Indiana Jones and the wrath of the Communist Party

[Unicorn]

He has battled against Nazi villains, a Beduin swordsman and a pit of poisonous snakes. Now Indiana Jones can add the Communist Party of St Petersburg to his list of adversaries.

Party leaders accused the actors Harrison Ford and Cate Blanchett yesterday of promoting crude, anti-Soviet propaganda in their new film, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. They have urged Russian moviegoers to boycott the film and told Ford, 65, not to visit the country.

The swashbuckling archaeologist’s fourth adventure is set in the Cold War in 1957. It pits Indiana Jones against a sinister KGB agent, played by Blanchett, who leads a ruthless team of Soviet spies in the hunt for a skull endowed with mystical powers.

The Communist Party’s ideology committee in Russia’s secondlargest city saw red over the plot. In an open letter, it declared: “Your work in this film is an insult to the Soviet and Russian people, who remember the difficult Fifties when our country was concluding its reconstruction after the Great War, but did not send merciless terrorists to the USA.” It said that Russians had loved Ford in previous serious roles – which include a Soviet submarine commander in K-19: The Widowmaker – but went on: “You have no future in Russia any more. Speaking plainly, it is better for you not to come here. You will be beaten and despised.”

The party’s central committee called Steven Spielberg’s film an attempt to “slander Soviet Communists” and poison the young against them. It called Ford and Blanchett “capitalist puppets”.

“Our moviegoers are teenagers who are unaware of what happened in 1957,” said Sergei Malinkovich, the chief of the St Petersburg Communist Party chief. “They will go to the cinema and will be sure that in 1957 we made trouble for the United States and almost started a nuclear war. It’s rubbish.”

Party members were equally scathing in comments posted on its website. Andrei Gindos said: “Harrison Ford and Cate Blanchett are second-rate actors serving as the running dogs of the CIA. We need to deprive these people of the right to enter the country.”

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article3994888.ece

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

well said

what those Russians said, that is
anti-Soviet propaganda continues to serve the right

[bootleg42]

Why don't they make a film about a U.S. citizen battling U.S. imperialism using big name actors???

I mean U.S. films do this all the time (whether intentionally or not). Remember Transformers?? When the bad robots (i forgot their names) were attacking, the U.S. army guy asked, "who's attacking??? Iran??? North Korea????". A scene like this can put into young children's heads that Iran and North Korea would actually attack the U.S. (which if anyone know international relations and politics knows that won't happen).

[Random Precision]

This man has obviously never seen I'm Not There, or The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou, or The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Cate Blanchett is a phenomenal actress.

[Marsella]

Yes, the CPSU, the second largest party in the Duma, is complaining about 'insults' to its country in a movie. I think that it shows how relevant this party is to workers.

And very ironic calling Ford and Blanchett 'capitalist puppets' when the party has candidates whom are millionaire capitalists.

As always, which side is 'correct' is irrelevant to the working class but totally relevant to the patriotism that the CPSU wishes to stir up. Anti-soviet propaganda serves both the American right and the Russian right. Totally irrelevant to workers.

And, of course, the movie is fiction.

[Justin CF]

And, of course, the movie is fiction.You've hit the nail right on the head. The previous three Indy films have depicted orientals, Arabs, and indigenous people in general in an extremely negative light. If I had to extract some social metaphor from it, I would probably say that this as an irony-clad parody of our culture looking down others... but in all likelihood it was just Spielberg having fun, and it certainly isn't anything to pass out physical-threats over.

[BIG BROTHER]

I'm not seing that movie.

[bcbm]

Well, I'm glad things are so good in Russia that this is all they have to worry about.

[gla22]

It was a good movie even with the communist hate. i have no love for the USSR in the 50's anyways.

[Lector Malibu]

Actually I didn't like the anti-communist slant, and a trailer I saw depicted the American flag waving in one scene, as if Indy was now a real American hero.

That said I will see this film. I like Harrison Ford , as Han or Indy and it reminds me of my youth.

As Lector actually dressed up like Indy one Halloween, bull whip and all, FTW

[Herman]

And very ironic calling Ford and Blanchett 'capitalist puppets' when the party has candidates whom are millionaire capitalists.

You've just hit the nail, destroyed five airplanes and had sex with Orlando Bloom.

[RedHal]

And you guys actually believe a socialist revolution is gonna happen in the US or any first world? Anti communist propaganda is shoved down everyones' throats and you guys have no problem with it. But of course your version of a socialist state is gonna be so different from the Soviet Union, and of course the masses will believe it when anti communism has been fed to them from birth:rolleyes:

[Marsella]

And you guys actually believe a socialist revolution is gonna happen in the US or any first world? Anti communist propaganda is shoved down everyones' throats and you guys have no problem with it. But of course your version of a socialist state is gonna be so different from the Soviet Union, and of course the masses will believe it when anti communism has been fed to them from birth:rolleyes:

I agree.

