4th July Protest in London, USA and Germany against NWO!

[DropZoneRecords]

Not sure if this is the correct place to put this on the forum, I am new here so apoligies... just thought those in Germany, the UK and the USA might find this of interest?

4th July 2008 Global Protest Against the New World Order. 4th July - Outside the House of Parliament (UK) 4th July - Outside the White House in DC (US) 4th July - On Brandenburger Tor in Berlin... Time for us to to expose the New World Order for the corrupt regime they are! Make sure you get to one of the locations and take as many people with you as you can. Mass exposure is required and YOU are needed! The change must not come from government, it must come from us, we the people!
This is not a protest, this is a stand off. We need to let them know with how many people we are :-)

[YKTMX]

What a crock of shit.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/4/tinfoil-hat.jpg

[DropZoneRecords]

What is a crock of shit is your rude reply to a fellow comrade. I joined this forum last night and I am getting people posting things like this already?

Firstly, take your conspiresy crap and shove it! Exactly tell me where the "shit" is. The CFR exists, as does the UN, the invasion of Iraq happened and Guantanamo bay exists. I myself have been threatened with an ASBO and arrested TWICE under the Prevention of Terrorism. I also live in Glasgow and was in Glasgow the day of the airport bombing, I was and am totally aware of the lies that were put out in the press around that subject AND 9/11 and 7/7. I DID NOT IMAGINE MY ARREST! So where is the conspiresy?

On a forum where people discuss REVOLUTION, I think its appalling to speak to a fellow comrade AND ACTIVE ACTIVIST in this manner. I hope others agree with me on that. Whether you believe in the NWO or not, your comment is disgusting!

[bootleg42]

What is a crock of shit is your rude reply to a fellow comrade. I joined this forum last night and I am getting people posting things like this already?

I appologize for my fellow comrades on being rude but you should know that most of us here don't really believe that whole NWO stuff. There are a ton of threads about the whole conspiracy theory stuff here and you'll see what we think about it.


Firstly, take your conspiresy crap and shove it! Exactly tell me where the "shit" is.

First you should look up who started the whole "NWO" stuff. Look up the John Birch society. They are a far-right group, very anti-socialist, and they started the NWO theory.


The CFR exists,

So do many think tanks, what does that have to do with this???


as does the UN, the invasion of Iraq happened and Guantanamo bay exists.

The U.N. is an organization that has tried to do many good in the world. Maybe you should read many of their drafts and resolutions and see who usually votes alone against the rest of the world.

The invasion of Iraq happened for the U.S. to gain it's Hegemony over the potential of Europe and Asia.


I myself have been threatened with an ASBO and arrested TWICE under the Prevention of Terrorism. I also live in Glasgow and was in Glasgow the day of the airport bombing,

More info please???


I was and am totally aware of the lies that were put out in the press around that subject AND 9/11 and 7/7. I DID NOT IMAGINE MY ARREST! So where is the conspiresy?

Look up on youtube Noam Chomsky talking about the whole 9/11 conspiracy thing. He pretty much kills it. There are 3 different videos on it.


On a forum where people discuss REVOLUTION, I think its appalling to speak to a fellow comrade AND ACTIVE ACTIVIST in this manner. I hope others agree with me on that. Whether you believe in the NWO or not, your comment is disgusting!

I hope our comrades are nicer but I also hope people do resereach before posting stuff here.

[DropZoneRecords]

Bootleg, thanks for your response.

Ok firstly, ... I do believe in in alot of the "conspiresy stuff" I dont find it confusing, mad, paranoid etc, infact I feel it lies perfectly with my socialist political views. I know alot of people who are socialist but donot believe in any Skull and bones, Bohemian Grove, Yale University etc ... I personally find this VERY odd as these subjects are all interconnected. I dont believe that the CFR is just a think tank. Comments made by the Rothchilds etc, the fact that Blair admits he is a crowned "Knight of Malta" etc, the contracts to which he allowed pass due to masonic ties etc within these industries shows clearly to me the capitalist agenda of these people.

I dont understand your logic of the invasion of Iraq, please explain more. As for the UN, I would ask more questions over its motives and its support of rich white people at the expence of ethnic and working class people... looking at Rwanda as an example.

As for my arrests, what info do you want mate. i was doing shows and was arrested on my return for what I believe to be talking out about Bush and Blair on stage.

I have spoken to Noam Chomsky before via the net about 9/11 and I agreed to disagree as I think anyone who cant see this as an inside job seriously needs to look deeper, this also goes for the inaccuries and inconsistencies in the official 7/7 report.

Finally, I feel the truth movement is globally the biggest movement around today with the best chance of a revolution being born out of it.

Again I thank you for your reply.

[YKTMX]

The CFR exists, as does the UN, the invasion of Iraq happened and Guantanamo bay exists.

Yes. And? Do you think the fact that there is an actual place called Lapland or that real reindeer exist is evidence for the existence of Santa Claus?


I also live in Glasgow and was in Glasgow the day of the airport bombing, I was and am totally aware of the lies that were put out in the press around that subject AND 9/11 and 7/7

You're suggesting the attack on the airport was also "staged"?

[An archist]

Finally, I feel the truth movement is globally the biggest movement around today with the best chance of a revolution being born out of it.


You're delusional if you really believe that, wait and see how many show up the 4th.

[YKTMX]

You're delusional if you really believe that, wait and see how many show up the 4th.

Exactly. Conspiracists can certainly be motivated to spend hours trawling the internet but can they be motivated to actually leave the house?

[Herman]

Hey guys! Did you know that there actually is a New World Order? We're being ruled by the Templar Knights who actually survived as an organization since the middle ages. If you don't believe me, check out these videos and judge for yourself!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBNI4pmbXU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ-jkqwptjE&feature=related

[redSHARP]

i love conspiracy theories. they keep people asking questions, no matter how or why they are asked, they are. and as we all know asking questions is very dangerous in any society. how would you react if the US was really behind 9/11? or the soviets were behind kennedy? what about there really being a NWO (which i dont know shit about)? if we dont ask questions or continue to look no matter what direction it takes us, then we might as well believe in the bible (which of course we should ask question about also).

[sonicbluetm]

If any of you believe that the ruling classes of the world are not communicating and coordinating activities in order to keep and even strengthen their position of power, can you really call yourselves socialists? I mean, you can call this what you want, a natural confluence of interests, an informal pact, a far-reaching conspiracy, the NWO or whatever else, but I don't think you can deny that it is happening in some fashion.
Globalization is most certainly not something that would be occurring of its own accord if it weren't for the ruling classes' intense interest and involvement in it. I'd go as far as to say that they're pretty much the only ones pushing it, and increasingly, particularly in the past few years, meeting with resistance from the common people, who are waking up to what their grand scheme is really all about: EVER MORE power for themselves.
THAT'S what this movement is about, and I don't mean just the groups who believe that it's as tightly organized as a super-secret worldwide cabal called the New World Order.
If you're pro-globalization, I think you should reconsider your membership on this forum.

[An archist]

If any of you believe that the ruling classes of the world are not communicating and coordinating activities in order to keep and even strengthen their position of power, can you really call yourselves socialists? I mean, you can call this what you want, a natural confluence of interests, an informal pact, a far-reaching conspiracy, the NWO or whatever else, but I don't think you can deny that it is happening in some fashion.
Globalization is most certainly not something that would be occurring of its own accord if it weren't for the ruling classes' intense interest and involvement in it. I'd go as far as to say that they're pretty much the only ones pushing it, and increasingly, particularly in the past few years, meeting with resistance from the common people, who are waking up to what their grand scheme is really all about: EVER MORE power for themselves.
THAT'S what this movement is about, and I don't mean just the groups who believe that it's as tightly organized as a super-secret worldwide cabal called the New World Order.
If you're pro-globalization, I think you should reconsider your membership on this forum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G8

[KrazyRabidSheep]

Where exactly does Skull & Bones come in?

Or is it the Bavarian Illuminati on this one?

[Herman]

If any of you believe that the ruling classes of the world are not communicating and coordinating activities in order to keep and even strengthen their position of power, can you really call yourselves socialists? I mean, you can call this what you want, a natural confluence of interests, an informal pact, a far-reaching conspiracy, the NWO or whatever else, but I don't think you can deny that it is happening in some fashion.
Globalization is most certainly not something that would be occurring of its own accord if it weren't for the ruling classes' intense interest and involvement in it. I'd go as far as to say that they're pretty much the only ones pushing it, and increasingly, particularly in the past few years, meeting with resistance from the common people, who are waking up to what their grand scheme is really all about: EVER MORE power for themselves.
THAT'S what this movement is about, and I don't mean just the groups who believe that it's as tightly organized as a super-secret worldwide cabal called the New World Order.
If you're pro-globalization, I think you should reconsider your membership on this forum.

I don't think you understand the nature of social classes, in particular the bourgeoisie, aka capitalists.

[sonicbluetm]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G8

Exactly. Thank you for supporting my argument. I would also add to that the WTO and other organizations which are JUST as important (if not more) but which actually ARE shrouded in secrecy, like The Council on Foreign Relations or The Trilateral Commission.

If you wouldn't characterize an accusation of manipulative, anti-democratic and even autocratic practices leveled against the WTO as a conspiracy theory, then neither should that same accusation leveled against the CFR be characterized as such.

The use of the pejorative term "conspiracy theorist" is just a clever way, put forward by those very people who seek shelter from prying eyes, to marginalize those who would seek to scrutinize them. The cleverest thing about it is that they ensnare the very public for whose benefit such scrutiny would work, and induce it to thus do harm to itself.

This is not a unique nor original technique, however. It has been practiced in this manner for close to a century in the United States. It was the corporations' chief strategy for creating the "consumer machines" that most Americans are today. It's the very same technique that was used to marginalize socialism itself. To this day to admit to being a socialist is akin to admitting insanity in most Americans' eyes.

[BreakingTheMatrix]

"What a crock of shit."


Erm....

