Metalheads unite!!!

[Carbonero]

Any metalheads in the house? :D

[spartan]

Yep here's one:)

Who's your favourite metal band?

Mine is Iron Maiden.

[Revulero]

mine is arch enemy especially with their hot vocalist:blushing:

[Sharon den Adel]

I like metal, especially Within Temptation, Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, and Delain.

Arch Enemy is not too bad. 'We Will Rise' is probably their best song, IMO.

[Module]

Helloween, anyone??

[Kami]

Helloween, anyone??
Hell yes

When you say "unite" do we all sort of meld together into one giant metalhead or something?

[Patchd]

Nuh uh, Gojira, now that is one fucking wicked band.

[Kropotesta]

No, but saw Trigger the Bloodshed recently, pretty brutal stuff.
http://www.myspace.com/triggerthebloodshed

[nvm]

Megadeeeth

Also Arch enemy
I killed the prom queen
Metallica
Slayer
Kreator
Overkill
Job For a Cowboy
Cannibal Corpse
In Flames

and more

[Mujer Libre]

Stoner/Doom metal ftw! :)

[Sharon den Adel]

Does anyone else like female fronted metal bands?:)

[chimx]

Female fronted metal bands can be alright, but they are few and far between. I don't think Arch Enemy is that great to be perfectly honest. If you are into mosh metal Walls of Jericho has a few good songs. Personally my favorite female fronted metal band is Battle of Mice -- probably one of the most original metal bands out there, and very evil.

[spartan]

The question you should be asking is does anyone like female fronted metal bands and not only because a good looking female is fronting them?

I like a few songs from bands like Nightwish, Lacuna Coil and Within Temptation, but i think that the mainstream record companies are catching on to the fact that metal bands with good looking female lead singers = lots of records sold! which will probably spell the demise of the genre sooner than later unforunately:(

Epica are an alright band as well.

[Module]

The question you should be asking is does anyone like female fronted metal bands and not only because a good looking female is fronting them?

I like a few songs from bands like Nightwish, Lacuna Coil and Within Temptation, but i think that the mainstream record companies are catching on to the fact that metal bands with good looking female lead singers = lots of records sold! which will probably spell the demise of the genre sooner than later unforunately:(

Epica are an alright band as well.

Believe it or not, female fronted metal bands generally have female singers because they are genuinely good singers. Show me an example otherwise.

And how on earth will that 'spell the demise of the genre'?? Because there are female lead singers? :confused:

[chimx]

Des:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1g6viZ3DEw

[Sharon den Adel]

I like a few songs from bands like Nightwish, Lacuna Coil and Within Temptation, but i think that the mainstream record companies are catching on to the fact that metal bands with good looking female lead singers = lots of records sold!

There are a few bands out there that are female fronted, and they manage to sell millions of records, but the music is awful and the singer is talentless, but happens to be someone quite nice to look at.
Within Temptation, Lacuna Coil and Nightwish are lucky to have female singers with a lot of talent, but all three are good looking, too.

[Kropotesta]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkPb4s0-QcI&feature=related

[Malakangga]

hello,hello. Great thread hah?

I'm the great GRINDCORE huge fans
I played in 3 GRINDCORE bands in my city

viva for all metallian people aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhh

[Led Zeppelin]

Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden.

[Holden Caulfield]

i do like the Misfits but

all metal is over the top noise by classically trained public school boys, rebelling before they turn into clones of their parents, and who are in need of a hair cut,

bring on the abuse

(edit, loving the old skool rap on this thread!! much love Krop! )

[spartan]

And how on earth will that 'spell the demise of the genre'?? Because there are female lead singers? :confused:

No not because there are female lead singers but because the big record companies always taint and commercialise whatever they touch which could potentially lead to this genre's demise.

This is especially true when you see that most pictures of these bands now mainly focus on the lead singer and her good looks rather than the band as a whole (Which will probably lead to frustration for the other band members who may leave the band).

It happened to heavy metal during the 80's (Hair metal) but the real metal bands (Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, etc) all survived that era and have even outlived grunge, nu-metal and even emo!