The complete future of the communist movement depends on this Indiana Jones movie.

How could we be so blind?! :(

[RedHal]

am I singling out this movie? There's a whole industry....

[Pirate Utopian]

Cate Blanchett was great as Bob Dylan in I'm Not There.

This new Indiana Jones movie is just Spielberg milking it out making a cheesy sequal in the form a flashy heap of special effects.

[Marsella]

am I singling out this movie? There's a whole industry....

Which is even more ludicrous - that all that is preventing revolution is Hollywood! :lol:

It's thoroughly idealistic of yourself to imagine that former slanders of 'Communist' Russia are going to prevent revolutions in other countries.

Workers will struggle against the system regardless. Whether they call themselves 'communists' or indeed, think that they are fighting for 'communism' is a completely different matter.

But its probably more harmful to the communist cause for communists to go on and on about the USSR than this 'decadent anti-communist propaganda.'

[Wanted Man]

Of course, it's obvious that there is plenty of anti-communist crapola in Hollywood, and that it probably encourages a very poor view of history. But a communist party really has its priorities wrong when it spends so much time denouncing a movie. At least, I have better things (bus drivers' strike, postal workers' strike, education reform, etc.) to write about than some movie.

But then again, that's just my view of things, maybe to Russians it's different because it insults them as a people. It's up to them to decide whether they feel insulted, and what they should do about it. I think that some comrades here are showing real privileged western arrogance when they say that Russian workers should bend over backwards and take it up the ass when rich Americans insult them in movies. Especially considering that many people on RevLeft have denounced American flag burning (http://www.revleft.com/vb/views-american-flag-t78152/index.html?t=78152&highlight=flag+burning) because directly attacking the US imperialist state might "offend American workers" and shows that you "hate freedom".

As for the film itself, I have yet to see it. I hope that it has the same stuff that made the other Indy movies so great, namely the awesome stunts and action scenes. Or maybe it will be like the Star Wars prequels with lots of graphic FX and little real content.

[Cheung Mo]

Lenin and Trotsky did not believe in Great Russian Nationalism.

[RedAnarchist]

I am getting sick of those Indiana Jones films. Not only are they utter crap, but they keep being mentioned everywhere in the media. Aren't they all the same shit anyway?

[Herman]

And you guys actually believe a socialist revolution is gonna happen in the US or any first world? Anti communist propaganda is shoved down everyones' throats and you guys have no problem with it. But of course your version of a socialist state is gonna be so different from the Soviet Union, and of course the masses will believe it when anti communism has been fed to them from birth

I have watched all of the Indiana Jones movies. I have them on DVD. They're all amazing and cool.

They have not stopped me from joining two socialist parties, and being a member at the same time.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Anti-soviet propaganda serves both the American right and the Russian right. Totally irrelevant to workers.


That's bullshit. Serving the right necessarily concerns workers.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I agree.

The complete future of the communist movement depends on this Indiana Jones movie.

How could we be so blind?! :(

You're being willfully obtuse. Nobody said anything of the sort.

[Marsella]

That's bullshit. Serving the right necessarily concerns workers.

It's a struggle between the egos of the ruling class.

What are you going to do to prevent this outrageous propaganda?

Torrent the movie?

[Marsella]

You're being willfully obtuse. Nobody said anything of the sort.

Yes I was being wilfully obtuse.

You, however, were just born stupid.

Now run along now little boy.

[Marsella]

I find it humerous that people adamently deny that video games or movies cause people to want to kill others and even more amusing when the same people think that fictional movies are going to prevent revolutions or aid right-wingers.

[Wanted Man]

You've been here for two years, and still you haven't discovered the "Edit post" function?

Anyway, both are wrong. Video games and movies don't cause people to want to kill others, and they also don't prevent revolutions. They don't 'aid' right-wingers, but just reinforce already existing prejudices.

[Justin CF]

To all ye who have been complaining about Hollywood having a capitalist slant:

During the height of the cold war, the US government was undoubtedly funding commie hating propaganda. But then, the cold war ended. At this point, any propaganda which is produced is a result of "the free market". This means that, in order for them to continue making anti-commie films, anti-commie films have to be popular. Therefore it is the people, not the state or the film industry, which are responsible for the propaganda being produced today.

This isn't an endorsement of the free-market principles, it's just the way things are.

