What to do with this American kid.......

[American Kid]

I'm posting this in Socialism vs. Capitalism because, unlike other users here:


http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=1206&start=0 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=17&topic=1206&start=0)

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...c=1301&start=10 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=17&topic=1301&start=10)

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...c=1344&start=40 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=17&topic=1344&start=40)

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...c=1377&start=10 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=17&topic=1377&start=10)

I don't enjoy picking fights (or parcipating in them) (unless, for the sake of self-respect, I have to) in Chit Chat. Unlike other users here, I've learned the rules, and've since followed them.

So thanks for the attempted coup. Made for a few thrilling nights there. Luckily, thanks to my minions, I was able to sway the vote. Don't know if they're all in yet, but as of a half hour ago, I was "postin'", so.......

Can't say I wasn't distressed about it, as I quite enjoy Chit Chat, and "rappin'" with the kids over there. As I understand it, part of leftist-ideaology is respecting every other person as your fellow man. As it should be, regardless of the ideaology.

Well, for some, it is. Unless you disagree with them. Then you become a "piece of shit cappie", spewing forth "typical capitalist drivel". Unfortunate, though not surprising. After all, this is a forum with the two words: "Socialism" and "Capitalism" next to each other, with a nice little "vs." in-between. So I suppose on that merit, pie-throwing is expected.

I don't quite understand, still, the great cappie "purge" of July (August?) when all "cappies" were banned from Chit Chat, except me. I've heard different people take credit for it. All I know is, I'm still there. And have since made some neat friends. Who's minds I'm constantly attempting to poison with my "capitalist drivel."

Not revealing my sources, apparently I was criticized as being a "non-threat". This is surprising to me, as, admittedly I've spent my majority of time here goofing off in chit chat with the kids, I've also made some, in my opinion, significant contributions to S vs. C recently as well. My recent thread about Ramzi Binalshibbh a good example. No food Allowed thought it was worthwhile enough to make a mundane post in it, just to bring back up to the top of the screen, so others could read it.

Last week I was butting heads with Field Marshall on a few threads he started about the flag.

ect, ect......I AM a threat, if I choose to be. You can call me a goofball, or a dork, or a "cappie piece of shit", but no one here can say I'm not bright, and if provoked, I'm smart enough to kick your ass all over town.

I understand though where all these criticisms of being irrelevant came from. Namely, my ignoring a member or two whom I'd basically given up on.

My friend vox may come to mind. I think he was rubbed the wrong way when I ignored him on the domestic violence thread a while back.

This was because basically I'd had it. Yeah,,....it's a lot of fun debating someone when, basically, all they do is INSULT YOU. lol, I'm serious. Wait, want some links, okay....

Well, just CLICK ANY FUCKING LINK WITH HIS NAME ON IT. Seriously. Does this make me a pussy? Negative. Does this mean I prefer not to engage in conversation with those who continually degrade and condescend me? Yes, absolutely. I gave up on debating him, as it was just counter-productive. It was going no where. All we were doing was playing semantics, picking apart each other's words and attempting to make each other look like an asshole.

We never were going to change each other's minds. Ever. And what's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again----and expecting different results.

I'll go toe to toe with Field Marshall. I'll go toe to toe with El Che. Hell, I'll even slum it a little and go round and round with anarchist (for shits and giggles) but not vox. Not anymore. It's masochistic to duel with him. It's a brick wall, with barbs sticking out of it.

And also for vox, I went back and re-read that thread you've been nipping at my heels like a puppy to respond to for the last month.

You were right. I didn't read the article, and tonight, for the first time since the thread started, I went back and read your first response. I totally mis-read it. Most of what I say afterwards becomes irrelevent (in regards to the subject of the thread, not the name-calling, which I wholly endorse) as it's based on my "confusion."

I fucked up. I admit it. Anyway.

See you in Chit Chat.
-AK

(Edited by American Kid at 5:33 am on Sep. 24, 2002)

[vox]

Hee!

:)

AK, you've shown, repeatedly, that you cannot argue with me. Indeed, you haven't even tried. Just admit that this goes back to the Fight Club thread, where I countered your inane observations and your entire argument after that was saying that you hate me. HEE!