"CNN Poll: 90% Believe US Government covering up 9/11"

"BBC News - Politics - Brown wants a 'new world order'"

"Document: New world order: George Bush's speech 6 Mar 1991.

"Mossad & CIA Committed 9-11: Italian President"

"The Haig-Kissinger Depopulation Policy"

"BBC News - UK Politics - Blair's push for a new world order"

"BBC NEWS | Europe | Blair faces war crimes suit"

"Cranmer: Lisbon Treaty introduces EU-wide death penalty"

"Sarkozy and Brown push Blair for EU presidency - International News"

"Daily Mail - Met Police officers to be 'microchipped'"

"Youtube - Benazir Bhutto: Bin Laden was Murdered"

"Blair planned Iraq War from start - Times Online"

"US to invade Iran by August - Asia Times"

- Call yourself Anarchists and Revolutionaries? A comrade has come here to request help and you insult him because of your lack of knowledge on Global affairs?

Believe me, I have been to the G8 protests, and had my head kicked in by Riot police just like anyone else. I have been out there in the street with over 100.000 angry protesters last year in Berlin too, while we stood up to the government.

If you believe that either the New World Order or 9/11 being an inside job are conspiracies I would suggest talking less, and doing more research.

We are in a situation at the moment, where the American Union, European Union, Asian and African Union are coming together. This is their New World Order.

Want to know where the 'term' New World Order comes from?

Why dont you try...

Albert Pike: Three World Wars and the New World Order.

and Adolph Hitler - Mein Kampf 2 - My New World Order.

What about...

"The Guardian - How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power"

- Dont you realise this is the biggest fight of our lives, and you people are sleeping ?? You are insane to be blind to this !

We are in a BIG mess here, so what is it going to be, do we all get together and try and find a way out of here, or are you going to carry on being ignorant thinking Muslims made NORAD stand down, made all the CCTV footage of the Pentagon disappear, released the 4 MOSSAD agents who were arrested that day by local police in a truckload full of explosives, without charges and deported them back to Israel based on the fact that they didn't have a visa, and made WTC7 fall down because of fire and dust. Whats it going to be? Everywhere people are waking up to the truth, but you guys, who call yourself Anarchists and Revolutionaries are siding with the same homocidal liars who are murdering more innocent people out there and causing more poverty - You have seen the stock market recently haven't you? Heard about the Global Food crisis yet?
Maybe you would of heard about a gentleman called Heinz Alfred Kissinger who was behind Nixons attempt at a New World Order, and called in the UN for an immediate depopulation of 80% of mankind (Think you are going to be one of the lucky ones? - You dont even know who this man is). He is also the one behind the moto "He who controls the food, controls the people" - And he is the adviser to Bush on all Foreign Policies, top man at the CFR, Bilderberg Group and Club of Rome, and was selected to be the head of the 9/11 commision. Want to read one of his quotes?

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

Dr Heinz Alfred Kissinger a.k.a. Henry Kissinger.

You know what your problem is, you are all CONSPIRACY NUTS. You cant even tell when you are being lied to and screwed over. The Revolution is NOW, those ignorant to it are part of the problem, not the answer.

You've all been scammed, you haven't got the insight to see it, and then you have the nerve to call real freedom fighters, names...

I have news for you...YOU ARE THE NEW WORLD ORDER!

[BreakingTheMatrix]

Where exactly does Skull & Bones come in?

Or is it the Bavarian Illuminati on this one?

Skull and Bones have their roots in the Thule Society (Bavarian Illuminati), these are the people who sponsored Hitler. Hitler was a member of them in 1919. He used the same New World Order motto to go with it, the same skull logo and had the number '32' where as Skull and Bones have the number '322'. Prescott Bush was the original Bush to enter the society. Son and grandson followed his steps.

If you think the Thule Society never existed and WW2 was sponsored by Adidas instead of some of the rich Zionist banking families such as the Bush family and the Rothschild family, then you really need to do some research into History. This has already been proven now and is public knowledge in the news papers...

So, here we have the most powerful man in the world, 90% of the people believe he committed a Reichsstadt type of False Flag terror on his own citizens, introduced the Patriot Act, killed the constitution, an illegal invasion of Iraq leading to over 1 million innocent victims dead, FEMA prison camps all over the US and EU, Martial Law just around the corner, the murder of the USA and the forming of the North American Union, the de-flation of his own currency and destruction of the countries economy, the introduction of implantable microchips, and he is Grandson of the man who sponsored the 3rd Reich (Proven), and you feel you have nothing to worry about...??

"
Chapter 2
The New World order
by Adolf Hitler



If you wish to prevent a revolution by anticipation, the first thing you must do, as soon as the situation becomes critical, is to kill off the whole anti-social rabble; and you can do this only if you have already gathered them safely together in a concentration camp."




- Herald Tribune, 31.12.2007


"They are in railroad depots. They are in old grain stores and recycled factories. Some are brand new, others are in adjuncts of prisons. One is on a ship anchored in the Dutch port of Rotterdam.

From Ireland to Bulgaria, from Finland to Spain, detention have mushroomed across the European Union. They have emerged mostly over the past decade, as the region has grown less and less. There is no maximum length of stay."



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Might be a good moment, for everyone to wake up :-)

[BreakingTheMatrix]

Hey guys! Did you know that there actually is a New World Order? We're being ruled by the Templar Knights who actually survived as an organization since the middle ages. If you don't believe me, check out these videos and judge for yourself!


... Again, just for you... :-)

"BBC News - Politics - Brown wants a 'new world order'"

"BBC News - UK Politics - Blair pushes for a 'new world order'"

"EUX-TV: Sarkozy calls for a UN-led 'new world order'"

"CNN - Pope calls for a New World Order - Jan. 1. 2004"

"Russia's New World Order - TIME"

"Document - George Bush's New World Order speech, 6 Mar 1991"

"The term "New World Order" was actually first used many years ago. Adolf Hitler said: "National Socialism will use its own revolution for the establishing of a new world order." The Associated Press reported that on July 26, 1968, New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller said in a speech to the International Platform Association at the Sheraton Park Hotel in New York, that "as President he would work toward international creation of a New World Order."

Notice how they haven't even changed the name? I mean, they could have called themselves the Imperialist Empire for all I care, but dont you think you have something to worry about when it seems quite clear that our International government is quoting exact speeches out of Hitlers book?

Hmmm....

[BreakingTheMatrix]

Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera:

“All the [intelligence services] of America and Europe…know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the Mossad, with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part … in Iraq [and] Afghanistan.”

Cossiga was elected president of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide election to become president of the country in 1985, and he remained until 1992.

Cossiga’s tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment, and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio. This was a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 1960s, 1970s and ’80s. Gladio’s specialty was to carry out what they termed “false flag” operations—terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force … the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”

Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9-11 in 2001, and is quoted by 9-11 researcherWebster Tarpley saying “The mastermind of the attack must have been a sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and
flight security personnel.”

Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga’s assertion that the 9-11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge among global intelligence agencies is illuminating. It is one more eye-opening confirmation that has not been mentioned by America’s propaganda machine in print or on TV. Nevertheless, because of his experience and status in the world, Cossiga cannot be discounted as a crackpot."


Quote from Ariel Sharon...

“Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don't care.”

"A lie should be tried in a place where it will attract the attention of the world".

- You know, you guys really should stand up and be a part of the Revolution. The truth is coming out and people are waking up. Don't miss out because your sat in front of the TV watching FOX :-)

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w w w . youtube . com / watch?v=3Lxcq8fGY9w

I say we all stand up on the 4th of July 2008 together and tell our Government that they no longer hold any influence over us.

Where is the harm in taking part ??

[BreakingTheMatrix]

I cant understand how sleepy people can be.
First Adolph Hitler's New World Order, and now we have the UN's New World Order and no one can see the connection ?? Would it help you if all our governments started saluting one another with "Heil New World Order" - would that make it more obvious for you ??

[BreakingTheMatrix]

"We're being ruled by the Templar Knights who actually survived as an organization since the middle ages."

- When ignorance reigns life is lost !!

Never heard of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta ??

And before you have any smart remarks about how they have hospitals set up everywhere so they cant possibly be evil...

- Fascist Dictator Francisco Franco was a Grandmaster and a Knight of Malta...

Think Franco was a nice guy, do you? Want to go to Catalunya (Barcelona) and say that to the people and see what their reaction is?

And before you think that these people are out the way, why don't you have a look at their website and see who their members are ??

Now, considering the fact that Franco has only been dead for 30 years, at what stage did you think these organizations died or faded out?

Again, I repeat...

"When ignorance reigns life is LOST!"

[BreakingTheMatrix]

"I hope our comrades are nicer but I also hope people do resereach before posting stuff here."

- No offense meant, but maybe you should do a little more 'research' before dismissing other peoples concerns.

United Nations good ?? - Maybe you should try reading the Haig-Kissinger depopulation policy which was written for the United Nations, its called Global 2K, and it advocates killing 90% of the population through ebola in the air.

Who is Kissinger? Only the mastermind behind 9/11, the foreign policy adviser to the Bush family and to Nixon and to Rockefeller, the chief of the CFR, Bilderberg Group, Club of Rome and the Children of Babylon and he is known for quoting Hitler all the time.

Saying such things as "I've never met a Dictator I haven't liked yet". - He runs the CFR with the Rockefellers.

Here are some CFR quotes for you:

"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England... (and) ...believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established."
- Carroll Quigley, member of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), mentor to Bill Clinton


"Once the ruling members of the CFR shadow government have decided that the U.S. Government should adopt a particular policy, the very substantial research facilities of (the) CFR are put to work to develop arguments, intellectual and emotional, to support the new policy, and to confound and discredit, intellectually and politically, any opposition."
- Admiral Chester Ward, former CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy


"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government."

- Yet, you call the New World Order (One world government) a conspiracy and the CFR a think tank. You do know that Wikipedia is not a accurate source for information as its ran by a bunch of hippies who say they work volountarily but edit everything in favour of the government.

[Herman]

You don't get it, do you?


