I feel sorry for Iraq - We are going to kick the living shit

[Capitalist Imperial]

Just thought I'd share my sentiments.

[Supermodel]

If we do go to war with Iraq, they wll capitulate in a few days. I agree it's a pathetic outlook, I imagine even servicemen and -women are dreading the annihilation of troops. It will be an interesting experiment in avoiding collateral damage, that's all.

Bye Bye Iraq....

[Anonymous]

...like a pop can.

[RedCeltic]

I feel sory for all the people who can't afford medical treatment, higher education ( or quality secondary) housing, or food... because the government would rather spend the money to murder people half way around the world than to take care of people in it's own countery.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Interesting fact:

In the year 1991, the year of the gulf war, The mortality rate for US servicemen dropped.

Why?

Because statistically, it was such a successful, one sided war that more US servicemen died in previous years from drunk driving accidents alone than in the gulf. When we conducted operation desert storm, much of our forces were in the middle east, and there was little opportunity to drink, let alone drive (except abrams tanks decimating Soviet T-72's).

So, for the 1st time in history, it was safer for soldiers to be at war than at peace, LOL.

I love the US military.

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 4:29 am on Sep. 23, 2002)

[Anonymous]

Hopefully, the long term presence of the United States in Iraq will increase the rate of modernization in the middle east.

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/upload/sykes.gif

[peaccenicked]

I feel sorry for CI. It takes real spinelessness not to oppose the outright injustices the US admin is inflicting on the middle east under the guise of a pile of lies that only the really gullible could swallow.

When it comes to the Iraqi people, I feel compassion for their plight. It is America's and Britain's disgrace.
The dreamworld of US propaganda has to be exposed to you. Most of the world already knows how stupid and vicious it is.

[RedCeltic]

Capitalist Imperial... I'm just wondering how many of my fellow Veterans do you actually know... and... have you ever met any that have suffered from Gulf War Syndrome?

People who've never served have no right to brag about how great the US Military is. I was there, it's the bigest waste of money known to man.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Silence, you petty dictatorial sympathizers!

Your ignorance and lack of vision betray you!
And you, RC, are boardering on treason.

We will not allow the proliferation of WMD's

We will not allow saddam to play rope-a-dope with on again/off again UN weapons inspections.

We will not allow to exist maniacal, dictatorial regimes than run contrary to American sovereignty.

US sovereignty and security will once again be enforced. An aggressive, preemptive action policy is good for America and by extension the world.

Preemption for freedom!

Preemption for liberty!

And you tree-hugging, twig eating, bird watchers are merely touting your usual illogical agendas based on nothing more than your own failures and the ensuing class ency that said failures generate.

Either jump on the team for the big win, or step off, suckas!

[vox]

Hey CI:

Where's the proof of WMD? I'm still waiting....

vox

[munkey soup]

We're gonna stop the proliferation of WMDs huh? What the fuck about, Israel, Pakistan, and India. I don't see Bush preparing to go to war with any of these States. And what about North Korea. They're a supposed rogue State, right? And they're ten times stronger than Iraq. Do you see the Bush administration gearing up for a war with them? No. Why? Precisely because they're ten times stronger than Iraq. Bush wants to increase his ratings and gain easier access to oil, he doesn't give a shit about what's right and whats wrong. If Iraq were as strong as NK, you wouldn't be seeing all this war mongering.

[peaccenicked]

CI you moron the US backed pol pot.
Sadam murdered communists.
Anti imperialism is the most consistently anti-dictatorship political philosophy. It was the US that put
him there and tricked him into invading Kuwait.
How long are you going to suffer from the delusion that this war is not mostly about oil just like the last one?

PATHETIC.

[Anonymous]

Who's gonna stop us?

[peaccenicked]

So you agree you should be stopped?

[Anonymous]

No. I just feel that there is no one on Earth that can prevent us from removing Saddam Hussein.

[peaccenicked]

You are saying might is right then.
Does that not make you a slimey inhuman monster?

[vox]

Hasn't "might makes right" always been DC's position? Hmm, maybe I'm confusing him with another right-winger, but I'm pretty sure it's always been his stance.

Jungle law, of course, makes sense to the right-wing. It's very simple, and that's all they can really understand, I think.

vox

[Stormin Norman]

Vox, this is what I mean by bits and pieces of ideological trash. You reek of communism. It is clear that you have been blinded by your ideology, as you always let your hatred for the opposition get in the way of reasonable thought.

[vox]

"It is clear that you have been blinded by your ideology, as you always let your hatred for the opposition get in the way of reasonable thought."

Can you cite the example you're talking about in this thread, or is this simply another right-wing lie, presented as fact with nothing to back it up?

