Crazy Girl in Atlanta Train

[bootleg42]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eXNClwV5AM&feature=bz303

It's really sad. The product of centuries of capitalism and racism produces this. It saddens me. The black population of the U.S. was the most revolutionary force in the country.

Now, the markets have turned their communities into chaos that will take decades and, dare I say it, generations to recover from. This video was caught on youtube but I assure you, this happens everyday. I see it a ton of times on the 6,7,1,J and 9 trains (NYC) and I can imagine in other poor neighborhoods the same occurs.

And all this happens while the "black middle class" sit back and relax. Mumia Abu-Jamal spoke of this many times and it stills saddens me.

Also I can imagine now how the white mid-to-upper middle class suburban spoiled ethnocentric males will make fun of this video and put it all over youtube in a joking way.

And I didn't know where to put this, in politics or discrimination or chit chat. This discussion could get very political so I put it here.

[Os Cangaceiros]

That girl has bipolar personality disorder.

[RedAnarchist]

Some of the comments for that video are disgusting. Its like a Stormfront thread or something. And you just know there'll be other videos making fun of the poor woman.

[Redmau5]

What was it that the old woman supposedly said to her?

[Peacekeeper]

Bipolar or not, I'd have smacked her.

Calling an old a woman racial slurs, etc. Sick.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

I don't see why this should be in politics, I think Chit-Chat would be more appropriate. I don't think it has anything to do with politics and to be honest I think many of the comments in the original post are either incredibly misguided or very badly worded.

First of all, it is a stretch in my opinion to say that this woman's bipolar personality disorder (and that's what it is: link (http://sandrarose.com/2008/05/10/martas-soulja-girl-getting-the-help-she-needs/)) is a result of capitalism and racism. It's a personality disorder, it happens, I'm sure there are causes for it but I doubt racism is one since white people get it all the time. Secondly, I have an issue with these comments:

The black population of the U.S. was the most revolutionary force in the country.

Now, the markets have turned their communities into chaos...
That would seem to me to imply that the acts of one girl who suffers from a mental illness and had neglected to take her meds is somehow representative of the entire black community. Maybe that's not what the thread starter was implying but that's certainly how it sounded. And it is of course ridiculous, wrong and extremely patronizing. I don't see any other black person on the train acting in an erratic fashion. In fact, I'd say that black community in general is--much like the white community in general--perfectly civilized.

I think the thread should be moved to Chit-Chat.

[Peacekeeper]

That would seem to me to imply that the acts of one girl who suffers from a mental illness and had neglected to take her meds is somehow representative of the entire black community. Maybe that's not what the thread starter was implying but that's certainly how it sounded. And it is of course ridiculous, wrong and extremely patronizing. I don't see any other black person on the train acting in an erratic fashion. In fact, I'd say that black community in general is--much like the white community in general--perfectly civilized.


You don't get out much, do you?
I went to the public library the other day and there were six black juniors from my school who were doing the "soulja boy" dance in the library parking lot around a car that the music was blasting out of. At a fucking public library. :cursing:
I've never seen any whites or asians or jews or arabs or persians do that kind of thing. And yes I recognize that this is the result of the media merging the ideas of "hip-hop culture" and "(American) black culture."
But that doesn't mean it's not irritating as hell.

[Lector Malibu]

You don't get out much, do you?
I went to the public library the other day and there were six black juniors from my school who were doing the "soulja boy" dance in the library parking lot around a car that the music was blasting out of. At a fucking public library. :cursing:
I've never seen any whites or asians or jews or arabs or persians do that kind of thing. And yes I recognize that this is the result of the media merging the ideas of "hip-hop culture" and "(American) black culture."
But that doesn't mean it's not irritating as hell.

Whoa!!!!!!

He's from Ireland for starters

But I'm black and guess what I'm American and have lived in all kinds of American elements.

This girl in this video was mentally ill . She was having a Bipolar manic episode!

Why in the name of Jagga is that not seen for what it is?

It happens everyday all over the place and because she happens to be black it is not a reflection on the black community period.

And there are plenty of white kids who tool around in low riders blasting the same base and doing similar things as your black school friends

Do you get out much?