... Again, just for you... :-)

"BBC News - Politics - Brown wants a 'new world order'"

"BBC News - UK Politics - Blair pushes for a 'new world order'"

"EUX-TV: Sarkozy calls for a UN-led 'new world order'"

"CNN - Pope calls for a New World Order - Jan. 1. 2004"

"Russia's New World Order - TIME"

"Document - George Bush's New World Order speech, 6 Mar 1991"I went ahead and searched for those articles you mentioned (you didn't bother posting a link for each of them - great way to source them).

"He called for a "new diplomacy" to go alongside military power to defeat terrorism, share prosperity and "win the battle of hearts and minds". That meant strengthening Britain's global alliances but also reforming institutions such as the EU and UN." -Gordon Brown talking about the "New World Order" (Nothing to do with conspiracies or secret facilities, area 51 or any other crap)



"Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a "world order" in which "the principles of justice and fair play ... protect the weak against the strong ..." A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfil the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations." -Bush "New World Order" speech (nothing to do with a conspiracy of secret men behind locked doors)


""In the name of France, I call upon all states to join ranks in order to found the new world order of the 21st century on the notion that the common goods that belong to all of humankind must be the common responsibility for us all," he told the General Assembly." -Sarkozy talking about the "New World Order" (Yeah, lots of conspiracy there, right? Evil cackling and moustache twirling)


"He called for "an order that is able to give adequate solutions to today's problems based on the dignity of the human being, on an integral development of society, on solidarity among nations rich and poor, on the sharing of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and technical progress." -Pope John Paul II talking about the "New Order" (nothing to do with conspiracies either)


"Next week George and Vladimir will meet once again. Hard facts will be attractively packaged. Bush is prepared to say that Putin should stop centralizing power, for example, but not because Russia's government is an embarrassment to democracy. Rather, says a senior U.S. official, more centralization will "create a situation where the Kremlin doesn't get the information it needs, won't have the creativity and flexibility it needs to deal with the challenges of the 21st century." If emollience is the approach of George W. Bush, not always known for that attribute, no cold war is in store. But if Russia continues along the path of domestic and foreign policy that Putin has set out, relations between the bear and its G-8 partners are unlikely soon to be warm." -Times on Russia and the so called "New World Order" (it's the title of the article for gods sake! all the article does is describe the Russian political, economic and social situation)



"The term "New World Order" was actually first used many years ago. Adolf Hitler said: "National Socialism will use its own revolution for the establishing of a new world order." The Associated Press reported that on July 26, 1968, New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller said in a speech to the International Platform Association at the Sheraton Park Hotel in New York, that "as President he would work toward international creation of a New World Order."
Do you even know what they mean by "New World Order"? It's not about a secret building in the Antartica where all the rulers high five each other and laugh at the world as they invent secret weapons of mind control.



Notice how they haven't even changed the name? I mean, they could have called themselves the Imperialist Empire for all I care, but dont you think you have something to worry about when it seems quite clear that our International government is quoting exact speeches out of Hitlers book?No, because the words "New World Order" can be used to mean ANY international organization or situation. A socialist federation of world republics can be called a "New World Order". Whoooo... sounds spooky and sinister!


"We're being ruled by the Templar Knights who actually survived as an organization since the middle ages."

- When ignorance reigns life is lost !!

Never heard of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta ??

What do they have to do with the Templar Knights? I have heard of them, but their influence, help, power or whatever is the same size of your penis: small. At most, they have a minimal amount of influence in the Vatican.


And before you have any smart remarks about how they have hospitals set up everywhere so they cant possibly be evil...

- Fascist Dictator Francisco Franco was a Grandmaster and a Knight of Malta...

I really don't care if Franco was a member or not, or if they are evil or not. They are not part of some conspiracy to do crap.


Think Franco was a nice guy, do you? Want to go to Catalunya (Barcelona) and say that to the people and see what their reaction is?

Why are you putting words into my mouth? I haven't said Franco was a nice guy. On the contrary, i'm Spanish and I hate Franco and Francoism till the last drop.


And before you think that these people are out the way, why don't you have a look at their website and see who their members are ??

I have. They don't have a list. They have a number though: 12,500. The PSUV has many more party members with more than 5,700,000 members. Are they part of a conspiracy?YOU DECIDE!


Now, considering the fact that Franco has only been dead for 30 years, at what stage did you think these organizations died or faded out?

I've known of the existence of these organizations. The masons still exist. Many organizations from the middle ages exist. They are not part of any conspiracy. There is no evidence.


Again, I repeat...

"When ignorance reigns life is LOST!"

You need to read that more than I.

[BreakingTheMatrix]

You're delusional if you really believe that, wait and see how many show up the 4th.

Delusional ?? I held a protest in Berlin, check it out on youtube, called "Freiheit Statt Angst" which was against the NWO and Big Brother regime.

Over 100.000 people came. And that was just me who did that with a video and e-mail.

Delusional, no. I'm just not a coward :-)

Getting people to go isn't the problem, its getting others like you to wake up, which is proving to be hard. Again, call yourself Anarchists ?? I've been screwing the government since I was born. I don't have a passport, a birth certificate, a social security number, a bank account, I don't pay taxes and I have been to over 14 protests in the last 5 years.

What have you done? And you call yourself, Anarchist? I think it is you who is "DELUSIONAL"!

Anarchy - NO government - you know ????????

UN, EU, NAU, etc... One world government - New World Order...

This is exactly what we should be fighting against. If not, then I don't consider any of you to be Anarchists, Revolutionaries, Communists, Socialists, or Anti-Fascists. Instead you're going along blindly with Nazi principles.

Think before you say something... But you know what? I bet you do nothing on the 4th of July. I bet you don't even try and come down to have a look do you? What about making an effort to help us and make the event larger - turn it into a real Revolution?

Here's one for you. I bet you all read Marx, but none of you understand he was a puppet of the Illuminati. You have been mislead about the Revolution. You are now so brainwashed that you see steel structures (WTC7) coming down at free-fall speed in a matter of seconds with no plane hitting it, and yet you still believe the official story of dust and fire ??

Do you know how 'nuts' you all sound? There is no Revolution here, just people doing a lot of talking against things they know nothing about.

Sorry if I sound offensive to anyone...but if you all are the 'Revolutionaries' of tomorrow...then we really are screwed.

Wake up and join us all around the world. Lets tell our government where they can stick it !!

[BreakingTheMatrix]

Herman, get your head out your ass and wake up, my friend.

Against terrorism? Which terrorism? Bin Laden?

Why dont you youtube, Bhutto says Bin Laden murdered ??

She was killed several days later after making that statement.

Again...

Italian President says 9/11 was an inside job committed by CIA and Mossad.
Now with all the transparent holes in the official story, who should I believe?

The Italian President, Bush, or some guy I dont know who uses 'Sonic' as his logo?




You don't get it, do you?



I went ahead and searched for those articles you mentioned (you didn't bother posting a link for each of them - great way to source them).

"He called for a "new diplomacy" to go alongside military power to defeat terrorism, share prosperity and "win the battle of hearts and minds". That meant strengthening Britain's global alliances but also reforming institutions such as the EU and UN." -Gordon Brown talking about the "New World Order" (Nothing to do with conspiracies or secret facilities, area 51 or any other crap)



"Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a "world order" in which "the principles of justice and fair play ... protect the weak against the strong ..." A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfil the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations." -Bush "New World Order" speech (nothing to do with a conspiracy of secret men behind locked doors)


""In the name of France, I call upon all states to join ranks in order to found the new world order of the 21st century on the notion that the common goods that belong to all of humankind must be the common responsibility for us all," he told the General Assembly." -Sarkozy talking about the "New World Order" (Yeah, lots of conspiracy there, right? Evil cackling and moustache twirling)


"He called for "an order that is able to give adequate solutions to today's problems based on the dignity of the human being, on an integral development of society, on solidarity among nations rich and poor, on the sharing of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and technical progress." -Pope John Paul II talking about the "New Order" (nothing to do with conspiracies either)


"Next week George and Vladimir will meet once again. Hard facts will be attractively packaged. Bush is prepared to say that Putin should stop centralizing power, for example, but not because Russia's government is an embarrassment to democracy. Rather, says a senior U.S. official, more centralization will "create a situation where the Kremlin doesn't get the information it needs, won't have the creativity and flexibility it needs to deal with the challenges of the 21st century." If emollience is the approach of George W. Bush, not always known for that attribute, no cold war is in store. But if Russia continues along the path of domestic and foreign policy that Putin has set out, relations between the bear and its G-8 partners are unlikely soon to be warm." -Times on Russia and the so called "New World Order" (it's the title of the article for gods sake! all the article does is describe the Russian political, economic and social situation)





Do you even know what they mean by "New World Order"? It's not about a secret building in the Antartica where all the rulers high five each other and laugh at the world as they invent secret weapons of mind control.




No, because the words "New World Order" can be used to mean ANY international organization or situation. A socialist federation of world republics can be called a "New World Order". Whoooo... sounds spooky and sinister!

[BreakingTheMatrix]

And you call yourself a Revolutionary? Hahahahahahahahaahahahaha...

Well, then...if there is no threat, then where is your Revolution?

Pathetic, sorry... Why dont you just go and get a job working for the United Nations?
Then you can go around shouting the words "New World Order" at people...??

So, you dont believe that we are going to be micro chipped either ?? Another conspiracy?

Met Police officers to be 'microchipped' by top brass in Big Brother style tracking scheme



Daily Mail 10 April 2008. You know what all you idiots did last year when I tried waking people up about the Microchip? You called it conspiracy BS.

You so called Revolutionaries are more of a threat to the Free world than the New World Order are. At least we know that they are the enemy. You just try and make out that you are part of the Solution, which I can clearly see from your lack of knowledge, common sense and understanding. Hope you have fun being microchipped :-)

And no, the Illuminati have nothing to do with it at all...

"Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666."

- All you people who are asleep will aid in the destruction of us all.

Well done, keep sleeping...

[BreakingTheMatrix]

Revolutionist ?? I have more chance finding Revolutionaries at GrannyWarriors . com :-P

[Herman]

Herman, get your head out your ass and wake up, my friend.

