Mazdak here - i am here.

[Guest]

*rolls out red carpet* Thats right i am here.

Now it is time to look back at my time here and point out why Malte is a piece of shit poser/hypocrite

Exhibit A
Malte does not like me. So he makes a claim that i am a nazi. I ask him to support this claim. He still hasnt done so. Good job you fucking piece of shit.

Exhibit B
Malte claims to be liberal and tolerant yet this piece of shit changes the rules on the forum to suit himself contsantly. He claim MIM is bad, but he bans everyone except the most extreme liberals and pacifists. Maost 3 and cassius clay, my heart goes out to you, you will most likely be banned soon too.

My immaturaty/anti human rights stance
My belief in the death penalty and labor camps? The fact that i think the revolution should be put before family.

I say prostitution should be banned. Malte says i am a silly little kid. Hey malte, you piece of shit, you are a genius, it must have taken so long to come up with so thourough an argument.

He has banned all the stalinist and yet netboy preston can keep up the bullshit while vodun a cappie, posts in every section.Keep up the good work, malte, you fucking asshole goatlover.

Now i see why Marxiist1848 warned me about malte. He bans people he doesnt like personally, and expects everyone to think he is some kinda fucking hero.

I do not argue? I am asilly little kid? You are the sillly one, you worship Che who had people executed yet you are against killing. You banned lenin after he provided logical arguments and the same with all stalinists. your are fucking unbelievable.

Oh yes, and you support this asshole canikickit who already said he doesnt care about politics, only cannabis and music. That just shows you.

Too finish this flame, i wish o say ido not regret anything i have said here, and challenge malte to find a single post in which i "reveal" myself to be a nazi.

I stand behind what i have said 100% and from now on, i am sticking to the phora, where at least people are willing to hear other opinions.

[Guest]

Oh, and i also would like to point out before this ip is blocked by malte, that i never broke any forum rules.

Nothing racist, nothing nazi. Nothing cappie.

Thank you

[new democracy]

did malte ban mazadak or this is just someone that do to mazadak the same thing i did to ts? the Guest is not me!!!!!!

[new democracy]

i checked mazadak posts. he still have comandate under his name. this is a fucking fake.

[Guest]

It isnt ND. He banned my IP. He did the same thing to Lenin a while ago.I am using a different computer.

[new democracy]

malte ban you? from some reason it make me sorry, but i still hate stalinism.

[Edelweiss]

yes, I locked you out for some days, I needed a break of your anoying fascisty posts.
Little Mazdak, find some friends and grow up! Stop playing the evil stalinist here, and play your pubertal games with your parents, but please not with us.

[Guest]

lmao? I am not playing games with you malte. But obviously none of you take opinions that differ from your own seriously.

Facist? That is what you call everyone who you dont like.

How many times must i say it, i am behind what i say. There are many younger people on the board who no one has problems with.

And I'm sorry malte, but no matter how hard you try to make reason, there is no reason for legalization of any drugs(unless for medicinal purposes). How is execution immature? Maybe instead of pointless criticism, you could try to give an ACTUAL REASON why you are right.

[Nateddi]

how is his Ip banned if he still posts?

mazdak was not a very favorable person IMO, but i disagree with malte's ban

[Edelweiss]

Quote: from Guest on 7:19 pm on Sep. 8, 2002
lmao? I am not playing games with you malte. But obviously none of you take opinions that differ from your own seriously.

Facist? That is what you call everyone who you dont like.

How many times must i say it, i am behind what i say. There are many younger people on the board who no one has problems with.

And I'm sorry malte, but no matter how hard you try to make reason, there is no reason for legalization of any drugs(unless for medicinal purposes). How is execution immature? Maybe instead of pointless criticism, you could try to give an ACTUAL REASON why you are right.

You are advocating fascism all the time! Not a fascism as Marx interpreted it, but you are in favor of a totalitarian state where everyone gets executed who disagrees with the government. That is what you could call a fascist state.

[Edelweiss]

He never was banned, it's as I said, I just locked him out of here for some time to have at least a few days without Mazdak's stupidity here. It was more an emotional decision after I read his posts where he said that all prostitutes should be executed...

[Hayduke]

Let me give it a try to explain.

" Were not so jolly, about young people, that have nothing better to do then supporting millions of death. "

[munkey soup]

And yet you let Netboy Preston get away with his bullshit. Sounds a bit hypocritical to me. But thats just my opinion.

[Edelweiss]

Quote: from D DAY on 7:39 pm on Sep. 8, 2002
Let me give it a try to explain.

" Were not so jolly, about young people, that have nothing better to do then supporting millions of death. "




I was pretty busy within the last couple of days. NP's porn posts have been deleted and he's now restricted to SvsC. If he'll continue his spamming he'll be banned.

[new democracy]

malte, i understand(a little too late) that this is a private forum not a country. if you ban him for being for authoritian, this is bullshit. boadicea88 supported him 100 percent(by her own words) and she doesn't get ban(and don't deserve it). Nateddi is pretty authoritian(he support castro almost 99 percent) and he doesn't get banand (and don't deserve it). even if i completely disagree with his ideas i still don't think he should be ban. you know how much people you should ban for being authoritian? if you ban every authoritian member here, the forum will become a desert. it will be like this: nd(hopefully that you didn't ban): stalin suck.
de panama: agree
malte: agree. i wish i could ban more authoritian.
mazdak is what make this forum so fun. come on, let him back. another thing: members that have been ban can send e-mail to a member here that like them, and he will say what they think.

[Edelweiss]

Again, Mazdak hasn't been banned.

[Hayduke]

New Democracy,

Please think before you write.

(Edited by D DAY at 1:56 am on Sep. 9, 2002)

[Mazdak]

I just manaed to access tonight. I do not see how blocking my ip is not nbanning. You did the same to Lenin. Everyone considers him banned.

And i never said everyone who disagrees, but those who carry outcrimes. If they break the law, they get two choices, labor camp or execution. This depends on the severity of the crime.

It would work, because
1. Civilian population would notbe allowed to carry guns or any weapon that is not an eating utensel.
2. The goverment no matter how authoritarian, is still leftist and its goal is to achieve the greater good. And how many times do i have to say it, it isnt the nhumber of people that die, but why they die and how much this will impact the future of the human race.