[Qwerty Dvorak]

You don't get out much, do you?
I went to the public library the other day and there were six black juniors from my school who were doing the "soulja boy" dance in the library parking lot around a car that the music was blasting out of. At a fucking public library. :cursing:
I've never seen any whites or asians or jews or arabs or persians do that kind of thing. And yes I recognize that this is the result of the media merging the ideas of "hip-hop culture" and "(American) black culture."
But that doesn't mean it's not irritating as hell.
WTF?! That is some seriously fucked up BS. What's your point, that black people in general are uncivilized and irritating??

This thread is not about the "Soulja Boi" dance. What's odd about the video is not that she was doing that dance per se. It's that she was doing it while screaming loudly, on a train, right in the face of an elderly woman, who she was also threatening. She then proceeded to yell aggressively and threateningly in other people's faces. That is the result of a personality disorder which she is unfortunate enough to have, it is not because she is black or because of racism.

And I don't care what you say, that kind of behaviour is not in any way an accurate representation of the black community.

[Post-Something]

Hahaha, that's like saying "angry German kid" represents the entire of Germany.

It was odd to say the least...

[bootleg42]

That would seem to me to imply that the acts of one girl who suffers from a mental illness and had neglected to take her meds is somehow representative of the entire black community. Maybe that's not what the thread starter was implying but that's certainly how it sounded.

Not at all but this is an unfortunate common in many black inner city areas. I'm not saying the population is like that but CASES like these are really common in the poor black urban areas and it's like that for a reason. The racist system of the U.S. literary put most of them in ghettos which, in many ways, is no different from a jail. Read the history of project building in NYC. I'll try to find a few materials I had on it in .pdf format. Sad really.

The markets push the idea of consumerism, which keeps everyone "in check". Why do you think she was singing what she was singing in the video??? Get the idea??? The markets do that to plenty of youth in the inner city (of any race for that matter). Believe me, I've grown up here all my life and seen how the markets can turn the youth to wage slaves who take out their anger on each other instead of taking it out on the powers that be.


And it is of course ridiculous, wrong and extremely patronizing. I don't see any other black person on the train acting in an erratic fashion. In fact, I'd say that black community in general is--much like the white community in general--perfectly civilized.

I agree. Maybe I worded it wrong. I meant to say that CASES like this is common in poor black areas and it's like that for the reasons I mentioned already. If course you can see this in other areas too, but those other areas haven't been oppressed like the poor black areas have been, hence the reason why cases like these are common in poor black areas. Trust me, I see it every week on the trains I mentioned on earlier posts and it saddens me.

[More Fire for the People]

What the hell, don't she have any respect for an old woman. I would like to see her post-menopausal, suffering from geriatric complications, and struggling with ego integrity. Go crank some soulja girl elsewhere, but it seems like her main problem is crank.

[Lector Malibu]

What the hell, don't she have any respect for an old woman. I would like to see her post-menopausal, suffering from geriatric complications, and struggling with ego integrity. Go crank some soulja girl elsewhere, but it seems like her main problem is crank.

Did you read the link that talked about her having mental illness? She's not on drugs Hopscotch

[Hampton]

Not at all but this is an unfortunate common in many black inner city areas.

People only get loud on trains in black areas? I mean I'm sure white kids emulate that dance too right? Why aren't those videos on youtube? I think we get what you are trying to say, that the system in America drives minorities into ghettos and tries to get them to buy into commercial rap music and get their minds away from the real issues, but this isn't the right way of going about it.

But don't pity the black population, I'm sure we can stick up for outselves after 400 years here.

[EscapeFromSF]

I could barely understand a word on the video. (Sorry.)

First, it is correct to challenge the attribution of the young woman in red's behavior--based on this evidence--to any particular cause. We simply don't know.

Second, the class issues that bootleg42 alludes to are real. Some of my students pointed me to Malcolm X's speech on the House Negro and the Field Negro. I know which attribution in that dichotomy I'd assign to Barack Obama, Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice, and Bill Cosby. I also know that conservatives come in all colors and at all economic levels. I was stunned when a couple African American women in the back of a class, assuming that one always has luxuries to cut, that one can always find employment that pays more than a subsistence wage, claimed that "you can always save some money [in a financial institution]." (I failed to respond that those who preach discipline are very rarely those who have had to actually live it.) Conservatives are, by definition, very judgmental. I cannot be surprised if the old woman indeed said something provocative to the young woman or was in some way disrespectful. Those who criticize the young woman for being disrespectful of the older woman, should remember that respect is a two-way street, and that sometimes anger--even if poorly handled--is justified.