Just look at Def Leppard they have recently had a top 10 album in both the UK and the US i think!

Anyway back on topic i hope that female fronted metal bands dont disappear as there are some pretty good bands out there like Nightwish and Lacuna Coil (Though no metal band comes close to Iron Maiden).

[Sharon den Adel]

Anyway back on topic i hope that female fronted metal bands dont disappear as there are some pretty good bands out there like Nightwish and Lacuna Coil (Though no metal band comes close to Iron Maiden).

Nightwish with Tarja or Anette? Personally, I prefer Tarja. She's much better looking, and I adore her voice.:)

[RHIZOMES]

I hate a lot of metalheads. I like some metal but I just can't get past how many metalheads I've met that are elitist idiotic fascist-leaning pricks.

[spartan]

Nightwish with Tarja or Anette? Personally, I prefer Tarja. She's much better looking, and I adore her voice.:)
To tell you the truth i havent heard any of Nightwish's stuff with the new lead singer so i will have to reserve judgement on that one.

All the magazines i read always have good things to say about this new Nightwish though so i suppose it cant be all that bad.

And yeah i agree Tarja has a wonderful voice.

[Plagueround]

I hate a lot of metalheads. I like some metal but I just can't get past how many metalheads I've met that are elitist idiotic fascist-leaning pricks.

I agree. I love quite a few metal bands, but nothing makes me /facepalm more than the average metalhead.

"Destroyerthon is true metal man!"
"Fuck you dude, Destryerthon is just a watered down ripoff of Murderfirstface!"
"Murderfistface sold out dude!"
"Whatever poseur! You listen to mainstream music."
repeat until the end of time...

[Red_or_Dead]

Nightwish with Tarja or Anette? Personally, I prefer Tarja. She's much better looking, and I adore her voice.:)


Agreed! Tarja was great with Nightwish.

Why did she leave anyway?

[Das war einmal]

I like lots of metal, especially Thrash, but lately I mostly listen to Industrial...

22nd June: Ministry :cool:

[Wanted Man]

all metal is over the top noise by classically trained public school boys, rebelling before they turn into clones of their parents, and who are in need of a hair cut,

bring on the abuse
Fuck you man. :p

As for the discussion about female-fronted bands, I wouldn't generalise. It can be very good. Just as long as we're talking about metal. The problem with many of those bands is not one of being a female-fronted metal band, but of making godawful music which is just the same few power chords combined with ghostly wailing from both the keyboard and the singer. Both male- and female-fronted bands do this. There's nothing wrong with good prog metal, but there is a line that can be crossed when it becomes all about appealing to the emo kids by making godawful wailing instead of metal. The same goes for power metal, it's not as if Dragonforce is representative of all of that subgenre.

[Holden Caulfield]

also (dragonforce reminded me) metal bands have silly names that sound like them came straight from the equally as shitty and nerdy World of Warcraft type of geekdom,

plus the t-shirts they put out look stupid like child has been let loose with a box on coloured crayons,

the bands need to know that the outfits they wear become ridicolous at a certain age,

did i mention the hair cut thing?

[Lord Testicles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfdqV_sqal0&feature=related

[Red_or_Dead]

also (dragonforce reminded me) metal bands have silly names that sound like them came straight from the equally as shitty and nerdy World of Warcraft type of geekdom,

plus the t-shirts they put out look stupid like child has been let loose with a box on coloured crayons,

the bands need to know that the outfits they wear become ridicolous at a certain age,

did i mention the hair cut thing?


Dragonforce is an awesome name for an awesome band.

WTF is wrong with fantasy?

Heavy metal T-shirts are the coolest.

Why would this be a matter of age?

[Holden Caulfield]

no it isnt,

everything,

no they arent

and they look stupid when they wear leather pants, but then again so does everybody

[Red_or_Dead]

no it isnt,

everything,

no they arent

and they look stupid when they wear leather pants, but then again so does everybody

crap

crap, crap

crapedy- crap crap

leather pants can look very cool, if they arent too tight.

