You Fuckers.

[Valkyrie]

You all suck.

[Anonymous]

wise words!

[Moskitto]

reminds me of something illegal i've just done.

Yeah, ILLEGAL. But i'm not saying what I did.

[Xvall]

Quote: from Paris on 8:41 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
You all suck.


Did I do something to offend you? Sorry.

[Hayduke]

Quote: from Moskitto on 2:09 am on Sep. 18, 2002
reminds me of something illegal i've just done.

Yeah, ILLEGAL. But i'm not saying what I did.


*Cough* -nazi spamming- *Cough*

[Moskitto]

well, something more, a bit more.

[Anonymous]

nazi spamming witha joint on your mouth? (joint are illegal here!!)

[Felicia]

Quote: from Paris on 4:41 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
You all suck.

Um, why?

[anti machine]

This doesn't seem like paris...what the hell???

[Felicia]

Quote: from anti machine on 6:48 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
This doesn't seem like paris...what the hell???
That's what I was thinking

[Terminal Frost]

Are you like, twelve?

Or more probably, French. Although if that were the case you'd have surrendered all of your rights about 3 hours ago, after the first reply.

[Valkyrie]

Ha ha ha! . I am not French. And that message is for the capitalists. And I'll say it again: YOU ALL SUCK.


(Edited by Paris at 8:34 am on Sep. 27, 2002)

[Terminal Frost]

You're not French. That's OK.

I took A-level French solely so I could hurl abuse at them.

Seriously. :)

[Mazdak]

I was about to say, wow, one of the "senior members" just destroyed his/her credibility.

[Valkyrie]

My credibility is unimpeachable. I cannot be corrupted.

I sometimes think Socialists are born, not made. I'm not sure if you can learn humanity or compassion, I think it may be ingrained. What do you think?

[Anonymous]

I also believe socialists are born too, its genetics! it has to be! My grand grand father was comunist (from the familiy of my mother) my grandfahter was socialist my father was socialist and here i am the youngest of them all trying to continue the only good family tradition i know!

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Paris on 7:57 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
I sometimes think Socialists are born, not made. I'm not sure if you can learn humanity or compassion, I think it may be ingrained. What do you think?
Nice try, but there is no way you'll ever be able to turn this thread of yours into something intelligent.

I like it anyway, though. :)

Lindsay

[El Che]

lol...

[Valkyrie]

Yeah, I am just really pissed that one of our comrades (And PLEASE don't mention the name- because they'll think they've won) has left the site. We know it's because of them --- Those Fuckers. They suck!!!!!

Anway, socialisms in the blood! hehe!

(Edited by Paris at 2:38 am on Sep. 18, 2002)

[Anonymous]

:biggrin:

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 7:57 am on Sep. 18, 2002)

[canikickit]

What a joke.

[American Kid]

Is it possible to endorse capitalism for what it is, and NOT BE A PIECE of shit? Are we that short-sighted and intolerant?

barkin' up the wrong tree
-AK

[Valkyrie]

That's an oxymoron. How can you endorse capitalism and not be a piece of shit?

it's greedy and exploitative. causes wars and death. famines and environmental destruction, slavery and sweatshops, etc etc. Most All the ills of the world can be traced back to capitalism.

What's good about it?

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from Paris on 11:56 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
That's an oxymoron. How can you endorse capitalism and not be a piece of shit?

it's greedy and exploitative. causes wars and death. famines and environmental destruction, slavery and sweatshops, etc etc. Most All the ills of the world can be traced back to capitalism.

What's good about it?



Well said.. :biggrin:

[American Kid]

People cause wars and death.

There were armies way before there was an industrial revolution.
-AK


(Edited by American Kid at 6:46 am on Sep. 18, 2002)

[Valkyrie]

I am talking about present day. Now. not ancient History. Most of the ills of the world TODAY can be traced back to capitalism and the effect it has on society and the world at large. The wars of Today are a direct result of either maintaining capitalism and imperialism or establishing capitalism and imperialism.

[ArgueEverything]

"Yeah, I am just really pissed that one of our comrades (And PLEASE don't mention the name- because they'll think they've won) has left the site. We know it's because of them --- Those Fuckers. They suck!!!!!"

I really don't think he left because of them. Actually, I think he got a kick out of intellectually destroying them. But now that most of the cappies here are just trolls, its not worth the time.

[new democracy]

as much as this thread is tupid, i know how paris feels. cappis make me to want to make a thread that will sound like this: FUCK YOU!!!!!! after ci says "long live capitalism" and he and the other cappis say that america is superior and other nations are inferior(ak is the only cappie that don't think like this), it really make me to want to start a thread like this.