Third, as for the incident outside a public library, we should remember that the form of learning valued in libraries and schools is a form that, by design, excludes a great many people. I would have to dredge up the statistics to make the point, but something like only 22 or 23% of the US population finishes a four-year college program. If I recall correctly, only 12% finish a Master's, and by the time you reach the PhD level, you're in a very small portion of the population. Along the way, we insist on particular language skills that again exclude large portions of the population, and the educational system that is responsible for this is definitely a political issue.

Finally, my instinct on watching the video was to suspect that young woman was on some kind of drugs. My far-from-expert understanding is that PCP can produce this kind of behavior. But if we suspect drugs or mental abuse, the political response on these issues has been pathetic. Health insurance, for those who have it, often excludes mental health services. The government's response to problems with drugs has been to treat them as criminal justice issues rather than as medical issues.

While the original attribution of causes in this thread leaves something to be desired, it is naive to suggest that there are no political issues here.

[Lector Malibu]

Did Anybody Fucking Read Ron's Link Where It Said She Had Bipolar Disorder And Was Having A Manic Episode!

[Peacekeeper]

Did Anybody Fucking Read Ron's Link Where It Said She Had Bipolar Disorder And Was Having A Manic Episode!



Yes, we did. No need to shout. :ohmy:

[Lector Malibu]

Yes, we did. No need to shout. :ohmy:

Than why did you not touch on that fact

Instead of trying to reflect this negatively on the black community in your post to Ron?

[Peacekeeper]

Than why did you not touch on that fact

Instead of trying to reflect this negatively on the black community in your post to Ron?


Bipolar or not, I'd have smacked her.

Calling an old a woman racial slurs, etc. Sick.

:confused:

[Lector Malibu]

:confused:


YOUR POST TO RON

You know how this was all about the Soulja Dance

[Peacekeeper]

I was saying that black culture has become synonymous with bullshit "hip hop" culture, which is homophobic, racist, and extremely sexist. I'm confused on what you are trying to say. Do you want me to reference that the woman in the video is bipolar in every single one of my posts, even though that has no relevance to what I was saying in that particular post, as I had moved on to a different scenario?

[Lector Malibu]

I was saying that black culture has become synonymous with bullshit "hip hop" culture, which is homophobic, racist, and extremely sexist. I'm confused on what you are trying to say. Do you want me to reference that the woman in the video is bipolar in every single one of my posts, even though that has no relevance to what I was saying in that particular post, as I had moved on to a different scenario?

Ron's post to you


That would seem to me to imply that the acts of one girl who suffers from a mental illness and had neglected to take her meds is somehow representative of the entire black community. Maybe that's not what the thread starter was implying but that's certainly how it sounded. And it is of course ridiculous, wrong and extremely patronizing. I don't see any other black person on the train acting in an erratic fashion. In fact, I'd say that black community in general is--much like the white community in general--perfectly civilized.


Clearly Ron was still talking about how the fact that she was having a bipolar episode and that this behavior was not a negative reflection on the black community. He at no point addresses hip hop culture in that statement.

Your defensive berating response to Ron.


You don't get out much, do you?
I went to the public library the other day and there were six black juniors from my school who were doing the "soulja boy" dance in the library parking lot around a car that the music was blasting out of. At a fucking public library. :cursing:
I've never seen any whites or asians or jews or arabs or persians do that kind of thing. And yes I recognize that this is the result of the media merging the ideas of "hip-hop culture" and "(American) black culture."
But that doesn't mean it's not irritating as hell.

What was the point of the Soulja Boy example as it had absolutely nothing to do with Ron's statement ? He didn't even address that issue

I'm pretty sure what fired you up was the fact Ron mentioned that the black community might just act civilized

[Peacekeeper]

What was the point of the Soulja Boy example as it had absolutely nothing to do with Ron's statement ? He didn't even address that issue

I'm pretty sure what fired you up was the fact Ron mentioned that the black community might just act civilized

Could be. A lot of the black youth have become corrupted by this. I have no idea whether this is a minority of black youth or what, but it is all I see at my school. Nothing a revolution couldn't fix pretty quickly with progressive social policies.

