Daad

[Andropov]

In the 80s in inner city Dublin there was a heroin epidemic that was ravaging the city.
A whole generation was being wiped out and graveyards were swelling.
During this time in the 80s early 90s a vast community wide apporach was gaining strength.
These included nameing and shameing known drug dealers and numerous pickets and demonstrations.
But at this time a more hard line approach was taking root.
This was Direct Action Against Drugs.
It was an armed vigilante movement with known involvement from various Republicans which targeted pushers.
Their methods ranged from punishment beatings, too knee cappings to death.
The figures and work of both the community and DAAD helped stem the growth of the Heroin tade and hindered its development.
It did not eliminate drug dealing (as that is impossible) but it nevertheless pushed the dealers out of the community and saved numerous lives in the process helping to slow down business.

My question is this, would such a program be undertaken by various Left Wing groups to target the dealers which prey on their communitys peddling filth?

[Sam_b]

Do people not have a right to put into their bodies whatever they choose?

[Lector Malibu]

Do people not have a right to put into their bodies whatever they choose?

Sam thats a good question. Ironically back along time ago I was a heroin addict and a small time runner.

As a former junkie I've seen exactly what this , particularly this, can do . I've lost a great number of friends over the years and a great part of myself in some ways.

Despite my experience with this and ironic as it seems I don't think there should be any limitation on the choice for people to do this if that is what they chose to do.

Actually I'd go further to say it's reactionary. I also think you are more likely to have problems with this sort of thing by it being restricted.

I will say however that I would not recommend my former choices to anyone . I mean that.

That said people still should have a choice in the matter.

[Holden Caulfield]

i think it should be discouraged in a socialist society, and full support given to those wishing to quit,

freedom is freedom, but heroin is a nasty drug

[An archist]

It's a bit of a tricky subject, on one hand people should be able to do with their bodies whatever they want o, on the other hand, if I'd ever see a friend of mine preparing to stick a needle of heroin in his arm, I'd rip it out of his hands and trash it.

[Lector Malibu]

i think it should be discouraged in a socialist society, and full support given to those wishing to quit,

freedom is freedom, but heroin is a nasty drug

Yes it is. let me give you an idea of how nasty it is in addition to what you know already. I've not shot dope in a very, very long time, and detoxed from it eons ago. Yet my body still remembers it. Sometimes my arms get swelled up and itchy at the points where I used to inject it. I often have very vivid dreams about scoring dope or shooting up , so real sometimes it's like I'm actually doing it in my dream. The most nasty thing that I have experienced so far is despite the fact that I have not done it it in ages, despite the fact that pretty much everybody I have know has died as a result of over dosing , or gotten busted, or all the stuff that happens as a result of this I still actually consider getting some sometimes!

[Andropov]

Do people not have a right to put into their bodies whatever they choose?
Are you serious?
You would have no problem with Pushers peddling smack to vulnerable and impressionable teenagers?
Anyways if you do support the right to choose to use Heroin.
How do you intend these Heroin users to feed their habit?
I dont know many junkies which are capable of holding down a job?
Would you accept Heroin users preying on their community for money so that Heroin users can have the right to choose what to put in their bodies?
Anyway im sure if you went down the street and asked a junkie whether they would like to get off the smack or not they would say yes. Where is their free will then when they have been enslaved by a drug?

[Andropov]

Actually I'd go further to say it's reactionary. I also think you are more likely to have problems with this sort of thing by it being restricted.
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The only experience I have had of this form of action being implemented is in Dublin, and it worked to a degree. Helped stem the trade and was seen over all as a success.

[Lector Malibu]

The only experience I have had of this form of action being implemented is in Dublin, and it worked to a degree. Helped stem the trade and was seen over all as a success.

Well it would take away of alot I mean alot of the horrible things that come with this horrible choice.

I also wanna touch on something you said. It is true like me you can get off junk and not do it anymore. Make no mistake though this is not a game. It's not Renton in Trainspotting I have never met a junkie that wanted to keep doing junk once they where hooked.

And I can't stress enough that this is a road that if a person choses to go down it will affect them for the rest of there lives.

[YSR]

I'd advise folks to look at Christiania (hippie anarchist commune) and their rules about drugs in their community. Also the Autonomen in Germany in their heyday had interesting ideas about drugs and drug enforcement.