(Hint for the right-winger: what "reasonable thought" are you talking about?)

vox

[peaccenicked]

SN You mean nothing, so full
of ideological trash, that your pea brain takes you here
to try and convince people who overwhelming think you are a moron that somehow that the military/industrial machine has the moral high ground.
You are a dozey flat earther.
Why dont you get real some time?

[LeonardoDaVinci]

CI, DC and SN, you are all behaving like your government in that you are all spoilt pathetic children on a power trip. You are too dumb to realise it, but the US foreign policy is alienating the rest of the world just as Nazi Germany once did, and many prominent figures in world politics have voiced their concerns in regards to the unilateralist stance of the US and its imperialist behaviour (Gerhard Schroeder, Chirac, and Mandela amongst many others). In all honesty, I do not see much difference between Hitler's ethic of Aryan superiority and your blind implicit belief in American superiority and greatness.

Your are right in that if the US chooses to attack Iraq no one would stand in its way. But what you nazi imbeciles are forgetting is the certain inevitability of cause and effect, that is to say that if the US does go ahead and attack Iraq then the chances of a terrorist attack being committed in the US will increase ten folds. Therefore, the next time you're sitting in starbucks sipping your caffe mocha and reading your weekly copy of the Blind Patriot, do not be shocked if the entire building collapses on top of you. Perhaps when you are trapped in that rubble you will give a moment of thought for those victims in Iraq and Afghanistan, those people whom you've referred to as collateral damage on many occasions.

[IHP]

dont waste your time vox

this dickhead has no idea what hes talking about, and hes even citing his own flaw, BUT he doesnt even realise it!

SN, wake up mate!

[Stormin Norman]

"You are a dozey flat earther.

Hey peacenicked, if you think of me with such distain and believe me to be a moron, why is it that you are constantly ripping off my insults? Get your own fuck-face.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 11:23 pm on Sep. 23, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from munkey soup on 6:21 am on Sep. 23, 2002
We're gonna stop the proliferation of WMDs huh? What the fuck about, Israel, Pakistan, and India. I don't see Bush preparing to go to war with any of these States. And what about North Korea. They're a supposed rogue State, right? And they're ten times stronger than Iraq. Do you see the Bush administration gearing up for a war with them? No. Why? Precisely because they're ten times stronger than Iraq. Bush wants to increase his ratings and gain easier access to oil, he doesn't give a shit about what's right and whats wrong. If Iraq were as strong as NK, you wouldn't be seeing all this war mongering.


LOL, the US fears no one.

NK is not as unstable as the middle east, That is the fundamental difference. Also, they have been named in the Axis of evil, and will be dealt with soon enough.

The rag-tag US colonials defeated the largest army in the world at the time, the british army, in 1776, fought fully in 2 theatres in WWII (the only nation to fully commit to 2 theatres), and faced down the USSR for 50 years. Please do not try and discredit US ability to go toe to toe with the biggest and baddest, because we have.

And we won.

[John Difool]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:39 am on Sep. 23, 2002
Silence, you petty dictatorial sympathizers!


http://www.sundayherald.com/27877
ahem .

(Edited by John Difool at 4:05 pm on Sep. 23, 2002)

[RedCeltic]

I don't know about you but I think all he's missing in this photograph is a red armband.

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2002-09/4717479.jpg

[peaccenicked]

Thankyou LeonardoDaVinci, that is I think the definitive answer to these brats. They deserve no more effort.

[Valkyrie]

From what I understand Supermodel, Iraq aready caputulated. They agreed last week to allow UN inspectors back in according to US/UN terms. US has now reneged and backed out on their OWN stipulations. NO, They never thought Iraq would actually agree to it . That shows, no doubt about it - it's about OIL-- not weapons. US is the one with weapons of mass destruction.

[munkey soup]

Alright CI, look at Pakistan. Who is more unstable? Them or Iraq? Both are ruled by dictators who came to power undemocratically (one being put there by the U.S. I'll give you a hint, not Pakistan). But who is known to have hundreds if not thousands of ACTUAL Al Qaida and ex-Taliban. Who came the closest to ACTUAL nuclear engagement since the end of the Cold War?

[RedCeltic]

crap! The photograph I posted changed!!! It was one of Bush with his arm up like a Nazi salute. :confused:

[Moskitto]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 4:25 am on Sep. 23, 2002
Interesting fact:

In the year 1991, the year of the gulf war, The mortality rate for US servicemen dropped.

Why?

Because statistically, it was such a successful, one sided war that more US servicemen died in previous years from drunk driving accidents alone than in the gulf. When we conducted operation desert storm, much of our forces were in the middle east, and there was little opportunity to drink, let alone drive (except abrams tanks decimating Soviet T-72's).

So, for the 1st time in history, it was safer for soldiers to be at war than at peace, LOL.

I love the US military.

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 4:29 am on Sep. 23, 2002)


What do you think about the deaths of Army wives at US bases recently?