Against terrorism? Which terrorism? Bin Laden?

Why dont you youtube, Bhutto says Bin Laden murdered ??

She was killed several days later after making that statement.Yes, how strange that when she denounced "Islamic extremists" she was killed by one of them. :rolleyes:


Italian President says 9/11 was an inside job committed by CIA and Mossad.And he had evidence, eh? He filmed George W. Bush in a secret laboratory with his evil scientists concocting their terrible plan to murder 3000 people.

I suggest you read this: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

And watch this: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07

It will all make sense.


Now with all the transparent holes in the official story, who should I believe?

The Italian President, Bush, or some guy I dont know who uses 'Sonic' as his logo?And I should believe a guy who uses as a username "BreakingTheMatrix"? :lol:



Anarchy - NO government - you know ????????Nice way to show your ignorance.

Anarchists are against the state, not the the government as an institution.


Here's one for you. I bet you all read Marx, but none of you understand he was a puppet of the Illuminati.HAHAHAHAHAHA! Holy shit, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this! This is going into my signature.


Do you know how 'nuts' you all sound? There is no Revolution here, just people doing a lot of talking against things they know nothing about.That is because this is a forum. Here, we post messages and discuss. What action do you expect?

Most of us are in political parties and active in real life. I even belong to two political parties in different countries.

[PRC-UTE]

Here's one for you. I bet you all read Marx, but none of you understand he was a puppet of the Illuminati. You have been mislead about the Revolution. You are now so brainwashed that you see steel structures (WTC7) coming down at free-fall speed in a matter of seconds with no plane hitting it, and yet you still believe the official story of dust and fire ??

:laugh:

Please don't ban him/her!!

[Post-Something]

Here's one for you. I bet you all read Marx, but none of you understand he was a puppet of the Illuminati. You have been mislead about the Revolution.

I came.

Then I +repped Herman.

Then I came again.



I REALLY want to put it in my signiture too...

[DropZoneRecords]

Breaking the Matrix .... what you have said is 100% correct from what I have read, investigated and studied over a long period of time. The PROBLEM with what you have done is this ....

Its information overload for those that are not aware and thus can look like a paranoid rant to the untrained eye (no pun intended).

I, like you, studied this all over time and saw how one was connected to the other, for example the WTO and the Food Programs, connected to the Rape seed plants, Rape Seed Oil and lack of FOOD due to its production etc, and by loosely I dont mean lightly tying together of facts and figures so suit my own goal and agenda, but to see what is so clearly joined at the base and at the heart through social, political and economic goals and objectives.

The problem with conspiresy theories is the word it self. To you and me and many many others they are not theories, they are fact. It can only become fact in your own head when you read and investigate it for yourself. I have, you have and many others have. I truelly believe that there are good people on this forum and I appeal to these good people to check out this information given to you...sure there ARE CONSPIRESY NUTS AND WACKOS!!! You get them in all walks of life. I personally try not to get over paranoid myslef by making the assumption that some of these nuts are "patsies" planted onto forums and our media outlets to discredit the more educated amongst us, that I suppose in itself is a conspiresy BUT it has been done many many times before and will be done many times again, look at the Canadian Police infiltrating peacefull marches and trying to turn them into violent protests to discredit the march and the people associated with it, fortunetly in that case people were to wise and they realised and handed them over to the police!

I urge the people on here... the Revolutionaries, The Anarchists and true socialists ... we hate the same people as you do and I WILL PERSONALLY STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH YOU!!! THE PEOPLE!!! For your cause, my cause and our cause, the cause of OUR CHILDREN and the cause of OUR Planet to save OUR LIVES and the LIVES OF OTHERS EVEN IF IT MEANS TO RISK OUR OWN!

Peace and love, Shalom and Salaam

[Post-Something]

Ok, ok, ok...I'm still gagging after that Marx quote.


DropZoneRecords. I want you to explain to me EXACTLY how Marx was just a puppet of the Illuminati.

Also, you do realize that all the western countries over produce mountains of food/ grain/ milk etc every year, and dump it all away in the sea? We have more than enough food.

[Herman]

Breaking the Matrix .... what you have said is 100% correct from what I have read, investigated and studied over a long period of time. The PROBLEM with what you have done is this ....

Its information overload for those that are not aware and thus can look like a paranoid rant to the untrained eye (no pun intended).

I, like you, studied this all over time and saw how one was connected to the other, for example the WTO and the Food Programs, connected to the Rape seed plants, Rape Seed Oil and lack of FOOD due to its production etc, and by loosely I dont mean lightly tying together of facts and figures so suit my own goal and agenda, but to see what is so clearly joined at the base and at the heart through social, political and economic goals and objectives.

The problem with conspiresy theories is the word it self. To you and me and many many others they are not theories, they are fact. It can only become fact in your own head when you read and investigate it for yourself. I have, you have and many others have. I truelly believe that there are good people on this forum and I appeal to these good people to check out this information given to you...sure there ARE CONSPIRESY NUTS AND WACKOS!!! You get them in all walks of life. I personally try not to get over paranoid myslef by making the assumption that some of these nuts are "patsies" planted onto forums and our media outlets to discredit the more educated amongst us, that I suppose in itself is a conspiresy BUT it has been done many many times before and will be done many times again, look at the Canadian Police infiltrating peacefull marches and trying to turn them into violent protests to discredit the march and the people associated with it, fortunetly in that case people were to wise and they realised and handed them over to the police!

I urge the people on here... the Revolutionaries, The Anarchists and true socialists ... we hate the same people as you do and I WILL PERSONALLY STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH YOU!!! THE PEOPLE!!! For your cause, my cause and our cause, the cause of OUR CHILDREN and the cause of OUR Planet to save OUR LIVES and the LIVES OF OTHERS EVEN IF IT MEANS TO RISK OUR OWN!

Peace and love, Shalom and Salaam

I don't doubt that you may be a socialist. I do doubt that there are men in black, hiding in an underground bunker, ready to strike when we least expect it.

[DropZoneRecords]

Herman, firstly, I have to say I am disgusted by your replies, comments and all out rudeness to fellow people on this board. With on breath you want to share your opinion (and rightfully so) but you down cry another poster for stating his? You also get offended when Breakingthematrix "puts words in your mouth" but you think nothing of coming out with comments about "secret bases in Antartica" and "Area 51" when NOONE here mentioned ANYTHING to do with ANY of that AT ALL!!?? You seem to revel in throwing insults and inaccuracies yet get all hot under the collar when someone even suggests that you have said something or insinuates something that you never said.

PRU-CTE what part do you find so funny, funny enough to be on your back laughing? 9/11? Or the Illuminati part? Personally speaking I think the Illuminati is not as big as it is made out to be, I think its almost developed into a holywood spectre used to discredit people who use it. I does come from Greek, the way of illumination etc.... and to be honest it is a massive massive subject and to answer this in full would look like a massive rant so I will decline. As for Marx and and Illuminati, I can imagine where BreaktheMatrix is coming from BUT I dont know enough either way to make comment so I will remain silent on that one which I feel is wise.

Finally, Post-something, can you tell me where your sources with regards to dumping food/grain/milk etc in the sea as my sources differ greatly on this one as does the releases from the Food Organisations etc

Oh and can I say, lets keep this civil ... after all we are all socialists....right?

[Sam_b]

Here's one for you. I bet you all read Marx, but none of you understand he was a puppet of the Illuminati.

Oh no! We're all subversively upohlding the system! :scared:

Or then again, not.

[Honggweilo]

Italian President says 9/11 was an inside job committed by CIA and Mossad. HAHAHA!

neo-liberal media tycoon white collar fascist berlusconi who is one of the most loyal US allies in the NATO said 9/11 was an inside job :lol:!? Or do you mean prodi? that new labour neo-liberal patheticly shy social democrat, which is also pro-NATO and pro-US?

either way;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVse7ezWACg

DONT TAZE ME BRO!! THERE IS NO SP0000N!!!

[KC]

You are now so brainwashed that you see steel structures (WTC7) coming down at free-fall speed in a matter of seconds with no plane hitting it, and yet you still believe the official story of dust and fire ??

The towers fell below free fall speeds. (http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm)

Really, you have absolutely no proof for anything that you're saying.

[DropZoneRecords]

My friend Herman... you have done it again, ironically illustrating my point when I was typing an initial reply to yours .... who mentioned Men in Black? No me ... so why refer to it in a discussion with me? Look a pixie!! See!!! I can do it too!:D

[Post-Something]

The BMJ

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/331/7528/1333


Summary points Current dietary energy supply is more than sufficient to alleviate starvation worldwide and is forecasted to grow for another 25 years
Agriculture subsidies coupled to production distort the balance between supply and demand, leading to overconsumption and obesity
Overproduction of food in rich countries using trade distorting measures undermines the agricultural sectors in developing countries, hindering the eradication of hunger and poverty
Phasing out of agricultural producer support in developed countries is the first step in the fight against both obesity and hunger


I've been taught this all through my education as well in all the modern studies and politics classes I've taken

What are your sources may I ask? I've always known that we overproduce enough to feed the world quite easily.

[DropZoneRecords]

"The towers fell at freefall speed

Really, you have absolutely no proof for anything that you're saying."

The Towers fell at the speed of "Galileo's Theory of the falling man" all three towers came down faster than they would IF they had collapsed under their own weight. This is already proven by structural engineers and the likes ... if you need more proof my friend, simply watch them coming down and count the seconds .... it does make no sense at all EVEN if you dont believe that it was an inside job. I often discuss with friends if it was the planes, if there was planes, if there was explosives and planes or just explosives etc etc etc, debate is good, ridiculing another person in the debate is not!

[Sam_b]

I can't remember who posted this, but it was some user on here. Praphrasing, but credits go to:

"If the US government can't kill the leader of a 'third world' country 15 miles from its coast, how did they orchastrate 9/11 without leaving any witnesses or documentation?"