[Lord Testicles]

From what I gather the DAAD were nothing more than a bunch of thugs.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2724/daad47.html

[PRC-UTE]

From what I gather the DAAD were nothing more than a bunch of thugs.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2724/daad47.html

The horrible unwashed masses. :rolleyes:

[Andropov]

From what I gather the DAAD were nothing more than a bunch of thugs.


Well then I would suggest you gather your information from a different source because they were anything but thugs.

[Lord Testicles]

Well then I would suggest you gather your information from a different source because they were anything but thugs.

Well can you justify killing cannabis and ecstasy dealers?

[Dystisis]

Are you serious?
You would have no problem with Pushers peddling smack to vulnerable and impressionable teenagers?
Anyways if you do support the right to choose to use Heroin.
How do you intend these Heroin users to feed their habit?
I dont know many junkies which are capable of holding down a job?
Would you accept Heroin users preying on their community for money so that Heroin users can have the right to choose what to put in their bodies?
Anyway im sure if you went down the street and asked a junkie whether they would like to get off the smack or not they would say yes. Where is their free will then when they have been enslaved by a drug?
Very well said, I agree with you.

I, in general, agree with people doing as they like as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Fact is though, that there are people out there getting filthy rich out of other peoples misery. By misery I mean drug addiction. Most addicts does not want or choose to keep taking drugs, therefore it has nothing to do with freedom of choice.

[Andropov]

Well can you justify killing cannabis and ecstasy dealers?
I dont justify or encourage this.
But remember the media coverage of DAAD was just like its media coverage of the Republican movement, full of black propaganda. Just be carefull what you read.

[Sam_b]

Are you serious?

Yes.


You would have no problem with Pushers peddling smack to vulnerable and impressionable teenagers?

Thats not the point at all. If clean heroin was given to users on prescription, needle exchanges were encouraged and proper drug education given out rather than a blanket "this drug is bad" then there would not be peddlers on the street.


How do you intend these Heroin users to feed their habit?

What has this got to do with someone's right to do what they choose to their own bodies?


I dont know many junkies which are capable of holding down a job?

Firstly, you can fuck off with your 'junkie' stereotypes. And for your information, people can be addicted and still hold down job: a lot of drug users are functional addicts.


Would you accept Heroin users preying on their community for money so that Heroin users can have the right to choose what to put in their bodies?


Nice to see your tolerant of people fighting addictions. There wouldn't be this problem if there was a proper controlled line on heroin, as I have desribed above. The majority of heroin users come from lower socio-economic and deprived backgrounds: the problem here is capitalism, not this backwards idea of "junkies praying on their communities".


Where is their free will then when they have been enslaved by a drug?

I don't believe the current system has adequate facilities for the majority of people to quit their addictions. For example, methodone which is used in the UK is a poor substitute for clean prescription heroin; we can see this in the field trials in Switzerland where it, coupled with decent drug education, has been far more successful in getting people to break their habits.

I think this is a much more sensible and principled socialist approach rather than kneecapping dealers.

[el comandate]

Are you guys actually reading what you are writing ( some of you)?Do you realize that drug dealing equals corruption and dirty money?Isn't that actually what we are trying to fight against?Not to say about the drug users...they will be another burden to the society...and instead of having this people producing something they will be just consumers.In my opinion the punishment for drug dealing should be the most severe.
You can't put anything you want in your body aslong as your actions affect the society you live in.If you want to put any shit in your body, go in the woods and stay there.In this way you'll be no burden for your society.

[Sam_b]

Do you realize that drug dealing equals corruption and dirty money?

Yes. Isn't that a damning critique of the current system, where drug sales and policy are not efficiently regulated and simply don't work, rather than the drugs themselves?


Not to say about the drug users...they will be another burden to the society

What a disgustingly right-wing statement. Why do you think that drug users cannot function and will become a 'burden'?


...and instead of having this people producing something they will be just consumers

That doesn't make sense at all.


You can't put anything you want in your body aslong as your actions affect the society you live in

Please eleaborate about what is exactly 'wrong' with drugs that will affect society in a negative way, bearing in mind that the capitalist system is to blame for the corruption and black marketing and offers no solution for addicts who want to come clean.


If you want to put any shit in your body, go in the woods and stay there.In this way you'll be no burden for your society.

Instead of spraffing this bullshit would you care to read the arguments that I provided to another poster? Your right-wing stance on drugs scares me.

