CANADA - Why it sucks.

[Stormin Norman]

Recently, I took a trip to Canada. To be specific the the Left Coast portion. My trip included some time in Vancouver and a stop over in Victoria. I had a wonderful time and enjoyed the beauty of the region. Aside from the posative aspects of this country I noticed many things that make it inferior to the US. These flaws will be the topic of this paper.

In general, I noticed anti-American sentiment among the Canadian citizens who had no problems taking my American money. Bashing the US seems to be the national past time north of the border. One can only wonder if those same people would be able to enjoy their peaceful way of life if it weren't for US military might. Would they enjoy eating the crepes and sushi without the protection offered by the American people, or would they get overtaken by the first aggressive nation that invaded their extensive borders? What a bunch of limp wristed, ungrateful, whining, sniffling liberals, that have populated such a great area of the world. It is truly a shame.

Secondly, the homeless problem in Canada is unimaginable. Every time I looked around I saw some homeless dreg popping the top to a trash can, reaching in, grabbing a dog end, and eating directly from the trash. This was probably the most disturbing trend that I noticed. These kinds of deplorable acts made me question the ability of such a socialized nation to take care of their own people. Of course, most of these people live that kind of lifestyle by choice and have settled for the despicable method of living. While in the city, I wandered into the bad area of Vancouver looking for the pubs. The area that I was fortunate enough to have seen was referred to by everyone as Hell. While in this region the homeless congregated on the sidewalks and appeared to exhibit mob like behavior. Lucky I was directed back to the 'normal' section of the city by two cops, but not after seeing countless crack deals and a hooker flash her pussy for a Canadian dollar. This experience was something like a nightmare because all of the people in this district looked like trolls and smelled funny. I could feel the glances from the low lifes, but I never did feel threatened, knowing that these people had weakened themselves with drugs of many sorts. I felt confident that if attacked I could kick out a knee cap and defend myself with my trusty Spiderco knife. I was more offended by the fact these losers would chose to live such unimportant and dreadul lives. In honesty, the government should be concerned about how this problem could affect their tourism industry and work to clean it up. While visiting, I proposed many plans to my travel partner. The one I like most is capturing them with giant nets and forcing them to clean their urine from the streets. I got the feeling that most of the Canadians would not support such a measure since their liberal worldview allows them to make excuses for these people's behavior.

In addition, many of their industries were nationalized. Their cigarettes tasted bad. Their dollar is weak. Their roads are poorly organized, and generally they do everything half assed. The lists could continue for pages, but I must get back to my school work and avoid talking to more losers, like the commies on this board. I think I have given you enough material to work with, and encourage you to try to defend the behavior of the homeless, or the anti-American sentiment propagated by so many useless Canadians.

Disclaimer: This message was not intended to denegrate the hard working, sensible people that reside in Canada. I am sorry your left leaning government has allowed your great nation to degrade to such a level. The fear I have is that our left leaning politicians will lead us down that same path in the US. It is apparent that these illogical fuckers are unable to solve problems and have demonstrated a greater ability to cause them.

[new democracy]

you know moron, i don't hate americans but i can understand why allot of people hate. in this thread you say "cnada suck!!!! u.s is better!!!!" people like you that say that america is better than the entire world make people in other nations hate america!!!! for example my friend talked to me one day and said: "those americans are realy pissing me of!!!! they think that we in israel are stupid people and that we have camels everywhere and we live in sand!!!!!" see what i mean?

[Moskitto]

I think it's funny ND that CI hasn't heard of Charles Babbage, and thinks that it was an American crew who captured the Enigma machine, LOL.

[IzmSchism]

I just read this post, and I have to leave for work, YOU best be assured Moron, that I will respond at length at which I have now come to judge this post as the most IGNORANT piece of trash I have read here at Che-lives. I am dumbfounded at how weak your argument is, yet how you believe it to be substantial and well backed with Moron's experiences, for all beit, probably 2 weeks of travel. You are truly an ignorant boy.

[guerrillaradio]

Fuck off Mormon. You are truly an idiot.

[Pinko]

Take a look around some of the shittier parts of the US sometime Norman, you will find exacly the same problem there.
There are very few homeless people the choose to be where they are, but it is a hole that once you are in, you will find it incredibly difficult to get out of. Society doesn't cater for people without an address.
As for Canada's lack of military might, they have a military that is as good as most other countries. Just because it is not an overbloated, self governing cold war relic that refuses to deflate, like the US military, it doesn't make it useless. The Commonwealth (ex-colonial relic that it is) would see to the nutual defense of its members, NATO (I am not going to start commenting on what is wrong with that organisation) would still exist without the US.
Anyway, the mighty US war machine would be useless if it were not for the special forces of other countries doing the dangerous jobs.

It is just this sort of arrogant, self-involved rhetoric that drives people to fly planes into sky-scrapers. It is people like you ST, that perpetuate the dim view of the US that the rest of the world has.
Idiot.

[Mazdak]

Hey i thought SN was gone... I guess not.

And why not walk down a street in New York City, SN. Then you will not only see low lives, but overpopulation. You can't walk down a street there. I hate going into that damned city.