EDIT: I'm well aware of the "wigger" phenomenon, but in my community, that is a tiny minority that is generally derided.
EDIT2: And I've never seen any of the black Muslims from misjab be corrupted by hip hop "culture." :D

[Hiero]

It is an undeniable fact that crazy people use public transport. Though this video does seem outragous, I am sure anybody who relies on public transport has seen something similar.

How do we know she has bipolar?

[Peacekeeper]

It is an undeniable fact that crazy people use public transport. Though this video does seem outragous, I am sure anybody who relies on public transport has seen something similar.

How do we know she has bipolar?
From an unconfirmed report on one website that I've never heard of, of course! :rolleyes:
EDIT: It's actually just somebody's blog! :rolleyes:

Yeah and there are a lot of crazy people on public transport.

[Lector Malibu]

Could be. A lot of the black youth have become corrupted by this. I have no idea whether this is a minority of black youth or what, but it is all I see at my school. Nothing a revolution couldn't fix pretty quickly with progressive social policies.

EDIT: I'm well aware of the "wigger" phenomenon, but in my community, that is a tiny minority that is generally derided.
EDIT2: And I've never seen any of the black Muslims from misjab be corrupted by hip hop "culture." :D

Now put that on hold for a minute.

This thread was originally about a woman freaking out on a train.

The original posting failed to mention that she was mentally ill, but suggested her behavior was result of racism and capitalism because the woman was black.

Ron found a link that said she was in fact mentally ill.

Mental illness is not reflective on race and affects many.

Though her behavior was despicable , clearly she was not in her right mind .

That said this thread should be over.

Others though have used this as a platform to address concerns they have with blacks and black culture

Derailing the topic and turning this into something else when it was wrong to begin with.

If you want to talk about the problem with urban culture should you not start a thread on that, as clearly it is a separate issue?

[Os Cangaceiros]

How do we know she has bipolar?

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/16249105/detail.html

[Lector Malibu]

From an unconfirmed report on one website that I've never heard of, of course! :rolleyes:
EDIT: It's actually just somebody's blog! :rolleyes:

Yeah and there are a lot of crazy people on public transport.

You think that woman was sane?

What is it your really saying ?

[Peacekeeper]

Ron found a link that said she was in fact mentally ill.Ron didn't find a link. It was right fucking there, next to the video. Only an idiot could have missed it.


You think that woman was sane?

What is it your really saying ?What? I haven't gotten anything from you but straw-men and repeatedly asking me things I have already answered. Come back when you grow a brain and can have an intelligent conversation.



This thread was originally about a woman freaking out on a train.Yes... and the discussion has evolved. That's what happens when people present new points.



The original posting failed to mention that she was mentally ill, but suggested her behavior was result of racism and capitalism because the woman was black.That's what I was discussing: what the OP was talking about. While the views you say he holds about the video may be incorrect, I was speaking about how his statement could be applicable to other situations. Technically, that's still on topic, so I don't see what you have your panties in a twist about.

[Lector Malibu]

Ron didn't find a link. It was right fucking there, next to the video. Only an idiot could have missed it.


Edit #1 If you click to the right of the video under the word "more" it has a link to Ron's link that he sited.

This wasn't right there as you said so to say you had to read a link to find it


What? I haven't gotten anything from you but straw-men and repeatedly asking me things I have already answered. Come back when you grow a brain and can have an intelligent conversation.Nice try, I've responded to your post and your desire to talk about your problems with hip hop and black culture when the thread is not about that.


Yes... and the discussion has evolved. That's what happens when people present new points.What points? Your digression into SoulJa Boy?:)


That's what I was discussing: what the OP was talking about. While the views you say he holds about the video may be incorrect, I was speaking about how his statement could be applicable to other situations. Technically, that's still on topic, so I don't see what you have your panties in a twist about.The woman was having a manic episode and was not acting sane.

How is this something else?


:)

[ManyAntsDefeatSpiders]

If what above is true, she has a mental illness.

It doesn't matter that she's black nor that she likes hip-hop.

If she was a Muslim then instead of singing hip-hop lyrics she might be reciting Koran verses...

Over a million views of this?