[el comandate]

to Sam b
Let's get serious....what right wing you see here?I could say your visions on drugs are scarry... Do you really think you can have drug dealing and no crimes and corruption?get real...if you would think a little you would understand what kind of addicts I'm talking about and I will not explain it...
To have a productive society you need workers...if you have thousands of people in their 20's or 30's under the influence of drugs what kind of work can they do?I'm talking here about heavy drugs not marijuana.
I fully agree to help the addicts quit and I have all the respect for those that quit but they should't get there in the first place...
And if you really think that drugs are good for a society then I will not even bother answering to you anymore...and I really don't think this is a rigt-wing stance...
'Till you change your mind...all the best!

[Plagueround]

to Sam b
To have a productive society you need workers...if you have thousands of people in their 20's or 30's under the influence of drugs what kind of work can they do?I'm talking here about heavy drugs not marijuana.


If you think people under the influence of heavy drugs can't work, You've never worked the graveyard shift at a diner. ;)

On a more serious note, unless you outlaw any and all kinds of drugs, including ones that are currently legal, you will always have people who abuse them and potentially become addicted. The rise in abuse of prescription drugs demonstrates this (Trust me on this one, my ex's dad was in his late 60s and had all sort of pills we use to raid). The answer is not prohibition but treatment. One of the biggest problems in the U.S. as opposed to some of the other countries in the world is they approach drug addiction as a criminal problem and not a health problem. The countries that approach it as a health problem have a much higher rate of people staying clean and less relapse. I don't have my sources available for this information on hand, but I will look for it later if you require evidence of this (which requires digging through a bunch of crap in my room :( ).

[Lector Malibu]

to Sam b
Let's get serious....what right wing you see here?I could say your visions on drugs are scarry... Do you really think you can have drug dealing and no crimes and corruption?get real...if you would think a little you would understand what kind of addicts I'm talking about and I will not explain it...
To have a productive society you need workers...if you have thousands of people in their 20's or 30's under the influence of drugs what kind of work can they do?I'm talking here about heavy drugs not marijuana.
I fully agree to help the addicts quit and I have all the respect for those that quit but they should't get there in the first place...
And if you really think that drugs are good for a society then I will not even bother answering to you anymore...and I really don't think this is a rigt-wing stance...
'Till you change your mind...all the best!

Hold on second. Before you decide not to respond I 'd like to ask you some things. Now I'm sure you read my post in this and at no point did I glamorize or down play the seriousness of this. I know first hand the affects of severe drug addiction. My question is do you? I don't say that too put you on the spot or anything I'm just curious.

Also as I said , and another poster agreed that if this stuff were to be made legal alot of this ugliness as you say dealing/dirty money stuff would cease.

Think about it, I'm going to use prohibition as an example. Alcohol was legal than they made it illegal . Witch produced some of the most bloody honorific times in American history concerning the mafia.

Listen I understand what you are saying. I will say though that your responding more from an emotional perspective.

As I've said I'm a former junkie. I'm not in the game anymore and my life still to this day has repercussions from that choice even though I haven't been strung out in ages. I would never advocate injecting heroin flat out. Nor do I kick it with junkies anymore. Still though that said it is their choice ultimately.

[Post-Something]

Yes, but I think it comes down to if it's really a choice or not. Is a drug addict always in the best state of mind to make choices? Is it really a choice if it's an addiction? Are drug users only affecting themselves, or many more people at large when they succumb to addiction?

Anyway, no matter what, I don't think something like heroin should be legalized in a capitalist society. Crime will always come about, and don't say there will be more chance to regulate it. Look at America, everyone can own a gun, and look at the crime rates. With all that in mind, how do you make sure that children aren't exposed? There is no way really. Making drugs freely available will only increase children's access to them.

You can look at it as an issue of liberty, but in the end, it is detrimental to society, and the argument is really if the choice of the individual is more important than the wellbeing of the collective (By that I mean freer access to drugs for those underage). And if that's the choice, I think I have to go with the larger number of people.

[Sam_b]

Let's get serious....what right wing you see here?

That you are calling those who use drugs as a 'burden to the society'.


... Do you really think you can have drug dealing and no crimes and corruption?

Your problem here is you are talking about drug dealing under capitalism, where it is a black market and nobody can judge the quality and purity of the substance. What if it was regulated?


...if you would think a little you would understand what kind of addicts I'm talking about and I will not explain it...

I have friends who have had serious drug problems, so you can stop your patrionising statements here.


To have a productive society you need workers...if you have thousands of people in their 20's or 30's under the influence of drugs what kind of work can they do?I'm talking here about heavy drugs not marijuana.


