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Stormin Norman
7th September 2002, 06:39
European Anti-Americanism

Those of you who took the time to read my experience in Canada will remember the anti-American sentiment that I found to be deplorable north of the border. Of course, our brothers to the north have only a mild case of this disease, as they realize who brings home the bacon on this side of the hemisphere. Therefore, they can not appear overly critical for fear of straining relations with a country that they are dependent on.

Unfortunately, this is not true in the rest of the world. Tonight I read an article in Harper's Magazine entitled "Le Divorce", by Nicholas Fraser. The main question posed by Fraser was; "Do Europe and America have irreconcilable differences?” The article was full of further examples of European's disgust with the American people, most of it lacking any logical reason. The criticisms were generic complaints; many of which I have heard espoused on this very website. It seems that these snot-nosed elitists in Europe are obsessed with America, if for nothing else to bash them with their popular media. Fraser cites many examples of poorly done foreign films, T.V. sitcoms, The Guardian publication, and countless prominent figures in European culture that routinely engage in this type of ridicule. I found the general lack of respect for the 'hyperpower' of the world to be a bit disconcerting at times, if not alarming. These stuck up bastards are supposed to be our allies. Talking to them on the streets would lead anyone to the conclusion that they are our bitter enemies, soured by years of rivalry, a formerly friendly rivalry that has been marked by their inferiority to the American way of doing things. It seems as if the European's continued losses in this game have led them to an unthinking hatred for the American lifestyle. At times, it was hard to distinguish European cynicism from the hatred espoused by Islamic Fundamentalists, based on what Fraser wrote in his column.

Just when the article becomes too overbearing and I am on the edge of shear violence, a breath of fresh air calms me back to a normal state. Finally, in Fraser's trip throughout Europe, he talked with a prominent figure that had great respect for us Americans, a former Canadian to my surprise. The man known as Lord Black of Crossharbour, Conrad Black, is also one of the more conservative members of the House of Lords. I found myself liking this guy for two reasons. First, because he renounced his Canadian citizenship. Secondly, since he had nothing but criticism for the fools in Europe that hold such views of Americans. He had an excellent reason that accounts for such nonsense.

I found myself agreeing with this Englishman, who said, "You have to take a long view. In two hundred years America has gone from being a colony barely larger than Great Baltimore to the status of uncontested world power. Start from the premise that anti-Americanism is a terrible and classic, conventional case of envy - and the envy is hidden behind a posture of moral disapproval. It's so easy to blame Americans for having everything. Even the British are not immune to such feelings." This has been my suspicion for some time, and it is compelling to hear the words spoken by a Brit. The article concludes by noting some of the less than desirable aspects of European living and goes on the state, "whatever one chooses to think of George Bush and his Great Crusades, it is hard to see how Europe can be presented as any sort of model for the rest of the world." Slam-dunk; for everyone already knows that it is our system of rule and way of life that is the example of a 'shining city on a hill' for the rest of the world to try to duplicate.

Finally, this article left me wondering if the Europeans openly admit to such hatred of America, why should we seek their approval for implementing a regime change in Iraq. Aren't we seeking the approval of a collection of people who secretly laughed at the fall of our World Trade Towers? Aren't we seeking the permission of Nation-States who would enjoy nothing more than the collapse of the American political machine, so they can compare our downfall with that of Rome? Europe, who needs them? We should act unilaterally, and make those wimps consider how secure they are in their ability to maintain legitimate power outside of the influence of the Juggernaut that is the U.S..

Source: Harper's Magazine September 2002

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 6:40 pm on Sep. 7, 2002)

jon doe
7th September 2002, 08:13
G'day


why should we seek their {europe's} approval for implementing a regime change in Iraq


yes i agree totaly why ask the europeans when you could ask the Iraqi's instead????? (oh sorry you probably don't want to talk to "islamic fundementalists" only christian fundementialists)


-r.

Stormin Norman
7th September 2002, 08:38
Actually I prefer not to engage in conversation with any type of religious fanatic.

jon doe
7th September 2002, 08:54
G'day

How about the non-fanatic average citisen's of iraq?


-r.

Stormin Norman
7th September 2002, 10:30
I would love to talk to some of them. That way I could gauge the common Iraqi's feelings about having a corrupt dictator as a leader. America in general would also be an interesting topic. Democratic rule, social contract theory, and a free market system would most definitely come up in the conversation. If you see any Iraqis that are allowed to visit a site such as Che-Lives please let me know, as I would enjoy a complete discussion with them.

