why stormin norman is hated so much

[new democracy]

stormin norman(note that didn't call you a moron in this thread) asked why is he heted so much here. well here is the answer: let say that you start to believe in some religion. now let say that someone say that your religion is the same as nazism. wouldn't you be realy mad? now how do you expect not to be hated here?


Quote: from Stormin Norman on 11:39 pm on Sep. 1, 2002
Nazism and communism are similar in many ways, mostly their ability to kill millions and illegitimately use power to instill fear and remain in control of a population. So if Nazis can't be tolerated, why should you communists tolerate yourselves. You claim to be oppossed to mass murder and racism, yet you justify this same type of behavior when it comes to communist ideology. Does that make you a hypocrit? I think it does.

If you disagree, explain why not. Don't just tell me that you are not a Stalinists, for that would be a weak defense. I am not telling you that you are a Stalinist, but rather making the assertion that communism will always have these characteristics when supported by a strong enough faction to implement such measures. History has proven this to be true. What makes you think that it will be different this time?

now when you tell all this people that their beliefs are the same as nazism, do you expect them to be nice to you? when in your dictionary socialism means allot of dead people, even when it come to social-capitalism(social democracy) which from the start don't think about changing things, you expect people here to be nice? first of all, be honest. do you realy think that the ussr, cuba, china, vietnam and other communist nations are the societies that marx wanted? this societies are the practice of marx ideas, but not the thing he desired. my capitalist mother can admit that the idea of communism is nobel but became a nightmare. i am against communism because it is a caricature of its promisees, it is undemocratic, and it is capitalism under state control. but the people that believe it, well maybe except maoist3 and the stalinists, are people who want a better world. you are despise communism without saying something like:"guys, your intentions are good but you saw what happened in practice". and don't say something like "you despise capitalism", because it is not an ideology but an economic system that don't go with true democracy. capitalism is not an ideology because i never saw a book like "capitalist manifesto" "the foundation of capitalism" or something like that. i am a good friend of ak because he can admit that the idea of communism was good. you wondered why people here hate you so much. it is like me going into a nazi forum, telling everybody that i am jewish, and than wonder why i am hated there so much. now you understand?

[Xvall]

That, and possibly the fact that he calls for the destruction and death of every communist and anti-capitalist in the universe.

[marxistdisciple]

"America is a peaceful country" - George W. Bush

People hate him because he stands for everything we dislike - deliberately. He just tries to piss everyone off. He is probably John Ashcroft in disguise in fact.

We all know that socialism is about putting people before money. In fact virtually anyone I explain the principles behind capitalism to, agrees that it is not in the best interests of people (or are too stubborn to think objectively about it.)

SN is so full of bullshit that it spills out the sides of his argument as naturally as his SUV drinks gasoline. He is a living, breathing (possibly walking, if he doesnt drive everywhere,) architypal, incarnate version of 'god bless' American arrogance. His brain is wired in such a way that every argument must pass before his ego, for vetting to the cognitive part. It only gets that far if it pledges aligience to the USA however. :)

[boadicea88]

Great posts, comrades.
I think that the fact that he plainly cares only for himself and his family, and not for anyone else or theirs, undoubtably has something to do with his being hated. For instance, his thread "Another dead commie: who cares?". Just from the title, you can see his mentality. You can also see the effect that thread would have on commies, or anyone with a heart. *GRRRRR* that still makes me mad... :angry:

[suffianr]

Yeah, he often sounds like he hates communism more than he loves capitalism. But he's not an idiot, he's actually quite a smart person. That's partly why he's gone. It's just the silly cappies who just stay on and piss everyone off.

[Capitalist Imperial]

good try suffianr, but i'm not leaving

fuck the rest of you, too

[Pinko]

[Stormin Moron]
"Nazism and communism are similar in many ways, mostly their ability to kill millions and illegitimately use power to instill fear and remain in control of a population. So if Nazis can't be tolerated, why should you communists tolerate yourselves. You claim to be oppossed to mass murder and racism, yet you justify this same type of behavior when it comes to communist ideology. Does that make you a hypocrit? I think it does."

The US has killed millions and uses fear to control its population, you are a hypocrite.
Just because communism has never been properly implemented on a large scale in the world (I know some stalinists and maoists will want my head for that statement, but fuck 'em) it doesnt mean that it is a wrong or unworkable system. Hell, capitalism hasn't been properly implemented, it has always been restrained by governments trying to provide its citizens with at least an air of freedom.

I dislike Stormin' (I try not to hate, it leads to blindness) because he is a bigotted prat with a bigger dose of dogma up his arse than the pope. His blindness to logic makes me dislike and pity him/her/it.

[Anonymous]

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(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 1:03 am on Sep. 6, 2002)

[Action]

I hate Stormin Norman because he has patronized Smoking Frog II in the past. I need 2 lefties to take on SN in a 3-a-side debate with him and two of his buddies [who'll be hard to find.]

[Moskitto]

Today when I was paddling I realised something.

When Stormin Norman "left" he left each member a message. When I read my one I thought "neah, this guy doesn't understand what I've said." However, looking back at what he said he was right, and I didn't realise it, Stormin Norman knew me better than I knew myself. I really need to talk to my dad.

[anti machine]

Oh come on now, I think the cappies are good for this site, especially limited only to this forum. It makes for some great arguments. We shouldnt hate these guys, they have balls. They stick it out even when we humiliate them to the extreme. I rather respect Capitalist Imperial, and American Kid is some funny shit. Can't we all just tolerate eachother?

[Stormin Norman]

do you realy think that the ussr, cuba, china, vietnam and other communist nations are the societies that marx wanted? this societies are the practice of marx ideas, but not the thing he desired. my capitalist mother can admit that the idea of communism is nobel but became a nightmare.