[Holden Caulfield]

grunge & punk should have killed metal off when we had the chance

[Das war einmal]

I agree. I love quite a few metal bands, but nothing makes me /facepalm more than the average metalhead.

"Destroyerthon is true metal man!"
"Fuck you dude, Destryerthon is just a watered down ripoff of Murderfirstface!"
"Murderfistface sold out dude!"
"Whatever poseur! You listen to mainstream music."
repeat until the end of time...


Yeah I recognise that....I was a little like that before, then I realized that certain metalheads werent progressive at all and your dialogue is pretty close to the reality hehe

[Das war einmal]

grunge & punk should have killed metal off when we had the chance


Why cant people listen to grunge, punk and metal at the same time? I know I do...

[Holden Caulfield]

Why cant people listen to grunge, punk and metal at the same time? I know I do...

punk and grunge are stripped down and simplified, made less pretentious, less complex and more sensical,

they gave it anger in place of screaming about the size of your cock or someother none sense, it gave it meaning and it almost destroyed it,

punk & grunge are the antithesis to metals thesis

[Dystisis]

punk and grunge are stripped down and simplified, made less pretentious, less complex and more sensical,

they gave it anger in place of screaming about the size of your cock or someother none sense, it gave it meaning and it almost destroyed it,

punk & grunge are the antithesis to metals thesis
You are full of bullshit.

Why is it people are allowed to criticize crappy Hollywood movies, bad quality art in the form of f.ex. drama-soap-series and commercialized piss but when someone says something about music genres being crap they are all of a sudden "pretentious arseholes"?

Punk is a good form for letting your message be heard, but as a music form, meaning the song structures and creativity involved, it is rubbish.

I have yet to hear metal where the lyrics are about "screaming about the size of your cock", but this ridiculous notion suggests you have listened to the wrong music. Of course you will find people who are not serious with their music in all the genres, people who only care about the actual performance of the music instead of actually playing with the language of sound and the organization of rhythm/vibrational frequencies.

[Wanted Man]

grunge & punk should have killed metal off when we had the chance
Where are they now? They're either cynical and frustrated or turned into (or taken over or co-opted by) mainstream altrock. Metal has been consistently awesome.

[Jazzratt]

Agreed! Tarja was great with Nightwish.

Why did she leave anyway?

She treated the rest of the band like shit, so they booted her out.

Also: Holden stop fucking trolling.

[communard resolution]

Punk is a good form for letting your message be heard, but as a music form, meaning the song structures and creativity involved, it is rubbish. Punk and metal have influenced each other more often than metalheads and punks care to admit.

NWOBHM: punk influenced, esp Motorhead and early Maiden
glam and sleaze metal: 70s punk influenced
thrash: hardcore punk influenced
hardcore punk from ca 1985: metal influenced
thrash in the late 80s: mid-80s hardcore punk influenced
early 90s death metal: grindcore influenced
grindcore from mid 90s onward: death metal influenced

and so on.

You may think punk is rubbish and uncreative, but metal musicians certainly don't think so.

[Holden Caulfield]

You are full of bullshit.

Why is it people are allowed to criticize crappy Hollywood movies, bad quality art in the form of f.ex. drama-soap-series and commercialized piss but when someone says something about music genres being crap they are all of a sudden "pretentious arseholes"?

Punk is a good form for letting your message be heard, but as a music form, meaning the song structures and creativity involved, it is rubbish.

I have yet to hear metal where the lyrics are about "screaming about the size of your cock", but this ridiculous notion suggests you have listened to the wrong music. Of course you will find people who are not serious with their music in all the genres, people who only care about the actual performance of the music instead of actually playing with the language of sound and the organization of rhythm/vibrational frequencies.

to shoot myself down a quote from Kurt Cobain

"for every pissy self appointed rock critic there are a thousand screaming teenagers"

[Dystisis]

You may think punk is rubbish and uncreative, but metal musicians certainly don't think so.
You are proven false by the fact that I am a musician. To be specific though, there is some Punk I listen to now and then and it certainly has it's moments. Black Flag, for example. I am not really against the whole movement, more the fact that the performancers are not interested in music or song structure but getting a message or image across. Which is fine, but good music?


to shoot myself down a quote from Kurt Cobain

"for every pissy self appointed rock critic there are a thousand screaming teenagers"
Right, because alot more teens listen to Punk than they listen to heavy rock and metal...