[Nateddi]

lenin's ip MUST be unbanned, he needs to be back on this board.

[boadicea88]

Quote: from Malte on 11:35 am on Sep. 8, 2002
It was more an emotional decision after I read his posts where he said that all prostitutes should be executed...


Do you fear for your life? Or your *friends* lif(es)? Hmmm.

I hate to seem stupid...but what is "IP blocking" or whatever it's called? I'm computer illiterate, you see...

[Nateddi]

it means the account isn't techincally banned (it doesnt say "banned" under your title),

however your IP (the address that your computer has assigned by the internet service provider), the IP is blocked from visiting the forums, so when you visit you simply see a white screen.

[Mazdak]

Malte, emotions should not get in the way of important desicions. That was my point. Important desicions(in this case moderating the board) should not have anything to do with it. It should simply be for the reasons stated in the contract for signing up that one should be banned.

[new democracy]

mazadk!!! your back!!!! after malte ban you i start thinking that maybe, in a twisted way, you do want a positive change, and think stalinism is a positive change. well i don't think that stalinism is a positive change, but from this thread i am starting to think your intentions are good. considering the fact that you said here that you don't going to execute me for disagreeing with you, you seem alot more nicer. i didn't realize how much i need you. welcome back.

[new democracy]

and you know mazadak, your voice will always be heard in the moskitto forum( http://www.fightcapitalism.net/users/moski...forum/index.php (http://www.fightcapitalism.net/users/moskitto/forum/index.php) ).

[boadicea88]

Wow that was a quick mental U-turn, ND, heheheh. ;)

Thanks for explaining that, Nateddi.

[new democracy]

now mazadak, do you see stalinism as a way to utopia? if you realy do than even if you are completely wrong i appreciate that to a certain level.

[canikickit]

Mazdak, you are a living joke.

[Mazdak]

??? ND are you on drugs. I never said i was anti stalinist. I have not changed at all. Where did this come through your head. I simply repeated what i have been saying this whole time.

Stalinism is the way to utopia. Communism isnt an overnight process. I support stalins authoritarianism. He did what was necessary to turn a backwards nation into a superpower.

I am not nationalist in any way, that is one difference, and i am not anti homosexuality. Other than that, i am an average stalinist.

[Anonymous]

wrong thread!



(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 8:26 am on Sep. 9, 2002)

[vox]

"Stalinism is the way to utopia."

Was it "utopia" when you couldn't post here? Were you happy that the "greater good" had been served? For, in your Stalinist fantasies, the "greater good" is decided not by the people, but by the Party, in which the people have no say.

As a Stalinist, how can you argue against Malte (the Party) unilaterally bannning you for the "greater good?" I would think that, on a philosophical level, you would appreciate such an action.

Are you a raging hypocrite or just amazingly stupid, Mazdak?

vox

[canikickit]

Are you a raging hypocrite or just amazingly stupid, Mazdak?

A little from column A, a little from column B.

[new democracy]

Quote: from Mazdak on 2:42 am on Sep. 9, 2002
??? ND are you on drugs. I never said i was anti stalinist. I have not changed at all. Where did this come through your head. I simply repeated what i have been saying this whole time.

Stalinism is the way to utopia. Communism isnt an overnight process. I support stalins authoritarianism. He did what was necessary to turn a backwards nation into a superpower.

I am not nationalist in any way, that is one difference, and i am not anti homosexuality. Other than that, i am an average stalinist.


where did i say you are an anti stalinist? maybe the reason that i like you more than other stalinists is because you are more moderate. now when i write the posts that you are not so bad, i did took a little beer. i was not drunk but i did took a little beer. when i wrote this i probably forgot that you: want to kill every prostitute(i don't support prostitution but i don't think they should be killed), that you wouldn't care to kill your entire family for the revolution, that you will kill every religious guy(i am not religious but killing someone for his belief is wrong), and that you are completely crazy. i wonder if you truly support stalinism or just come here for fun and driving malte crazy. and maybe that's what make you funny.

[Chasovoy]

Will Mazdak be able to return someday?

[Chasovoy]

I apologize!
I didn't see that there were multiple pages in this post.So just ignore me!

[new democracy]

anyway, what i tried to say in my posts here that STALINISTS aren't bad as STALIN. sure mazadak is a little crazy, but maybe he think that stalinism is the way to utopia. i don't agree with stalinism or mazadak, but i now i knid of respect him more. or maybe mazadak is just little kid who want to drive malte nuts.

[Michael De Panama]

Um...you know it's not an amazing accomplishment when you're "not as bad as Stalin". Nothing to give someone a slap on the ass about.

[new democracy]

i know, but maybe in a twisted way(which i not support at all) they see stalinism as the way to utopia. or maybe their just little child's who like to make us, "extreme liberals", mad and don't realy support their totalitarianism.

[canikickit]

Mazdak is a little kid who is trying to piss people off.

[Hayduke]

Quote: from canikickit on 12:25 am on Sep. 10, 2002
Mazdak is a little kid who is trying to piss people off.

Copy that, listen new democracy, like I said before
" think before you write '

[new democracy]

real funny. idiot. did you read this? i said that there is an option that he is just a stupid child.

Quote: from new democracy on 5:31 pm on Sep. 9, 2002
i know, but maybe in a twisted way(which i not support at all) they see stalinism as the way to utopia. or maybe their just little child's who like to make us, "extreme liberals", mad and don't realy support their totalitarianism.

[Mazdak]

Vox, as usual you dont see a difference. Malte's political views are that of a liberal(or so he says). Mine are not. Him banning me doesnt mean anything, since i have not done anything wrong and i have abided by the rules. The fact that he claims to be liberal and bans people who disagree with him is utter hypocrisy.

And he banned me without reason. Stalinists kill FOR A REASON. Why hasnt that occurred to any of you. I already said i am against American Imperialism, but pro soviet imperialism.

And canikickit, youre trying to insult me is nothing. As i have said, you dont care about politics so shut up and stick to chit chat and stop talking shit.

