The New Theory of Vinculism.

[originalvinculist]

Simple short version. (extended below)
Vinculism is like a utopian stalinist mix (minus the capitalism) Its basic ideas are. Peace is the ultimate goal, violence will not be tollerated, and that things that are bad for you are bad for everyone.

[originalvinculist]

Extended.
Viniculism is based on the laws of nature and natural law (human rights.)
The most important piece of vinculism is peace, It must be upheld at all times. The next is spirit, freedom of religion, thought and press. The third most important thing is love, equality, self image, and the condition of your body.
You may be asking where is the stalinism? That is the killing of anybody who breaks these laws (after fair trial) People who would be killed include, anarchists, drug dealers and emos.
Murderers are to be killec the way the killed their victim and as much as I hate to include it retards get leathal injection.
There is a two child policy (possibly one child.) I'll post more if people are interested.

[originalvinculist]

What do you think so far?

[Niccolò Rossi]

What do you think so far?

I think you should go read Marx and actually learn something instead of inventing and prefiguring your own little fairy tale perfect world and ideologies.

You ought to lift your game or you'll make yourself alot of enemies around here.

[originalvinculist]

I think you should go read Marx and actually learn something instead of inventing and prefiguring your own little fairy tale perfect world and ideologies.

You ought to lift your game or you'll make yourself alot of enemies around here.

I have, lets not make wild assumptions hmm?
And am I not in the theory section? this is that a theory... Well more like a hypothesis. anway.
And the only succesfull communist have been ones who have bent communism into what they wanted it to be, marx, xao, ect.
anyways yes this is my idea of a better world, not a perect world.

[originalvinculist]

:) And two things whats the last thing you've done for the communist cause? Donated any money to those less fortunate? bought local produce? Don't ***** at me.
Secondly you ever thought that its douch bags like you that give us a bad name?

[Led Zeppelin]

Please stop flaming, and please don't make a habit of posting several times in sequence when you can just as well edit your previous post.

[apathy maybe]

When I was like 12 to 14 I used to design the perfect system of society, with a perfect system of government (three houses of parliament!) and so on.

Then I got older. I thought about redesigning the system that I lived in, making it fairer, more equatable and so on. One world state perhaps?

Then I got older and became an anarchist. I realized that you can't design utopia, you can't blueprint the perfect world. You shouldn't force people to not do things, if they aren't hurting anyone else.

I also realized that religion is a major problem in the world today, and the cause of much suffering, now and in the past.

I've studied history, and if there is one thing that keeps coming up, again and again, is that power corrupts, and that no one can be trusted with it. Neither "socialism" nor "capitalism", neither "liberal democracy" nor "democratic centralism". We don't need, and I don't want, someone else to tell me what to do, and then threaten me with violence or death if I don't do what they tell me.

I will not obey. I will not follow.




That is the killing of anybody who breaks these laws (after fair trial) People who would be killed include, anarchists, drug dealers and emos.
You first say that violence is not tolerated, and then you say that people who kill will be killed. Right...
Anarchists? Why do anarchists get special mention?
Drug dealers? You mean people who sell alcohol don't you... Besides, what is wrong with using drugs?
Emos? Now you are just being fucking stupid. And this is where I start to suspect either trolling or shear ignorance (which probably means youth). How do emos break the "laws" you've outlined?


Murderers are to be killec the way the killed their victim and as much as I hate to include it retards get leathal injection.
So, once more you show that you aren't really against violence. Especially as you are talking about killing murders in the same fashion as they kill their victims. What about mass murders? Do you bring them back to life and kill them again, once or every victim?
And why do "retards" need to be killed? Is that a bit psychopathic?

There is a two child policy (possibly one child.) I'll post more if people are interested.
What if someone ones no children, or three children? What if they have more then two children, what do you do with them?
Why do you need to have a policy on the amount of children people have anyway? (Reminds me of a story where the government tried to make there be no children. Needless to say, they failed.)


things that are bad for you are bad for everyone.
Ooh, I missed this first time through. Things that are bad for me? You mean like living in a city where cars produce so much smog that I get asthma? Maybe I do like your system, you are going to outlaw pollution! Outlaw cars, outlaw all drugs, outlaw killing oneself, outlaw too much sugar or fat in food, fuck you want to outlaw so many things, maybe I don't want to live in your system...
I now understand what you have against emos! They cut themselves, and that is directly affecting everybody! Wow.


