What is the socialist view towards energy sources?

[jesper]

I am new here( though i registered a long time ago) so i am sorry if this has been discussed before.

If we are to build worldwide socialism we need to have a lot more industry than we currently have, to prevent too much scarcity in consumer goods, .
My question is: Is it is in your opinion realistic to have more industry due to global warming and polution?

And even if we use the energy sources we currently have oil, coal and nuclear power, they will all run out eventually. Is it realistic to have an industry run with renewable energy sources solar-, wind power ?
or will a future socialist society depend upon us being able to use an energy source like hydrogen fusion?

It seems to me that it would be a great benifit if we were able to use hydrogen fusion, since it does not pollute the environment, and it would provide us with almost unlimited ammounts of
energy.

[RoterAnarchie]

We should live in harmony with nature and not consume nature!!
small community's that are selffulfilling and 1000000000 MAX on this planet!!

[Psy]

Capitalism requires the production of commodities so they can be sold for money for greater production of commodities so they can be sold for more money. Capitalism is very inefficient when it comes to turning productive forces into stuff people want since that really is not the point of production within the capitalist mode of production.

[jesper]

We should live in harmony with nature and not consume nature!!
small community's that are selffulfilling and 1000000000 MAX on this planet!!

Yeah but isnt that the final goal of communism?
My question is what we are going to use until we reach the stage of communism.

[Dros]

We should live in harmony with nature and not consume nature!!
small community's that are selffulfilling and 1000000000 MAX on this planet!!

That's really kind of silly.

[Vanguardian]

I am new here( though i registered a long time ago) so i am sorry if this has been discussed before.

If we are to build worldwide socialism we need to have a lot more industry than we currently have, to prevent too much scarcity in consumer goods, .
My question is: Is it is in your opinion realistic to have more industry due to global warming and polution?

And even if we use the energy sources we currently have oil, coal and nuclear power, they will all run out eventually. Is it realistic to have an industry run with renewable energy sources solar-, wind power ?
or will a future socialist society depend upon us being able to use an energy source like hydrogen fusion?

It seems to me that it would be a great benifit if we were able to use hydrogen fusion, since it does not pollute the environment, and it would provide us with almost unlimited ammounts of
energy.

Foundation for socialism on material basis according to BOGOVICH is electricity. We need to move to level-1 civilisation which primarily collect energiya from star.

Yours truely
Davyd Martynovich Smertin
KGB Officer
First Librarian
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[RoterAnarchie]

That's really kind of silly.

you find it silly to live in harmony with nature?

[pranabjyoti]

We should live in harmony with nature and not consume nature!!
small community's that are selffulfilling and 1000000000 MAX on this planet!!
Malthusian rubbish. You just have no idea what present and future technologies can do.
By combining processes that exist today. We can extract atmospheric heat to produce electricity. That is virtually an endless supply of energy. With new techniques in agriculture, agricultural product output can be increased much more than present level while drastically reducing land necessary for agriculture. By farming in closed spaces with proper use of carbon-di-oxide and sunlight, metropolises can be self sufficient in food.
Communism doesn't mean returning back to primitive communism. FUTURE TECHNOLOGIES CAN HELP US LIVE IN MUCH MORE HARMONY WITH NATURE.

[Tzadikim]

The problem with capitalism in relation to its consumption of energy lies in its inefficiencies, as usual: because capitalism cannot harness to a rational system its use of energy sources, it cannot prevent a tremendous amount of wastage of those finite goods - because it supports the repetitive production of multiple copies of the same good, it encourages waste; because it promotes a mentality that says "bigger is always better", it encourages waste; because it actively stifles any innovation which might undermine its system, it encourages waste. A socialist society would be capable of coordinating activity to develop alternatives to petroleum on a scale unimaginable in our present economy.

[NecroCommie]

The quantity of industries is not the problem on enviromental point of view. It is the exact manner of industry that is the problem. World already has the technology and the economy to provide for majority of the population their needs. What we lack is the economic and political will, for this change would require sacrifices on the western way of life. Democratic proletariat has all the interest to take care of industries in ecologically sustainable way, so the ultimate enviromental act would be worldwide communist revolution.

[pranabjyoti]

The quantity of industries is not the problem on enviromental point of view. It is the exact manner of industry that is the problem. World already has the technology and the economy to provide for majority of the population their needs. What we lack is the economic and political will, for this change would require sacrifices on the western way of life. Democratic proletariat has all the interest to take care of industries in ecologically sustainable way, so the ultimate enviromental act would be worldwide communist revolution.
No, quantity is also a problem because at present we need to invent new technologies and products that are more eco-friendly. The problem with capitalism is that it doesn't care about environment and humanity at all. Any socialist govt. or organization should give much emphasis on that matter and should help research and development to flourish that kind of technologies and products.

[NecroCommie]

The problem with capitalism is that it doesn't care about environment and humanity at all.

The keyword being 'capitalism'.

Whereas I agree with the fact that we need to research more, the technology and economy for the socialist and ecologic world already exist. We will never have ecologic society with capitalism, since capitalism can only exist if it expands and consumes. With socialism the workers rule directly, and they have little interest in ruining their immediate vicinity. Therefore ecological politics are closely tied into class struggle and communist politics. Only real thing left for us is to make all those green looneys understand why lifestylism fails, and why communism is the ultimate ecological policy.

[pranabjyoti]

The keyword being 'capitalism'.

Whereas I agree with the fact that we need to research more, the technology and economy for the socialist and ecologic world already exist. We will never have ecologic society with capitalism, since capitalism can only exist if it expands and consumes. With socialism the workers rule directly, and they have little interest in ruining their immediate vicinity. Therefore ecological politics are closely tied into class struggle and communist politics. Only real thing left for us is to make all those green looneys understand why lifestylism fails, and why communism is the ultimate ecological policy.
Quite true. I agree with you. Just to add that we also have to show our capability to both the capitalists and the lifestylists that we and only we can be able to live in harmony with nature.