[new democracy]

why does malte baned mazadak(even if it was for a short time), while hawarameen is still here even after his racist attacks against turks.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from new democracy on 10:53 pm on Sep. 9, 2002
why does malte baned mazadak(even if it was for a short time), while hawarameen is still here even after his racist attacks against turks.

Of the two i hate Mazdak less

[guerrillaradio]

Y'know wot, Mazdak's illiterate bullshit gets in the way of proper debate in this forum. So yeah, I can see why Malte would want a break from him...

[Mazdak]

???

Explain yourself GR. I didnt see what hawarameen said.
illiterate? Proper debate meaning what? All of you patting each other on the backm, agreeing on everything. Mastrubation of the mind?

[boadicea88]

Quote: from Mazdak on 4:11 pm on Sep. 9, 2002
???

Explain yourself GR. [...]

illiterate?

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. WTF, GR?

[canikickit]

Mazdak.

You are spit on the pavement.
You are chewing gum on the bottom of my shoe.
You are a foolish, attention seeking child.
You are an idiot.

The stupidest thing about you is the fact that you keep returning to this (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=13&topic=291&start=70).
I actually find it difficult to understand. Do you really think I only care about those things? Would I have started any of these posts if I did:
Prostitution (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=928)
Likes about the US (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=930)
Info on Che (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=10&topic=170)

Would you have some consideration for the fact that people do not always have to be serious, and sometimes might make statements which are deliberately untrue in order to prove a point?


I don't care about moths, potatoes, bulls, chickens, roaches, Mazdaks, American Kids, canikickits, families, spanish people, communism, Che Guevara, or Man Utd. all I care about is music and cannabis, ha, ha, ha.

You see Mazdak in this instance I was growing tired of you seemingly endless bullshit and was attempting to throw some humour into the situation. Just take the time to read the above. Read it again, go ahead. Do you think I do not care about myself? Do you think I do not care about potatoes? I believe elsewhere in the same post I said I eat potatoes on a regular basis (which I do). I believe I've already shown I care about Che with one of the above links. You really will never learn, and I don't know why I bother.

I don't blame Malte for banning you temporarily. So much of the stuff you post is pointless garbage, you are embarrassing both this board and yourself.
Don't get up on your high horse and start accusing me of talking shit. You put me on your death list and you said I would be the first to sell out(at the time this seemed to be based on my not sharing a passonite-to-the-point-of-obsession dislike for bullfighting).

Grow up, stop acting like a baby.

[Mazdak]

Oh boy..... how am i to assume you were attempting humor? It was a relatively serious discussion. There was no indication except hahaha which didnt have to mean anything.

Grow up? baby? Once again, you asshole, you bring my age into the matter. must i stress once again that most of the people here are around the same age anyway. Not all of us are philosophers and geniuses like you canikickit(sarcasm intended). your sole argument against me is that i am younger then you.

A foolish attention seeking child? Or try, a person with real political views and a sense of the way people truly are.

[canikickit]

When I say "grow up", obviously I do not intend for you to age 5 years in a matter of moments. I mean act your age. You sure as hell don't act like a fifteen year old. I Bow 4 Che comes across as decades older than you. Its not about age its about wisdom and maturity.

You can claim all you want that these are your actual, real views but I will never believe it. Unless I met you and you were like that, in which case you'd probably have the intelligence not to fuck with me.
Keep living in your dream world in cyberspace, Lawnmower Man.

Usually "hahaha" is a sign of humour.
My sole argument? Please do not post lies and bullshit. There is clear evidence two posts above this one that I had more than one argument. As I have already pointed out its not your age.
I have had intelligent discussions with Lardlad, and he's younger than you.

[Mazdak]

You think that all 15 year olds are going to be ultra liberal, and if they arent, they are only posing. Have i ever faltered. No. You could meet me tomorrow and i would tell you straight to your face. It is simple. Why should human life be that important to you? I still dont see it. I want to better everyone's lives, but i want it done realistically. And iof you do it realisticall,y there will be a cost. If it were up to you people could do whatever they wanted.

???? I still dont get you. Maybe i appear immature because my views are different fro yours and you are an arrogant piece of shit who thinks he's worth more then food he eats. All you are doing now is flaming. telling me i am stupid and not giving me reason why.

I belive prostitutes shoudl be executed. The problem will never be eliminated, but at least it would drop dramatically.

Lets take Vlad the Impaler's system.
You did the slightest thing wrong, and you would be impaled or executed in other horrific ways. He placed a cup made of gold in the town square. It was never stolen. No one even attempted to steal it.(it was left unprotected.) If people are afraid(and disarmed), they cant cause problems. then you can go along and change the system without worrying about ignorant people protesting and posing a threat.

I do not see that as ignorant logic. Sure impaling people for the slightest thing is wrong,(imaplement is wrong altogether). But executing people for being prostitutes or worse yet, pimps, is fine. Tell me how that is a bad idea. Or are you a stupid hippie whose idea of perfection is "freelove" and such shit.

[boadicea88]

IB4C does not come off as older than Mazdak, she comes off older than she is, but not decades older. Mazdak acts *decades* more mature than many of the people on this site, myself included (big surprise there, eh).

Yes, 'ha ha ha' is usually a sign of humour; but in this particular case, it does not appear that way. It looks more like you're laughing because you think what you said was funny, not because it was intended to be humourous.

" You can claim all you want that these are your actual, real views but I will never believe it."

Why not? Is it inconcievable to you that people might just might have a view that differs from yours? If so, this may be news to you: not everyone thinks like you do (thankfully).

So much of the stuff you post is pointless garbage, and you are embarassing both this board and yourself."

Hmmmm...mirror mirror....
Isn't Mazdak the only one who can tell Mazdak that he's embarrassing himself.
<sarcasm> BTW, that was such a sweet, nice little poem. You should have it published.</sarcasm>
Grow up.

[man in the red suit]

let me try to sort this out for myself and anyone else who really gives a shit. I will make this into a Mazdak vs. Malte type thing.



Mazdak is a little weird with his stalinistic views such as putting the revolution before his family.

Malte does, on the other hand, use the term "fascist" rather excessively, for anyone he doesn't like

Mazdak has opened meaningful topics like the "retardation" thread as well as his share of not so important one.