Yes, click on any thread, indeed. Here's a recent one I started:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...m=11&topic=2125 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=11&topic=2125)

Yep, I'm pretty darn ferocious, AK.

Oh, wait, just today I was being insulting to Maaja:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=21&topic=252 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=21&topic=252)

How DARE I use that tone with her?!?!

Now, how much more garbage are you going to make up? How many more mischaracterizations?

By the way, AK, I think that you should be able to post on the entire board. Just ask GR. I'm betting that you'd be too timid to post anywhere other than Music.

As for the links you posted, I stand by what I wrote. However, I can't recall calling you a "cappie piece of shit." You wouldn't mind pointing it out for the class, would you? I'm sure you don't want people thinking you're lying or anything, right?

This may be a good spot of fun, AK.

vox

[American Kid]

I object, wholly, to everything that asshole just wrote, pertaining to the first paragraph. Ask anyone here, vox, we've kicked each other's ass, a number of times.

The rest just supports everything I wrote to start this thread.

"Care to give an example for the class, AK?"

Uh, no. See the above.
-The sane AK

(fuck off)

[Anonymous]

Hee?

..........nevermind

[vox]

*yawn*

Bored with this already.

Poor AK, still in the first round and already he's reduced to shouting "asshole" and "fuck off." How very clever of him. With that kind of expressiveness, I'm sure he'll make a fine writer someday.

vox

[American Kid]

g'night.

[peaccenicked]

Hey I paid good money to see this fight and AK gets knocked out in the second round.
Sorry dudes, just that I have not laughed this much for so long.

[IHP]

i must confess that i am also a little disappointed in the length on this fight. well, keep your head AK.

vox-fuck you make me laugh.

--IHP

[American Kid]

I'm sorry to disappoint you. Go back and try to find some of the oldies but goodies if they're still around. If you want to be entertained.

But sorry Peacce, there was no second round. As there was no first, and as there was not even a bell to begin it.

There was no fight at all. As I PM'd my friend here while writing it, this was no fight. It was a statement.

It was a requiem.

with one foot in the mad-house (?)
-AK

[new democracy]

minions? i will stop supporting you if you keep this.

[Hayduke]

American Kid,

Let me begin with saying I was against giving cappies space
in chit-chat.

From the beginning and still am.

Some people come with arguments, that most of their friends are capitalist and they talk to them as well. So why not on Che-Lives.

Let me make a clear statement, my friends are left or A - POLITIC.
Most people are A politic, a mistake people often make when referring a person capitalist cause he's not left.

You American Kid, disgust me. Making cute little chain threads, in chit-chat. Making so called " buddies " of a opposite ideology.

Some people might have forgetten the fact, that I fight the right, and their crimes.

Im not a person, that likes to be double crossed. To bad my comrades don't see it that way. Being sweet talked in one forum and then being cracked down on their ideology in the other.

American Kid, I want you out of chit-chat to clear aother forum from your right bastards. Then again I seriously doubt if you even have any purpose on this board. You have not made any real argument on politics, with good facts.

You serve no purpose here AK, not in chit-chat, not in soc-cap.

Do me a pleasure click on the log out button and never log in again.

[mentalbunny]

I think someone isn't very happy. D DAY, give us all, including yourself a break. I don't think we should destroy the right, i think we should convert it, and we might have the chance in AK. Read some Camus and do us all a favour.

[RedCeltic]

I really don't like seeing D-Day this angery. :(

[vox]

"It was a statement."

Hee! Who here is stupid enough to believe that this was some sort of position paper? It was an accusation.

We cannot choose our accusers, of course, nor can we be responsible for their utter lack of argument, or, so it seems, backbone. Beyond whining that "vox is a big meanie" AK's post has no substance at all. And it's quite odd, to me anyway, that someone whose standard reply seems to be "suck my dick" is now blathering on about how terribly insulting I am.

Hee!

This is getting a bit too surreal even for me.

vox

[Michael De Panama]

If this forum exists as a "Internationalist Forum for Che Admirers", with the exception of this particular board, what is difficult to understand about keeping this a....well....internationalist forum for Che admirers? The restrictions of capitalists in any other section of this forum justify themselves. Supermodel, for example, is not a communist, socialist, or anything along those lines, yet she still has full access because she doesn't turn everything into a debate, and, more importantly, she admires Che! Stormin Norman is caged to Socialism vs. Capitalism, since he has proven himself incapable of avoiding politics and presenting arguments that attack the very foundations of this forum.

