FBI 'tortured US Taliban suspect into confession' - Human ri

[Hayduke]

http://www.indymedia.org/local/webcast/uploads/metafiles/lindh.jpg

Suspected US Taliban fighter John Walker Lindh was mistreated by the FBI and "tortured" into confessing, his lawyers have said.

They made the allegations after releasing a picture showing him strapped to a stretcher naked and blindfolded shortly after his capture last December.



But prosecutors said the Muslim convert - who is accused of conspiring to kill Americans and providing services to support al Qaida - was being handled like any dangerous prisoner.

Lindh's lawyers said the photo of the 21-year-old suburban runaway from California was a "souvenir" taken by his captors as he was held inside a metal container at US Camp Rhino in Kandahar, Afghanistan

[No Food Allowed]

If someone can prove that photo to be true, then the FBI are going to have more major problems.

[Hayduke]

Quote: from No Food Allowed on 10:16 pm on Sep. 16, 2002
If someone can prove that photo to be true, then the FBI are going to have more major problems.

Maybe...

But lately im believing those guys get away with everything.

[vox]

The photo is old news. It came out months ago. The mainstream (right-wing) US media made jokes about it. I remember seeing it on, I believe, MSNBC.

It's true, all right. It's also meaningless. The US pisses on human rights every day. Was he mistreated? Of course. And no one cares, certainly not all these good, God-fearing Amurikans who believe in such things as "libery" and "justice for all," or, more precisely, "liberty" for the meek and "justice" for the State.

vox

[Hayduke]

Quote: from vox on 10:27 pm on Sep. 16, 2002
The photo is old news. It came out months ago. The mainstream (right-wing) US media made jokes about it. I remember seeing it on, I believe, MSNBC.

It's true, all right. It's also meaningless. The US pisses on human rights every day. Was he mistreated? Of course. And no one cares, certainly not all these good, God-fearing Amurikans who believe in such things as "libery" and "justice for all," or, more precisely, "liberty" for the meek and "justice" for the State.

vox

Vox,

Its old new but should not be forgetten.

I aslo don't see how this is gonna change a thing, but I thought
I would be nice to show those cappies, the horros there supporting.

America doesnt care about human right, unless it gives them a reason to preform a political reform in another country.

[vox]

D Day,

I'm with you. It shouldn't be forgotten. Nor should the "prisoners" the US gov't continue to hold, without trials, in Cuba.

And you're exactly right, the US brings up "human rights" only when it's a convenient excuse for its imperialism. I believe Chomsky wrote about this in The Umbrella of US Power.

As for showing the right-wingers what they support, I've always given much respect to the right in that regard. I believe that they know full well what they support. I give them credit for knowing the effects of the policies they endorse. This is why I believe they are inhuman filth, nothing but garbage people, like fascists, like Nazis. They, I firmly believe, enjoy the suffering of others. The right-wing is the bastion of sociopaths and others suffering from various forms of dementia. Capitalism, through it's cold cash nexus of human relations, enables them to form parties, to form coalitions, supporting the death of others as somehow "natural." The "survival of the fittest," they say. Garbage, it's the survival of the cruelest, of the heartless, of the worthless.

I've no sympathy, no charity, no love for right-wingers.

I've always maintained that position.

Harsh? Perhaps. But what else should one think of those who endorse policies which destroy people?

vox

[Hayduke]

Yeh survival of the fittest is the best description for Capitalism.

It doesnt take care for the weaker people in its society, I see every man/woman on earth as something valueable.

Capitalist think in Money, we think about people.

I think the attack on Iraq for oil, proofs my point correct.

[Capitalist Imperial]

It is incrediblre that instead of focusing on this piece of filth's treacherous actions and attempts to take up arms against his own nation, you pukes focus on the fact that he was tied and blindfolded in a box (not really that cruel, everything else being equal).

Poor him. He was all to willing to blow a US soldiers brains out, yet once we catch him and hold him accountable, he is the freakin' victim.

Not to mention that recently he has been spilling his guts to the feds for a deal, admitting he was wrong and begging for forgiveness for his mistake.

The tendancies of bleding hearts like you to concentrate on the perpetrator's rights more than the crimes they committ is unfortunately indicative of the lack of logic that liberals often display.

Pukes.

[vox]

CI, your consistent lack of humanity is equaled only by your lack of logic. Somehow, one villianous act makes all other horrific acts somehow "equal" to you, huh?