There are such things as functioning drug users and functioning drug addicts. People who use drugs do not automatically make themselves lumpen proletarians.


And if you really think that drugs are good for a society

Complete strawman. I'm not saying drugs are 'good for society' but something which gives people enjoyment, which under capitalism which oppresses us is understandable. If you're using this logic I hope that you don't drink, smoke or take fast food because these are also 'bad for society' in the same way you're saying that drugs are.

The answer to drugs is not banning because we have seen time and time again that this simply doesn't work. Where clean and safe heroin is provided in order to wean people off (like, as I stated earlier, happened in trials in Switzerland) it is much more effective. Proper drugs education rather than scare-mongering is necessary, and I don't think its provided.

Socialists oppose the anti-choice argument because we can and should not tell a woman what to do with her own body. So why are you telling others what to do with theirs as well? Such double-standards are evident here.

Finally, I might as well end by saying that I often take drugs recreationally. Does this make me a 'burden'?

[el comandate]

I really didn't expect my post to create such an issue...I like the way,you guys,answered to my post and with some of you I agree and with some (read Sam b) don't, which I will ignore...
I've been smoking tobbaco for 15 years and I do drink alchool ocasionaly...I have never used any other drugs...I did have a chance to ,but I know myself and I know if I like something I get easily addicted...so I stay away from drugs.Is just a matter of selfcontroling.What makes you take for the first time drugs?You think you are not cool enough?Hard life?I think that anybody can stay away from drugs from the very begining...once you start using them then you have a problem...
Again I will say it and nothing will make me change my mind...drug dealers should get the most severe penalty (and you know what I mean by that) and then let's see how it will go...
Let me ask you something...for those that said the answer to this problem is to legalize drugs and help the addicts (which made that choise by themselves to become addicts)...let's say I'm lazy...I'm so lazy I don't want to work one bit,is my choise not to work because I don't feel like...would you pay pension for me so I can stay home and relax?Why the society has to pay for your addiction?that's where you become a burden to your society...so,is not only that you are not capable of producing something...but you become a consumer through all those centers created for you "the addicted" to treat your recreational habbit.
In my left-wing ideology drugs have no place...it should't be accepted as a problem and it should be eradicated.
One more thing...do not compare tobbaco and marijuana with heroine or cocaine or any other shit like that...

[Lord Testicles]

el comandate, read: http://rs2kpapers.awardspace.com/theory288f.html?subaction=showfull&id=1116694321&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&

[Lector Malibu]

I really didn't expect my post to create such an issue...I like the way,you guys,answered to my post and with some of you I agree and with some (read Sam b) don't, which I will ignore...
I've been smoking tobbaco for 15 years and I do drink alchool ocasionaly...I have never used any other drugs...I did have a chance to ,but I know myself and I know if I like something I get easily addicted...so I stay away from drugs.Is just a matter of selfcontroling.What makes you take for the first time drugs?You think you are not cool enough?Hard life?I think that anybody can stay away from drugs from the very begining...once you start using them then you have a problem...
Again I will say it and nothing will make me change my mind...drug dealers should get the most severe penalty (and you know what I mean by that) and then let's see how it will go...
Let me ask you something...for those that said the answer to this problem is to legalize drugs and help the addicts (which made that choise by themselves to become addicts)...let's say I'm lazy...I'm so lazy I don't want to work one bit,is my choise not to work because I don't feel like...would you pay pension for me so I can stay home and relax?Why the society has to pay for your addiction?that's where you become a burden to your society...so,is not only that you are not capable of producing something...but you become a consumer through all those centers created for you "the addicted" to treat your recreational habbit.
In my left-wing ideology drugs have no place...it should't be accepted as a problem and it should be eradicated.
One more thing...do not compare tobbaco and marijuana with heroine or cocaine or any other shit like that...



How would legalization make you or anyone pay for an addicts "alleged" addiction?

Are you aware that some of this stuff has already been decriminalized in different parts of the world?

Have you ever compared the crime statistics to that of the US with those country's

Oh and since you asked how I became a junkie is a kid came up to me one day and kicked me down a sample.

And because I know exactly what I'm talking about , yes most junkies get strung yes this is true and some don't. I've known plenty that can put it down.


Just sayin, Personally I hate the stuff and the horrible things it does witch the majority of witch occur because it is not legal.

[redflag32]

The DAAD was supposedly a provo cover, to get back at dealers who wouldnt pay them protection money. If this is true or not,i dont know. But the wider anti-drugs campaign of the 80's and 90's was a definitive example of people power.

