Similarities between Fascism and Communism - Boy, are they s

[MaxB]

Communism - 1: a theory advocating the elimination of private property b: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed 2 cap : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian-Leninism that is the official idealogy of the USSR b: a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state owned means of production with the professed aim of establishing a stateless society c: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and goods are distributed equitably.

Fascism - 1: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and race above the individual and stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.

Nazi - 1 cap: a member of the German Fascist party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler 2 often cap: one held to resemble a German Nazi.

Nazism -the body of political and economic doctrines held and put into effect by the National Socialist German Workers Party in the Third Reich including the totalitarian principle of government, **state control of all industry,** predominance of groups assumed to be racially superior, and supremacy of the fuhrer

Socialism - 3. a transitional stage of society between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.

The similarities between fascism and other forms of leftist governments (as stated) are:

Totalitarian government
State control of production
Limited personal freedom
The exaltation of the state over the individual
supremacy of a single entity as leader (fuhrer or party)

unstated similarities:

Professed longevity (1000 yr Reich vs stateless society)

Similarities in practice are

slave labor (poles/gypsys/jews and prisoners/gypsys/jews)
suspension of personal property
widespread use of state sponsored propaganda
subjugation/elimination of religion
deficit spending
use of large public works projects for job creation

[Xvall]

No.

You are comparing the USSR to Nazism. You obviously got your definition of communism from an American dictionary.

1: a theory advocating the elimination of private property

Overrated. This mainly refers to things like land; which people should share, since no one has a right to just CLAIM part of earth.

I shall quote the manifesto - [b]" We communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally aquiring property as the fruit of a man's own labor, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity and independence. Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of the petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceeded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that;

b: a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state owned means of production with the professed aim of establishing a stateless society

In true communism (As your definition later stated) the state is to have withered away; until that happens, I do not consider it communist. These dictionaries are confusing; they are giving us contradictory definitions! On one hand, they claim communism is a totalitarian system with state control. Then they tell us the state withers away, and goods are distributed equally. What with that?

Totalitarian government
State control of production
Limited personal freedom
The exaltation of the state over the individual
supremacy of a single entity as leader (fuhrer or party)

You stated these as attributes of a leftist government? What kind of leftists do you associate with? I'm sure 9 out of 10 leftists here will tell you that they disagree with every one of those things you've listed. I'm sure Marx would say the same thing as well.

(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 4:31 pm on Sep. 14, 2002)


(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 4:33 pm on Sep. 14, 2002)

[libereco]

"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini. (from Encyclopedia Italiana, Giovanni Gentile, editor)

[Frosty]

maxB: wtf is going on in your head? What do you seek to achieve by quoting a dictionary, then pointing out what you see as similarities (at least you've written something by yourself)?
And why can't you understand that there is some HUGE differences between communism ans stalinism?

[Guest]

Stalinism is communism.

[pastradamus]

shut up thine stalin!