicked]

EAT words. Now kindly fuck off

[Stormin Norman]

"I left home when I was 17 idiot"-from peacenicked

Obviously he has done nothing to improve himself since then. Once a bum always a bum.

[peaccenicked]

I regard myself as a success and thats all that really counts. I have no intention of sharing my business with you.

[Stormin Norman]

"I regard myself as a success and thats all that really counts. I have no intention of sharing my business with you."-from peacenicked

Yeah, I would be ashamed if I were you. There is no harm in that. I know it's not easy to admit to the fact that you're a crazy bum who yells things to people in the streets.

P.S. I don't have any change to spare for you. Get a job!

[peaccenicked]

It is typical of you to make assumptions about something you know absolutely nothing about.....funny fellow.

[Stormin Norman]

At least you have a sense of humor. Funny fellow? What are you eighty years old?

[CheGuevara]

Peaccenicked, why are you such a pussy? One would've thought that at your age you would've grown some balls. Be a man.

[vox]

"Peaccenicked, why are you such a pussy? One would've thought that at your age you would've grown some balls. Be a man."

Translation: Embrace bourgeois stereotypes that further the oppression of women by counterposing the superiority of male genitalia, and by extension men, to female genetalia, and by extension women.

Good work, cheg. You've shown yourself to be a true warrior for the bourgeoisie. You must be very proud.

vox

[CheGuevara]

Damn straight.

Now where's my game you pansy?

[vox]

Hee!

:)

vox

[peaccenicked]

Take a Hint.

[pastradamus]

why did anybody even reply to this thread?

[peaccenicked]

yes. Good point.

[CheGuevara]

Where's my game *****? Bring it.

[vox]

Now cheg uses the term "*****" with a dual purpose. *****, in and of itself, is a nasty word to call someone, but to call a man that has the added effect of "reducing" him to the status of a woman. This "reduction" can be clearly seen in the common use of the term. An example would be "I made him my *****," which, of course, means that the author of the statement had power (class power) over the "*****," a person (man) "reduced" to a woman. In this manner female servitude is codified into a cultural standard, a class standard.

Hey cheg, I thought you were on the Left. Why do you support class society? Are you a raging hypocrite or simply to stupid to understand what you're doing?

vox

[CheGuevara]

Blah blah blah, ram your political correctness up your ass Vox. Get on to the street. Try explaining the supposed class implications of the term '*****' to some working class guy on the street. See how much you advance the struggle then, when they dismiss you as a arrogant and haughty son of a *****. But that doesn't matter, does it? Results for the working class don't matter, only your smug little face when you think that Papa Marx is looking down pleased at his little dogmatic *****.

[vox]

cheg,

Wow. How amazingly right-wing of you. SN couldn't have said it better.

See, here's the problem. The very first thing you do is dismiss the true equality of women as "political correctness." Have you been taking lessons from Ann Coulter? By dismissing this you reveal that you do not care about class divisions, for I clearly made the argument that this is a class division and you didn't argue that it isn't. How can a socialist not care about class divisions? He can't. I say, right here and right now, that you're not a socialist at all. You do not care one little bit about a classless society, only in the murderous revenge you've ranted about so often on this board. Your "philosophy," such as it is, has no grounding in anything, it seems, but your foul hatred.

Then you go on about the working class, which you seem to hold in quite low regard. You say that they can't understand class, but isn't that what Marx and socialism are all about? You know, cheg, quite a few members of the working class in the US voted for Bush. You do know that, right? Does that mean we shouldn't talk about Bush, either, because the working class will dismiss us as "haughty and arrogant?" Of course not, though you might disagree with that, since you're right-wing credentials are becoming clearer with every post you make.

Fact is, I agree with a Debsian style vanguard, not one which orders, but one that teaches. I've been on the "streets," son. I've talked to a lot of people. Some wanted to kill me. Others were more worried about what was for lunch. Some, though, gave positive feedback. That's the way it goes.

The question, however, still remains. How can you support a classless society when you support a class division based on gender? You didn't even try to answer. I really don't think you can answer. I think you're quite hateful and not very bright.

Prove me wrong.

vox

(Edited by vox at 1:53 am on Sep. 29, 2002)

[CheGuevara]

Nobody's perfect. I don't see you living in a loin cloth, squatting on property, and killing deer for food, nor do I feel that you should. Which means you're giving money to the capitalist exploiters. We're in this system, so we're going to be supporting it in some way until after the revolution, even you, Mr High and Mighty Vox, so let's worry about the big ways our actons support the capitalists, and not the little shit like calling someone '*****.' Unless you're going to run around in a loin cloth.

[Mazdak]

.... This is a pretty damned funny thread.

Vox- your political correctness is to the utmost disgusting level. I could see trying to to be offensive, but you take all insults as sexist, homophobic, or racist. That is pretty sad.

I don't know much about this CheGueverra's politics, so i won't bother trying to give my unwanted help to either side.