Now, to be quite honest, I don't understand why you have access to the Chit Chat area. I guess you aren't pushing your politics over there, with the exception of the Fight Club review, but it's really not like you have anything to push over here in Socialism vs. Capitalism. I mean, honestly, I don't think I've ever seen a real argument from you. I've seen simple and shallow pro-capitalist or anti-communist phrases scattered here and there, but nothing that ever makes an impact. Mainly, I see you standing on the sidelines cheering on the other cappies. I think that because of this many of the communists just see you as harmless.

It's a big mistake to confuse ignorance with innocence.

[Mazdak]

DDay- funny, how come you criticize my and the stalinist intolerance yet you seem to be more desparate to destroy the capitalists then i am??? You are too angry. AK is harmless from what i have seen. Why care? If you dont like his posts, then DONT READ THEM. Isnt that what you tell us "intolerant" folk. While i support destroying the enemy, you support converting him/rehabilitating him.

You are becoming quite the enigma D Day. Where exactly do you stand?

[American Kid]

Has everyone forgotten that when I came here, all I did was fight?

I guess so. lol.

All apologies D DAY. Now, I must go climb a tree.
-AK

[vox]

I wasn't around when AK first showed up, so I did a search for topics started by him in SvC. This is the first one:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...pic=578&start=0 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=578&start=0)

And, it contains this lovely quote from AK: "RED CELTIC I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT." Finally, we agree on something.

For those of you who maintain that AK is "apolitical," go read the thread and you'll see that, quite clearly, he's a bourgeois sympathizer, as I've always maintained.

vox

[Hayduke]

Quote: from Mazdak on 7:00 am on Sep. 25, 2002
DDay- funny, how come you criticize my and the stalinist intolerance yet you seem to be more desparate to destroy the capitalists then i am??? You are too angry. AK is harmless from what i have seen. Why care? If you dont like his posts, then DONT READ THEM. Isnt that what you tell us "intolerant" folk. While i support destroying the enemy, you support converting him/rehabilitating him.

You are becoming quite the enigma D Day. Where exactly do you stand?


" destroy "

I dont think in those words Mazdak, can't say that from your leader.

I fight any form of right wing, American Kid isnt getting a special treatment.

[RedCeltic]

Oh yea.... when he posted drunk.

But that was a good reminder Vox because I read that first post of his before anyone replied to it but never commented because... well... he didn't know what he was talking about. Just a whole lotta nothin'.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 1:20 am on Sep. 25, 2002
Supermodel, for example, is not a communist, socialist, or anything along those lines, yet she still has full access because she doesn't turn everything into a debate, and, more importantly, she admires Che!

Good point. Interesting how D-Day is matey with psuedo-capitalists such as Supermodel yet hates AK.

[vox]

RC,

If that's the criteria, no one would ever respond to a right-winger here. :)

The fact is, though, we don't have to guess at all about AK. He defines himself for us:

"I realize given my political views I am behind enemy lines."

There's nothing unclear about that, I think. His post may be a "whole lotta nuthin'," but that doesn't really change anything, does it? He's already defined us as the "enemy," and defined himself in doing so.

And, of course, I'm not quite so quick to dismiss the following as "nothing:"

"I challenge anyone here to defend with any 'justification' communism's inherent censorship- and OPPRESION." (Emphasis added.)

Again, there's nothing unlcear about that at all. It's basically SN's argument: "You are mistaken if you think the immoral philosophy preached by Marxists can lead to anything but a totalitarian government." Notice how they both believe that oppression is inherent in Marxism?

I just can't view that as being "apolitical."

vox

[RedCeltic]

Well, it's not apolitical at all Vox. I suppose the way he dances around the issues, causes people like me who skim long posts to miss some of the points you've shed light on. :(

[canikickit]

That's what you get for skimming.
Do you watch films on fast forward?

[American Kid]

Who's obsessed with whom? Jesus Christ this is getting stupid.