You're dismissed, son. You're not needed here, and certainly not welcome. How many times do I have to reveal your treachery before you can summon up shame for your disgusting, anti-human beliefs?

vox

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from vox on 7:54 pm on Sep. 16, 2002
CI, your consistent lack of humanity is equaled only by your lack of logic. Somehow, one villianous act makes all other horrific acts somehow "equal" to you, huh?

You're dismissed, son. You're not needed here, and certainly not welcome. How many times do I have to reveal your treachery before you can summon up shame for your disgusting, anti-human beliefs?

vox

Vox, stop with the fire and brimstone bleeding heart rhetoric and address the issue.

Mr. Lindh was not tortured, and any allegations of coercion or mistreatment will be sorted and settled in a court of law.

How can one question due process for Mr. Lindh, while at the same time suggesting that american prosecuters do not deserve the same consideration?

It seems that pre-judgement and assumptions outside of a legal arena are par for the course among liberals who wish to conduct witch hunts against american policies.

[vox]

CI, why is it now, suddenly, "Mr. Lindh" when just a bit ago you referred to him as "this piece of filth?" Can't you even keep your own bullshit straight?

Fact is, his treatment was unconscionable, and that's obvious. Since when is it "right" to tie someone up, blindfold him and stick him in a box? Huh? Got an answer? Or just more bullshit?

Well, CI, you already said it was right, everything else being equal." Yep, you did.

Now you're backpedaling like every right-winger does when confronted with the outrageous atrocity of their "ideals."

Pedal your garbage elsewhere. We see through you here.

vox

[Anonymous]

Quote: from vox on 1:41 am on Sep. 17, 2002
Since when is it "right" to tie someone up, blindfold him and stick him in a box? Huh? Got an answer? Or just more bullshit?


I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[Capitalist Imperial]

[quote]Quote: from vox on 8:41 pm on Sep. 16, 2002
"CI, why is it now, suddenly, "Mr. Lindh" when just a bit ago you referred to him as "this piece of filth?" Can't you even keep your own bullshit straight?"

Vox, you are splitting hairs here. My calling him "Mr. Lindh" at one point and a "piece of filth" the next is irrelevant to our discussion.


"Fact is, his treatment was unconscionable, and that's obvious."

Maybe to the bleeding hearts here, but many people see it as an appropriate wartime measure. Mr. Lindh received apprpriate medacal care, was fed, and sheltered. Of course he was tied up, he was a POW. Its not the Kabul Ritz. A reasonable person would not consider tying up a POW as cruel or unusual in a wartime situation.

"Since when is it "right" to tie someone up, blindfold him and stick him in a box?
Huh? Got an answer? Or just more bullshit?"

When they are an enemy POW and have demonstrated a willingness and ability to maliciously attack your forces. Is that good enough for you, morality master?

"Well, CI, you already said it was right, everything else being equal." Yep, you did.

Now you're backpedaling like every right-winger does when confronted with the outrageous atrocity of their "ideals.""

Show me how I backpedalled! I did no such thing, I have maintained my stance on this issue throughout this thread.

You are particularly dogmatic and beligerent today, Vox. You are usually not like this. I have noticed a significant change in your style and attitude.

Was the bread line particularly long today,comrade?

"Pedal your garbage elsewhere. We see through you here."

You mean your minion lap-dogs will agree with whatever you say because it supports their notions of anti-americanism, regardless of how well founded your claims are.

[vox]

Yes, DC, but it was established long ago that you're disgusting.

vox

[Mazdak]

If he had been rebelling against the Soveit union or a communist sate, i would not consider anything human rights violation. He deserves more than he will ever get. but as he betrayed the US(even for the filthy taliban), I say it is a human rights violation.

[vox]

"Vox, you are splitting hairs here. My calling him "Mr. Lindh" at one point and a "piece of filth" the next is irrelevant to our discussion."

Garbage. It's completely relevant, for it shows your insidious ass-licking style, first of all. Too, terminology is always important. Language does not simply convey fact, but attitude, and you changed your attitude extremely.

"Maybe to the bleeding hearts here, but many people see it as an appropriate wartime measure."

More garbage. If he's in custody, how is binding him, blindfolding him and putting him in a box "appropriate?" It isn't, and everyone knows it. You, however, with your faith-based jingoism, will defend any atrocity done by the USA, regardless of how vile, which, of course, makes you just as vile or, possibly, moreso.