[Felicia]

Quote: from American Kid on 2:44 am on Sep. 18, 2002
People cause wars and death.

There were armies way before there was an industrial revolution.
-AK


(Edited by American Kid at 6:46 am on Sep. 18, 2002)

Yes, but there was greed before there were armies. Armies were created to defend people and land, as well as to aquire/steel land from other people and their territory, spreading influence and all that not so good stuff, lol ah well, anyway :(

[Valkyrie]

Right argue everything. I agree. I also think it's in part that we have become leniant and complaiscent in accepting them here and even befriending them to different degrees. Don't forget what that means. If you are living in the US, that means they are voting Republican and totally behind Bush and his lackeys. If you are living in an underdeveloped country - that means they are in support of aggressive actions against your people and exploiting your resources. They seek to see that capitalism will prevail at any cost for the benefit of only themselves and at the expense of everyone else. We have an agenda just as much as they do and to become complaiscant undermines any small advances we make in the world.

[Valkyrie]

AK, what do you mean... "oh.. well.. anyway... :(. "

If you know it's wrong - why do you support such policies?

[Valkyrie]

Sorry Felicia, i thought that was AK's post.

[Felicia]

Ok, haha :)

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from American Kid on 12:44 am on Sep. 18, 2002
People cause wars and death.

There were armies way before there was an industrial revolution.
-AK


(Edited by American Kid at 6:46 am on Sep. 18, 2002)


The more we are a "Thing" based society rather than a "People" based society... the more we will be a society of war, poverty, greed, and inequality.

Paris is right. People must awaken to the truth about the world around them or ever suffer in a world where they take whatever the corperations give them. A society where "Corperations" which are basicly figmants on paper, have pushed to obtain the rights of people. A society where corperations that should exist for the benifit of people, instead exist for profit.

Take insurance corperations. What's their goal? They where created to provide you with money when you need it. That's why you pay them!! Yet, have you ever tried to get money from an insurance company when you needed it?

We can not continue to allow corperations to take away our rights. Soon they will push us aside and be voting for us. They already run the elections.

[American Kid]

I'm voting for Robert Riech, btw. For governor of MA (which is the Kid's HQ).

That's the only one I've made up my mind on so far.
-Felicia


(Edited by American Kid at 5:11 pm on Sep. 18, 2002)

[American Kid]

Celtic, I have issues with what you wrote in your second paragraph. To me it's an inevitable fact of life, and not necessarily a bad thing that corporations exist to make profit. To me it's common sense. Do I agree when corporations start dumping toxic waste into reservoirs and their CEO's start stealing from the worker's pensions? Noooooo, absolutely not. But I think there are ways to fix this beyond over throwing the gov and dividing up ALL the wealth. These should be regulated. We should take them out from the inside. In other words, they should be policed. From Washington, independantly.

On the other hand, you'd never find me sticking up in any way for ANY goddamn insurance company. Those people are bound for Siberia in my book.

My boss had a break-in last month. They stole his coin collection, three TV's, three really expensive coats (link, mink or something). His "homeower's" insurance won't cover any of it, because it's his stuff----that got stolen. If it hadn't been, they would've covered it.

Yeah, read that last sentence over a few times if you have to. He told me this at work yesterday, I got so mad I almost had to leave. Well, not that mad, but I was pretty pissed.

Insurance itself is a terrible, terrible scam. Personally, I can't believe you need car insurance to legally have your car on the road. In a way, that is like gov endorsing it officially, isn't it?

That's something I've always believed, it's like extortion. And I thought of it long before I started coming here and falling prey to you guys' left-wing propaganda. :)

-Felicia


(Edited by American Kid at 5:11 pm on Sep. 18, 2002)

[El Che]

I agree with paris and others: the right wingers are the enemy, the enemy is to be given no quarter! :) (yup im fo real)

However I dont share in the view that just throwing insults (and i really am not reffering to this post) at them serves any purpose. It shows weakness if anything. Keep it civil and say wat you have to say.

AK:

"To me it's an inevitable fact of life, and not necessarily a bad thing that corporations exist to make profit. To me it's common sense."

You know, despite what you certainly think, since its a matter of "common sense", what you have just stated above is extremely odd. Its is not "odd" in the sense of being "unknown", for one knows how society works and why the above happens. But if you consider it abstractly it is odd indeed.

Why should a man made thing appear to you as being an inescapable fact of life? Something that always was and always will be.

You dont even enter into qualifing it or considering it good or bad, so I wont go there either. But I ask you, why would corporations, private organisations united under ownership that serve no public end and that exist only to look out for their own interests, seem to you like a natural, neutral social force? They are niether one nore the other and that is a clear as day even to the most obtuse of right wingers. I don`t doubt you agree with me on this, and yet common sense tells you otherwise.