Indeed, it has everything to do with racism - people extrapolating racist slurs from one incident...

But trying to judge this person who I don't even know...? And then someone making the comment that you would hit this person? (Whom really only was just singing in a very aggressive manner).

[Illus]

Damn lumpenproles.

[RHIZOMES]

I was saying that black culture has become synonymous with bullshit "hip hop" culture, which is homophobic, racist, and extremely sexist.

Hip-hop culture is racist? :laugh:

[Module]

EDIT: I'm well aware of the "wigger" phenomenon, but in my community, that is a tiny minority that is generally derided.
EDIT2: And I've never seen any of the black Muslims from misjab be corrupted by hip hop "culture." :D'You don't get out much, do you?' :rolleyes:

There are few black people in Australia (though their numbers are growing) and they are not disproportionately delinquent. Here, white, asian, middle eastern people it seems all equally enjoy hip hop, and are equally likely to dance to music in parking lots.
(In parking lots! Christ almighty! :rolleyes:)
But, might I add that over here, those who 'dance to music in parking lots' would do it to some kind of techno, not hip hop.
Hip hop culture does not 'corrupt' people.
Hip hop being sexist and homophobic is a fairly recent development, in relation to how long hip hop has existed. This sexism and homophobia is a reflection of that in society.
People who listen to hip hop are no more likely to be 'delinquent' than those who listen to techno (for example).

If black people are disproportionately 'delinquent', it is not because of the music they listen to, but because of the environment in which they live. The only corrupting influences that would be effecting black people in that way are racism and capitalism.

You saying 'Black people are being corrupted by hip hop culture' is not only ridiculously short sighted of you, but incredibly patronising.
Hip hop came from the black community, as a creative art form, and has become part of mainstream youth culture - and has, of course, began to reflect the wider influences it receives.
It's not just hip hop that you find such attitudes in - it's in the entire music industry.

[Peacekeeper]

By "hip hop culture," I clearly meant the image of black people portrayed by the capitalist/Zionist dominated corporate media, suck as MTV, etc.
Of course it is because of the environment they live in. The material dictates the ideal, for fucks sake. That doesn't stop it from being irritating and reactionary.
In case you didn't understand my outrage at it being in a parking lot, it was about twenty feet away from the entrance to the public library. You know, where it is supposed to be quiet, because people are studying/reading?
Of course hip hop is racist, you dumb fuck. Open your ears. Embarrassing and humiliating to black people, and incredibly offensive to everyone else. Fucking open your ears and listen.

[KC]

Hip-hop culture is racist?

Corporate manifestations of hip hop are incredibly racist.

[RHIZOMES]

'You don't get out much, do you?' :rolleyes:

There are few black people in Australia (though their numbers are growing) and they are not disproportionately delinquent. Here, white, asian, middle eastern people it seems all equally enjoy hip hop, and are equally likely to dance to music in parking lots.
(In parking lots! Christ almighty! :rolleyes:)
But, might I add that over here, those who 'dance to music in parking lots' would do it to some kind of techno, not hip hop.
Hip hop culture does not 'corrupt' people.
Hip hop being sexist and homophobic is a fairly recent development, in relation to how long hip hop has existed. This sexism and homophobia is a reflection of that in society.
People who listen to hip hop are no more likely to be 'delinquent' than those who listen to techno (for example).

If black people are disproportionately 'delinquent', it is not because of the music they listen to, but because of the environment in which they live. The only corrupting influences that would be effecting black people in that way are racism and capitalism.

You saying 'Black people are being corrupted by hip hop culture' is not only ridiculously short sighted of you, but incredibly patronising.
Hip hop came from the black community, as a creative art form, and has become part of mainstream youth culture - and has, of course, began to reflect the wider influences it receives.
It's not just hip hop that you find such attitudes in - it's in the entire music industry.

This.


By "hip hop culture," I clearly meant the image of black people portrayed by the capitalist/Zionist dominated corporate media, suck as MTV, etc.

And yet later on you call all hip-hop racist, sexist and homophobic. :rolleyes:


Of course hip hop is racist, you dumb fuck. Open your ears. Embarrassing and humiliating to black people, and incredibly offensive to everyone else. Fucking open your ears and listen.

Please don't flame. I listen to more hip-hop music than you've probably even heard of. Stop stereotyping by the shitty music you see on TV and "Open you ears".