[Wanted Man]

I dunno if it's that simple. It's more likely that people just want to see an Indy movie. And hey, it occurs 20 years after the original trilogy, so what better enemy is there? The bad guys might just as well have been cultists, neo-nazis, indian tribes or whatever. I don't think there's really a great demand for films with evil commies, they're just one out of a readily available heap of recognizable baddies.

[Justin CF]

I dunno if it's that simple. It's more likely that people just want to see an Indy movie. And hey, it occurs 20 years after the original trilogy, so what better enemy is there? The bad guys might just as well have been cultists, neo-nazis, indian tribes or whatever. I don't think there's really a great demand for films with evil commies, they're just one out of a readily available heap of recognizable baddies.Correct. My post was focusing on commies because that's what people are complaining about. I don't think that Hollywood focuses on communism a lot anymore, but if they did, that would be the reason.

Also, commies really do seem like the logical enemy for Indy during this time period.

[chimx]

I'll probably wait to give this movie a rent...

a tor-rent.

[Plagueround]

They're giving the writers too much credit if they think it's some sort of intentional slight against Russia. I have a feeling the conversation was more like this:

George Lucas: "So Steve, what should the Nazis do in this one?"

Steven Spielberg: "Um...George, the Nazis weren't around in 1957."

George: "Well, that give us two options then. Gungans or Commies."

Steven: "Jesus, George...Gungans again? Just write in Commies so we can get back to swimming in our giant pool of money."

George: "Ok, let me just squeeze in one more fart joke and I'll call it good for the day."

[YeOldeCommuniste]

I don't see why they're solely attacking the actors... I don't think Harrison Ford and Cate Blanchett (who is in no way a "second rate" actress, by the way), wrote the movie.

My friend bought tickets so I'm going with her later on today to see this, so I'll reply later on when I've actually seen the movie.

[Martin Blank]

(Spoiler below -- don't continue reading if you want to be "surprised" by the movie.)


Actually I didn't like the anti-communist slant, and a trailer I saw depicted the American flag waving in one scene, as if Indy was now a real American hero.

That said I will see this film. I like Harrison Ford , as Han or Indy and it reminds me of my youth.

As Lector actually dressed up like Indy one Halloween, bull whip and all, FTW

I wouldn't waste the money. The movie sucks. Two words: inter-dimensional aliens.

[Harrycombs]

(Spoiler below -- don't continue reading if you want to be "surprised" by the movie.)



I wouldn't waste the money. The movie sucks. Two words: inter-dimensional aliens.


Its not like the previous movies were any more ridiculous. :rolleyes:

I saw this movie today. It is awesome. See it! one of the best movies I have seen in a while. I didn't mind the anti-communist stuff. They were the easiest people to use to replace the Nazis. Its a great movie, and you should see it as soon as possible.

Also, there hasn't been communism in Russia since Stalin died. The Communist Party in Russia hasn't been communist in decades. So, they shouldn't be complaining.

[Lord Testicles]

After reading this thread I went out to the cinema and watched the movie, it was alright. The communists in it were typical "red scare" villans, "the KGB are everywere and they want to steal your mind" type thing, nothing to get worked up about. :rolleyes:

[Colonello Buendia]

This is stupid, I can't believe people are actively criticizing a fictitious story based in a time in the USSR no true Marxist would want to be associated with as a terrible attack on us by Teh Capitaliztzz. Going for the KGB and the Kruschevite USSR is the most logical way to go in the Indy saga. As someone has mentioned, these are classic villians of the 50's, infact the Indy films are essentially a parody of films in that time period. To anyone actually concerned about this film I would strongly suggest finding an important issue to defend.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

It's a struggle between the egos of the ruling class.

What are you going to do to prevent this outrageous propaganda?

Torrent the movie?

How does watching the propaganda prevent it? lol

I would hardly say there's a struggle here, but it's between the thoroughly right-wing American movie industry and workers everywhere whose interests are being wounded by the values promulgated by American movies, explicitly, as in this movie, and more subtly elsewhere. Don't underestimate the influence of propaganda. Have you ever met an American? Those guys are fucking brainwashed.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I find it humerous that people adamently deny that video games or movies cause people to want to kill others and even more amusing when the same people think that fictional movies are going to prevent revolutions or aid right-wingers.


Why do you think they make movies like that if not to aid right-wingers?

[3A CCCP]

Yes, the CPSU, the second largest party in the Duma, is complaining about 'insults' to its country in a movie. I think that it shows how relevant this party is to workers.

And very ironic calling Ford and Blanchett 'capitalist puppets' when the party has candidates whom are millionaire capitalists.