[IHP]

"LOL, the US fears no one. "

remind me : in what year did the U$ join WW1 and WW2?

--IHP

[Capitalist Imperial]

1941

so?

we still fought in 2 theatres fully committed, the ony country to do so, and without us, europe would have fell to germany easily

america saved europe

don't try to deny it

[peaccenicked]

For every Nazi unit there was on the western front there was seven on the eastern front.

[Capitalist Imperial]

From "LeonardoDaVinci" (as fucking if)

"CI, DC and SN, you are all behaving like your government in that you are all spoilt pathetic children on a power trip."

{YAWN}

"You are too dumb to realise it, but the US foreign policy is alienating the rest of the world just as Nazi Germany once did, and many prominent figures in world politics have voiced their concerns in regards to the unilateralist stance of the US and its imperialist behaviour (Gerhard Schroeder, Chirac, and Mandela amongst many others)."

Fuck Schroeder, fuck Chirac, fuck Mandela. They are merely paying benign lip service to appease their own inflated sense of self-riteousness. When it comes down to brass tacks, they know who daddy is, and they will return to the reality of being our lap dogs, just like blair, sharon, and putin

"In all honesty, I do not see much difference between Hitler's ethic of Aryan superiority and your blind implicit belief in American superiority and greatness."

Well then, your lack of analytical ability betrays you.

"Your are right in that if the US chooses to attack Iraq no one would stand in its way. But what you nazi imbeciles are forgetting is the certain inevitability of cause and effect, that is to say that if the US does go ahead and attack Iraq then the chances of a terrorist attack being committed in the US will increase ten folds."

You see, that is just it, we will not allow the threat of another terrorist attack dictate our actions. We will not allow terrorist threats and the possibility of terrorist attacks to influence our foreign policy decisions. America does not allow itself to be controlled by fear like that, America, and no one else, dictates the pace of the game. What nation are you from? Probably one that alows fear to rule its policy-making. Sad. Of course, coming from you it makes sense. You are from the UK, home of the 2nd biggest pussies on earth (after France, of course).

"Therefore, the next time you're sitting in starbucks sipping your caffe mocha and reading your weekly copy of the Blind Patriot, do not be shocked if the entire building collapses on top of you."

Again, I'm not scared.

"Perhaps when you are trapped in that rubble you will give a moment of thought for those victims in Iraq and Afghanistan, those people whom you've referred to as collateral damage on many occasions."

On behalf of America I would like to again apologize for the above referred to collateral damage and any other compromising of incedentals that have occured as a result of benevolent american action.

Now fuck off.


(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 3:32 am on Sep. 24, 2002)

[Tkinter1]

I think most of you guys just enjoy disagreeing with the US's involvment in iraq because you enjoy being malcontents. You seem to have some sick need to draw the strangest conclusions from everything the US does. The US invades iraq becuase they fail to comply with weapons inspections, you draw that they must be nazi's or want to take over the world. US lands on the moon. They faked it to get back at the soviets becuase they have bigger rockets than us. The US bombed Japan and killed thousands not to end WWII but to strike fear in the russians. You guys are quite frankly deushe bags that like to wear che lives shirts to school and moan and groan about how terrible the US is. The funny thing is, i bet it it did start out as you just enjoying your anti-social status. You were rejected as is so why not give up and become an angry anti-everything style person. The sad part is you actually believe the shit you make up.

[Tkinter1]

http://www.sundayherald.com/27877

Thats hardley a news report. You said Ahem as if this was supposed to remind us of something or enlighten us of the truth. Keep looking difool

[peaccenicked]

''You seem to have some sick need to draw the strangest conclusions from everything the US does''
What fugking hole in the ground have you been living in all of your cretinous life.
IF anybody is sick it is you and the spoilt brats who spout stupid US propaganda on this forum.
Landing on the moon was ok.
Who has arqued against that here. Or is that part of you sick sarcasm.
You and your ilk have the blood of over 500,000 Iraqi children on your hands.
We are argue against adding to that death toll are not the sick ones.
You are not just sick you are a monstrous idiot..

[PunkRawker677]

"The US invades iraq becuase they fail to comply with weapons inspections"

Ah, thats right. Iraq is the ONLY country who has failed to comply with UN weapon inspections. What about Turkey? Or Israel? Why don't we invade them?

We punish Israel for noncompliance by sending them 3 billion dollars a year in aid. Although i am unsure what our standing is with Turkey in regards to weapon inspections, its obvious our missles aren't aimed at them.

[LeonardoDaVinci]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 3:29 am on Sep. 24, 2002
From "LeonardoDaVinci" (as fucking if)

"CI, DC and SN, you are all behaving like your government in that you are all spoilt pathetic children on a power trip."

{YAWN}

"You are too dumb to realise it, but the US foreign policy is alienating the rest of the world just as Nazi Germany once did, and many prominent figures in world politics have voiced their concerns in regards to the unilateralist stance of the US and its imperialist behaviour (Gerhard Schroeder, Chirac, and Mandela amongst many others)."