LOIC
7th September 2002, 11:49
Stormin Norman, you judge europeans just with an article in an american newspaper. Maybe you should talk with some europeans or read europeans newspapers to have a good judgement.
Personnally, I really hate the american government but I don't hate american people.
But you seems to hate europeans people.
You talk like your government: "we are better than any other country so we do what we want anywhere in the world and if you don't like it, fuck of".
That's this way of thinking that a lot of people in the world, not only europeans, hate.
So don't be surprise: you reap what you sow.
US government scorn the rest of the world and so the rest of the world just do the same.

Smoking Frog II
7th September 2002, 13:13
Listen to him, Norman, you bastard. You wank too hard

Storman Normin
7th September 2002, 13:28
I don't need to talk to people to understand World Politics, you see, My fatherland owns the news, so you european bastards have to believe everything you hear or see HAHAHAHAHA!
confess, inferiors, confess to crimes you have not committed.

KILLL KILL KILL KILL KILL the poor
KILLL KILL KILL KILL KILL the poor
KILLL KILL KILL KILL KILL the poor
tonight!

LOIC
7th September 2002, 15:36
stormAn normIn???

Storman Normin
7th September 2002, 16:14
Yes, Loic, the true general.

Obey orders and we'll get along just fine.

LOIC
7th September 2002, 18:15
You are a really funny person.
Continue to be what you are: a buffoon.

pastradamus
7th September 2002, 19:06
This is a retarded topic.

Storman Normin
7th September 2002, 20:17
Yes. And that is precisely why I am here to take power from Stormin Norman.

Also, no-one has guessed who I am yet...

Ha Ha Ha. Pathetic Human Race

Capitalist Imperial
7th September 2002, 21:50
Again,a wonderful dissertation by SN on Europe's (and Canada's) emerging class envy, power envy, and ideological envy toward the United States.

Thats what happens when nations that have existed for thousands of years become a lap dog to the 200 year-old new kid on the block.

Just concede you inferiority to our way of life, and all will be well.

Give in to your hatred.

BTW, what is up with European hygene? You know, there is deoderant, soap, and shampoo on the market nowadays.

At least the deoderant, please!

Oh, and tell your women to shave their pits and legs!

Damn nasty!

I Bow 4 Che
7th September 2002, 21:54
^that is one of the WORST stereotypes....

Capitalist Imperial
7th September 2002, 22:50
Its not a stereptype, it is how they practice hygene!

Although I admit younger generations of europeans, particularly western europe, are coming around to the american style of personal hygene.

You know, soap, water, showering every day instead of every 3 days to a week.

You know, the fundamentals.


Eastern europeans, we still have some work to do.
Younger people always pick up things quicker.

vox
8th September 2002, 03:13
"Oh, and tell your women to shave their pits and legs!"

CI gives us here a perfect example of how men view women. Men "tell" women, who they own ("your women"), what to do. Further, what exactly is a woman supposed to do? Please CI, of course, whose aesthetic seems to be offended!

Once again, we're presented with a situation in which male entitlement is the only concern. Women are to conform to a male definition of what a woman should do, what a woman should be, how a woman should behave. This is the key to understanding the patriarchal values that have been incorporated into the capitalist class system.

CI presents a world in which men dominate women. The class of women is second-class, subservient to men even in what they do with their own bodies. Like I mentioned in the thread about prostitution, this is how the world sees the whore: she is there for use by men. She is defined by men and dominated by men.

This is how men see women, as CI makes explicitly clear.

When I talk about misogyny on this board, this is exactly the kind of garbage-thinking to which I'm referring.

vox

Lardlad95
8th September 2002, 03:59
Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 9:50 pm on Sep. 7, 2002
Again,a wonderful dissertation by SN on Europe's (and Canada's) emerging class envy, power envy, and ideological envy toward the United States.

Thats what happens when nations that have existed for thousands of years become a lap dog to the 200 year-old new kid on the block.

Just concede you inferiority to our way of life, and all will be well.

Give in to your hatred.

BTW, what is up with European hygene? You know, there is deoderant, soap, and shampoo on the market nowadays.

At least the deoderant, please!

Oh, and tell your women to shave their pits and legs!

Damn nasty!



Why do you think they are jealous?

If they really were envious wouldn't they all be fighting to either move here or conform to the American Culture?

But no you don't see that.

Oh but wait they have to much pride to do that right? Deep down they really wanna be like us.

You are just like those people who say terroists are jealous of American Freedom.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe someone just doesn't like this country not out of jealousy but because they just don't like us?