Celtic, skimming aside, you and me ALREADY had this argument last week (a few weeks ago?). We even PM'd each other over it. What do you mean vox is shedding "new light"? You've known where I stand this whole time.

Don't fall victim to the hysteria of this witch-hunt.

btw, I'm fucking sick of this.
-AK

[canikickit]

I watch films in rewind. I also, am sick of this.

[American Kid]

cheers

this whole matter-unequivocally- is devoid of any-and all- good craic.

(Edited by American Kid at 12:03 am on Sep. 26, 2002)

[vox]

"btw, I'm fucking sick of this."

Well, boo fucking hoo for you. Perhaps you should have thought of this before you and GR started your campaign of character assasination against me. YOU'RE the one who wrote this nice little thread all about me, now, in typical cowardly fashion, you say you're sick of it. Too bad.

"Don't fall victim to the hysteria of this witch-hunt.'

Hee! What witch hunt? Started by whom? Not me, that's for sure. But that doesn't fit into your game plan, so you and GR will keep repeating the lie, hoping beyond hope that someone believes you, but the record is clear. You're the one writing posts about me, AK, not the other way around. We're used to the filthy lies right-wingers tell, this is just another example of it.

vox

[vox]

Since AK brought it up in another forum, I want to take a closer look at the "evidence" AK linked to:

In the first link, I don't appear to address AK at all, though he, as usual, invokes my name before I've even posted in the thread. This is somehow supposed to be an example of me picking a fight with him. Laughable.

The second thread I didn't post in at all, so I'm assuming he meant D Days two word post was harrassment. Again, Laughable.

The third thread is nothing I wouldn't post to any right-winger, and I think you all know that. Also, one should remember that, once again, AK brings me up in the very first post. For not liking me, and, as he claims, ignoring me, he sure does type out my name a lot! Once more, this "evidence" is laughable.

In the fourth link, AK is claiming not to be a right-winger, nor a left-winger. I think that the links I've left to his other posts show clearly where AK stands, and in his own words. What I find quite interesting is that the post that started this thread was all about me, but two of the links seem to be about D Day, he didn't merit a mention. What I find even more interesting is that in this final link, Punkrawker wrote, "Your a right-winger. You shouldn't even be allowed to post in here." Yet somehow only vox got singled out!

Does anyone now have any doubt at all that this was about character assasination and nothing else? I didn't think so.

Facts is facts, as they say. I've provided them, AK hasn't. Rather, AK and GR simply whine about me picking on AK, when, as is clear, I've barely said anything to the boy, but he sure likes talking about me!

For those of you in the "oh just drop it" camp, would you "just drop it" if someone viciously attacked you? I doubt it. AK started this thread about me. In Chit Chat, for whatever reason, AK started yet another thread (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=17&topic=1388) in which he singles me out, though I've no idea what that was about and I don't know what his reference to a "fictional character" is all about. The fact remains, once again, he yells about vox, and nothing else.

No, I don't think anyone here would "just drop it."

I've been more than reasonable about this. I will not tolerate this harrassment, indeed, this "witch hunt" any longer.

Side with AK, but just remember, the facts are on my side.

vox

[peaccenicked]

This thread is going nowhere.
Either we ban AK........not an speciffically option favoured by anybody.........kick him out of chit chat which seem at this point a petty resolution or make him squirm in the endless knots of his own self contradictions..........here in suspended animation till the end of time..........till he gets a life as a journalist for the Washington Post or the Miami Herald...........maybe I am missing something.

[Anonymous]

It's like watching a soap opera.

[new democracy]

hey cool!!!! dc can post here.

[antieverything]

!!!!!!!NERD ALERT!!!!!!!

What the hell kind of stupid bullshit is this?

AK, fucking drop the "help I'm being repressed" act.

vox, stop caring so much.

D DAY, chill out.

Reagan Lives, fuck you...even though you never posted on this thread or have anything to do with this argument...still, fuck you.

Seriously, from what I've seen AK is simply your average, slightly left-leaning, guy when it comes to politics. He seems to be seriously and happily misinformed when it comes to socialism but most people are...besides, he writes funny shit sometimes.

[American Kid]

I don't feel I'm being repressed. I'm just agravated as fuck.

-ak