"When they are an enemy POW and have demonstrated a willingness and ability to maliciously attack your forces. Is that good enough for you, morality master?"

No, it isn't. Was he in custody? Yes. Was he still a "threat" to US forces? No. Case fucking closed.

"Show me how I backpedalled!"

I already did.

"I have noticed a significant change in your style and attitude."

No fucking shit. Hee! I'm surprised someone as dense as you even picked up on it.

And, for the record, I don't have any "minions" here. Hee! Who the fuck do you think I am, the ass kissing AK? Fuck that. I say whatever the hell I want to say. When I'm pissed at Leftists, I tell them. I'm sure people here will agree with that. For the thousandth time--I'M NOT HERE TO MAKE FRIENDS.

Anyone who doesn't like what I post can fuck right off.

None of this changes your inhuman bloodlust, right-winger.

You can try to justify inhuman actions all you want, but we all can see the truth, except for Mazdak, who really belongs on your side of the fence, especially in terms of general stupidity.

vox

[Anonymous]

What? My cousins and I used to do that all the time, and we only bled a little bit.

JWL is a traitor who deserves to be punished.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Don't worry, DC, Vox is being a little fanatical today, and he isn't making a lot of sense.

[Capitalist Imperial]

[quote]Quote: from vox on 9:13 pm on Sep. 16, 2002

"Garbage. It's completely relevant, for it shows your insidious ass-licking style..."

How so? Because I used his surname?

"Too, terminology is always important. Language does not simply convey fact, but attitude, and you changed your attitude extremely."

My attitude did not change. I address him as Mr. Lindh as to avoid using his 1st name, which implies a lack of formality. I wish to maintain an air of formality here, because there is nothing casual about my attitude for him. Perhaps you should re-assess you reading comprehension and learn to abstract out the difference between respect and snide formality.

"Maybe to the bleeding hearts here, but many people see it as an appropriate wartime measure."

"More garbage. If he's in custody, how is binding him, blindfolding him and putting him in a box "appropriate?""

It removes all doubt of threat

"It isn't, and everyone knows it. You, however, with your faith-based jingoism(sic), will defend any atrocity done by the USA, regardless of how vile, which, of course, makes you just as vile or, possibly, moreso.


What occured was not an atrocity. It was a legitimate action designed to detain Mr. Lindh and deny him a forum for his shenanigans.


"When they are an enemy POW and have demonstrated a willingness and ability to maliciously attack your forces. Is that good enough for you, morality master?"

"No, it isn't. Was he in custody? Yes. Was he still a "threat" to US forces? No. Case fucking closed."

It is interesting that one of the principles of an arguement is deciding when said arguement is over. Last time I checked, that is not consistent with legitimat debate, therefore, the case is not closed.

"In custody" is subject to degrees. US forces did what they felt was necessary to subdue an individual with demonstrated aggression against the United states and its interests.

""Show me how I backpedalled!"

I already did."

No you didn't, and I have not.

"I have noticed a significant change in your style and attitude."

"No fucking shit. Hee! I'm surprised someone as dense as you even picked up on it."

I try

"And, for the record, I don't have any "minions" here. Hee! Who the fuck do you think I am, the ass kissing AK?"

No vox, to the contrary, you having minions would mean that your but is being kissed. Do you know what "minion" means? Look it up.

"Fuck that. I say whatever the hell I want to say. When I'm pissed at Leftists, I tell them. I'm sure people here will agree with that. For the thousandth time--I'M NOT HERE TO MAKE FRIENDS."

Wow, let me tell you tiger, you had me fooled.

"Anyone who doesn't like what I post can fuck right off.

None of this changes your inhuman bloodlust, right-winger."

Human blood-lust?

Take out the tape of "Caligula", close your eyes, and count to 10.

"You can try to justify inhuman actions all you want, but we all can see the truth, except for Mazdak, who really belongs on your side of the fence, especially in terms of general stupidity."

At least Mazdak is a true red, acknowledging what communism really is.

vox


(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 11:40 pm on Sep. 16, 2002)

[Tkinter1]

Oh god forbid he's tied to a strecher. Oh the human rights vox THE HUMAN RIGHTS. Get real, if thats the worst thing he can say we did to him he must be treated damn good. And if this is the worst case of human rights violations you have ever seen, your not looking hard enough. Your not making anyone upset or fueling the "revolution" by posting this.

[American Kid]

Even me, D DAY? (now think about this........it's important......what's that word.........?....."credebility")

And vox is officially a parody of himself. He used to piss me off.