[PunkRawker677]

Take a walk down anywhere in Miami.. If you can't point out at least 10 homeless people within 5 minutes your either blind or brain dead..

[Nateddi]

This is honestly the most subjective piece of bullshit and hypocrisy I have ever read. This has gone to the point of idiocy. I suggest everyone stops wasting their time.

I call a boycott on this thread.

[Dynatos]

I have to agree with the Moron. Canada really dose suck. So dose France, UK, Germany, Italy, USA, japan, Australia, S.Korean, and every other westernized coutry

[Pinko]

"I have to agree with the Moron. Canada really dose suck. So dose France, UK, Germany, Italy, USA, japan, Australia, S.Korean, and every other westernized coutry."

Hahahahahaha. Nice.

[Felicia]

haha

(Edited by felicia at 6:58 pm on Aug. 30, 2002)

[new democracy]

you know i am thinking about immigrating to canada.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from new democracy on 4:00 am on Aug. 31, 2002
you know i am thinking about immigrating to canada.

Why not the U.S. instead?

[Felicia]

Ignore that last post

First of all I'd like to point out that you were in western Canada, the politically 'right' area of Canada. If you were here vacationing and site seeing why the hell were you in Vancouver? Is it a nice city? Sure. Beautiful? Some could argue that one. Come to the eastern end of Canada and we'll see if your view changes a bit.



I felt confident that if attacked I could kick out a knee cap and defend myself with my trusty Spiderco knife
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And were you attacked? No, probably not like you would be in the US.



I noticed anti-American sentiment among the Canadian citizens who had no problems taking my American money



Can you blame us for not liking your damn country, a country that has screwed us over many times!!! (I could get into thins but I wont, yet)



. Bashing the US seems to be the national past time north of the border.


Actually it is, the leaders of our Liberal Party (the party in power) has kept it a tradition for decades to pick on your your country in speaches and in other such media (I can't find any examples yet, but I can)



the homeless problem in Canada is unimaginable


"According to statistics from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, up to 600,000 men, women and children go homeless every night in the United States alone" - source (http://www.freedonation.com/homeless/homeless_stats.php3) (other sources are listed at the bottom of this site, taken from different studies)

this seems awfuly high to me.
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This experience was something like a nightmare because all of the people in this district looked like trolls and smelled funny

and you didn't feel at home?

[Felicia]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 7:03 pm on Aug. 30, 2002

Quote: from new democracy on 4:00 am on Aug. 31, 2002
you know i am thinking about immigrating to canada.

Why not the U.S. instead?


Why not Canada? It's a lot easier to get in here and we love immigrants :)

ND, Don't let this thread change your mind about us :)

[new democracy]

i must say that canadian politicians have guts. pier trudo was a great friend of castro. he told the u.s:"we can be friends of whoever we like!!!!". idon't like castro but trudo got guts. and he was from the liberal party. i don't hate americans, i just like politicians that have guts.

[Felicia]

Trudeau was a pretty cool Prime Minister, although he gave us a major national debt, that Chretien has reduced (the first PM to do so, YAY). We even had like 16 billion in surplus last year (or one before), YAY again :)

[Stormin Norman]

Ism Chism,

Did you really think that this post was meant to be an honest critique of the Canadian government? You should know me better than that by now. I reality these are only a few of the more superficial observations that I noticed about Canada. This post was inspired by Felicia who told me that she would rather I didn't visit Canada, and represents my attempt to demean the left leaning Canadians who frequent this site.

However, the timing of this post remains hilarious. I'll explain. While I was in the third world country known as Canada, the people there were all too happy to accept my US currency. Today in the corner store a Canadian was trying to pay for his goods with Canadian coins. The clerk laughed and told him that he doesn't accept Canadian. The cannuck asked, "Why not?"

At that point the clerk responded, "Because it is not worth anything."

Finding this exchange to be comical, I laughed out loud. The irate Canadian looked at all of the Americans in the store with disgust and stormed out yelling, "We'll see about that!"

The clerk yelled back, ". 60 cents on the dollar!"

Noting that I had a sympathetic ear, I went on to discuss the liberal politics of the Canadians and the shrinking left wing in our own country. He agreed wholeheartedly. This encounter left me with the feeling that I had done my good deed for the day by passing the word on to another individual. Perhaps in the future he will remember what it was that I said to him, and recognize liberals for what they actually are. Maybe he will grow to hate their views as much as I do. From my discussion with this man, I could tell that half my work was already accomplished as he appeared to have no love for ridiculous Marxist ideology from the get go.
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By the way, I have visited many large cities in America. The only city that compares in its homeless problem is San Francisco, which is shares its leftist politics with the Canadians.

New York was pretty bad in the 1980's, but the former mayor did a fine job cleaning up the place. Although I really don't like the guy, I will give him credit for his accomplishment.