Explore that, develop it a bit further, think about corporations for a sec, form an oppinion about it. Can you really afford to ignore such an imporant part of the world we live in? Dont get me started on how the actions&interests of corporations shape our world...

[RedCeltic]

AMERICAN KID:

I'm not talking about an armed Revolution I'm talking about electing PEOPLE ( as opposed to professional politicians) With the balls to revoke some company charters.

Mary Joe Long for example is running in my state (New York) on the Green ticket for New York State Attorny General. Pissed off at the way medial insurance companies have taken the public for a ride, and dealing on a day to day basis with greedy basterds that deny or delay treatment to people in order to make more profit.

She had mentioned in a speach that one of her clients she was representing said to her, "Please, tell the insurance company that if I don't get this treatment I'll die!!" Mary Joe said she didn't know how to tell her that quite frankly the insurance company would like that as it will save them money.

That's what I mean by a company that should be for the welfare of the people.. becoming nothing but an institution of greed.

Yet, it's not just society they affect, it's the earth itself.

How long must we live in a world which denies it's inhabitants public transportation and clean air because companies make so much money on fossel fuels?

How much longer must we live in a world where our prisons are overcrouded with non violent criminals while crooks like Genral Electric are allowed to go unpunished for poluting the Hudson with PCBs, making the fish inedable and the water toxic? Yet... not even paying taxes?

If corperations do not operate in the best interest of the people it is the obligation of government to revoke their charter and run them the way they are ment to!!

We have given too many rights to corperations which in reality only exist on paper. This world is populated by humans, yet... it is a human invention, a mear fabrication that rules the human race.

If humans do not take back thier rights to be considered more important than corperations, we are doomed to destruction.

(Edited by RedCeltic at 1:48 pm on Sep. 18, 2002)

[munkey soup]

This post is irrelevent but I just have to say it:

RedCeltic is a badass. I wish I could meet him in person.

[American Kid]

Why you...................address me in caps.............why I oughtta........

Well, according to my CIA buddies, you ARE a revolutionary. A marked one, at that.

No, we're on the same page. You have to understand, how I do. See, I know you're not the only one who's gonna read that. I know (am well aware, plumber) that you're not going to be storming the bastille any day soon. I know that. That remark I made was generalized in a way. We've got sort of a wiiiide spectrum here. But you already know that.

As a follow-up, RIP Robert Riech. He lost the primary last night to that **** Shannon O'Brien. Oh, well.....

-AK

(I'll address my "common sense" argument later)

(It's there)

[Guest]

hello,its me pastradamus.
Im posting as a guest since malte banned me,its a conspiricy! their out to get me again! *flushes his stash*

But i'd just like to say,straighten that little whipper snapper AK out! u made shit of him! no offence Ak.

[Anonymous]

Nice try, Brian.

[American Kid]

That was...................disturbing.

First of all, was Pastradamus banned? If then, why? He was okay.

Secondly, is that Brian? If then, why? Why is he so obsessed with me?

Thirdly, if it's not Brian, then who? And what the fuck are they talking about? Who's made shit of me?

Anyway....
-AK

[canikickit]

It's not either of them, it's me.
ha, ha, ha...

[Felicia]

That was really dumb

-AK, oops, felicia, lol

[canikickit]

That was really intelligent.

- Pastradamus, oops, fuck off, laugh out fucking loud.

[El Che]

"If corperations do not operate in the best interest of the people it is the obligation of government to revoke their charter and run them the way they are ment to!!"

But in effect corporations aren`t meant to "operate in the best interest of the people". They are meant to look out for their own greedy interests. So in reality they are doing exactly what they are suppost too.

The inhumanity of it all is that right wingers will tell you that by looking out for their own interests, often in ways to inhuman and despicable to even qualify, they actualy look out for societies best interests! Imagine that !

How they don`t drowned in their bullshit is beyond me.

[RedCeltic]

Well El-Che, I'm talking primarily about muncipalities. Privitization of corperations that provide a needed service has time and time again proven to be counter to the best interests of the public.

Examples of this are power companies in California and the Brittish rail system.

See, there is a diffrence between what a corperation is today and what one was 200 years ago. In New York for example, the state needed money to build the Erie cannal. However they couldn't raise the money for it. What they did was allow merchents who would benifit from a passagway to the middle of the countery to create a corperation who's purpous was to raise money to get this job done.

That, in a sence is what an isnsurance company should be. It should be... everyone pooling money together, with the corperation deligating it out to those who need it. It doesn't work that way in reality. They have been alowed to become this monstrous thing that will deny you services, or provide you with the cheepest possible in order to preserve profit.