Malte is a little hard on anyone who he finds "different"

Mazdak has a reputation of being rather silly and is not always understood correctly

Malte has no interest in understanding Mazdak correctly

Mazdak suppots some rather stupid people on this site like Lenin( the member not the person) and some others who's names are not worth mentioning.

Malte has banned many of these members without a nescesarily, worthy reason of doing so.

Mazdak is correct when he says that some of the stalinists have logical arguments

Malte is correct when he states that most Stalinists are just wackos trying to get attention.

Mazdak is probably trying to get attention.

But is that so bad?

can he not be helped?

You all helped me. You have to admit, I've been pretty good lately.

I know you can help Mazdak. He is no different from me asides from the whole stalinism and killing thing.



(Edited by man in the red suit at 2:20 am on Sep. 10, 2002)

[canikickit]

Is it inconcievable to you that people might just might have a view that differs from yours? If so, this may be news to you: not everyone thinks like you do (thankfully).

I know a lot of people who do think differently to me. I was talking about Mazdak here. I think he has created a fake cyberspace persona.

Fuck it, there is no point in trying to communicate with either Mazdak or boadicea88 I have more respect for Storin Norman than both of you put together. I'm sick of hearing from the two of you.

[Mazdak]

Oh my god, must i repeat myself. I am not looking for attention, i am looking for debate. But Canikickit doesnt understand that. Becuase he is a douche bag.

My god, if i wnated attention i would be a nazi or something. Must i swear on my life that i am sincere?
My god. This is unbelievable. And GR, maybe you could tell me what you meant by what you said.

Lol fake cyberspace persona?? Oh boy, Marxist1848 could tell yopu differently... if he were here. Since he knows me in person i always talk about my views. I do not create personas. And i would rather be dead then be like you canikickit, any day of the week.

[boadicea88]

Is it inconcievable to you that people might just might have a view that differs from yours? If so, this may be news to you: not everyone thinks like you do (thankfully).
_________________________________

I know a lot of people who do think differently to me. I was talking about Mazdak here. I think he has created a fake cyberspace persona.

Well, obviously Mazdak and I think differently than you, and if he's created a 'fake cyberspace presona', he's got a superhuman memory for his beliefs. I don't see him changing them much...



Fuck it, there is no point in trying to communicate with either Mazdak or boadicea88 I have more respect for Storin Norman than both of you put together. I'm sick of hearing from the two of you.


The same to you with knobs on.

(Edited by boadicea88 at 8:46 pm on Sep. 9, 2002)


(Edited by boadicea88 at 8:47 pm on Sep. 9, 2002)


(Edited by boadicea88 at 8:48 pm on Sep. 9, 2002)

[boadicea88]

Ahah. 3 tries and I got it. More or less.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Mazdak on 12:11 am on Sep. 10, 2002
???

Explain yourself GR...illiterate? Proper debate meaning what? All of you patting each other on the backm, agreeing on everything. Mastrubation of the mind?


I think I explained myself pretty well. Your posts are banal, stupid, poorly considered and generally idiotic. I'm not gonna show examples, cos I have better ways of spending my time, but your thread on CHEKA springs to mind...

[Mazdak]

lmao. I would like to point out GR's ignorance. I make a thread asking opinions on Soviet Secret Police Chiefs in the history ssection. I think it is GR's responces that are ignorant.

The best you could do was say "Your sick." Simply because i think Dzerzhinsky was admirable. And i never made a thread specifically on the Cheka. Banal? I think not. Poorly considered.... no.... i never took back an argument once i put it on the table. I dont see a post on opinions on the secret police chiefs is stupid, ignorant, poorly considered or banal. When the best comeback you had was "Mazdak you're sick." And then, all you could say was "his job." I could have picked out worse threads i started than that. Come on GR.

And canikickit, you want me to pat you on the back because you started this thread? Ever realise this thread was already in existance(I think Supermodel started it). And i owuldnt tal;k if i were you. You said that when you were my age, you didnt give a shit about politics. so shut up. You are the immature one.
"my fake internet persona?" Arent message boards for people to exchange ideas? I am simply putting ideas on the table. Somehow, because you do not like the odeas, they are "immature" and i am a "poser." Go to hell.


(Edited by Mazdak at 12:36 am on Sep. 11, 2002)

[Mazdak]

How MITRS, can you say lenin was stupid? He was probably one of the smartest people on this site. Better than canikickit 1000 times.

[guerrillaradio]

"lmao. I would like to pint out GR's ignorance."

You do that...

"The best you could do was say "Your sick." Simply because i think Dzerzhinsky was admirable."

No...i said more in that thread, you know that, cos you replied, when it suited you. Ultimately though, you never replied to my last post.

"Banal? I think not."

That's no defence. Back it up you moron...

"Poorly considered.... no.... i never took back an argument once i put it on the table."

That doesn't make them any better considered. It just makes you more stubborn and proud.

"I dont see a post on opinions on the secret police chiefs is stupid, ignorant, poorly considered or banal."

Go back and read the thread when you've matured. Then you'll see where I'm coming from.

[Mazdak]

I havent had time as i kinda WASNT here for a few days. And dont talk about me not responding. it took you how long to respond? Thats right.

And as for little spelling errors, i type quickly, and have had a reallly bad day. So i am not about to be worried about forgetting an "i" every now and then,

And i meant, "I dont see a post on the soviet secret police chiefs as ignorant, poorly considered, or banal.

And GR: "You moron," that isnt much of an argument either.

[canikickit]

Mazdak, I think that the idea of excecuting all prostitutes and banning all religion are very stupid. That is all. I do not write them off "just because I don't agree", I write them off because I believe they are extremely foolish.
I do not use age as a weapon. I think it is great that there are young people here. The reason I expressed disillusionment was because, as I'm sure you agree, it would be better if there were more adults here. Not less children, just more adults, it would be better for us all as leftists.

[Mazdak]

I understand what you are saying, as it ius ture that adults would have much more experiance with capitalism and thus would have better arguments and be more knowledgable. And banning all organized religion is what i meant, i didnt mean private. Religion would be looked down upon and laughed at. Publicly, religion would not exist but if someone wants to pray in their own house. Thats fine. And no pushing religion on other people. "Missionaries" would be viewed the same way theives are viewed under the law.