And, if I may say so, I fucking wish some comrades would focus on revolutionary activity rather than discrediting our movement with nutjob conspiracy theories.

[KC]

The Towers fell at the speed of "Galileo's Theory of the falling man" all three towers came down faster than they would IF they had collapsed under their own weight. This is already proven by structural engineers and the likes

Actually it was disproven by structural engineers. See the link again, genius. It's mathematically proven.

[Herman]

Herman, firstly, I have to say I am disgusted by your replies, comments and all out rudeness to fellow people on this board. With on breath you want to share your opinion (and rightfully so) but you down cry another poster for stating his? You also get offended when Breakingthematrix "puts words in your mouth" but you think nothing of coming out with comments about "secret bases in Antartica" and "Area 51" when NOONE here mentioned ANYTHING to do with ANY of that AT ALL!!?? You seem to revel in throwing insults and inaccuracies yet get all hot under the collar when someone even suggests that you have said something or insinuates something that you never said.

I am "rude" because he wrote the title of a bunch of articles (didn't even link them) which didn't prove in any way that there is some sort of shadow organization called "New World Order" or even an attempt to creating such an organization.

When I mentioned the Templar Knights, it was a joke. Afterwards, he actually mentioned the Military Order of Malta and how Franco was part of it, as if it was some sort of conspiracy. IT ISN'T. Franco was a military obsessed dictator who loved to revel in Christian crap. It's no wonder he was a member of some crappy order dating back from the middle ages.

You know what? I'm just going to make up a conspiracy right now:

We are being controlled by a secret government called the "Orange Clan" whose members wish to become gods by hearing the answer to all the questions which mankind has asked, such as "What is the meaning of life?". To do this, they are waiting for the so called Indigo Child who will be born in the year 2010. Oh, and there is another force in the universe called "Chroma" which is what the Mayan oracles used to enslave their victims who would stab to death the human sacrifices offered to the gods. And there is another world apart from our own, which is the kingdom of the dead.

Besides, he started putting words in my mouth. I only did so after.


Oh and can I say, lets keep this civil ... after all we are all socialists....right?

We certainly are. However, we are not conspiracy nutjobs. You will find no sympathy from me regarding conspiracies. It's that kind of drivel which makes people think of us as fools.

[bootleg42]

"If the US government can't kill the leader of a 'third world' country 15 miles from its coast, how did they orchastrate 9/11 without leaving any witnesses or documentation?"



This pretty much sums it up.

The government is evil and we should show the world it's evil for things they ACUTALLY DID (imperialism, racism in the U.S., extermination of the native americans, etc) and things they're still doing (putting the world at daily risk of nuclear war, U.S.'s support for Israel, etc). But not for made up stories.

Plus look at most of the leading voices of the 9/11 truth movement. That thing is filled with right-wing-free-market libertarians.

Also the whole NWO conspiracy theory (as I stated a million times) was started by a far-right group, the John Birch society, which was VERY anti-socialist and claimed that this NWO wanted socialism (ridiculous no???).

We should have a sticky on the these conspiracy theories to make newcomers (who are always welcomed) know what most of us revlefters think about it.

[KrazyRabidSheep]

- Call yourself Anarchists and Revolutionaries? A comrade has come here to request help and you insult him because of your lack of knowledge on Global affairs?
You know, you're right.

I do not now, nor have I agreed with this conspiracy crap.

However, conspiracy theorists are not my enemy; capitalists are.
I apologize for my sarcastic remark, I got a bit carried away.

[DropZoneRecords]

Its simple then, I wish you all the very best in your future life and activities, but I have no more in common with you then cardboard revolutionaries who discuss the revolution while sipping a lat'e in Starbucks while they done their new nike shoes. Im sorry but I think you have lost touch with "the people" and it is indeed YOU people on here that are to blame for people not taking you serious. See you on the otherside of revolution, my thoughts and mind intact, my brainfree of brainwash while you still choke on the fluoride in your water ... just dont say you werent warned .... you truelly are the nutjobs. I bid you goodnight, peace and progress and hoopefully one day you will open your eyes. You have lost another member.

[Dust Bunnies]

I will say it, I am a "conspiracy nutjob". The bourgeoisies cannot keep us under control without lies.

[Chicano Shamrock]

Its simple then, I wish you all the very best in your future life and activities, but I have no more in common with you then cardboard revolutionaries who discuss the revolution while sipping a lat'e in Starbucks while they done their new nike shoes. Im sorry but I think you have lost touch with "the people" and it is indeed YOU people on here that are to blame for people not taking you serious. See you on the otherside of revolution, my thoughts and mind intact, my brainfree of brainwash while you still choke on the fluoride in your water ... just dont say you werent warned .... you truelly are the nutjobs. I bid you goodnight, peace and progress and hoopefully one day you will open your eyes. You have lost another member.

Wow that one was uncalled for. I know some people were somewhat rude but come on show some tact. I think the thing I dislike most about conspiracy people is that they are so sure of what they believe in. Most will not take the time to listen to people who don't agree but then again there are a lot of people like this who aren't in to "conspiracies" also.

I have "researched"(if you can call it that being that most of this stuff is in propaganda video form and internet stuff) much of what you guys are into. I know about the Federal Reserve ideas, the "Truth Movement", David Icke, Reptilians, Alex Jones, Bohemian Grove, The Police State, The New World Order etc...

Honestly if you would ever take the time to research other stuff I think you would come to the conclusion that I have. This stuff is mostly misinformation. Instead of focusing on tangible political positions like Presidents, CEOs and what not this stuff wants you to focus on invisible boogeymen behind the scenes.

Ask yourselves what the people promoting this stuff have to gain. Put aside your bias on believing it and really think about this abstractly. Look at the main pushers of this. Take one looks at infowars.com and see how many videos there are and check out that you can easily purchase them there or somewhere else. What? Purchase......? You mean money is involved? This person stands to make money on this? David Icke sells tickets to halls that he speaks at?

The NWO is real! It does not want to make a one world government though. It already has one! It is also not called the NWO. They are called the leaders of the world and the government is called capitalism. The NWO is a made up idea that is supposed to sway you away from learning about the leaders of the world. There is no reason for the leaders to put people in camps with RFID chips in their skin. We are already in camps on a large scale called countries. We are already on record and have driver licenses, birth certificates and what not to keep track of us.

Everything is going well for capitalists right now. Many people are apathetic to what is happening to them. The leaders are smart. They don't want to put people in camps and such that would anger them. The masses are docile and everything is running smoothly.

Please step away from the poorly made conspiracies and read some books on things that are going on without imaginary illuminati behind it. Look at the main people pushing this and watch what they talk about. Look at Alex Jones being a Jesus Freak and a racist against Mexicans while he is being Pro-Minutemen. Alex Jones claims that 911 was an inside job and at the same time backs the minutemen saying that we need to keep terrorists out of the US. Well either he doesn't believe the 911 thing or he is down with keeping poor, hungry Mexicans at bay with white supremacists sporting firearms.

If any of you conspiracy guys would like to reply to me I will not say anything to insult you because I think you hold a nice bit of doubt in your minds. I do think that you are unfortunately misled by savvy entrepreneurs or possibly even governmental misinformation artists.

[Wake Up]

The thing about conspiracy's is that they are all guilty of the same thing - confirmation bias.

Basically you only take into account evidence that supports your theory no matter how poor that evidence is.

The conspiracy behind 9/11 is not about what happened to the world trade centre. It is how the following acts of media terrorism convinced the public that their is a huge islamist movement knocking at your door. Fear sells.

[DropZoneRecords]

Chicano Shamrock, thanks for your reply, for the record mate Im not a fan of Alex Jones, a few things with him just dont sit right with me.

As for my research I dont just get it off youtube lol, I read the Egyptian Book of the dead, the Tora, The Bible and many many many books from BOTH sets of views, I watch the news and ALWAYS read between the lines. I look at the deaths of many "truthers" and I look at the admitted evils the governments have done and look at what they have been accused of doing, to be honest HAARPS involvement in the Chinese Earthquake is a real scary one BUT American officials explained that they COULD create Earthquakes AND they had the reason to do this in China, similar to the build ups before Vietnam, WW2, Korea and other such wars.

Id also like to say that I am also aware how many theories can look crack pot, I myself dont believe in many of them, it doesnt stop me from investigating it tho and most importantly with an open mind!

Id also like to say, I forgot to mention it yesterday when I was asked by a fellow poster, "Do I believe that the Glasgow Airport Bombing was staged" my answer to that is simple if not lengthy, so I will try keep it short ...

I DO NOT think it was staged, I do however think it was done by Brainwashed idiots who have fallen for the lies from the Fox Network channel, Sky etc and the Rupert Murdoch consortium. I believe that they honestly thought that they were doing this for Allah (in their deluded brainwashed minds), the same way that US and British Troops are in Iraq and Afghanistan honestly believing they are there for Freedom and Democracy when of course they are not. I am not saying there are no Islamic Fundamentalists, there are. The are just as brainwashed as many many people the world over. HOWEVER, we refer to this as the Airport BOMBING .... why? There was no bomb!!!?? It was a few gas canisters, this does not constitute a bomb, it needs an incenduary device to be a bomb, it had none, it was a cheap lame attempt to make an explosive (this CANNOT be the same people who make roadside bombs day in day out in the Middle East, thats just stupid in the extreme to believe that!), The then media frenzie that was whipped up after it shown all too well how we were to be then herded into pens of fear, and we willingly walked and read the front pages, we read the racist remarks made by John Smeaton and thought it was funny, cos, well "that mob tried to blow us up, so its ok" no its not ok, many Scottish Asians were attacked in the weeks after this attack and mostly down to irresponsible media articles who dont give a dam who they hurt in the pursuit of selling papers.

Again, we should be all fighting for the same cause, our goals are as yours are, so why are we fighting amongst ourselves?

[Sam_b]

Its simple then, I wish you all the very best in your future life and activities, but I have no more in common with you then cardboard revolutionaries who discuss the revolution while sipping a lat'e in Starbucks while they done their new nike shoes. Im sorry but I think you have lost touch with "the people" and it is indeed YOU people on here that are to blame for people not taking you serious.