The Irish government turned their backs to the growing heroin problem that first set hold in south inner city Dublin. It took the people of these communities to put a dent in this social problem, not the government.

Organisations were set up, people who lived in the community would set up barricades and watch everybody who entered and left the estate. These were not thugs,women and children would man these barricades also,whole families would sit there all day drinking tea and keeping an eye.

I remember one banner from one of the marches to a local dealer which captures the feeling of this movement totally, the banner read "addicts we care,dealers beware" I think this is the attitude we have to take today. But i dont think violent action works. The concerned parents against drugs movement in Dublin conquered the heroin problem by marching on dealers doors and demanding they stop or leave the estate and also by policing their own estates themselves. DAAD came later and was a completely different thing,as far as i know.

This movement showed how communities can make a real difference without any help from the government or police, the Garda were non-exsistent during this time. one big pity is that when the movement was coming to an end the communists involved didnt try to keep the community structures intact. The whole structure of the movement was a classic socialist system,it worked from the bottom up and if those structures had been kept, just for community watch programmes even then we could have built on them the same way we are trying to build from the union structure. It would have been a bloc of prolitariate that could have been used and called on in times of struggle,organised and well trained in getting things done.

[Sam_b]

with some (read Sam b) don't, which I will ignore...

You ignore arguments you disagree with? Ar eyou running away from the argument perhaps?


What makes you take for the first time drugs?You think you are not cool enough?Hard life?I think that anybody can stay away from drugs from the very begining...once you start using them then you have a problem

Absolute bollocks, this shows up your poor argument. I can take pills at a club at the weekend, have a good time, and make it for work during the week. Taking drugs does not make you an addict, you just have to know your limit. Those who don't arent' given sufficient help by the government.


drug dealers should get the most severe penalty (and you know what I mean by that) and then let's see how it will go...

Why do people start dealing drugs? Maybe poverty? Fuck you and your right-wing analysis, it has no place in the left movement.


Let me ask you something...for those that said the answer to this problem is to legalize drugs and help the addicts (which made that choise by themselves to become addicts)...let's say I'm lazy...I'm so lazy I don't want to work one bit,is my choise not to work because I don't feel like...would you pay pension for me so I can stay home and relax?Why the society has to pay for your addiction?that's where you become a burden to your society...so,is not only that you are not capable of producing something...but you become a consumer through all those centers created for you "the addicted" to treat your recreational habbit.

Your grasp of critical Marxist thought prevents you from thinking about this rationally. This isn't a problem of drugs, it is the question of the lumpenproletariat that was addressed by Marx. Please do some reading before making such sweeping statements.


One more thing...do not compare tobbaco and marijuana with heroine or cocaine or any other shit like that...

Why not? Both cost money, both can in some cases lead to death. You can get an addiction to both.

If you've got the time i'd like you to address the points I made that you ignored.

[hekmatista]

The DAAD was supposedly a provo cover, to get back at dealers who wouldnt pay them protection money. If this is true or not,i dont know. But the wider anti-drugs campaign of the 80's and 90's was a definitive example of people power.

The Irish government turned their backs to the growing heroin problem that first set hold in south inner city Dublin. It took the people of these communities to put a dent in this social problem, not the government.

Organisations were set up, people who lived in the community would set up barricades and watch everybody who entered and left the estate. These were not thugs,women and children would man these barricades also,whole families would sit there all day drinking tea and keeping an eye.

I remember one banner from one of the marches to a local dealer which captures the feeling of this movement totally, the banner read "addicts we care,dealers beware" I think this is the attitude we have to take today. But i dont think violent action works. The concerned parents against drugs movement in Dublin conquered the heroin problem by marching on dealers doors and demanding they stop or leave the estate and also by policing their own estates themselves. DAAD came later and was a completely different thing,as far as i know.

This movement showed how communities can make a real difference without any help from the government or police, the Garda were non-exsistent during this time. one big pity is that when the movement was coming to an end the communists involved didnt try to keep the community structures intact. The whole structure of the movement was a classic socialist system,it worked from the bottom up and if those structures had been kept, just for community watch programmes even then we could have built on them the same way we are trying to build from the union structure. It would have been a bloc of prolitariate that could have been used and called on in times of struggle,organised and well trained in getting things done.