I pride myself on visiting some of the worst neighborhoods in my region. The reason I venture into these areas remains my overwhelming curiosity about what drives a person to live in such a manner. It is relatively easy for me to distinguish between the person who chooses to exist at that level, and the person who is fighting their hardest to get out of a bad situation. In Canada, most of the homeless were victims of themselves, not poor economics. Am I suppose to feel sorry for a group of guys that are my same age, which sit on the sidewalk with a sign reading, "Need money for Marijuana. Anything helps."?

When I see the Mexican family, with a 6-year-old daughter and a two-year-old son, living in their car, I feel empathy. These folks are the victims of poor economic policy and have been driven to America by dreams of a better future for their children. However, I know that their determination will help them prevail and realize the American dream. My only concern for them is that our country is being destroyed and will no longer present the opportunity that it once did. That is why I find it necessary to fight against communists and left-wingers alike. Their vision for the world has never brought prosperity to the masses of poor, wide eyed dreamers that will always exist in the world. The free enterprise system has helped many to achieve the upward mobility, which is a distinct anomaly within the US borders. We must work to reverse current trends and scale back the liberals’ influence on our political and economic system, in order to ensure that we remain a great nation for future generations.
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Never in my writing did I say that the homeless problem was solely a Canadian problem, but I do think that liberal politics exasperates it.
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Many of you commies have noted my ignorance and called me a moron, yet none of you really offered a good explanation of the Canadians political system or why I am wrong. Please explain why some of you disagree with my contention that Canada is a socialist nation. If you agree that it is a socialized nation how hasn't it failed? Is the man at the corner store right? Will the Canadians economic and political plan allow for it to surpass the US in the areas of production and economic growth? If yes, how so? Furthermore, describe a plan by which to alleviate the homelessness problem in any of the world's developed or underdeveloped countries. Share with me some of your infinite wisdom. Don't simply call me a moron, for that makes you look stupid.

[Red Revolution]

SN, leave Canada alone, whats it ever done to your country. I live in Britain but my mum was born and lived in Winnipeg, (Manitoba, south Canada). Canadians are much more rounded and complete individuals than those of the US so lay off.

[Pinko]

The socialist state solves the homeless problem by abolishing the right to own land and provides housing to any one who wants it. It is the policies of land ownership in capitalist states that causes homelessness, the rich get richer and buy up more land. Due to supply and demand, land prices rise and are put out of reach of the poor.
In the UK house prices rise by about 2.5% per month (that is around 30% per year), inflation is about 2.5% per year, even taking into account economic growth the average worker will see at most a 5% annual pay rise. How are the workers supposed to afford housing?
Answer: They aren't.
The capitalists bourgeoise landlords get rich from the workers that already provide them profit through their working lives. This is a 24 hour drain on the workers wage. What is payed for the labour is taken away in other forms. It ammounts to little more than slavery.
As house prices rise, so do rent prices. I cannot afford to live in a flat of my own. I could not afford the rent. I live in a shared house with three other people. If I were to lose this place of residence for some reason or other, there is a distinct possibility that I would end up homeless. Not through choice, but through events beyond my control. If I loose my address, I would loose my job, without an address it would be almost impossible for me to claim welfare (where would they send the cheques?).
Homelessness is a vicious circle of poverty and despair. Only though charitable organisations (and a few badly run government schemes) can you get back on your feet. Homeless hostels give you an address (albeit temporary), but the waiting lists are long.
Many homeless people fall into drug use, when despair overtakes you, it is a way to forget, a fast route to a little pleasure. But this only hastens your downward spiral into permanent homelessness.
People that spend years on the street start to loose their social skills. Their airs and graces are replaced by more viscious survival instincts, this is often the only way to survive on the street. Once these social skills are lost, it becomes almost impossible to reintegrate into society. Only substancial help from an outside source will help. There are charities dedicated to this type of work, but again, they are oversubscribed, their efforts are a drop in the ocean.

Homelessness shouldn't be a problem in a communist society. Everyone should be provided with a basic set of essentials in life, basic housing included.
The problem with socio-capitalist democracies is that they have to bow to voter and corporate pressure. The well-off rarely want to help those less fortunate than themselves and will vote with their feet if they think that too much of their taxed currency is being spent on what the ignorant see as bums.
The lack of education, understanding and empathy about the unfortunates of society reinforces their possition in society, right at the bottom. It is people like Stormin Norman, with their uneducated and bigotted attitude to these people, that keep them where they are.

So, to sum up, it is the capitalist bourgeoise that put them where they are and they are responsible for keeping them there.

(Edited by Pinko at 4:25 pm on Aug. 31, 2002)

[new democracy]

Why no and we love immigrants :)

even when they join quebec independent party? just kidding!!!! i don't support them at all.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 12:17 pm on Aug. 30, 2002
I think it's funny ND that CI hasn't heard of Charles Babbage, and thinks that it was an American crew who captured the Enigma machine, LOL.


You have me confused with someone else, moskitto, I know of Mr babbage and I know that brits captured the Enigma machine.

[Felicia]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 2:22 am on Aug. 31, 2002
This post was inspired by Felicia who told me that she would rather I didn't visit Canada, and represents my attempt to demean the left leaning Canadians who frequent this site.



I think I told you to enjoy yourself or something like that :)