[Felicia]

Quote: from canikickit on 7:40 pm on Sep. 18, 2002
That was really intelligent.

- Pastradamus, oops, fuck off, laugh out fucking loud.


Oh, like that was real fucking intelligent.

[canikickit]

Quote: from felicia on 10:50 pm on Sep. 19, 2002

Quote: from canikickit on 7:40 pm on Sep. 18, 2002
That was really intelligent.

- Pastradamus, oops, fuck off, laugh out fucking loud.


Oh, like that was real fucking intelligent.

Yeah, pure genius.

[boadicea88]

Quote: from Paris on 9:56 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
That's an oxymoron. How can you endorse capitalism and not be a piece of shit?

it's greedy and exploitative. causes wars and death. famines and environmental destruction, slavery and sweatshops, etc etc. Most All the ills of the world can be traced back to capitalism.

What's good about it?




So why the hell would you fight FOR it against Stalinism, which is socialism?! The same goes to El-Che.

(Edited by boadicea88 at 8:38 pm on Sep. 19, 2002)

[Valkyrie]

That's not my type of socialism. You are talking to an anarchist here. Believe me, that is a system that would intice me to pick up a gun against. I would gladly die first than live under that repression.

[Guest]

Quote: from canikickit on 11:40 pm on Sep. 18, 2002
That was really intelligent.

- Pastradamus, oops, fuck off, laugh out fucking loud.


WTf is that supposed to mean?

Its really me though.I cant log in properly,my password must be screwed up or sumthing.Could you send me a new one please malte?

& AK I was joking earlier.lol
& im not fucking brian! Im not a 40 year old virgin whyo lives in his mothers basement watching star trek all day!

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from boadicea88 on 10:34 pm on Sep. 19, 2002

Quote: from Paris on 9:56 pm on Sep. 17, 2002
That's an oxymoron. How can you endorse capitalism and not be a piece of shit?

it's greedy and exploitative. causes wars and death. famines and environmental destruction, slavery and sweatshops, etc etc. Most All the ills of the world can be traced back to capitalism.

What's good about it?




So why the hell would you fight FOR it against Stalinism, which is socialism?! The same goes to El-Che.

(Edited by boadicea88 at 8:38 pm on Sep. 19, 2002)


Personally I am as much against an athoriterian society as I am a capitalistic one.

As my current signature says...

[Frosty]

Paris...
I agree cappies suck, but posting this only gives them a new argument in their unilateral discussions...that ALL non-capitalists are morons because they call them fuckers...and no, i don't say you are a moron

[Felicia]

Quote: from Guest on 11:33 am on Sep. 20, 2002

Quote: from canikickit on 11:40 pm on Sep. 18, 2002
That was really intelligent.

- Pastradamus, oops, fuck off, laugh out fucking loud.


WTf is that supposed to mean?


He was making fun of me, I think....

[Mazdak]

So it has come to leftiss fighitn against leftists. Just like in Spain. WEll, the stalinists would win with or without aid from other leftists. You know why? Because we arent afraid of death and we arent afraid of killing. Like everyone else is here. While you hold your peaceful protests, we will be far ahead of you. The only way the capitalist learns is with the bullet in the face. It is that simple.

[Felicia]

Oh, please Mazdak. Stalinists aren't afraid of death? Aren't afraid of killing? I'm not a stalinist anymore and I'm not afraid of dying, or killing for that matter. Ok, why don't you get off your ass and go throw yourself into an awful, violent situation and we'll see how long it is before you're crying for your mother. I think it's fairly resonable to assume that many teenagers feel somewhat "invincible", that they are untouchable to the enemy. Why don't you wait a few years until you're faced with a shoot-or-be-killed situation and then you can report back on how stalinists are.

[Valkyrie]

Actually, I want a full report on his breeding farm! Is that a Capitalist Enterprise or one for the Socialist cause? Are these genetic mutations you are creating? as if New York is fresh out of supply. Ha! Ha! Don't bring them North of the City. thank you! We've enough up here!

(Edited by Paris at 12:48 am on Sep. 21, 2002)

[Mazdak]

WEll it is obvious to me that almost everyone is against capitali punishment. You are all a bunch of pacifists. Funny how the most peace loving people are the ones who would gop against their beliefs to fight stalinism.

Stalinists arent afraid of death because death isnt such a big deal. remember, Death solves everything, no man, no problem. Why should i care about the lives of the enemy? Why should i be sympathetic? Thats it. I shouldnt be.

i dont feel invincible. I simply dont care about living or dying when it comes to issues like the ones your talking about. If it benefits stalinism, it is worth it. 100%.