Like, really, really piss me off.

Now he's amusing. This is result of his repititiously, predictable, "dismissive", self-described "harsh" tactics, which have ultimately, over time, imploded and now serve him:

NADA.

So keep 'em coming, prick. I print them up now. They're funny. I show my friends.

Disregard my post in Chit Chat. You're officially dis-ignored.
-AK

[Hayduke]

American Kid, please go play with your new biddues in chit-chat, since the only real debate ability you have is, making sweet chain letters and little stories to make your fiction chracter look real.

You are not needed here and you cant even back up your own ideology.

[Hayduke]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 7:49 am on Sep. 17, 2002
Oh god forbid he's tied to a strecher. Oh the human rights vox THE HUMAN RIGHTS. Get real, if thats the worst thing he can say we did to him he must be treated damn good. And if this is the worst case of human rights violations you have ever seen, your not looking hard enough. Your not making anyone upset or fueling the "revolution" by posting this.


Tkinter, did you know The United States had another reason for attacking Iraq ? It seemed that Sadam held his prisoners in boxes, and they got fresh are for 30 minutes a day.

The Humang rights, The human rights Tkinter.

Accusing another country for something they do themselfes,
what a great country.

[American Kid]

My "fictional character".

This is awsome. So apparently my life (the PLETHORA you seem to know about it) is so amazing that I MUST be making it all up. I'm promoting some "character". This is..................peculiar. It's wierd, should I defend myself? Proclaim my genuosity? But then how do I do that? I don't know......More "stories" (proof?)? I don't get it. And why do you think I'm writing "myself" as some "fictional character?" And hey, brah, challenge me to my ideaology. I can't back it up :) Hillarious. You don't even know. You think I'm some idiot. Try me.

Open the floodgates.

-AK
(there's nothing sweet about my chain letters and you didn't answer my question, which is necessary)

(Edited by American Kid at 5:33 am on Sep. 18, 2002)

[American Kid]

".......and you didn't answer my question, which is necessary"

^^^^^^^^ that's a challenge to back YOUR ideaologies, btw. ie, "I see every man/woman on earth as something valuable." What am I some fuckin' exception? I'm serious, you'd better ask yourself that question. Your politics, they're not exactly mainstream. Making claims Bush knew about 9/11, that's not going to win you any friends. Especially in my country, where if you ever said that in a crowded room, you'd be leaving on crutches.

You seem to have "such a big heart" for all the world's people. You have the same warped ideals as my friend Peacceniked, who claims to care so much about people, too, but writes me off as a piece of shit because we disagree. vox as well.

Funny how you guys seem to be so progressive, how you seem to be so much for "human rights." Even funnier how you seem to "pick and choose" who deserves them.

Yeah, you're a dick to me. I never did anything to you. I guess I don't "deserve them."

Can't wait for the answer. As for mine, all you have to do is ask. If you'd done that to begin with, we could've just skipped all this shit, couldn't we?

-AK


(Edited by American Kid at 5:50 am on Sep. 18, 2002)

[Tkinter1]

"Tkinter, did you know The United States had another reason for attacking Iraq ? It seemed that Sadam held his prisoners in boxes, and they got fresh are for 30 minutes a day."

How do you compare being locked in a box with 30 minutes of fresh air, and shakled to a strecher? Are you kidding me? Realise thats the BIGGEST and WORST case of mal treatment they could find, otherwise they wouldn't have showed it. If he was in hancuffs and blind folded you would have nothing to say.

We treat our POW's well, and by well i mean better than 90% of the countrys out there.

Stop pretending like you really feel for him. Your not fooling anyone.

[Hayduke]

Tkinter, who are you kidding now ?

Being trapped in a box or being tied down naketh in a cold metal container are both horrible.

The United States are clearly hypocrites, attacking another country cause they violate the human rights but doing it themselfes at the same time.

And yes I feel sorry for him, anyone that is held captured in such way, is something to feel sorry for.

But I didnt suspect any feelings from a cold hearted cappie like yourself.

[Anonymous]

Wrap him in pigskin and shove pork fat down his throat.

- my dad's opinion

[Hayduke]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 12:19 pm on Sep. 19, 2002
Wrap him in pigskin and shove pork fat down his throat.

- my dad's opinion


Another good argument from Dark capitalist, smartness must run in the family, now doesnt it ?

