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Wanted Man
24th May 2008, 13:08
Are YOU One of the 8 Million Targeted for Roundup? UPDATE: Brits Amass Giant DB Too

by ohmproject (http://ohmproject.dailykos.com/)

Tue May 20, 2008 at 12:12:27 AM PDT

cross posted at The Ohm Project: an exercise in resistance (http://www.ohmproject.org/)

Senior government officials have leaked detailed information about a database of 8 million Americans targeted for detention in case of a declared national emergency.




Called "Main Core," the database's origins date back to the 1980s when the Reagan administration began its "Continuity in Government" planning. The Bush administration stepped up the effort to the point that even John Ashcroft and his deputy, James Comey objected on constitional grounds, leading to the dramatic confrontation between Ashcroft and Comey on on side and Alberto Gonzales (then Bush's lawyer) and Andrew Card on the other as Ashcroft lay critically ill in an intensive care unit.


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Christopher Ketcham reports in the latest issue of RADAR: (http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2008/05/government_surveillance_homeland_security_main_cor e_01.php)





According to a senior government official who served with high-level security clearances in five administrations, "There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived 'enemies of the state' almost instantaneously." He and other sources tell Radar that the database is sometimes referred to by the code name Main Core. One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention.

How do you get on the list? Ketcham reports that the software used makes predictive judgments of targets' behavior and tracks their circle of associations with "social network analysis" and artificial intelligence modeling tools." The data that serves as the basis of these predictions includes financial information collected from banks, credit card companies and credit agencies, the fruits of the government's illegal wiretapping and email surveillance, data gathered from private sources like ISPs and cell phone companies. A partial list of the data:



The following information seems to be fair game for collection without a warrant: the e-mail addresses you send to and receive from, and the subject lines of those messages; the phone numbers you dial, the numbers that dial in to your line, and the durations of the calls; the Internet sites you visit and the keywords in your Web searches; the destinations of the airline tickets you buy; the amounts and locations of your ATM withdrawals; and the goods and services you purchase on credit cards. All of this information is archived on government supercomputers and, according to sources, also fed into the Main Core database.

Smaller, targeted "enemies lists" are included: no-fly list (now nearing 500,000), border scrutiny list (750,000 nearly a year ago) and people on a list created by a Pentagon project targeting antiwar and environmental groups. These much smaller lists grow to 8 million because of the "social networking" factor. If you've emailed or called someone on those lists, you get added to the master list.




Ketcham has reviewed previous lists created by FEMA (under whose authority all this take place) and the FBI, and finds that diversity rules. Typically, one finds "dissidents and activists of various stripes, political and tax protesters, lawyers and professors, publishers and journalists, gun owners, illegal aliens, foreign nationals, and a great many other harmless, average people."




Enemies lists and mass roundups are nothing new in American history. Lincoln employed them during the Civil War. FDR put the Japanese in detention camps. J. Edgar Hoover had his lists.




But the Main Core programs roots trace back to Reagan, and more specifically, to Iran-Contra figure, Oliver North. North was involved in the creation of REX-84, a martial law plan that would have suspended the constitution, rounded up 400,000 illegal aliens and unknown numbers of American citizens and placed them in detention camps set up at military bases. When Texas Congressman Jack Brooks attempted to question North about the plans at the Iran-Contra hearings, even his fellow Congressmen shut him off.




Rex-84 tools included PROMIS, a database program that North used to track dissidents' movements in the 80s. The program was never halted. Instead, it went into turboboost after 9/11.




These new leaks revealed by Ketcham are an opportunity to push for a Congressional investigation of marital law plans. Peter DeFazio and Bernie Thompson have requested detailed information about "Continuity of Government" plans, but, incredibly, have been rebuffed by DHS and the Bush administration.




Congress has itself been complict, enacting a number of laws since 9/11 that make such data gathering, targeting and detention easier. The 2002 NORTHCOM funding bill included a provision allowing military adminstration in the U. S. in times of declared emergency. The 2006 Military Commissions Act suspended habeas corpus for declared enemy combatants, even American citizens. And the 2006 Warner Defense Act allows deployment of military forces even in the case of natural emergencies. John Yoo claimed in a 2002 memo that the 4th Amendment would have no application to military forces deployed on U. S. soil. Current AG Mukasey refused to disavow Yoo's memo when he testified before Congress last month.




This is the current state of things:




If Bush or any other President declares a state of emergency because of a terrorist attack, assassination, natural disaster or large scale protests, millions of Americans will be targeted. It may be a letter in the mail or a phone call requiring them to come to a local government office to register and answer questions. It may be a knock on the door from local or federal law enforcement officials wanting to have a little chat. Or it may be a squad of Marines busting down the door, shooting first and asking questions later.




Are you one of the 8 million?