Yes, I do think that Marx was intelligent enough to know the necessary outcome of his requirements for a communist state. Marx lived a failed life and sought to reduce the rest of humanity to his level. A disgraceful man is somebody who seeks to crush the human spirit, and I believe that was the purpose behind his ideas. Furthermore, it appears Marxism is as great a threat to my freedom and security as Islamic fundamentalism, even today. By the way, your mother is a fool. I would never concede to such a point. Communism is nothing more than a vile creation, no matter how much it is dressed up behind the guise of altruism.

[vox]

"Marx lived a failed life and sought to reduce the rest of humanity to his level."

Care to provide any quotes from Marx to back up that wee bit of nonsense, SN?

Didn't think so.

vox

[Stormin Norman]

Thanks for putting words in my mouth, you fuck. As a matter of fact I would care to respond. I will give you facts, not quotes. If you like look them up for yourself.

Marx was a piss poor husband and father. He was so obsessed with his nonsense that his devotion to his work made it impossible for him to provide for his family. Somebody else paid his bills for him. Of course, such a sorry sack of shit would have to rely on charity to provide for his family. In addition, he never even finished the work that consumed his life and resulted in him abandoning his family. Engels had to finish Capital for him. What a fucking loser.

Source: Some biography that I read once.

By the way, it was favorable to Marx and I hated it. What a dull read to learn about such a sad sack. However, since many fanatics like Vox exist in the world it remains important to educate one's self about the enemies persppective. Perhaps one day I will even read the Quran, for similar reasons.

[vox]

In your response to me, you talked about Marx. However, in your original post, which I quoted, you wrote, "Marx lived a failed life and sought to reduce the rest of humanity to his level. A disgraceful man is somebody who seeks to crush the human spirit, and I believe that was the purpose behind his ideas."

So, originally, you said that Marx's ideas were put forth in order to crush the human spirit. I asked if you could give examples from Marx's writings to prove this outrageous lie. Instead, you wrote, briefly, about the man rather than the ideas you originally blamed!

Again, SN, your days of changing the subject and revisionist history are OVER.

Now, can you give some quotes or just bluster like a dittohead?

vox

[Smoking Frog II]

Only Norm is a sack of shit, and he's a bastard!

[new democracy]

i am not a muslim but the quran is not an evil book like you said norman, but people like khomeini and hte taliban distort this book. the same goes to the communist manifesto.

[Stormin Norman]

ND,

You claim that you are not a communist, but you are the first person on this sight that has openly tried to elevate the writings of Marx to the level of a religious doctorine. I will have to revise your title from commie pinko to full fledged commie.

[Storman Normin]

Because I am a gay twat and I'm gonna bomb some innocent civilians, and then I'm gonna tax the poor and then I'm gonna buy a huge burger then eat one bite and throw it away in front of the poor, and then I will diss you commoie bastards some more.

Stormin Norman

[new democracy]

there are two morons!!!! Storman Normin and Stormin Norman!!!!!the first is probably a fake.

[Storman Normin]

Aha! New Democracy! You have discovered the truth. Did you spy on top US buildings. You see, I am a CIA agent, posted to stop communists at all costs, and my imposter here, has been 'getting in my way'

After warning him several times, I have no option but to personally hunt him down and kill him. Perhaps you cann assist me in ridding the world of traitors?

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Whatever the answer, we should refuse to let science become the dogma that subjugates the masses like the religion of the Dark Ages. Every legitimate claim should have evidence to support its claim, but if further investigation rules that theory improbable that theory should be abandoned and replaced with a better explanation.
-him

[Stormin Norman]

The imposter is probably Vox. I have that effect on people. When they lose with me they resort to such pathetic tactics. Ask James and Peacenicked, they may be in on it, too.

[new democracy]

lol!!!!

[Storman Normin]

Unfortunately, you have not listened to my oh-so-simple orders. I am not the imposter, I am the corrupt one. I reccommmend and order that I am given pride of place in the execution of the Enemy of the State.
And by the way, If you want to know who I really am, I suggfest that you ask Stormin Norman again, for you see, he is hiding something. In fact, traiors often do.

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Whatever the answer, we should refuse to let science become the dogma that subjugates the masses like the religion of the Dark Ages. Every legitimate claim should have evidence to support its claim, but if further investigation rules that theory improbable that theory should be abandoned and replaced with a better explanation.
- the real me

[vox]

"The imposter is probably Vox."

Nope, not me, but I see that you're in full-swing at the character attack game. It won't work, SN. You're not credible.

I do notice, however, that you have no response to my post. Of course you don't. You couldn't. You don't know what the hell you're talking about here, do you, SN? You don't know a damn thing about Marxism, do you SN? You make wild allegations about Marx's ideas, but you can't back up what you say, can you SN?

Of course you can't.

You're a joke, SN. And everyone knows it.

vox

[Storman Normin]

Yes, Vox, You are quite right. I am a joke. I am also Gay and also a bastard and also a shoe cleaner. Proffesional Ass-Wiper, that's me. I figured that the ignorant lower classes would not think and just obey orders from their superiors. But you are right, my friend, All authority must be questioned. In time, my true identity will be revealed, but I must admit, you are very close in your guesses.

[Anonymous]

LOL What an idiotic thread.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 3:05 am on Feb. 11, 2003)

[Larissa]

Why don't we just quit posting threads about SN? Can't admins or moderators just close these?

[Hampton]

What's the point of bringing this back?

[Alexander Pop]

hey... you know there are tons of guys like SN in this world ... maybe more than 70% of the population of this planet... only a war can help here... a war that will wipe at least 70% of the population... maybe than people will get to their senses....
I vote for global WAR! I vote for slaying asses like SN!

[Smoking Frog II]

Did anyone ever work out who Storman Normin was?

what a sattire.