Of course i am speaking hypothetically.

[Mazdak]

And another thing, look at the Shining Path in Peru. A member of this group once said "What do you do with an old shoe? You discard when you get a new one." The same logic should be applied to the governments. Why keep the corrupt capitalists who could offer you later resistence a chance? Just pointing out, i am not alone. The Shining Path agrees with me there.

[Edelweiss]

Quote: from Mazdak on 10:27 pm on Sep. 9, 2002
Vox, as usual you dont see a difference. Malte's political views are that of a liberal(or so he says).

I never claimed to be a liberal, and hell I am not a liberal.

[RedCeltic]

I think it's kind a funny the way the word "Liberal" is thrown around by the right and left equally. The right would say, "Liberal" as in, "They are liberal with your money." The left would say, "They are liberal" meaning they aren't solitifide in their beliefs. Or not "Hard core" enough..

Which is funny in a way, because it really shows how some people are quick to use these over uses words, without ever taking the time to reflect upon themselves.

Mazdak is a pritty good example of this. He considers himself this big shot Stalinist, but in truth... real Stalinists would laugh themselves silly over him.

[Cassius Clay]

Hello there Mazdak, good to see you back. If you don't mind me asking how old are you ? Anyway to your point about prostitutes, they would not be have to executed or punished simply because the problem that causes them to be prostitutes (poverty caused by Capatalism) will be quickly elimanated. Pimps are another matter.

But on the whole Prostitutes are just exploited workers being exploited by the capatalists.

[Mazdak]

Well Malte, from what i have seen, your views eem liberal enough. Too liberal in my opinion. I never said i was a big shot stalinist.

I was the ONLY stalinist(SS doesnt count and maoist3 is a maoist) until this Cassius Clay guy came along. I have seen their views and generally agree with them.

and Cassius Clay, ia m 15 BTW.

[RedCeltic]

Yuri was probobly the only person to post on Che-Lives who was an real Stalinist.

[RGacky3]

I think Malte shoud let TS back in. He was a good communist.

[Mazdak]

now it starts again. Why must i continue to tell you people i am not posing or trying to gain attention. But to debate we have to put forth our ideas. If that is "attention seeking" then so be it.

And Yuriandropov? What about Lenin?

[RedCeltic]

Yuri said some things that I would agree with. Lenin only seemed to be here to display his racist and homophobic ideas. Although I didn't read everything he posted.

Yuri was also much older and actually lived under Stalinism, not just born during it.

[Guest]

Lenin was smart too, just because you don't agree with his opinions doesn't make him a poser or whatever you think. You seem only here to argue or post in chit-chat, you never having anything constructive anymore, you used to, but now, no.

[boadicea88]

That you, TS? Whoever you are, I have to agree.

(Edited by boadicea88 at 10:05 pm on Sep. 12, 2002)

[Guest]

It appears we are reliving this old experience eh?

Just in case my other post didnt catch any attention, bringing this back might.

(Mazdak on crappy 56k modem slow computer here)

[truthaddict11]

i dont think ThineStalin should be let back his remarks against interracial couples pissed me off.

[Guest]

A stab straight to my heart.. gah..

Actually you make it sound like I was racist in my post but you really didn't read it, did you? Be honest.

[antieverything]

Ok, I don't understand...Mazdak is a 'fascist' so that makes Malte justified in banning people who he doesn't agree with?

First they came for the Stalinists...

What is this with people whining about someones opinions making them mad? Shut the fuck up and get over it!

Hearing opinions that you don't agree with is the price of freedom.

Word.

[canikickit]

Mazdak, you made me read that argument again.

[redstar2000]

Good flame thread! Sorry I missed it the first time.

Mazdak ahead on points, so far. "You douche bag!" is a classic.

Carry on! :cheesy:

[El Che]

Malte can ban whoever he wants to, you dont get a say in the matter. He can ban you if he doesnt like your name, you avatar or if hes just had a bad day. You have nothing to complain about, moreso if you are a Stalinist. So shut up and deal with it.

[Lardlad95]

Mazdak shouldn't have been banned..me and him have had good disscussions in the past and I look forward to more...besides if he's gone who am I going to make fun of?

[antieverything]

Whatever, El Che...just because he 'can' do something doesn't mean that we have to agree with it.

[canikickit]

Fuck off.

[CompadreGuerrillera]

even if the bastard was a stalinist, i am against a kick, and El-Che sorry, but that was hypocritical for u thats what a stalinist wudda said, but anyway maybe u shoud have treated him like a cappie just only post in the form parts where cappies are allowed
just my thought

[El Che]

I oppose your tolerance of Stalinists and am unconcerned with it. If it were my decision to make I would make it despite the (un)popularity of the move.

Dont tell me I am a hypocrit, dont tell me to fuck off, I will dont be bullied. People have a right to be selective of whom they interact/associate with and I will make my decisions on my own thank you very much.

[Kehoe]

Those who are intolerant of others should not complain when they find that they themselves have become the victims of intolerance.I think it best to be selective in those people with which one wishes to associate as a means to safeguard those qualities and values which we prize above all others.

Consider this forum as it were the world itself,with this in mind we cant be so brutish as to think we have the right to banish people from a world which is the commonwealth of all humanity simply because they dont share our personal views.I may not agree with what others have to say but I must never deny them the right to say it.

Human evolution depends on open-mindedness,education and communication,Evolution is itself expansion,hence human evolution is mind-expansion.I once read a remarkable statement,"The mind is like a parachute,useless unless its open".This is either an open forum or else its merely an exclusive social club wherein only those members who know best how to patronize the hierarchy will be tolerated.

There are other ways of dealing with those people whom you find offensive,make one bold statement of your disapproval and the reasons why,dont directly respond to their posts,expose their ignorance and dishonesty by expounding point by point upon those things they publish in the forum ... I personally see no cause for banning when one can simply shun ... there are many people in this world living false,violent and inauthentic lives yet I cannot abandon the air we commonly share without sealing my own fate.