(Edited by D DAY at 12:23 pm on Sep. 19, 2002)

[American Kid]

At least he gave an argument.

Still waiting...............
-AK

(I know, it's hard. Being called on)

[Tkinter1]

Again if thats the worst treatment he could possibly have recieved he got off lucky. I dont see any bruises cuts or abrasions or any sign of real tourture. He was RESTRAINED to a stretcher, Not shakled to a wall and beatan. I would rather be straped to a chair, then locked in a box wouldn't you? Or maybe not...just becuase the US did it.....

They keep you naked for reasons that you may not be aware of.

A. if your on suicide watch
B. So you can't conceal weapons


"And yes I feel sorry for him, anyone that is held captured in such way, is something to feel sorry for."

Your animosity towards the US is whats causing the 'pitty' you feel for him. Don't make a mole into a mountain. (saying?)

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 12:13 am on Sep. 20, 2002)


(Edited by Tkinter1 at 12:14 am on Sep. 20, 2002)

[Hayduke]

Tkinter1,

You say the reasons for keeping him naketh, his to be sure he has no weapons ? And our good U.S.A officers can't check this when his clothes are on ?

Ever tought the guy could get sick of the cold in that container, imagine youself naketh in a cold container restrained to a stretcher.

I feel sorry for this men and if cuba would do this to there prisoners, I would feel sorry for those guys as well.

But feeling sorry isnt your best emotion, is it cappie ?

[Guest]

Quote: from D DAY on 4:32 pm on Sep. 20, 2002
Tkinter1,

You say the reasons for keeping him naketh, his to be sure he has no weapons ? And our good U.S.A officers can't check this when his clothes are on ?

Ever tought the guy could get sick of the cold in that container, imagine youself naketh in a cold container restrained to a stretcher.

I feel sorry for this men and if cuba would do this to there prisoners, I would feel sorry for those guys as well.

But feeling sorry isnt your best emotion, is it cappie ?



Even if they did strip him down naked,you'd think they'd have the decency to give him some clothing.

Human rights violations onl apply to contries that are not the US.................at least thats their take on it.

pastradamus.

[American Kid]

D DAY you son of a *****.

FUCK IT. There are more diginified ways to carry yourself around here than nipping at someone's ankles for a response half the time.

So I'll consider my response GIVEN.

You made a wise choice in not engaging me. Ask anyone here,

I'll fuckin' end you.
-AK

[Guest]

Quote: from American Kid on 3:32 am on Sep. 21, 2002
D DAY you son of a *****.

FUCK IT. There are more diginified ways to carry yourself around here than nipping at someone's ankles for a response half the time.

So I'll consider my response GIVEN.

You made a wise choice in not engaging me. Ask anyone here,

I'll fuckin' end you.
-AK


I have no any idea what your on about.

[Hayduke]

Quote: from American Kid on 8:32 am on Sep. 21, 2002
D DAY you son of a *****.

FUCK IT. There are more diginified ways to carry yourself around here than nipping at someone's ankles for a response half the time.

So I'll consider my response GIVEN.

You made a wise choice in not engaging me. Ask anyone here,

I'll fuckin' end you.
-AK



AK,

I have send you a PM, since I dont think our little debate should influence my debate here.

[Tkinter1]

"You say the reasons for keeping him naketh, his to be sure he has no weapons ? And our good U.S.A officers can't check this when his clothes are on ?"

No they can't always be sure. The best way is to keep them to minimal clothing or naked. Its no uncommon for this to be done to US citizens as well. He isn't PERMANATLY
that poorly clothed.

"Ever tought the guy could get sick of the cold in that container, imagine youself naketh in a cold container restrained to a stretcher."

its a PRISON, not a cave or a dungeon. He isnt freezing or chained to walls and beatan. He has better conditions in the prison then he did in afghanistan.

Copied from http://www.intellectualconservative.com/page1010.html

"We are speaking of men being allowed three “religiously appropriate” meals per day, opportunities and means (a mat to lean on, a Koran) to practice and study their religion, tools with which to write, time and faculties with which they can exercise and shower, various necessary toiletries, a mat and a pillow on which they can sleep … it occurs to our more stable intellects, these are men ostensibly being treated no differently than your average American prisoner...."
Copied from http://www.intellectualconservative.com/page1010.html



"I feel sorry for this men and if cuba would do this to there prisoners, I would feel sorry for those guys as well."

Im glad to hear that


"But feeling sorry isnt your best emotion, is it cappie?"