Exposure of dealers by community organizations and a welcoming, accepting, encouraging approach to addicts sound like a better method than kneecappings by self-appointed tribunals of armed men. People are more likely to exercise their free will to stop using if doing so brings them back into their community and gives them an opportunity to fill the emptiness and separation that commodity culture creates within all of us. I suppose fear can help a person stop using, but since addicts are already fear driven in so many ways, I wonder how effective this is, even fear of beatings or worse. Personally, I stopped drinking when I found a community of people I cared about more than I cared about my buzz. Isn't overcoming alienation a large part of the communist project?

[Josef Balin]

Are you serious?
You would have no problem with Pushers peddling smack to vulnerable and impressionable teenagers?

That is happening now. Legalize it and pushers will be eliminated entirely. Heroin is easier to get than beer for underage users (drug dealers don't usually ask for ID).

Anyways if you do support the right to choose to use Heroin.
How do you intend these Heroin users to feed their habit?

If it were cheap (which it would be if it were legal), very easily. Having a heroin addiction would be about as difficult as a nicotine addiction, and healthier.

I dont know many junkies which are capable of holding down a job?
Would you accept Heroin users preying on their community for money so that Heroin users can have the right to choose what to put in their bodies?
Anyway im sure if you went down the street and asked a junkie whether they would like to get off the smack or not they would say yes. Where is their free will then when they have been enslaved by a drug?

But people who want to take drugs are going to take the drug. Making it illegal just makes them have to buy from drug gangs who make more expensive drugs of varying qualities (which is how OD's happen) with dangerous fillers. The safest thing for users is legalization.


In quote.

[RaiseYourVoice]

You should legalize all drugs. The most important part for me is that it will be up to public controll. Then you can concentrate your action on people who sell drugs stretched with shit, who monopolise the drug sell or otherwise abuse their position.

[Dean]

This isn't some simple issue. This is an issue of a person's self-abuse that becomes a community problem. Lector's personal experience he shared should tell us a lesson, that while smack is bad, we can't simply go around knocking off dealers.

[Lector Malibu]

This isn't some simple issue. This is an issue of a person's self-abuse that becomes a community problem. Lector's personal experience he shared should tell us a lesson, that while smack is bad, we can't simply go around knocking off dealers.

This is true. Ultimately people do have a choice. Nobody ever held a gun to my head and made me do smack. They did not have too.

I would like to see legalization of this at the professional pharmaceutical grade level.

I also as I have said that as horrible as this is this option is will (I feel) deal with alot of attached problems.

Citys are already starting to make it safe for junkies to swap riggs for clean one's and you know that has saved lives considering.

[Sam_b]

junkies

:rolleyes:

[Lector Malibu]

:rolleyes:

What? Dude if you're ripping on my spelling I'm telling you now it blows.

[Sam_b]

What? Dude if you're ripping on my spelling I'm telling you now it blows.

No, i'm ripping on your patrionising and offensive use of the word 'junkie'.

[Lector Malibu]

No, i'm ripping on your patrionising and offensive use of the word 'junkie'.


Sam I was not trying to be that way at all. I'm a former Junkie. I really think you misunderstood my intent

[Sam_b]

Apologies comrade, I completely forgot your interventions in this post and respect you for making them.

[Lector Malibu]

Apologies comrade, I completely forgot your interventions in this post and respect you for making them.

No worries. I'm glad you pointed that out because I re- read the statement and it could come across that way.

Addicts are people too I've known truckloads. :lol:

[Dr Mindbender]

i think drug taking is motivated by the alienation and boredom created by capitalism.

These factors would be irrelvant under socialism so there would be no 'deterrance' needed.

[Big Red]

I fully agree to help the addicts quit and I have all the respect for those that quit but they should't get there in the first place...
And if you really think that drugs are good for a society then I will not even bother answering to you anymore...

el comandate your lack of compassion for the downtrodden of society who have been repeatedly abused and forgotton is unsettling, if not at least disturbing, especially for a "junior revolutionary" for whatever reason these people tried heroin, people make mistakes...it happens, they should have access to safe drugs and needles instead of risking life and limb everytime they shoot up because of a fucking drug war. The drug war has killed more people and ruined more life than the drugs their actually fighting i.e bad drug policy makes for bad drug trades. as for drugs not being good for society, well you should probably go throw away all of your music, artwork, or just about any other form of creative expression you may own. yes its a shame what hard drugs do to people and they should have access to as much rehabilitation opportunities as possible but the simple truth is drugs aren't going anywhere and pretending their not there or aren't a problem just makes things worse. And if it wern't illegal then the black market trade (which causes more problems then the drugs themselves) would be done away with.