As always, which side is 'correct' is irrelevant to the working class but totally relevant to the patriotism that the CPSU wishes to stir up. Anti-soviet propaganda serves both the American right and the Russian right. Totally irrelevant to workers.

And, of course, the movie is fiction.

If the CPRF doesn't respond to insults and the rewriting of the country's history and defend it, who will? The NazBols? The debasing of a country by falsefying its history and teaching this to the youth is the first step in making sure the country has no future history!

Who are the millionaire capitalists that are in the CPRF? It would be interesting to see a list with the names and assets of these millionaire capitalist-Communists.

What makes you think you have any idea of what is relevant or irrelevant to the Russian/Soviet working class? Do you have some qualifications or experience in the Soviet Union or the present day Russian Federation or another former Soviet Republic?

3A CCCP!
Mikhail

[3A CCCP]

[quote=BeautifulAnarchy;1153635]Which is even more ludicrous - that all that is preventing revolution is Hollywood! :lol:

MY REPLY:
No, not just Hollywood. The television industry (including both the news stations and entertainment programs), radio, newspapers, and magazines all combine to brainwash and control the attitudes and beliefs of the American and Western public.

One movie is not going to do much by itself. But, multiply that by all of the above and you have a very effective propaganda machine.

3A CCCP!
Mikhail

[3A CCCP]

[quote=Wanted Man;1153642]Of course, it's obvious that there is plenty of anti-communist crapola in Hollywood, and that it probably encourages a very poor view of history. But a communist party really has its priorities wrong when it spends so much time denouncing a movie. At least, I have better things (bus drivers' strike, postal workers' strike, education reform, etc.) to write about than some movie.

MY REPLY:
One article doesn't strike me as spending an inordinate amount of time denouncing this movie!

3A CCCP!
Mikhail

[3A CCCP]

To all ye who have been complaining about Hollywood having a capitalist slant:

During the height of the cold war, the US government was undoubtedly funding commie hating propaganda. But then, the cold war ended. At this point, any propaganda which is produced is a result of "the free market". This means that, in order for them to continue making anti-commie films, anti-commie films have to be popular. Therefore it is the people, not the state or the film industry, which are responsible for the propaganda being produced today.

This isn't an endorsement of the free-market principles, it's just the way things are.

However, the people in the West have been brainwashed to hate Communism since the Great October in 1917 in school, on TV, over the radio, in newspapers and magazines (and by movies!). So, it would follow that anti-Communist movies would appeal to them despite the fact that the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact no longer exist.

And, don't think for a minute that Washington doesn't encourage this stuff even if they don't have a propaganda program as they had in the fifties, sixties, and seventies.

3A CCCP!
Mikhail

[Plagueround]

Why do you think they make movies like that if not to aid right-wingers?

So George Lucas and Steven Spielberg's great-great-great grandchildren are millionaires upon birth? I honestly think they chose the USSR as the villains because they were the closest thing the U.S. had to an enemy in that time period and not because of some secret plan to get people to hate communism.

[Dr Mindbender]

Patriot Games, which also featured Harrison Ford had a very anti-irish republican anti-IRA slant.

Perhaps Mr Ford is the reactionary hero of choice for tinseltown? :confused:

[Pirate Utopian]

Why do you think they make movies like that if not to aid right-wingers?
Because it's easy. Why fuck around and come up with a logical storyline when you just wanna make a quick actionmovie?
I seriously dont think Spielberg gave two shits about politics when making the movie.

[jossfritz]

"
The Communist Party’s ideology committee in Russia’s secondlargest city saw red over the plot." That IS good writing though.

[Bright Banana Beard]

lol @ those who felt insulted, then you are a revisionist. :)

[Marsella]

"It's rubbish," said Sergei Malinkovich, a leader for the St. Peterburg Communist Party. "In 1957 the Communists did not run with crystal skulls throughout the U.S. Why should we agree to that sort of lie and let the West trick our youth?"

Well you don't fucking say, Einstein?

But no!

The revisionism of what history actually is!

It's a fucking movie you imbecile and no one is going to be 'tricked' into believing that Communists ran through America with crystal skulls.

[Justin CF]

Just saw the film. I noticed that the communists in this one were portrayed a bit differently than the Nazis in the last three films. The Nazis were just a general enemy, and the reasons why the were evil were never really discussed. In this movie, the communists are associated with mind-control in a rather heavy-handed metaphor. There's even a piece of dialog which basically spells it out for the viewer (if you've seen the movie, you'll know what I'm talking about).

Still, I don't think it's anything to freak out over.

[3A CCCP]

"It's rubbish," said Sergei Malinkovich, a leader for the St. Peterburg Communist Party. "In 1957 the Communists did not run with crystal skulls throughout the U.S. Why should we agree to that sort of lie and let the West trick our youth?"

