Fact we hate to be mentioned

[uth1984]

What is the facts about each other doctrines which you hate?

[American Kid]

It's ideals.
-AK (non-red)

[Field Marshal]

I dont' understand the question

[Marxboriqua]

I think he means, what are the ugly sides of your particular philosophy that is a necessary evil. Such as with communism you can't become rich and that capitalism is powered by greed.

[Anonymous]

Greed can be good. :smile:

[Stormin Norman]

I would need about 600 pages to fully address the question posed by uth1984. Since the question wasn't asked in a very coherent manner I will fail to address it here again. See most of my other posts for details.

[Anonymous]

Read Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis (http://www.econlib.org/library/Mises/msSContents.html) by Ludwig von Mises. I've only started reading it so far, but from what I can tell it's a very good book. I plan on getting an actual copy of it from Borders™ in the next couple of days.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 2:14 pm on Sep. 15, 2002)

[Lardlad95]

I agree with the docterine of Democratic Socialism that both capitalism and communism are wrong

Capitalism=economic inequality

Communism=political inequality

[Turnoviseous]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 4:59 am on Sep. 16, 2002
I agree with the docterine of Democratic Socialism that both capitalism and communism are wrong

Capitalism=economic inequality

Communism=political inequality

Excuse me, but how can a classless society have political inequality?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Turnoviseous on 2:06 am on Sep. 18, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 4:59 am on Sep. 16, 2002
I agree with the docterine of Democratic Socialism that both capitalism and communism are wrong

Capitalism=economic inequality

Communism=political inequality

Excuse me, but how can a classless society have political inequality?


Do you seriously think that Stalin lived the same as the laborers?

Bullshit since there is only one political party that assumes power another class arises

[canikickit]

Do you seriously think that Stalin lived the same as the laborers?

Bullshit since there is only one political party that assumes power another class arises

You are right, but in the idealistic and definitive version of communism (as opposed to Communism) there would be no inequality.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 8:17 pm on Sep. 17, 2002

Do you seriously think that Stalin lived the same as the laborers?

Bullshit since there is only one political party that assumes power another class arises

Of course not. That's why Stalin is a FASCIST, not a communist.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 3:46 am on Sep. 18, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 8:17 pm on Sep. 17, 2002

Do you seriously think that Stalin lived the same as the laborers?

Bullshit since there is only one political party that assumes power another class arises

Of course not. That's why Stalin is a FASCIST, not a communist.


The "Faciast" Party was Started by Mussoliny who was in fact anti communist.

Faciasm deals more with Capitalism than communism.

Stalin was Totalitarian yet his form of government was still based off of communism.


Even without Stalin there was still political inequality

[Brian]

Facism is not Capitalism you idiot, Facsim is English Guld Socialism.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Brian on 4:05 am on Sep. 18, 2002
Facism is not Capitalism you idiot, Facsim is English Guld Socialism.


You misinterpret what I said and I'm the idiot?

Brain, I said it had more to do with Capitalism than Communism, thats not the same as saying it is capitalism.

God whats wrong with you, there been a little something developed called context clues I suggest you pick up a copy of everyhing my Second Grader needs to KNow and figure out how to use it.



Mussolini, a facist, kept private property and made life easier for the middle and high class by allowing private property to continue in a blatant anti communist manuver.

The first facists were anti communists. read alittle on mussolini.

[Michael De Panama]

Fascism and Stalinism are both mutated evolutions of Bolshevism. Mussolini and Stalin both studied Marx, despite the fact that they both ignored the idea of social equality. Mussolini's party was actually called the "Italian Socialist Party" up until he came into power and renamed it to the "Fascist Party". And even after forming the party and after executing and jailing so many open Marxists in Italy, he still stated that he views Marx as like a father to him. Of course, these two fools didn't hold true to any Marxist principle. Instead, they developed systems that were the complete anti-thesis to communism. Hitler, too, was more influenced by the communist movements than anything else. The simple, sad, and pitifull truth is that Stalin was the only man who was too cowardly to openly admit that his system of government was no longer communist, but fascist.

Fascism holds true just as much to communism as Stalinism does. Both theories advocate a one party dictatorship which is then overlooked by a supreme dictator who is portrayed in a very rediculously heroic fashion, and a collectivist economy. Essentially, fascism is socialism without democracy.

[Michael De Panama]

Stalin also kept private property. But in the same fashion as Mussolini and Hitler. He openly took away the property rights to the lower class and concentrated this power to the upper class. Stalin himself owned Russia, essentially, just as Mussolini owned Italy. Stalin never did away with private property. Instead, he had the government regulating private property in the favor of the "communist" Soviet neo-bourgeoisie.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 4:18 am on Sep. 18, 2002
Stalin also kept private property. But in the same fashion as Mussolini and Hitler. He openly took away the property rights to the lower class and concentrated this power to the upper class. Stalin himself owned Russia, essentially, just as Mussolini owned Italy. Stalin never did away with private property. Instead, he had the government regulating private property in the favor of the "communist" Soviet neo-bourgeoisie.

Yes but Stalin also played all this down

Mussolini was blatant about his actions.

Also Stalin partially did away with Private Property

Mussolini did not take it away form teh upper classes at all.

Besides while Mussolini was influenced by Marx hardly any of his actions were direct Marxist influences.

Stalin's actions were direct curruptions of Marxist ideaology

Mussolini while Marxist influenced his actions weren't.

There is a difference between Stalinism and Facism.

Stalinism is basicaly Communism as in the Government owned most all the land and factories however the problem was Stalin was the government so in reality he owned everything.

Mussolini on the other hand allowed others to control what they wished aslong as no one challenged his authority