Fuck Schroeder, fuck Chirac, fuck Mandela. They are merely paying benign lip service to appease their own inflated sense of self-riteousness. When it comes down to brass tacks, they know who daddy is, and they will return to the reality of being our lap dogs, just like blair, sharon, and putin

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 3:32 am on Sep. 24, 2002)


CI, are you always so objective and articulate in your replies :biggrin:

[IHP]

"So?"

so...the point is, in both wars the U$ didnt commit militarily until years in to the conflict, thus being a fresh army, while everyone else was depleted. thats why they did a good job. its like sending in a boxer who has just fought 10 rounds, angainst someone sraight off the bench. of course the countries were fuckt, and then came in the saviours in a blaze of glory (chariots of fire music plays here).

im not denying that america definately helped the situation, thats a fact, not a arguable point, i dispute the fact that they sit idly by until they are attacked then think they're such heroes for saving the day, now YOU cant deny THAT.

so next time a completely relevent argument comes up, dont answer with "so" think about the argument presented.

[hawarameen]

just thought i'll let you know how iraq could be if it was ruled properly.

in the kurdish held city of sulaimani (my place of birth) the ruling party has modernised the city to an extent that it can be compared to many european cities.
while ther is little fresh water in baghdad and electricity is only available for a few hours in a day and people have to strugle to feed themselves, the city of sulaimani has prospered with new supermarkets, new roads, resturants and many other developments.
things are still bad and alot of improvement needs to be made but i fear all this hard work will be ruined once us attacks.

iraq could be the jewel in the crown of the middle east if it is allowed to be

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from hawarameen on 12:17 pm on Sep. 24, 2002
just thought i'll let you know how iraq could be if it was ruled properly.

in the kurdish held city of sulaimani (my place of birth) the ruling party has modernised the city to an extent that it can be compared to many european cities.
while ther is little fresh water in baghdad and electricity is only available for a few hours in a day and people have to strugle to feed themselves, the city of sulaimani has prospered with new supermarkets, new roads, resturants and many other developments.
things are still bad and alot of improvement needs to be made but i fear all this hard work will be ruined once us attacks.

iraq could be the jewel in the crown of the middle east if it is allowed to be

BUT WE ARE TRYING TO HELP YOU!

[John Difool]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 3:58 am on Sep. 24, 2002
http://www.sundayherald.com/27877

Thats hardley a news report. You said Ahem as if this was supposed to remind us of something or enlighten us of the truth. Keep looking difool


It's an enquiry by a lecturer at trinity college ...

And i trust Pinochet wasn't a dictator either ...
keep ignoring facts Tkinker

[hawarameen]

"BUT WE ARE TRYING TO HELP YOU!"

it is down to you (your government) that we are in the situation that we are in now.

we were denied a state when the ottoman empire was carved up mostly by the american government and if any of your past exploits are anything to go by i personnally dont want your help.

the kurdish people do not want ayone ruling them on their behalf the only way to resolve the situation is revolution and not one instigated by oil companies, Mcdonalds, or an ibecile such as bush, it has to be down to the people, only they have the passion to want to improve their own lives.

[Tkinter1]

"keep ignoring facts Tkinker"

keep S T R E T C H I N G facts and the truth difool

[John Difool]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 2:49 am on Sep. 26, 2002
"keep ignoring facts Tkinker"

keep S T R E T C H I N G facts and the truth difool

at least, you admit you ignore truth, and that I have it for a basis of my argumentation ...

[Tkinter1]

"at least, you admit you ignore truth"
what?

"It's an enquiry by a lecturer at trinity college"

yeah thats a real solid basis....

[Aleksandar]

One question!
Does America have nuclear,biologigal etc. weapons?
Should we attack US?

[Stormin Norman]

You are a jack-ass.

[vox]

"One question!
"Does America have nuclear,biologigal etc. weapons?"

Did you read about President Mohammad Khatami's speech to the UN (http://www.uexpress.com/tedrall/site/viewru.htm)?

vox

[Goldfinger]

Quote: from hawarameen on 1:17 pm on Sep. 24, 2002
iraq could be the jewel in the crown of the middle east if it is allowed to be

You're absolutely right.
Did you know that Afghanistan used to be the jewel of the world a few hundred years ago, when we burned witches in Europe? It was a liberal and free country, with fantastic culture.

[hawarameen]

correct me if im wrong (and im sure some of you wont hesitate) but isnt america the only country to use WMD against innocent people ie hiroshima, nagasaki.

it seems to me that it is the americans we should be worried about.

[John Difool]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 3:52 am on Sep. 28, 2002
"yeah thats a real solid basis....



glad you admit it ...
you're amking gradual progresses .