Perhaps for a change people should search for those things they equally share rather than striving constantly to find more and more reasons to stay apart.Once you feel your way through the muck and mire of useless sediments that cloud the mind and distorts appearances ... way down at the very core of our being ... we really are a great deal alike you and I.

[El Che]

I make an effort to leave ego out of things because I believe it is your enemy. You are, indeed, your own worst enemy, in some ways. This is not a personal matter up until the point where I feel I am being wrongfuly acussed of crimes I do not commit. Let me then, if I can, separate the substance of my position from the defense, reply to criticism.

"Those who are intolerant of others should not complain when they find that they themselves have become the victims of intolerance."

Very well. But really, in the above, you say nothing, dont you? Do you "tolerate" everything? Please do me the courtesy of remembering that toleration is intended as personal atitude towards... as opposed to toleration of the very existence (as opinion, position or watever) of...

In any case, I am perfectly confortable with the consequences of assuming my thoughts. That is exactly the point of my posts here. It`s my way of saying I dont like whats going on here. It`s not that I decide to antagonise the Stalinists, it`s just that I cant stand them. I cant "shun" because something in me revolts and speaks out.

"Consider this forum as it were the world itself,with this in mind we cant be so brutish as to think we have the right to banish people from a world which is the commonwealth of all humanity simply because they dont share our personal views.I may not agree with what others have to say but I must never deny them the right to say it."

Whats the relevance of your comparison? You compare one`s private space with "the world", I wonder with what purpose. No wait, I know exactly with what purpose.

"Human evolution depends on open-mindedness,education and communication,Evolution is itself expansion,hence human evolution is mind-expansion.I once read a remarkable statement,"The mind is like a parachute,useless unless its open".This is either an open forum or else its merely an exclusive social club wherein only those members who know best how to patronize the hierarchy will be tolerated."

Thats very deep Kehoe but I don`t you`re catching my drift here. Just the other night I was watching a documentary on north korea... do you know what goes on in north korea? open mindedness? You believe what you want and lets leave it at that. And how dare you suggest im saying what im saying to "patronize the hierarchy"? that is deeply offensive. I dont care what the hierarchy or the non hierarchy thinks and if u dont like it u can stick it.

"There are other ways of dealing with those people whom you find offensive,make one bold statement of your disapproval and the reasons why,dont directly respond to their posts,expose their ignorance and dishonesty by expounding point by point upon those things they publish in the forum ... I personally see no cause for banning when one can simply shun ... there are many people in this world living false,violent and inauthentic lives yet I cannot abandon the air we commonly share without sealing my own fate."

Sometimes I ignore it because I say to my self "dont waste your time", but I always feel a slight sting, a wanting, of sorts, to reply.

"Perhaps for a change people should search for those things they equally share rather than striving constantly to find more and more reasons to stay apart.Once you feel your way through the muck and mire of useless sediments that cloud the mind and distorts appearances ... way down at the very core of our being ... we really are a great deal alike you and I."

Oh thats brilliant, it really is. You`re the humanist here, the forgiving one recognises the humanity in all... And I`m the intolerant elitist. You must think you`re prety smart, in which case I hate to burst ur bubble but I think you need to go over your conclusions with that open minded, all sided mind of yours.

[redstar2000]

I've said this in other threads, but I think it's worth repeating: "tolerance" is an illusion.

We "tolerate" that which we find inoffensive or irrelevant. We do not "tolerate" that which we find outrageous, insufferable, a direct threat to that which we hold dearest...in a word, intolerable!

Calls for "tolerance" come from those who are annoyed by the fuss, or from those who have another agenda altogether...and from those whose arguments are too weak to stand critical examination.

IF you hold that stalinism was/is in permanent and total contradiction to communism, THEN you do NOT "tolerate" it OR its advocates.

HOW one should fight stalinism is ANOTHER question...but calls for "tolerance" are just empty noise.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 9:54 pm on Dec. 8, 2002
I've said this in other threads, but I think it's worth repeating: "tolerance" is an illusion.

We "tolerate" that which we find inoffensive or irrelevant. We do not "tolerate" that which we find outrageous, insufferable, a direct threat to that which we hold dearest...in a word, intolerable!

Calls for "tolerance" come from those who are annoyed by the fuss, or from those who have another agenda altogether...and from those whose arguments are too weak to stand critical examination.

IF you hold that stalinism was/is in permanent and total contradiction to communism, THEN you do NOT "tolerate" it OR its advocates.

HOW one should fight stalinism is ANOTHER question...but calls for "tolerance" are just empty noise.

To tolerate is asically to live in let live

I hate racists with all my hearts but I respect their right to live...ie I tolerate them

if I didn't I would kill everyone I met

[RedCeltic]

A stab straight to my heart.. gah..

Actually you make it sound like I was racist in my post but you really didn't read it, did you? Be honest.

I did read it and you are a racist.

[canikickit]

dont tell me to fuck off

I wasn't telling you to fuck off, El Che, I agree with you (except the shut up part).

[redstar2000]

Lardlad95, it's not really necessary to KILL people that we cannot tolerate; sometimes, a stern talking-to will accomplish our purposes. :cheesy:

[RedCeltic]

I agree with El Che, expecially the shut up part. :)

I have always supported the Stalinists right to be here and say what they want. However they do not know how to make an argument without insulting everyone. "Hippie Liberal" etc is the core of their argument.

I had wondered for awile if Thine Stalin and Mazdak where realy Conservitive Republicans pretending to be on the left in order to play the steriotypical evil commie that right wingers fear.

Mazdak doesn't believe any of the trash he spews out, nobody could possibly be that sick in the head.

It's about time we clean up Che-Lives and take out the trash.

The fuckin' Cappies on this board know more about socialism than these idiots.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against real Stalinists and believe that a real Stalinist could propose their ideology in a rational manner.

We don't have any REAL Stalinists here on this board. Just conservitives playing games with you.

[redstar2000]

I think Cassius Clay and thursday would both qualify as "real" stalinists. :cool:

[new democracy]

Quote: from redstar2000 on 11:20 pm on Dec. 9, 2002
I think Cassius Clay and thursday would both qualify as "real" stalinists. :cool:
i wanted to say that. if i am not mistaken, you were a stalinist in your youth. so i think Mazdak and boadicea88 will grow out of it eventually.