[professorchaos]

I know I can't change your musical taste but have you considered the idea that music can be simplistic and still good? See: Bob Dylan.

[Mujer Libre]

Um people... not all metal is super-technical, death-esque stuff, or power metal songs about vikings and dragons.

All the criticisms here are based on a really shallow, simplified understanding of what metal is. In reality, there is considerable overlap between punk and metal, blues and metal etc.

There's doom metal which is, at its core, heavy, slow blues and then there's thrash (and related genres) which are closely related to punk.

So maybe people should stop talking out of their arses?

And profchaos, I love Dylan too- that doesn't stop me from listening to metal either.

[communard resolution]

You are proven false by the fact that I am a musician.Very well then. Would you say your band is as good as Motorhead, early Maiden, Slayer, Metallica, Guns N'Roses, Megadeth, and Anthrax - all of whom were influenced by punk? If you're a musician, you shouldn't think in terms of genres anyway.


I am not really against the whole movement, more the fact that the performancers are not interested in music or song structure but getting a message or image across. Which is fine, but good music?There's been enough crap metal bands that were only interested in image, and the same applies to punk. You obviously haven't heard a lot of good punk.

Like another poster pointed out, musical talent isn't defined by how many complex riffs and tricky time signatures you can come up with. Music has to do with emotions, and if a song works on that level it doesn't matter if it's complex or primitive. I like both metal and punk rock. I like some classical music, which I suppose can be quite complex, but I enjoy a simple pop or folk song equally. Even the best classical pieces usually have a simple, catchy motif at its base. I hate music that's only fun for other musicians to listen to.

I have to say I like metal dudes and dudettes, they tend to be in-your-face people that are fun to party with.

[Red_or_Dead]

She treated the rest of the band like shit, so they booted her out.


Ah. The female Axl Rose. Fucking shame.


Like another poster pointed out, musical talent isn't defined by how many complex riffs and tricky time signatures you can come up with. Music has to do with emotions, and if a song works on that level it doesn't matter if it's complex or primitive. I like both metal and punk rock. I like some classical music, which I suppose can be quite complex, but I enjoy a simple pop or folk song equally. Even the best classical pieces usually have a simple, catchy motif at its base. I hate music that's only fun for other musicians to listen to.

Yeah, like someone pointed out, Bob Dylan has simple music, but hes still great. Music is music. Listen to it, enjoy it, dont make a fuss about it.


I have to say I like metal dudes and dudettes, they tend to be in-your-face people that are fun to party with.

Thanks!:)

[Dystisis]

I hate music that's only fun for other musicians to listen to.
To be perfectly honest, I consider what we determine as "fun to listen to" to be determined by market forces, sellability and marketability amongst other things.

Popular music genres always varies in time and places depending on a load of things, but most notably culture. The culture is today ruled by money, in the sense that what you release must be profitable (or else it will not become part of the culture -- popular culture).

I am not saying that all popular artists are crap, but I am saying that you see them not because they are good or "emotive" about their music, but because the music is sellable and presentable in available formats, etc. Because of advertizing this also determines what people like to listen to.

Musicians vary a great deal in their music taste just like other folks, otherwise all musicians would be creating the same music.

Something I think is missing today are words to describe different types of music. This differentiation would be based on form of usage, not necessarily genre based. Example of categorization would be:
1. Background music (music for setting the theme in the background while you do something else)
2. Involving music (music that you focus on, music fitting for this purpose)
3. "Party music" (music good for "social activities", performing live++)

Anyone who has tried editing movies and using audio tracks will know what I mean when I say I concider this categorization meaningfull.