UPDATE:


For our skeptics who look down their noses at the source, here's another report today about the UK's plan to amass a similar database. This from the London Times (yes, I know who owns it):


A massive government database holding details of every phone call, e-mail and time spent on the internet by the public is being planned as part of the fight against crime and terrorism. Internet service providers (ISPs) and telecoms companies would hand over the records to the Home Office under plans put forward by officials.
The information would be held for at least 12 months and the police and security services would be able to access it if given permission from the courts.
The proposal will raise further alarm about a "Big Brother" society, as it follows plans for vast databases for the ID cards scheme and NHS patients. There will also be concern about the ability of the Government to manage a system holding billions of records. About 57 billion text messages were sent in Britain last year, while an estimated 3 billion e-mails are sent every day.
(http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article3965033.ece)

See the original here (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/telecoms/article3965033.ece)
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F9
24th May 2008, 13:19
:ohmy::ohmy: men they are fucking idiot arsholes!

Bright Banana Beard
24th May 2008, 14:12
With that massive number, we could wipe off many army member.

Cheung Mo
24th May 2008, 14:19
The fascists who propose this shit deserve to be sent back in time and starved and tortured to death in Hitler's death camps. If they like fascism that much, give them a taste of their own medicine.

Thíazì
24th May 2008, 18:44
So I suppose all members on this site are naturally on this list? :closedeyes:

I find it surprising that any Congressman would actually vote for any of these bills, like NORTHCOM, the USA PATRIOT Act, etc. How do they benefit? Wouldn't a yes vote on these bills cause them to lose their seat?

RedAnarchist
24th May 2008, 18:46
So I suppose all members on this site are naturally on this list? :closedeyes:

I find it surprising that any Congressman would actually vote for any of these bills, like NORTHCOM, the USA PATRIOT Act, etc. How do they benefit? Wouldn't a yes vote on these bills cause them to lose their seat?

Maybe the American ones are, but not the 50% or so who aren't. This site is hosted in Germany, so I dont know if they can even get that information.

Thíazì
24th May 2008, 19:57
Maybe the American ones are, but not the 50% or so who aren't. This site is hosted in Germany, so I dont know if they can even get that information.

Oh, I figured you'd get on the list even if you weren't in the US, but if you'd contacted someone in the US, which would happen through this site or e-mails.

My mistake, I wasn't trying to imply that everyone on this site is American, and I hope that's not what you'd thought.

Wanted Man
24th May 2008, 21:38
So I suppose all members on this site are naturally on this list? :closedeyes:
I think it's more about independent journalists, bloggers, activists and other people that they don't want hanging around when the shit hits the fan.

Bright Banana Beard
25th May 2008, 03:02
I guess I am on the list because I actually taught anarchism/communism by presentation on my school and the class was shocked and confused but cheer at me as they understand how fucked up the system is.

Dr Mindbender
25th May 2008, 03:05
wow another reason i'm glad i'm not american.

DancingLarry
25th May 2008, 03:52
Maybe the American ones are, but not the 50% or so who aren't. This site is hosted in Germany, so I dont know if they can even get that information.

One of the misconceptions about the NSA domestic wiretapping the US government is doing to day is that it's all phone calls, or at most emails. Electronic surveillance is a big vacuum, it can scoop up all the connections you make with your computer, every website visited, every page downloaded. Some website addresses will be "red-flagged", automatically deepening the screening of anyone that visits it. (Oddly enough, these rulers of ours don't consider red flags to be good things!) Needless to say, almost by definition this site and other radical sites will be on that "red flag" list

RHIZOMES
25th May 2008, 06:58
I am glad I'm not American.

Hexen
25th May 2008, 11:28
I can see a civil war/revolution between the citizens and the U.S. Government coming really soon...

Thíazì
25th May 2008, 15:20
I can see a civil war/revolution between the citizens and the U.S. Government coming really soon...

Well I guess you're right, at least if McCain wins this election. I don't think the citizens would have a chance in a country so militaristic, though. Hopefully it would at least be like a 60s repeat, not necessarily a revolution, but enough mass protest and mistrust of government to bring change.

However, just like last time, right after something like that happens, the country will likely swing far back to the right (Reagan).

gla22
25th May 2008, 15:28
I guess I am on the list because I actually taught anarchism/communism by presentation on my school and the class was shocked and confused but cheer at me as they understand how fucked up the system is.

Same here. My class was hella nervous looking.

Random Precision
25th May 2008, 18:01
Jesus fucking Christ, you can positively hear these American members of RevLeft cringing with glee and just waiting for their doors to be kicked in. Don't worry boys, these guys are looking for active revolutionaries who pose an actual threat to the US government. Your activities on teh intrawebz and school presentations don't qualify as such a threat. :rolleyes:

bolshevik butcher
25th May 2008, 18:16
Yes because there are clearly 8million active revolutionary cadres in America right now?

I would not panic if I was an active socialist in America just now but I expect that such systems are in place. Random Precision I wouldn't criticise someone for taking socialist arguments into schools. This is a positive idea and could be partiuclarly effective if it is combined with further youth work and organising.