[RedCeltic]

all "Stalinists" like Mazdak I've ever met grew up to be Republicans.

and I don't know who Cassius Clay and thursday are.

I do know Real grown up Stalinists in real life and they support gay rights, feminism, rights of minorities, etc.

[new democracy]

before 1,956, all the people in the kibbutz where my mother grew were stalinists-zionists. the speech the khrushchev carried was a shock for them.

[RedCeltic]

khrushchev shocked alot of people, and not just with his stupid shoe pounding.

[American Kid]

Mazdak will dish out the insults here or there, no doubt. But the kid is also bright and well-read and fairly skilled at expressing his ideas clearly and concisely. I give him credit for that.

In the end though, he's just an angry confused kid who, I'll say again, could just probably use a hug.
-ak

[canikickit]

I think he could do with getting his ass kicked a few times. Or maybe purged or sent off to a gulag, he sure doesn't like it when it happens on a message board imagine if he was dragged out of his New York home for listening to Jazz? Alternatively, I heard they were selling bottled reality on e-bay, could be worth checking out.

[RedCeltic]

I heard they were selling bottled reality on e-bay, could be worth checking out.

Mazdak could use a case of that stuff. ;)

[Ian]

. Or are you a stupid hippie whose idea of perfection is "freelove" and such shit.

Mazdak, I don't know if you're aware of this but communists, stalinists included, support free love! Ever heard of Komunistka? That is the principle put forward by Alexandra Kollontai on the topic of free love.

[new democracy]

about RedCeltic remark on true stalinism, if there will be in che lives true stalinists, not soviet nostalgists and little kids that want to shock their parents, it will be very interesting. if you will look at the platforms of stalinist parties, you will never see something similar to the bullshit Mazdak is posting. in fact, true stalinists usually talk against the undemocratic nature of capitalism, instead of praising totalitarian methods. i think Clay is an example of a true stalinist. he is the only stalinist on this website that i respect.

[Edelweiss]

CC is as anoying as the Stalin kiddies, if you ask me. He is totally denying the authoritarian nature of Stalinism, which is totally ridiculous. And I think the support of gay rights, feminism, rights of minorities etc of today's Stalinist parties is more a tactical trick than true political conviction.

[El Che]

Also true. The Stalinist party in my country is actualy a party I could vote for. I`ve never seen such stupidity in the real world. Which makes sense since these guys have no credibility.

I dont know about other countries but what I do know is that the only way people like this can get popular support is by lying about their beliefs and positions. Much like the extreme right does, turning to populist rethoric.

[new democracy]

Yes, CC is annoying, but you have to admit he is more respectable than boadicea88(our nazi sympathizer)or "let kill them all" Mazdak, lenin and his uncle with their anti semite bullshit, or thine with his nazism, RedHomophobicFlamerCCCP, or STALINSOLDIERS, which was an arsehole but pretty amusing. he is/was the most decent stalinist on this website.

[Felicia]

Hi there :)

[Greyhound]

Quote: from new democracy on 5:06 am on Dec. 13, 2002
. . . boadicea88(our nazi sympathizer). . . or thine with his nazism, . . . or STALINSOLDIERS, which was an arsehole but pretty amusing. he is/was the most decent stalinist on this website.


Boadicea? Nazi symp? That's a laugh and a half. Thine Stalin, a Nazi? Prove it to me. Solidly prove it to me, 100%. It seems to me like a "well, he said that she said that he said that his friend said that on another website he said he was a nazi" type thing to me. And Stalinsoldiers is more racist and more idiotic than anyone else I have seen. You have very odd definitions, Monsieur New Democracy.

[RedCeltic]

What do you want us to do Grayhound? Put every post that a Stalinist has racist/homophobic/sexist crap in a sticky for you? Thine Stalin played Nazi on the phora, and had posted a thread thats somewhere in the back pages of S v C...that sounds like a speach from David Duke (KKK) on why we need to keep the white race pure.

I agree with you on StalinSoldgers, he was probobly the worst and was only kept around here because he was so over the top we all burst out laughing every time he posted.

But you know what... I'm tired of digging up all the mountains of evidence against these dimwits. And I'm tired of us pretending Stalinism is something acceptable to be.

Let the lovers of mass murder and state instituted terror go play games somewhere else. I'm tired of reading about executions of retarded people because poor Mazdak doesn't want to sit next to them on the bus...

[new democracy]

thine said on this website that he feel more brotherhood with nazis over anarchists. "I feel more brotherhood with nazis than anarchists, as should all communists" and "Communists and nazi's are very similiar, they have ideals similiar to the current ones in use by european nations. Apart from the racial disagreements, we are very similiar politically." (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=559&start=70) boadicea88 promoted the myth of jewish control over money, and her "maybe hitler was right" and of course antoher general attack on jews "Why do Jews always start in with the "anti semite" bullshit whenever they or israel are criticised??? Christ thats annoying. (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=17&topic=1084&start=40)". and she also said "I'm no anti-Semite, but are most Jews like that? Please tell me they aren't... (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=984)" and i am trying to find thine "banning interracial marriage" speech.

[RedCeltic]

Here it is... ( The brilliant Banning interacial marrages speach by TS)

I think that it should be stopped, before the united states becomes a 'black' nation. Blacks have more dominant traits than whites, so even a grandchild of a black, will appear more black than white in some cases. (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=565)

[Soso Koba]

Those aren't racist! My reasons for the banning of interracial marriage was to STOP the racism that will be!

Those links don't show I am nazi either! I am glad you posted the thing about the racial disagreements because that is where the brotherhood I feel with them stops and that is why they are not communists.

[RedCeltic]

Thine Stalin,

As I pointed out in that thread also, the position you take is also the same one taken by the Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan, David Duke, who also says that he isn't a racist.

[Soso Koba]

Ok fine, stalin and mao both wanted communism like the communists here, does that make them both exactly the same? NO! They probably hate stalin and mao.

The KKK are obvious racists who beat up black people, I don't beat up black people.

[RedCeltic]

The KKK claims that they don't do that anymore also.

But perhaps closer to home, your views are similar to my mother's Father who also thought that blacks should be kept from breeding too much and gaining too many rights.