Well you don't fucking say, Einstein?

But no!

The revisionism of what history actually is!

It's a fucking movie you imbecile and no one is going to be 'tricked' into believing that Communists ran through America with crystal skulls.


First of all, are you capable of posting a message without name calling and foul language?

Secondly, Sergei Malinkovich is not an imbecile, but the head of the Leningrad (St. Petersburg) branch of the CPRF. What are you in charge of? Your computer?

Thirdly, you state the obvious when you say that nobody is going to be tricked into believing Communists ran through America with crystal skulls. However, the myth that the Communists are the bad guys is reinforced.

3A CCCP!
Mikhail

[Justin CF]

And, don't think for a minute that Washington doesn't encourage this stuff even if they don't have a propaganda program as they had in the fifties, sixties, and seventies.Honestly, I don't think that communism presents a threat to the US at this point in time. If it did, they would probably be encouraging (and even directly supporting) the production of more propaganda.

On a side note, I also noticed a lot of anti-McCarthyism sentiment going on in the film. Indy himself is even suspected of being a red (oh no!).

[bcbm]

However, the myth that the Communists are the bad guys is reinforced.Well, in 1957 after having crushed worker's uprisings in East Berlin and the Hungary with violent force, I would say they were the bad guys. And perhaps they were not running around with skulls, but I doubt the KGB and various national intelligence agencies in the USSR were doing a great many wonderful things.

[gla22]

I have no love for the USSR 1950's. Stalin betrayed the revolution. And again, it is just a movie.

[3A CCCP]

Well, in 1957 after having crushed worker's uprisings in East Berlin and the Hungary with violent force, I would say they were the bad guys. And perhaps they were not running around with skulls, but I doubt the KGB and various national intelligence agencies in the USSR were doing a great many wonderful things.

Your "workers' uprisings" were CIA instigated counter-revolutions similar to the more recent "color revolutions" in former Soviet Republics that were financed and aided by Washington's intelligence agencies!

I was told that the American left, for the most part, was a hopeless morass of social democrats and pseudo Communists. Judging by what I've read in my short tenure on this list, it seems like this is correct. But, it still baffles me how the left in the U.S. is so willing to believe the re-written U.S. version of history and so willing to attack anything to do with the first Socialist state, the Soviet Union.

What have you American leftists done to eliminate the capitalist system in the U.S.? NOTHING!

Yes, we had a Socialist state and lost it due to revisionism and mistakes. But, the American left never accomplished anything, but the display of a penchant for criticism, finger pointing, and holier than thou pronouncements which continue to this day. (Especially, by people not old enough to have been in kindergarten during the counter-revolution of 1991.)

The American capitalist corporate masters controlled, control, and will continue to control and exploit the working class in the United States, while the American Left continues to debate, criticize, and, in general, do nothing!

3A CCCP!
Mikhail







3A CCCP!
Mikhail

[Module]

You've been here for two years, and still you haven't discovered the "Edit post" function?

Anyway, both are wrong. Video games and movies don't cause people to want to kill others, and they also don't prevent revolutions. They don't 'aid' right-wingers, but just reinforce already existing prejudices.
God damn it. I just wrote a really long reply but bloody RevLeft logged me out and bloody Internet Explorer deleted my message.
Here is a summary, anyway :(

Indiana Jones is not trying to put across any serious moral message. It's pure American pop culture, and always has been.
The exotic foreign royalty who treats their guests to chilled monkey brains, the savage tribes who worship magic rocks and pull out people's hearts, the fussy, weak, irrational female who needs a strong sensible man to put her in her place,
It's xenophobic, it's sexist, it's racist, above all it's unashamed and it's all an exaggerated reflection of American pop culture, which is also, as everybody, including the Communist Part of St Petersberg I assume, knows is anti-Soviet Russia.

Russian women have been in a lot of Western movies - They're considered sexier because they're 'the enemy'.

The fact that the Communist Party of St Petersburg took this so seriously is practically embarrassing. As alluded to by BeautifulAnarchy, communists should stop making such a fuss about the American lies about the USSR, and just get on with their lives; advance communism, and the class struggle in the here and now, and stop dwelling on the misrepresentations of the Soviet Union. The workers don't care, and no doubt they won't be leaving the cinema thinking they've learnt some sort of political lesson.
Indiana Jones is pure intellectual junk food, but it hasn't claimed to be anything other than that!!

[Lector Malibu]

I am getting sick of those Indiana Jones films. Not only are they utter crap, but they keep being mentioned everywhere in the media. Aren't they all the same shit anyway?