You can make that sort of statement once you actively start building for class mobility, rather than fetishizing so-called 'truth movements', and get your theory in order.

Otherwise, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[BreakingTheMatrix]

"Look at Alex Jones being a Jesus Freak and a racist against Mexicans while he is being Pro-Minutemen. Alex Jones claims that 911 was an inside job and at the same time backs the minutemen saying that we need to keep terrorists out of the US. Well either he doesn't believe the 911 thing or he is down with keeping poor, hungry Mexicans at bay with white supremacists sporting firearms.

If any of you conspiracy guys would like to reply to me I will not say anything to insult you because I think you hold a nice bit of doubt in your minds. I do think that you are unfortunately misled by savvy entrepreneurs or possibly even governmental misinformation artists."

- Yes, Alex Jones is a fake in order to make all Truthers look like Nut Jobs. Check out the work of people like Bill Cooper, John Todd and Phil Schneider who all 3 were killed by the police. Bill Cooper said 9/11 would happen before it happened, he exposed Alex Jones as a fake. He had already began the truth movement and the can of beans had been spilled. There was a urgent need for damage control. Later the police went round to Bill Coopers house and shot him several times in the head while he was outside on the lawn. Alex Jones took his place. The whole idea of Alex Jones is to discreddit anyone who talks about 9/11 or our government being hi-jacked by terrorists who are pushing a new agenda, rather than "we, the people". Michael Moore is another such fool. He makes a movie touching the subject that the President of America might have had foreknowledge of 9/11 happening, and then his next movie goes on about the medical health care system in the States.....WHAT ?? That's their job, they can't hide the Truth, because too many people like Cooper had began to spread the word, so they replace the REAL truth tellers, with their own propaganda tanks who take people into a whole different direction. Look at all of you... NORAD standing down, no CCTV footage at the Pentagon, FDNY Radio Equipment failing, numerous people mentioning the explosives going off, MOSSAD agents being arrested in a truckload of explosives, for the first time ever 3 steel structured buildings crashing down in free-fall speed - one without a plane even hitting it, and yet, somehow, you cant see the lie or the scam? Because you are more affraid of being compared to Alex Jones and his circus of freaks than you are of the truth.
When one of our governments goes out there, invades a few countries and takes the lives of over 1 million innocent people in their quest for more oil and greed, based on lies - and we believe the lie, then we are all responsible. There are so many questions in the official story it becomes scary. What if your government was responsible for 9/11, what would you be prepared to do about it? And what do you think that they are prepared to do to us?

[BreakingTheMatrix]

If you are interested in keeping an open mind and at least giving 'learning something you might not have known or understood previously' an opportunity, then I suggest you read up, or watch some of the Google movies from people such as:

Bill Cooper - Shot in the head by two police men while coming home from working at his radio station.

Phil Schneider - Tortured and killed by the CIA for releasing highly sensitive information on the government and what their new world order plans involve.

John Todd - Ex Illuminati member turns whistle blower - Murdered, cause of death not clarified.

Leo Zagami - Ex Illuminati member and Knights of Templar commando sworn to set revenge by setting up a militia against them in the US.

Bill Cooper was only shot in the head in 2001. All in an attempt to silence what is about to happen in the next few years.

It's not G8 you have to fight - that's just a good reason to get everyone together on camera and have your photos taken. It's the bombs their about to drop. Congress has announced that Bush will invade Iran by August. Any attempt to stop him will lead to immediate Martial Law. Russia has already vowed that if Bush attacks Iran, that Russia will strike back. As Russia and China are now both buying oil from Iran. This is world war 3.

Read Albert Pike Three world wars written in 1890 (?)

Read the Haig-Kissinger depopulation policy and understand how much power Henry Kissinger has towards the foreign policy which the US is following. This is the same person behind Nixon's New World Order and Martial Law attempt and now he is behind Bush. He calls at United Nations for a depopulation of the planet by 90%. He calls for a Global Food Genocide and claims; "He who controls the food, controls the people". He quotes such things as:

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

This whole thing has been a set up from the start. They have made us all enemies and counter parts through different political goals and achievements, all being pushed by the same people. Divide and Conqeor. Capitalism, Religion, Communism, Fascism, Zionism...all created by the same people.

You have nothing to fear by researching this subject.

If you think there is no conspiracy, then why is it that the FBI have made a list containing 375 of Bush's war crimes, Blair is due in The Haige for war crimes. Italian president (and no, not the current NWO- Mafia idiot Berlusconi who is obviously as corrupt as the word itself - but the real National hero of Ital, ex-president Cossiga) has even said to all world papers that it was done by CIA, MI5 and Mossad. MI5 agents such as David Shayler and Annie Machon have also gone public to announce that it was done and set up by the government, and yet all governments are being 'hush-hush' on the subject and still engaging further with one another into more illegal wars? There are millions of people dying based on lies, all our civil liberties are being revoked. The Patriot Act was written before 9/11 and not after. RFID chip implants already law in the UK for all police by end of this year. NSPD-51 which gives Bush Dictatorship powers which can allow him to cancel the election and claim martial law the moment he invades Iran in August, all NYC police now equiped with machine guns. Government allowed to spy on all your phone calls and e-mails. And you cant see the NAZI-STASI likeness of this all? If this New World Order was good, then why does it involve the same principles as Hitler's? IBM made the tattoo-ing system for the Jews, they are also responsible for the Verichip which is exactly the same process only completely electronic.
This is law already. This is why the police must have them. They will bring upon another false flag terror attack which is far more heavier than 9/11 and then force the people to have implants for national security. Hr-1955 Thought Crimes Bill wich makes every person who blogs for truth and openness a homegrown terrorist. FEMA prison camps (600 confirmed - 4000 more in the EU). Transport trains being built with shackles on them.
The old rejected EU constituion being revamped into the new EU treaty which means we dont get a vote on the matter, being forced to merge together with the North American Union which has been accounted for many times already. America will no longer have a president. You will fall under EU law with UN troops. EU President is to be Tony Blair, who is wanted now in several countries for war crimes against the Iraqi people.
It has already been proven that the war in Iraq was planned before 9/11.
They planned their own terrorist attack in order to fool the people into why they were doing what they were doing. Once Blair is president of Europe there will be no more crimes against him. The world is crying out for a Revolution right now.

What are you going to do about it?

[Herman]

Again, we should be all fighting for the same cause, our goals are as yours are, so why are we fighting amongst ourselves?

Because you reject a class-based analysis on the world, and instead you use a "great men" analysis.

Proof? Here:


If you think there is no conspiracy, then why is it that the FBI have made a list containing 375 of Bush's war crimes, Blair is due in The Haige for war crimes. Italian president (and no, not the current NWO- Mafia idiot Berlusconi who is obviously as corrupt as the word itself - but the real National hero of Ital, ex-president Cossiga) has even said to all world papers that it was done by CIA, MI5 and Mossad. MI5 agents such as David Shayler and Annie Machon have also gone public to announce that it was done and set up by the government, and yet all governments are being 'hush-hush' on the subject and still engaging further with one another into more illegal wars? There are millions of people dying based on lies, all our civil liberties are being revoked. The Patriot Act was written before 9/11 and not after. RFID chip implants already law in the UK for all police by end of this year. NSPD-51 which gives Bush Dictatorship powers which can allow him to cancel the election and claim martial law the moment he invades Iran in August, all NYC police now equiped with machine guns. Government allowed to spy on all your phone calls and e-mails. And you cant see the NAZI-STASI likeness of this all? If this New World Order was good, then why does it involve the same principles as Hitler's? IBM made the tattoo-ing system for the Jews, they are also responsible for the Verichip which is exactly the same process only completely electronic.
This is law already. This is why the police must have them. They will bring upon another false flag terror attack which is far more heavier than 9/11 and then force the people to have implants for national security. Hr-1955 Thought Crimes Bill wich makes every person who blogs for truth and openness a homegrown terrorist. FEMA prison camps (600 confirmed - 4000 more in the EU). Transport trains being built with shackles on them.
The old rejected EU constituion being revamped into the new EU treaty which means we dont get a vote on the matter, being forced to merge together with the North American Union which has been accounted for many times already. America will no longer have a president. You will fall under EU law with UN troops. EU President is to be Tony Blair, who is wanted now in several countries for war crimes against the Iraqi people.
It has already been proven that the war in Iraq was planned before 9/11.
They planned their own terrorist attack in order to fool the people into why they were doing what they were doing. Once Blair is president of Europe there will be no more crimes against him. The world is crying out for a Revolution right now.

[Chicano Shamrock]

The whole idea of Alex Jones is to discreddit anyone who talks about 9/11 or our government being hi-jacked by terrorists who are pushing a new agenda, rather than "we, the people".

Michael Moore is another such fool. He makes a movie touching the subject that the President of America might have had foreknowledge of 9/11 happening, and then his next movie goes on about the medical health care system in the States.....WHAT ??

What if your government was responsible for 9/11, what would you be prepared to do about it? And what do you think that they are prepared to do to us?

"Our government being hi-jacked by terrorists"

- This is another problem with this stuff. A lot of it is built up on the idea that the founding fathers of the US were good noble people and that somewhere along the line the shit hit the fan. In reality the founding fathers were rich slave owners that created a government to protect the minority rich from the poor majority.


- The Michael Moore thing makes no sense at all. I can understand if you don't like him for real reasons but his movies have never been alike. They have always been about different subjects and it has nothing to do with 9-11. Roger & Me was his first one about GM plant closings and the workers who went jobless and fell to poverty as a consequence. The next movie was Bowling for Columbine about two school shooters. Then Fahrenheit 911 and then Sicko. This has nothing to do with whatever you are implying.


- What if 9-11 was an inside job? What the hell does it matter? What does that change? What are the suggestions for counteracting this? What are the benefits on spending so much time studying this if it actually did happen? How would this knowledge help at all? Do you think that anger alone will make people revolt? Do you think Americans would get that angry over 3k dead on 9-11 when most don't care that they live in a society that is built to keep them poor and hungry?