This is in many ways a positively scary outline although, I would not find it remotely surprising though. The De Gaulleist government in France 1968 had complete plans for detnetions in a similar manner to that of the Pinochet coup and I would not see why all other captialist states would not have details of people it considered potenitally dangerous.

BIG BROTHER
25th May 2008, 18:16
well, so much for freedom and justice for all. the goverment of the u.s. has shown as the article mentions that in the end it can brake any rule it was in the name of security, last time it was japanize people this time it would be activists.

i don't see any big conflict commin anytime soon though, so at least for now those 8 million are "safe"

Justin CF
25th May 2008, 20:07
Emphasis yours:
Don't worry boys, these guys are looking for active revolutionaries who pose an actual threat to the US government. Your activities on teh intrawebz and school presentations don't qualify as such a threat. :rolleyes:The thing is, our actions on "teh intrawebz" are being qualified as a threat. In fact, that was the entire point of the article. I would suggest giving it a one-over before demeaning those who have.

Also, I'm pretty sure that I'd be on that list even if I didn't visit this website (or any other, for that matter).

nvm
25th May 2008, 20:24
Wtf is this real ?
Is there any proof?

Random Precision
25th May 2008, 23:51
Emphasis yours:The thing is, our actions on "teh intrawebz" are being qualified as a threat. In fact, that was the entire point of the article. I would suggest giving it a one-over before demeaning those who have.

Also, I'm pretty sure that I'd be on that list even if I didn't visit this website (or any other, for that matter).

The point is that the US government has all kinds of ridiculous contingency plans like these that will never be implemented. This one is obviously not about to be run because its a list of 8 million people. It's like I said: the doors of RevLefters are not about to be kicked in because of their online activity, however much some of them like to fantasize about that, because frankly it would probably make them appear far more revolutionary than any of them actually are IRL.

This is, of course, not directed at you. I have no idea of what your political activity is.

RHIZOMES
26th May 2008, 02:24
The point is that the US government has all kinds of ridiculous contingency plans like these that will never be implemented. This one is obviously not about to be run because its a list of 8 million people. It's like I said: the doors of RevLefters are not about to be kicked in because of their online activity, however much some of them like to fantasize about that, because frankly it would probably make them appear far more revolutionary than any of them actually are IRL.

This is, of course, not directed at you. I have no idea of what your political activity is.

I'm not sure you read the entire article. I think revleft would be on the website list.

bcbm
26th May 2008, 02:38
He is not suggesting it would not be on any website list, but that the "OMG they think we're a REAL threat!" wet-dreams of some members here aren't in touch with the reality of the situation. Governments compile all sorts of data and make all sorts of plans. The vast majority are never used. I doubt they will be declaring martial law and rounding up 8 million people anytime soon, not least of all because I doubt they could get away with it.

Justin CF
26th May 2008, 04:03
The point is that the US government has all kinds of ridiculous contingency plans like these that will never be implemented. This one is obviously not about to be run because its a list of 8 million people. It's like I said: the doors of RevLefters are not about to be kicked in because of their online activity, however much some of them like to fantasize about that, because frankly it would probably make them appear far more revolutionary than any of them actually are IRL.True nuff. I doubt that FEMA would be able to round up that many people. But there's probably a short list, too. Do a YouTube search for "fema camp", and you'll see where the short list is gonna be sent.


This is, of course, not directed at you. I have no idea of what your political activity is.Good! :p

DancingLarry
26th May 2008, 06:10
Jesus fucking Christ, you can positively hear these American members of RevLeft cringing with glee and just waiting for their doors to be kicked in. Don't worry boys, these guys are looking for active revolutionaries who pose an actual threat to the US government. Your activities on teh intrawebz and school presentations don't qualify as such a threat. :rolleyes:


And if, say, speaking strictly hypothetically, one of these silly Yank intrawebz people had worked for , oh let's just say the National Security Agency before swinging hard to the left, that would not in any way be of any interest to the Department of Heimat Sicherheit, no, not at all, not in the least.

Random Precision
27th May 2008, 03:07
I'm not sure you read the entire article. I think revleft would be on the website list.

I did read the entire article. What I'm saying is that people on this website are not about to be rounded up, because we're not exactly on the top of these lists, that would more likely be journalists and so forth.


And if, say, speaking strictly hypothetically, one of these silly Yank intrawebz people had worked for , oh let's just say the National Security Agency before swinging hard to the left, that would not in any way be of any interest to the Department of Heimat Sicherheit, no, not at all, not in the least.

Just what the hell are you talking about now?

Justin CF
27th May 2008, 05:44
And if, say, speaking strictly hypothetically, one of these silly Yank intrawebz people had worked for , oh let's just say the National Security Agency before swinging hard to the left, that would not in any way be of any interest to the Department of Heimat Sicherheit, no, not at all, not in the least.Just what the hell are you talking about now?I think he's saying that he used to work for the NSA, but I could be wrong.