[Peacekeeper]

I don't watch tv. But I am forced to listen to what music people play when I am not at home. This comes with living in civilization.
I don't remember saying "all hip-hop" at any time. Nice straw-man, though.
Yeah, I'll stop with the flaming.

[Plagueround]

You don't get out much, do you?
I went to the public library the other day and there were six black juniors from my school who were doing the "soulja boy" dance in the library parking lot around a car that the music was blasting out of. At a fucking public library. :cursing:
I've never seen any whites or asians or jews or arabs or persians do that kind of thing. And yes I recognize that this is the result of the media merging the ideas of "hip-hop culture" and "(American) black culture."
But that doesn't mean it's not irritating as hell.

It's time to play Peacekeeper Wheel of Fortune!!!!

R_STR_CT_D

Anyone want to buy a vowel?

[Module]

By "hip hop culture," I clearly meant the image of black people portrayed by the capitalist/Zionist dominated corporate media, suck as MTV, etc.
I don't know what Zionism has to do with this ...
See, I'm not sure about everybody else (though I think they'd agree with me when I say this) but when one says 'hip hop culture', one is generally referring to... 'hip hop culture'. Please don't try and change you're argument unless you plan to acknowledge it.
Though if you are being genuine, this raises the question of why and how the fuck you think black people on television = 'hip hop culture'.

You’ve already said;
“And I've never seen any of the black Muslims from misjab be corrupted by hip hop "culture."”
And
“I'm well aware of the "wigger" phenomenon, but in my community, that is a tiny minority that is generally derided.”
And now, despite having felt the need to acknowledge white people who listen to hip hop, and black people who apparently do not, you’re trying to say that you’re not talking about hip hop at all. Sorry, that doesn’t follow.


Of course it is because of the environment they live in. The material dictates the ideal, for fucks sake. That doesn't stop it from being irritating and reactionary. So ... how does hip hop culture corrupt black people, then ... ?

In case you didn't understand my outrage at it being in a parking lot, it was about twenty feet away from the entrance to the public library. You know, where it is supposed to be quiet, because people are studying/reading? Ugh, the ignorance of the great unwashed! :rolleyes:

[ManyAntsDefeatSpiders]

White Nationalists put forth the same arguments that the capitalist 'Zionist' media is corrupting the youth into decadent morals. That should be a hint of the 'validity' of those arguments...

[Lector Malibu]

White Nationalists put forth the same arguments that the capitalist 'Zionist' media is corrupting the youth into decadent morals. That should be a hint of the 'validity' of those arguments...


Exactly.

[Hiero]

Why is this still in politics?

[Zurdito]

First of all, it is a stretch in my opinion to say that this woman's bipolar personality disorder (and that's what it is: link (http://www.anonym.to/?http://sandrarose.com/2008/05/10/martas-soulja-girl-getting-the-help-she-needs/)) is a result of capitalism and racism. It's a personality disorder, it happens, I'm sure there are causes for it but I doubt racism is one since white people get it all the time.


I don't share the premises of the OP (I have indeed seen much worse things than this from middle-class white kids, and the video didn't really seem that shocking), however:

there is no doubt that mental illness correlates with poverty and abuse growing up, and that capitalism and racism do have traumatic effects on the psychology of people in young communities.

do you really dispute that?

[Comrade Rage]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eXNClwV5AM&feature=bz303

It's really sad. The product of centuries of capitalism and racism produces this. It saddens me. The black population of the U.S. was the most revolutionary force in the country.

Now, the markets have turned their communities into chaos that will take decades and, dare I say it, generations to recover from. This video was caught on youtube but I assure you, this happens everyday. I see it a ton of times on the 6,7,1,J and 9 trains (NYC) and I can imagine in other poor neighborhoods the same occurs.I see stuff like this happen 3-5 times a week. Usually it doesn't get physical, and usually the person isn't this well-dressed/groomed. Most people on the bus just laugh it off, but it and their reactions depress me a little.

Also I can imagine now how the white mid-to-upper middle class suburban spoiled ethnocentric males will make fun of this video and put it all over youtube in a joking way.No body (it seems) takes this stuff seriously or sees the underlying issues. They just laugh it off as some nutjob on the bus.