I listened to a bit of Bill Cooper and I see again that these are conservative patriots again. They talk about the constitution and returning to a better time in the US. What better time? I like when he slams Alex Jones' fear mongering with some fear mongering of his own saying that Alex Jones is trying to scare people so that they will revolt and he can get a socialist, totalitarian society. Alex is in no way socialist. I really don't understand how any thinking person can sit through this kind of shit. Read some fucking history and lay off of the meaningless crap. Learn about different political philosophies. They are not all made by the same people and are not all divide and conquer tactics. These fucking patriots are tools. Their nationalism makes no sense to me.

I don't think you understand what we discuss on this website. We are interested in radical types of societies and political philosophies. We discuss how to get to a society in which we can live in equality. We are not interested in reverting back to the old days of wage slavery and slavery. These are not days to be thought of as great. Maybe I was wrong maybe there is no hope in conspiracy nuts. Most of the ones I know personally are on heroin and meth. What are the excuses of those that don't use and are still in that weak of a mind state to be fooled by this?

[DropZoneRecords]

Herman, you are aware you quoted BreakintheMatrix and NOT ME when you are saying that I "reject a class-based analysis on the world, and instead you use a "great men" analysis"

It kind of just shows how you dont pay attention to the detail of an arguement/discussion, Im not being rude but how can we debate this when you are quoting others and playing it off like I said it?

And Sam B, I do apologise as my words there were a bit harsh, but I find it funny that I am actively trying to promote an event, one that you are knocking down, AND you say that I can make that "sort of statement once you actively start building for class mobility" when in actual fact I have been doing this for years, through lectures, Music, forums, blogs etc. I opened for Tommy Sheridan and George Galloway (both friends of mine) I have also been on thier radio shows, on marches, made speeches and many many more, I have over 100,000 hits on my myspace page where I post regular blogs and I have given over three thousand pound of my own money in the last year to funding events for the people. Im not showing off or indeed throwing figures about to say "hey look at me" Im just saying that your comments couldnt be further from the truth!
Peace

[DropZoneRecords]

Maybe I was wrong maybe there is no hope in conspiracy nuts. Most of the ones I know personally are on heroin and meth. What are the excuses of those that don't use and are still in that weak of a mind state to be fooled by this?

The same could be said for you dear comrade, I am a socialist as others put it. I am human as I put it and I believe in people power, I beleive in justice and food for all, I believe in helping another downtrodden man/woman in his or her struggle. From what you are saying and the feeling I get from you, Im not actually socialist ... Im just someone who cares for others that doesnt have a name in todays society, which is a real shame and it shows how bad society is today that there isnt a name for someone doing just that. I was told, and I also thought, it was socialism ... am I wrong?

[DropZoneRecords]

...sorry at Sam B... the irony is you probably have met me every few weeks or so ... when I buy Newspapers off you and always pay more and sign whatever petition your doing and we chat friendly outside St Enoch underground no? ... find it sad that peoples online persona's can differ so greatly.

Shalom, Salaam and peace ... from a "nutjob" :D

[Ultra-Violence]

^^^
I Dont think your crazy and peace and love be with you too!

[Post-Something]

Herman, you are aware you quoted BreakintheMatrix and NOT ME when you are saying that I "reject a class-based analysis on the world, and instead you use a "great men" analysis"

It kind of just shows how you dont pay attention to the detail of an arguement/discussion, Im not being rude but how can we debate this when you are quoting others and playing it off like I said it?

And Sam B, I do apologise as my words there were a bit harsh, but I find it funny that I am actively trying to promote an event, one that you are knocking down, AND you say that I can make that "sort of statement once you actively start building for class mobility" when in actual fact I have been doing this for years, through lectures, Music, forums, blogs etc. I opened for Tommy Sheridan and George Galloway (both friends of mine) I have also been on thier radio shows, on marches, made speeches and many many more, I have over 100,000 hits on my myspace page where I post regular blogs and I have given over three thousand pound of my own money in the last year to funding events for the people. Im not showing off or indeed throwing figures about to say "hey look at me" Im just saying that your comments couldnt be further from the truth!
Peace

Wait, I'm interested, what did Galloway and Sheridan have to say about it?

[Sam_b]

...sorry at Sam B... the irony is you probably have met me every few weeks or so ... when I buy Newspapers off you and always pay more and sign whatever petition your doing and we chat friendly outside St Enoch underground no? ... find it sad that peoples online persona's can differ so greatly.

Dude, I still have absolutely no idea who you are.

I apologise for the hostile nature of my post, however I will persist in saying that class consciousness and the advancement of workers isn't taken up by protests which I think deviate from socialist politics and a class-based analysis (like the NWO theory). Similarly class consiousness isn't built via the internet and myspace, it is through face-to-face interaction with workers and solidarity.

[bcbm]

I think the main problem here is the obsession with various "secret organizations" and the like pulling strings behind the scene. Yes, those in power are attempting to create a "new world order," of sorts, though there is really nothing new about it. Its just the imperialist states reorganizing global capital to further facilitate their exploitation of the world. There is nothing secret about any of this. Read reports from the various organizations overseeing this re-organization, they openly admit their designs, albeit through convenient euphemisms about bringing prosperity, democracy, etc to those they conquer. Or read anything from those who have been important figures and global strategists in the imperialist powers over the past 50 years. They put even more bluntly and openly their designs on remaking the world.

Of course, the imperialist powers don't always have the same goals and so any idea of a global conspiracy concerning them all does not make sense. The US will placate Russia and talk about working together at, say, the G8 while at the same time attempting to destroy the control of Russia over a strategically important place like Central Asia (Afghan war, etc). There is conspiring in the dictionary definition sense occurring, but it is not secret and it is just another phase of the sort of chess board imperialism the world saw in the 19th century.

[bootleg42]

it is through face-to-face interaction with workers and solidarity.

Or being a worker yourself and organizing your own co-works as a movement.


There is nothing secret about any of this. Read reports from the various organizations overseeing this re-organization, they openly admit their designs, albeit through convenient euphemisms about bringing prosperity, democracy, etc to those they conquer. Or read anything from those who have been important figures and global strategists in the imperialist powers over the past 50 years. They put even more bluntly and openly their designs on remaking the world.

Yeah!!!!

If any of you have a chance, read the U.S. state department documents of the last 70 years. They are brutally honest in those documents. For example, thanks to documents like those, we know the FDR had some admiration of Mussulini before WW2.

In fact Noam Chomsky brought up that in those same documents, the powers that be did comment on all the conspiracy theories. The documents stated that state power loved the conspiracy theories because it distracts people from important things that are real. In fact, CIA and state department documents have admitted to intentionally releasing info on JFK that would "keep the JFK conspiracy people busy, keeping their attention away from real and more important things". Chomsky has documented all of this and I'll try to find .PDF copies of those documents and post them here.

Seriously, there are real evils that we KNOW exists. Private power (multinationals, etc), state power that does not even try to commit to democracy, social issues, etc.

[Sam_b]

Or being a worker yourself and organizing your own co-works as a movement.


I assumed that was a given.

[Chicano Shamrock]

The same could be said for you dear comrade, I am a socialist as others put it. I am human as I put it and I believe in people power, I beleive in justice and food for all, I believe in helping another downtrodden man/woman in his or her struggle. From what you are saying and the feeling I get from you, Im not actually socialist ... Im just someone who cares for others that doesnt have a name in todays society, which is a real shame and it shows how bad society is today that there isnt a name for someone doing just that. I was told, and I also thought, it was socialism ... am I wrong?
I wasn't replying to you and I never commented on the state of your politics. I was fed up with the other persons Ultra-Nationalist garbage.

I do think though that, at least around here, it will be hard for a person to make a convincing argument for socialism while talking about conspiracy theories. People in the states already think badly enough about socialism and then to add conspiracies about hidden masters is a regression.

Like I said to the other guy what is positive about talking about this stuff even if it is true? Why spend so much time researching this? What good is it to the person making minimum wage at some factory other than it takes their mind off of work at the end of the day? Are there any people in this scene that suggest solutions?

On the flip side there is harm if it isn't true. This would mean that your attention was taken away from real problems while focusing on an illusion. It's the old bait and switch.

[Herman]

Herman, you are aware you quoted BreakintheMatrix and NOT ME when you are saying that I "reject a class-based analysis on the world, and instead you use a "great men" analysis"

It kind of just shows how you dont pay attention to the detail of an arguement/discussion, Im not being rude but how can we debate this when you are quoting others and playing it off like I said it?

It doesn't show anything because when I said "you", I meant all of you conspiracy "socialists".

[DropZoneRecords]

Herman...so we are all one and the same...hardly a good arguement mate!

Chicano Shamrock ... I think the good that it does is wake people up. I think there are many socialists out there who indeed dont know that they are socialists. i think the ability to question everything and not take things for granted, to stop eating mcdonalds, to stop shopping at Gap etc, to stop buy nescafe and so on are all parts of an awakening, if they do that through an interest in the NWO and then reading more and more into each subject, thus opening more political avenues to yourself and thus a political awakening can only be a good thing. Lets face it...we have the same enemies.

Sam B, thanks for your kind words and apology, appreciated, what I will say is I dont think that there is any theory, this is where we differ, I believe that there is an agenda, you dont. I dont know why but you cant convince me there isnt anymore than I can convince you there is. Im cool with that, but I dont discredit you for not thinking so so please dont refer to me as a nut jub because I do, know what I mean. Oh and you dont need to know who I am lol, it will just make it funnier when I buy a SWP paper off you next time :cool: should I wear a red rose in my lappel? :D

[DropZoneRecords]

oh sorry, I nearly forgot...Post-Something ... George stays well away from the subject of 9/11 etc, he doesnt believe it was an inside job or anything like that. This is where we disagree (as I agree with mostly everything else he says), bear in mind Ive only spoken to him on a few occassions, but yeh he thinks pretty much the same as you guys, my point is it doesnt make me dislike him or slag him off but to be truthfull I do think less of him because of it.