That would be the James bond Films

[An archist]

Secondly, Sergei Malinkovich is not an imbecile, but the head of the Leningrad (St. Petersburg) branch of the CPRF.

Is that the same party who attacked the gay pride parade some time ago? I'm not too familiar with Russian politics.

[Bilan]

It's a shit movie, written by asses.
The USSR is merely a boogie man to the US, or, was. It's nothing particularly out of the ordinary.
There are also aliens in this. I hardly think extra terrestrials are going to ban Ford from Space because of this.

[La Comédie Noire]

It was just a bad movie that failed to capture the magic of the other three. I don't think it was purposley anti - soviet or communist. In fact there are parts where the characters seem to have nothing but utter contempt for Mccarthyism.

Most people today believe communism is dead anyways even the ruling class doesn't see it as anything more than historical trivia.

[careyprice31]

Yes, the CPSU, the second largest party in the Duma, is complaining about 'insults' to its country in a movie. I think that it shows how relevant this party is to workers.

And very ironic calling Ford and Blanchett 'capitalist puppets' when the party has candidates whom are millionaire capitalists.

As always, which side is 'correct' is irrelevant to the working class but totally relevant to the patriotism that the CPSU wishes to stir up. Anti-soviet propaganda serves both the American right and the Russian right. Totally irrelevant to workers.

And, of course, the movie is fiction.

I agree 100%.

I might also like to add that India got very upset with Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, claiming it to be racist. of course their fears werent all that crazy, even my mother believed that Indians ate snakes and monkeys (they dont, most Indian people are Hindu and as such are vegetarians)

Im not surprised Russian "communists" would be upset about this movie. In a way its typical making enemy out of russia cold war thing, when actually both sides were responsible for starting the cold war. It wasnt just one side or the other. It was both.

but its just a fictional story, and in the 50's soviets were the most logical enemies to use at the time, like the Nazis, the Russians and the Cold War are well known all over the world. I really dont think they meant to offend anyone, or play around with right wing america politics they just wanted to make a good story, and like the other Indy stories, its partly and loosely based on historical reality. aka the skulls of the ancient Mayans, the cold war, etc.

Sergey Malinkov - whatever his last name is - should really grow up and go help some workers. It would be a better use of his time.

[RedAnarchist]

That would be the James bond Films

Those are even worse than the IJ films.

[Kropotesta]

Those are even worse than the IJ films.
Sing it brotha!

[Edelweiss]

The CP Russia should care less about stupid Hollywood movies, and more about their total failure as an oppositional party, their homophobic and anti-semitic agenda.

[bcbm]

Your "workers' uprisings" were CIA instigated counter-revolutions similar to the more recent "color revolutions" in former Soviet Republics that were financed and aided by Washington's intelligence agencies!

Strange the CIA would be able to get mass uprisings going where actual worker's councils and organs of worker power were formed. I mean, clearly that doesn't indicate any sort of mass displeasure with the system to begin with, and I suppose workers actually having power is a bit antithetical to the "revolutionary" bureaucracy.



I was told that the American left, for the most part, was a hopeless morass of social democrats and pseudo Communists. Judging by what I've read in my short tenure on this list, it seems like this is correct. But, it still baffles me how the left in the U.S. is so willing to believe the re-written U.S. version of history and so willing to attack anything to do with the first Socialist state, the Soviet Union.

Yeah, we're all a bunch of spineless liberals because we have no interest in the condemnations of a Hollywood film by a bunch of homophobic nationalists, nor defending the complete degeneration of the USSR by well before the period covered in the film. Your logic is foolproof.

I have defended aspects of the USSR elsewhere in this board, but it doesn't get a "Get out of jail free" card because it has "socialist" in its name. :rolleyes:


What have you American leftists done to eliminate the capitalist system in the U.S.? NOTHING!

Yes, we had a Socialist state and lost it due to revisionism and mistakes. But, the American left never accomplished anything, but the display of a penchant for criticism, finger pointing, and holier than thou pronouncements which continue to this day.

Yeah, we are just sitting around with our thumbs up our asses, not organizing or being involved in all sorts of things. Sorry we haven't been as "successful" as the glorious USSR in establishing a complete failed bureaucratic police state, but to say we've done and are doing nothing is rubbish.


(Especially, by people not old enough to have been in kindergarten during the counter-revolution of 1991.)

Yeah, its too bad we can't remember the glory days and succumb to the idiotic nostalgia that seems to accompany it.

[3A CCCP]

Strange the CIA would be able to get mass uprisings going where actual worker's councils and organs of worker power were formed. I mean, clearly that doesn't indicate any sort of mass displeasure with the system to begin with, and I suppose workers actually having power is a bit antithetical to the "revolutionary" bureaucracy.