And yes, my whole family thinks he was a racist. And he also didn't beat anyone up.

[Soso Koba]

I'm not against them having rights, I'm just being selfish and not wanting to become a victim of black racism, maybe nazi paranoia from thephora got to me, but their ideals never really hit home.

[new democracy]

Third time thine is banned(the second was when he registered as "deamon" )!!!

[Greyhound]

Quote: from new democracy on 11:11 am on Dec. 12, 2002
about RedCeltic remark on true stalinism, if there will be in che lives true stalinists, not soviet nostalgists and little kids that want to shock their parents


Who is to say that "Soviet nostalgists" are not "true Stalinists"? You ought to know by know that Boadicea's parents don't give a flying fuck what she is so long as she is not a Nazi. Thus, shocking her parents is rather difficult.

Thine Stalin has been banned more like 5 or 6 times. I still don't see how what he said was Nazi-ish in any wsay, he obviously doesnt hate Black people.

And, Mazdak didn't say anything at all about executing any retarded person in that thread! He said aborting. Abortion is not execution. He also said if we ever found a way to see if a baby was going to be born retarded, they should be aborted. But, you will only read what you want someone to say, there is no talking to people like you.

[Lysenko]

Quote: from RedCeltic on 12:18 am on Dec. 15, 2002
What do you want us to do Grayhound? Put every post that a Stalinist has racist/homophobic/sexist crap in a sticky for you? Thine Stalin played Nazi on the phora, and had posted a thread thats somewhere in the back pages of S v C...that sounds like a speach from David Duke (KKK) on why we need to keep the white race pure.

I agree with you on StalinSoldgers, he was probobly the worst and was only kept around here because he was so over the top we all burst out laughing every time he posted.

But you know what... I'm tired of digging up all the mountains of evidence against these dimwits. And I'm tired of us pretending Stalinism is something acceptable to be.

Let the lovers of mass murder and state instituted terror go play games somewhere else. I'm tired of reading about executions of retarded people because poor Mazdak doesn't want to sit next to them on the bus...



RedCeltic, your inability to correctly read posts i believe impares your ability to be mod. Someone as retarded as you surely should not be mod if you still think the retardation thread had something to do with killing anyone.

New Democracy,you are alost cause, i dont even know why you aren't blocked, as you are an embarassment to all leftist causes.

Let's kill them all. No. But one must look at reality. True knowledge and peacable movements can do something, but "why ask the oppressor for freedom, remove the oppressor and take the freedom."

You all love che yet you have no clue who he was. He was one of the most authoritarian of Castro's men. Lavrenti Beria proved this at Junichi's board. But i wouldn't expect you to have a clue about che since you cant even read a post right.

[truthaddict11]

Quote: from Soso Koba on 11:05 pm on Dec. 15, 2002
I'm not against them having rights, I'm just being selfish and not wanting to become a victim of black racism, maybe nazi paranoia from thephora got to me, but their ideals never really hit home.


reverse racism TS? I hear racist pieces of shit say that all the time.

i believe you said it too
"I'm worried the black race which will out number the white race, will take out revenge upon the whites for previous mistreatments, this isn't racist, its what'll happen"

(Edited by truthaddict11 at 12:20 am on Dec. 24, 2002)

[Lysenko]

Now i am blocked from chit chat again eh? Treating leftists like capitalists. Since when did i or any stalinist admire che any less than most of you parasites?

I demand this nonsense involving the stalinists end. If it does not, then i demand that the measures taken against the stalinists be taken against the trotskyists. It is highly hypocritical of you to do this.

What kind of idiots are you to ban the only group you can debate with internally? Masturbation of the mind it is. With us gone, all you do is agree with each other on everything. This isn't debate!! This is masturbation of the mind!!

[Umoja]

What's funny is I was reading something by Jawaza Kunjufu and he also was talking about Black traits being dominant, and I had to stop reading his book for awhile since he was getting into Eugenics, and considering I had been around black radicals (as in more then me) I needed a rest from that crazy millitant stuff.

Masturbation of the mind, I like that one.

[RedCeltic]

Mazdak, I wish you would stop calling yourself a stalinist. I live in Albany county NY most of the year and I know ADULT people who call themselves Stalinists and belong to actual Stalinist organisations and would have nothing to do with a murderous bloodtirsty fool like yourelf.

*EDIT* : I restricted you, but only because most of us are sick of your crap.
Maybe if you spent less time playing Stalinist leader on your computer and learned about the real world you would learn why real socialists here on Che Lives support realistic means of instaling and preserving it.

(Edited by RedCeltic at 10:49 pm on Dec. 25, 2002)

[Lysenko]

lol, real socialists? Right. You mean little kids who think socialism is about smoking pot, free love, and freedom of speech and family. Hilarious. Most people here dont know socialism from a hole in the ground. I prefer to call myself an authoritarian socialist who sympathizes with Stalin. Most "stalinists" also tend to be Russian Nationalists so i wouldnt go by what many of them say RC.

Since when was i playing dictator? Never. Its called authoritarianism. It works quite well. Just because the left is plagued with softy extreme liberals like yourselves does not mean that we all have to desire a hippie commune for the future of the world. And also, your inability to read almost all of my posts shows pretty well. First, according you you i want to kill retards. Then Malte claims i am a nazi. Now I am playing dictator? When? Where?

Ever heard of this term "hypothetical?" Look it up in your dictionary, that is, if you have one.

Bloodthirsty and murderous?how humorous! Coming from someone who claimed to be an anarcho socialist.
Yes, that's right RedCeltic, putting the wellbeing of humanity before that of a few humans, how horrible one must be to support that.

I am only as bloodthirsty and murderous as marx woul,d ever have wanted one to be.

I even proved how i was correct on marx and the family. Yet some of the so called socialists here disagree.

The good of the collective always comes before that of the individual. To not see things in that fashion is selfish.

I am quite sick of the crap i have seen here. If only RATM never emerged, there might be a few real leftists here.

I know about the real world. It is cruel, unforgiving, and controlled by the wicked few. This constant talk of coexistance and trying to win through peaceful means is sickening. It doesnt work. Is it bloodthirsty to see that the only way to change the world is by force?