As for Tommy ... he has always kept quiet around me about it, but never not asked the odd question or two (if you pardon the pun), if you listen to archived files from his talk 107 radio show ... look up EASTBORN there...Im not sure of the links myself. Hope that helps.

[An archist]

Chicano Shamrock ... I think the good that it does is wake people up. I think there are many socialists out there who indeed dont know that they are socialists. i think the ability to question everything and not take things for granted, to stop eating mcdonalds, to stop shopping at Gap etc, to stop buy nescafe and so on are all parts of an awakening, if they do that through an interest in the NWO and then reading more and more into each subject, thus opening more political avenues to yourself and thus a political awakening can only be a good thing. Lets face it...we have the same enemies.


How will this help build an anarchist/communist society?
What you're talking about is consumer democracy, quite a liberal concept.

[Sam_b]

should I wear a red rose in my lappel? http://www.revleft.com/vb/4th-july-protest-t80352/revleft/smilies/biggrin.gif

If you're in the city centre today (Saturday) make sure you say hello and we can discuss this further ;)

[DropZoneRecords]

I was at the Rally for Tommy mate

[Justin CF]

I'm not buying the NWO bit, but I really want to step past that for a second and ask a question about one of your pieces of evidence for the NWO's existence, with some added emphasis...


Firstly, take your conspiresy crap and shove it! Exactly tell me where the "shit" is. The CFR exists, as does the UN, the invasion of Iraq happened and Guantanamo bay exists.Now, here's my question: were you simply naming off different things which you see as being bad, or were you actually trying to use Guantanamo bay as evidence that the U.S. is in cahoots with Castro-1 and Castro-2? Because I seriously doubt the second one, and I think a little bit a research should clear up any misnomers about Cuba and the U.S. getting all snuggly together.

[DropZoneRecords]

My use of Guantanamo bay wasent a reflection of Castro, it was more pointing out that people are being rounded up all around the globe and being locked away in jails where their civil liberties are taken away and noone really seems to care ... altho the Castro thing intrigues me but nothing in connection with the NWO.

[Post-Something]

oh sorry, I nearly forgot...Post-Something ... George stays well away from the subject of 9/11 etc, he doesnt believe it was an inside job or anything like that. This is where we disagree (as I agree with mostly everything else he says), bear in mind Ive only spoken to him on a few occassions, but yeh he thinks pretty much the same as you guys, my point is it doesnt make me dislike him or slag him off but to be truthfull I do think less of him because of it.

As for Tommy ... he has always kept quiet around me about it, but never not asked the odd question or two (if you pardon the pun), if you listen to archived files from his talk 107 radio show ... look up EASTBORN there...Im not sure of the links myself. Hope that helps.

Hmm, quite interesting. Thanks for that.

[DropZoneRecords]

no bother mate

[thejambo1]

i have read this thread from the start, and good fun it is too!! basically this should really be on another forum, one where conspiracy theorists can spout their pish till their hearts content. nwo etc is a load of tripe and has no meaning to class concious activists whether they be socialist, anarchist or communist. people that are into their wee conspiracy theories really should get the fuck of revleft and take their crackpot theories elsewher!! thank you and good night:glare:

[DropZoneRecords]

i have read this thread from the start, and good fun it is too!! basically this should really be on another forum, one where conspiracy theorists can spout their pish till their hearts content. nwo etc is a load of tripe and has no meaning to class concious activists whether they be socialist, anarchist or communist. people that are into their wee conspiracy theories really should get the fuck of revleft and take their crackpot theories elsewher!! thank you and good night:glare:

You my good man ... are an ignorant arsehole :tt2:

[thejambo1]

maybe an ignorant arsehole but not a paranoid fuckwit!!!:thumbdown:

[Sam_b]

You my good man ... are an ignorant arsehole

If he is what you say, then try and dispel his quote, that the 'nwo' "has no meaning to class concious activists whether they be socialist, anarchist or communist"

In what way is it meaningful to class struggle socialists and anarchists, when the NWO myth, a theory created by the right, has been all but disproven? Should activists be concentrating on this, rather than their work within trade unions or fighting for a working wage (things that are relevant to the working class)?

By the way, how many people did this so-called 'mass movement' get in London for the protest?

[DropZoneRecords]

Firstly Sam the event is next month, but I will tell you when I get back. And to answer his question before he spoke so ignorantly... and believe me Im not the person to be played with. I am polite enough to explain my actions and discuss this like a grown up BUT when you make a sweepinhg statement despite me explaining things along then he deserves all the heat he gets and quite frankly he is a joke if he thinks he is some sort of socialist, a dam coffee shop revolutionary!

Anyway, in answer to the question ...

'nwo' "has no meaning to class concious activists whether they be socialist, anarchist or communist"

Where do I start!!??? The NWO is an attack on class and those on the lower class scale, the NWO is about promoting big business, Capitalist corporate structure in where only corporate greed suceeds. It suceeds at the expence of third world countries and the poison of the lower classes in the west, through media, fast food, insane unfair taxes and even the so-called medicines made to make our life better. The poisons in our food and our water, the war they call when WE walk to our death in order to let them gain more money, more terrirtory and more power ... and all the time, push and promote more fear so we hide in our houses more, close the curtains and worse still .... leave good people like you to argue and fight good people like me!

I feel that his and possibly your opinions and ideas of what the NWO actually is differs from what I believe it to be. "The old Guilt of asscossiation" etc. Why do you think the Black Panthers are coming back? why do you think "insurgency" is rife in 3rd world countries? why do you think our media is going into overdrive to bring down people like Fidel, Chavez, Galloway etc? Why do you think that even smaller parties are under attack? Holding onto "terrorists" has been expanded to 42 days?

If your not with us then your against us, if your not with us then your with them ... these are the words of BUSH, Well in that case Im I Terrorist, proud to be and will forever be while these evil demons run the Whitehouse, run Downing street, rule over the UN, NATO, CFR, TC .... call them what ever you want, they can rename their self in many disguises, they can say they do it for freedom of other, WE know that they are making money at the expence of our blood! This is no fairytale, what is going on in the world today is real, death is real, for those that think the NWO is false then tell that the the mother and father of a soldier who isnt returning from War, tell that to the person in Palestine who's house has been bulldosed?

We are at war..... and if you dont wake up, your going to miss it!

Respects.

[An archist]

So what does that have to do with the nwo?
The problem is not the ruling elite, the problem is that there is a ruling elite. So, like you said: who cares what name they use? (or what name is given to them)

[thejambo1]

right my man, you are a total mentalist! this you can spout your pish all night long but it is still pish!!! you drop names like its the thing to do!! but to an anarchist like myself galloway and sheridan mean fuck all!! you are a fucking menatalist and should post your pish elsewhere not on revleft!! this is a class orientated forum not one for paranoid fantasies!! please give us all a break and go elsewhere!!:rolleyes:

[Comandante Guevara]

I would like to give my view to this thread as a newbie and uneducated in terms of foreign affairs...
I think we have the same common enemy and like someone said before, if the conspiracy theories help me read this and many other post in the Forum to help me realize how our society is controlled, then so be it...
Personally I agree with many points written by Breaking the Matrix, wether they are true or not, cant tell because I did not research his statements, but as I said at the beginning I am new and still need to learn a lot to even try to convinve someone of something.
I am going to the 4th of July protest (London) because a friend of mine from RATB said he was going and I decided to join also. Even if it helps to give a message to the Government that there are still people who dont agree with their war policies it will be good to show myself there.
I also like to comment that I truly dislike people who insults other people and show no respect for other people's point of view. If you think they are not right, you should say so and show your point of view. Even if there is no conspiracy from our Governments, it is good to make people question themselves about some of their policies and asked ourselves why they are doing this or that.
These are my opinion and I hope I dont get insulted for expresing my ignorant point of view in many matters written in this thread.
One last thing, I am truly impressed by the knowledge of some people and really feel envious of their brains :)

[Sam_b]

The NWO is an attack on class and those on the lower class scale, the NWO is about promoting big business, Capitalist corporate structure in where only corporate greed suceeds. It suceeds at the expence of third world countries and the poison of the lower classes in the west, through media, fast food, insane unfair taxes and even the so-called medicines made to make our life better. The poisons in our food and our water, the war they call when WE walk to our death in order to let them gain more money, more terrirtory and more power ... and all the time, push and promote more fear so we hide in our houses more, close the curtains and worse still .... leave good people like you to argue and fight good people like me!

Please do not portray this as some sort of 'fight' stirred up by outsiding forces. It is of upmost imporatance to have these sort of discussions and raise some clarity. The idea of the NWO is one often coined by the far right, and on some levels ties into the proposterous 'ZOG' theory. There is no organisation of the kind that is "succeeding at the structure in where only corporate greed succeeds" - thats just capitalism. Your rhetoric is one against capitalism, not of people like Icke who claim pentograms are woven into city plans.

Ultimately, it does not have any relevance to working people. For example, I have started a new job over the summer working in a shop. My fellow workers speak a lot about the low paying conditions and lack of job rights. This is an immediate issue which is important to them, and obviously tied into capitalism: do we give thes epeople solutions, or do we rant and rave over a theory which says that there is an emerging plot to mind-control people?

The existing social movements throughout the world are not based on conspiracy theories or using the NWO taline to explain neoliberalism. Pure and simply it is capitalism. The very idea or use of NWO I feel discredits our movement and is not an adequate class critique of the capitalist structure. Why should we use it where the critiques of the historical predecessors of our movement, Marx and Lenin, didn't need to?

We may be in this absract 'war'. but it is against capitalism.

[thejambo1]

comandante guevara i am sorry if insults upset you but if you have read all this thread you will see it is an absolute load of crap!!! as has been said umpteen times by plenty on this topic, it has nothing to do with class politics of the kind seen on these forums. read sam bs reply above as it is totally correct. if you fall under the sway of the nwo type conspiracy theories you wont find much support on revleft. it is the domain of the militias and mentalists!!!