"Mass uprisings" is more than an exagerration.

Yeah, we're all a bunch of spineless liberals because we have no interest in the condemnations of a Hollywood film by a bunch of homophobic nationalists, nor defending the complete degeneration of the USSR by well before the period covered in the film. Your logic is foolproof.

I'm glad you admit to being a spineless liberal. I admit that you parrot anti-Soviet, American propaganda very well.

I have defended aspects of the USSR elsewhere in this board, but it doesn't get a "Get out of jail free" card because it has "socialist" in its name. :rolleyes:

I find it hard to believe that you would defend the USSR on this board or anywhere else.

Yeah, we are just sitting around with our thumbs up our asses, not organizing or being involved in all sorts of things. Sorry we haven't been as "successful" as the glorious USSR in establishing a complete failed bureaucratic police state, but to say we've done and are doing nothing is rubbish.

You're correct about sitting around with your thumbs in your lower orifices, but display the typical ignorance of a brainwashed American regarding what the Soviet Union was about.

Yeah, its too bad we can't remember the glory days and succumb to the idiotic nostalgia that seems to accompany it.
Yes, it truly is a shame that you couldn't have lived there at least for a few years. Your opinion would be quite different and you wouldn't be spouting this nonsense if you had.

3A CCCP!
Mikhail

[Vendetta]

This is stupid, it's a movie. Meant to entertain.

And yeah, considering it's set during the 50s, I doubt there was a bigger enemy/competitor/rival/etc (being the Soviet Union) towards America at the time.

Off of that beat, the movie rocked. Was a bit cheesy in the beginning, but became the Indy that I knew and loved as a kid.

[bezdomni]

I think it is interesting to note that while Indiana Jones is being pursued by the Soviets because he has knowledge that they want, he is being politically attacked by the U.S. government.

Indiana Jones is no more of an anti-communist movie than Red Alert is an anti-communist video game. It's not politically perfect, but it's a movie made in the U.S....what do you expect?

[bcbm]

"Mass uprisings" is more than an exagerration.

Yeah, sending in the tanks for a few CIA operatives seems the more reasonable explanation.


I'm glad you admit to being a spineless liberal. I admit that you parrot anti-Soviet, American propaganda very well.

So the modern CP isn't any of those things? You're in a fantasy world.


I find it hard to believe that you would defend the USSR on this board or anywhere else.

Well, the message board is searchable, so feel free to do research for yourself any time you please.



You're correct about sitting around with your thumbs in your lower orifices, but display the typical ignorance of a brainwashed American regarding what the Soviet Union was about.


I know my history, thanks. Sorry you don't like my views, but as an anarchist I am not going to pull any punches on any state and will point out any and all failings, and there are plenty to choose from.


Yes, it truly is a shame that you couldn't have lived there at least for a few years. Your opinion would be quite different and you wouldn't be spouting this nonsense if you had.

Yeah, people of my political persuasion were rather well regarded there, so it would've been grand. Or would I have just ended up completely unable to be critical of a shit state with a shit economy that lost all relevance to socialism well before 1957?

[3A CCCP]

[/b]Yeah, sending in the tanks for a few CIA operatives seems the more reasonable explanation.

That's quite a moronic statement. But, I suppose it should be considered reasonable coming from you.

So the modern CP isn't any of those things? You're in a fantasy world.

I believe we are talking about the Soviet Union of the 1950s, not the CPRF. And, it would seem that you are the one caught up in the fantasy of his own little anti-Soviet prejudices.

Well, the message board is searchable, so feel free to do research for yourself any time you please.

I wouldn't waste my time.


I know my history, thanks. Sorry you don't like my views, but as an anarchist I am not going to pull any punches on any state and will point out any and all failings, and there are plenty to choose from.

Yes, you are well versed in the bourgeois, American version of history.

Yeah, people of my political persuasion were rather well regarded there, so it would've been grand. Or would I have just ended up completely unable to be critical of a shit state with a shit economy that lost all relevance to socialism well before 1957?

I guess people of your "political persuasion" prefer to remain ignorant. Yes, your above statements evince total ignorance of the Soviet Union.

3A CCCP!
Mikhail

[KC]

I don't see why they are so outraged by this movie. If anything, they should be thankful to Spielberg and Lucas for making such a steaming pile of shit.

Seriously, what a terrible movie. There is absolutely no way they could have made this movie worse; it's an embarrassment.

[AK-1917]

Just saw the movie and I have to say, it's total crap. All of the soviets in the movie are obviously depicted as being Cruel, Stupid, Incapable and Brutish. Add that to the fact that it is extremely popular right now, and I think the CPRF has a right to be pissed.