Why should i feel sorry for him?



(Edited by Tkinter1 at 12:35 am on Sep. 22, 2002)

[kingbee]

this guy went to fight before 9/11 attacks for the taliban. when people say its treason, i dont think he had a choice. he went to join the islamic way of living, not to fight the americans, cos they werent even at war when he went over. its not as if, when he heard that they were at war he could say "right lads, sorry but i cant fight- its against my homeland"

[Tkinter1]

Kingbee

He joined an oppresive, murderous, dictatorial faction that ousted the true leaders of afghanistan and employed harsh, inhumane practices against the afhgan people. Him joining that group alone is a crime against humanity, let alone treason!

[Tkinter1]

"Human rights violations onl apply to contries that are not the US.................at least thats their take on it."

lol do really believe that?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Forget it, Tkinter, they just don't care that Mr. Lindh was all too willing to blow a US serviceman's brains out (his own countrymen mind you, as that is OK.

But when we restrain him naked, that is such a fucking atrocity! God forbid he doesn't have his blankie and a snicker bar.

Fucking idiots.

[vox]

According to CI's reasoning, the "good" guys should be allowed to behave in any abominable way they please, disregarding any sort of concern about such trivialities as "morality" and "ethics."

Indeed, it's a bizarre sort of logic in which one's behavior isn't determined by one's own conscience, but by the actions of another! Very strange indeed.

vox

[Anonymous]

He was just tied up and put in a box, how is that a violation of human rights?

[PunkRawker677]

Imagine the response if it was an american soldier in the place of that picture being held in ohhh lets say Iraq or even Afghanistan while ruled by the Taliban.

/ this is in regards to DC's latest statement.

[vox]

Punkrawker,

That he even has to ask shows that he won't be able to understand, I think.

vox

[Capitalist Imperial]

Actually, history shows that american POW's have been treated much worse than Mr. Lindh. That is, of course, before they are put to death or sent to a labor camp. Mr Lindh received 5-star accomodation compared to what US POW's suffer.

[John Difool]

"other people have done bad things . why can't we ?"

[PunkRawker677]

Just because american POWs have been treated worse, its okay to treat Lindh like that? Under that same mind-set, since the united states dropped atomic bombs on innocent japanese people, its perfectly okay for terrorists to run a plane into the twin towers. I mean, hey, at least it wasn't an atomic bomb.. lol.. it doesn't matter if worse has been done.

[vox]

Hey, where's SN? Shouldn't he be here hollering about the "moral relativism" of CI?

vox

[pastradamus]

Quote: from John Difool on 3:52 pm on Sep. 24, 2002
"other people have done bad things . why can't we ?"


Because its in the name of the US state,who think the're the police of the planet.

I believe the correct term is "state terrorism".
Which in my view is the worst kind.

[Tkinter1]

"Just because american POWs have been treated worse, its okay to treat Lindh like that?"

We didn't treat lindh like that

"Under that same mind-set, since the united states dropped atomic bombs on innocent japanese people"

someone had to end the war.....

"its perfectly okay for terrorists to run a plane into the twin towers. I mean, hey, at least it wasn't an atomic bomb.. lol.. it doesn't matter if worse has been done."

Yea i guess if you died that wouldnt be as bad as 2 people dying becuase 2 people are better than one... great logic deaushe bag
The fact that you have that mind set shows how truly idiotic you are.

lol it doesnt matter if worse has been done. as if everything becomes insignificant and irrelevant as worse is done. OMG lol

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 11:41 pm on Sep. 24, 2002)

[PunkRawker677]

Tinker, your an idiot. That post wasn't serious. I was mocking the idea that because one person does something bad, we can do it to (even if it is to a lesser degree).

And i very much believe that sacrificing one life to save two is not a horrible idea. I commend anyone who has(d) the courage to do that.

[vox]

Damn, did he really think you were proposing that? The right-wing is in worse shape than I thought.

vox

[Tkinter1]

yeah becuase its real easy to tell sarcasim through typed letters. And you never know whats gona come out of some of your mouths lol. But yeah im sorry i called you an idiot i misunderstood the post and now i feel like the deasuhe bag (;

can you ever forgive me??



(Edited by Tkinter1 at 1:21 am on Sep. 25, 2002)

[PunkRawker677]

I don't think i've ever argued with you before, so i guess its okay. You mis-read, no big deal. At least you now know what i really meant.