OK, here is my advice, read me post, now read it again. And again. Go away and think about it, come back, read it again.
Now think about whether you are going to be in command in this "better" society. I'll give you a hint, no you won't be. Now, do you like lollies and sweets? Do you like bacon? Do you like riding your bike without a helmet?
Now, in your better system, all these things will either be outlawed, or else severely curtailed.

OK, now, think about that some more. Do you still want the system you have outlined?

OK, what about everyone else, do you think that they would accept the system you have outlined?

Yeah, I suggest reading up on anarchism, it is much the more mature option.

[Plagueround]

Simple short version. (extended below)
Vinculism is like a utopian stalinist mix (minus the capitalism) Its basic ideas are. Peace is the ultimate goal, violence will not be tollerated, and that things that are bad for you are bad for everyone.

I saw that movie. It's called Demolition Man.

Seriously. Go do some reading.

[Dimentio]

Extended.
Viniculism is based on the laws of nature and natural law (human rights.)
The most important piece of vinculism is peace, It must be upheld at all times. The next is spirit, freedom of religion, thought and press. The third most important thing is love, equality, self image, and the condition of your body.
You may be asking where is the stalinism? That is the killing of anybody who breaks these laws (after fair trial) People who would be killed include, anarchists, drug dealers and emos.
Murderers are to be killec the way the killed their victim and as much as I hate to include it retards get leathal injection.
There is a two child policy (possibly one child.) I'll post more if people are interested.

It is terribly idealist and actually more based on liberal humanism than any form of socialism.

[originalvinculist]

I've studied history, and if there is one thing that keeps coming up, again and again, is that power corrupts, and that no one can be trusted with it. Neither "socialism" nor "capitalism", neither "liberal democracy" nor "democratic centralism". We don't need, and I don't want, someone else to tell me what to do, and then threaten me with violence or death if I don't do what they tell me.

well it is a free system if that make you happy. There is no central power there is a government, but it doesn't make decisions it would be a group of informed, smart people who would think about how to improve the system, then they would tell the people about their ideas and if they thought it was a good idea the people would vote on it and determine if it does or doesn't become law/rule code/ect.

and why do "retards" need to be killed? Is that a bit psychopathic?

We don't need to waste the money and food bringing up retards.

So, once more you show that you aren't really against violence. Especially as you are talking about killing murders in the same fashion as they kill their victims. What about mass murders? Do you bring them back to life and kill them again, once or every victim?

no they get tortured, then killed.

What if someone ones no children, or three children? What if they have more then two children, what do you do with them?
Why do you need to have a policy on the amount of children people have anyway?
food.
The more people there are in the world the less food you get.

[originalvinculist]

please explain this statement "Yeah, I suggest reading up on anarchism, it is much the more mature option."
Do you have any examples of anarchism doing anything but damaging people?
Do you think an anarchist movement would be well accepted?
what events do you base your claim of anarchism being a much more mature thing to do on?

[Post-Something]

Is this for real!? You best be a troll.

I don't even know where to start...

Just for your sake, we have more than enough food in the world, and communism would mean a super abundance of resources.

Anyway...um, have you read any political theory, or even...I don't know,...books?

I could show you where you're wrong, but to be honest, you have just messed up so much, I think it would be better if we just told you to go and read the communist manifesto then come back.

[Dean]

Simple short version. (extended below)
Vinculism is like a utopian stalinist mix (minus the capitalism) Its basic ideas are. Peace is the ultimate goal, violence will not be tollerated, and that things that are bad for you are bad for everyone.

sounds like our friend is really a capitalist:

[t]he formula, however, contains a profound truth if applied in a somewhat different sense: the transformation of one form of private property – conditional – into another form of private property – absolute – within the landowning nobility was the indispensable preparation for the advent of capitalism and signified the moment at which Europe left behind all other agrarian systems. In the long transitional epoch in which land remained quantitatively the predominant source of wealth across the continent, the consolidation of an unrestricted and hereditary private property in it was a fundamental step towards the release of the necessary factors of production for the accumulation of capital proper. The very ‘vinculism’ which the European aristocracy displayed in the early modern age was already evidence of the objective pressures towards a free market in land that was ultimately to generate a capitalist agriculture.

www.prres.net/Papers/Sheehan_Towards_a_definition_of_property_rights.pd f

[rouchambeau]

You all just got trolled.