Currently Russia is ruled by oligarchs and criminals, and most Russians look very favorably on their soviet past. And when some garbage western Movie comes along and disses that past, I'd be a little angry.

[Louis Pio]

Currently Russia is ruled by oligarchs and criminals

Many of whom also ran the country prior to 1991, it's striking how easily they transformed themselves into capitalists.
Anyway I think Zhuganov and his party could use their time better than focusing on Indiana Jones. A good idea could maybe be to stop running millionaries and making a mockery of the bolshevics by resorting to crude "great russian chauvinism"?

[Digitalism]

Well at least Spielberg has shown our intelligence in a good light. :cool:

1. USSR found out about a secret ufo with aliens hidden in the depths of the amazons
2. found a way to buy out Indy's best friend.
3. captured Indy somewhere in south america, surely a feat, knowing Indy :laugh:
4. understood the capabilities of the crystal skull
5. captured two archeologists! (you'd have to FIND about them in the first place, hehe, the KGB knew how to work eh? :lol: )
6. moved over a ton of technology + soldiers to Peru unseen!
7. Found out about, and seized Area 51!
8. Fought til the end
9. Easily moved around from place to place in the U.S. without being caught
10. and finally, to be able to get through to a secret base with nuclear testing, during those years, not an easy feat!

Thank Spielberg for that!

Above all that, let's not forget, this film is FAR from being REALISTIC. Indy films have always been about entertainment. Come on, it's not a Michal Mann film!

[black magick hustla]

Now, c'mon, I saw the movie today and they weren't particularly terrible about the soviets. I mean, they just showed a superstate pursuing its geopolitical interests (the soviets looking for the crystal skull). They weren't pursuing mass genocide or anything similar. In fact, they only killed a few american cops and the indians (the latter in self-defense). Besides its a terrible movie, and any communist party that promotes the banning of the movie is full of shit.

[3A CCCP]

Many of whom also ran the country prior to 1991, it's striking how easily they transformed themselves into capitalists.
Anyway I think Zhuganov and his party could use their time better than focusing on Indiana Jones. A good idea could maybe be to stop running millionaries and making a mockery of the bolshevics by resorting to crude "great russian chauvinism"?

Again someone brings up the "millionaire Communists" of the CPRF. Could you please list these people, their assets, and your source of information?

By the way, it's ZYUGANOV (ЗЮГАНОВ), not ZHUGANOV (ЖУГАНОВ).

3A CCCP!
Mikhail

[Louis Pio]

Just from the top of my head Sergei Sobko comes to mind, as you might know he's member of the Duma for CPRF and general director of Sobko coroperation http://www.sobko.ru/english/parts.php?106
It's a bit strange you don't know about the fuzz in the party over running people like him considering it's quite wellknown that not all feel it to be very "communist".
Btw to top it of he's also Chairman of the Russian Christian-Social movement, dunno what that is though.

[Peacekeeper]

Well done, CPRF.

[Killer Enigma]

Come on, it's not a Michal Mann film!
I think you mean Michael Bay. FAIL.

[Digitalism]

I think you mean Michael Bay. FAIL.

Uhh. No. Michael MANN film. Michael Bay doesn't make "Realistic" films. YOU FAIL.

[Plagueround]

I saw the film today. The only thing offensive to me was the cutsey CGI prairie dogs. :laugh:

[Module]

I saw the movie yesterday, too. No, they weren't too horrible about the Russians,
But it's funny that you mention Red Alert, SovietPants, because this movie featured the Russians wanting to take over the world using mind control, and so did 'Yuri's Revenge' (...the expansion pack. >_>) and when I saw it, I immediately thought that idea must've been taken from the game, ;) though that seems to be the very typical anti-communist feeling when it comes to the US; if the people of a nation don't agree with the US, they've been brainwashed.

And did anybody notice that line from Cate Blanchett's character; "We'll make the schools teach the true version of history,". I think that was a little reinforcement of the 'honesty' of the US anti-Soviet Russia.

Plagueround, I can think of a few more offensive things about that movie;

The presense of something as cringe-worthy as aliens and a flying saucer,
The action scenes being moved along by a long series of unlikely conveniences,
The cheesy jocks/greasers pop culture reference
Indie discovering Mutt was his son.
And this little piece of dialogue;

"I'm sure you've had many women after me"
"Yeah but they all had the same problem"
"What was that?"
"They weren't you, honey."
Absolutely insane.
Oh, and one more thing,
What the hell is Cate Blanchett doing being married to Andrew Upton?! Absolutely criminal!