concentration camps in the u.s!?

[new democracy]

i saw a movie that show that all the japanese with american citizenship were arrested and they were sent into concentration camps after the pearl harbor attack in 1,941!!! this is true? if it true i dont understand how cappis can justify it.

[vox]

Yes, it's true. I believe they were called internment camps. It was a great capital seizure, too, for the Japanese-Americans had their property taken by the gov't. Clinton signed a reparations bill so the survivors and their families could get some money back.

vox

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from vox on 12:26 am on Aug. 29, 2002
Yes, it's true. I believe they were called internment camps. It was a great capital seizure, too, for the Japanese-Americans had their property taken by the gov't. Clinton signed a reparations bill so the survivors and their families could get some money back.

vox


and black people cant get repirations? what the hell

[Capitalist Imperial]

They were internment camps, not concentration camps, there is a difference.

It was for their protection as well as american security. They were treated relatively well, and not tortured or killed. Lets not forget that japaneze on the island of hawaii were instrumental in coordinationg the pearl harbor attack.

It was an admittedly an extreme measure, but one that reflected the times and circumstances.

[vox]

"It was for their protection as well as american security."

Having all their property stolen by the gov't was for their protection?

Does anyone need further proof that CI is absolutely incapable of recognizing anything bad about the USA? He reminds me of the Stalinists: all those people had to suffer for their own good! HA!

vox

[munkey soup]

And they weren't treated all that well either. If sleeping in ex-stables with a dirt floor, no running water, maybe one light bulb to illuminate the entire room (granted they weren't that big) and having to endure the harsh, dry desert heat with no way of cooling themselves off except for a few fans(if that) is being treated well, I'd hate to see being treated bad.

It is true, however, that I would rather have spent time in an internment camp than a Japanese-run POW camp.

[RedCeltic]

"It was for their protection as well as American security."

I believe that was also what the Germans told the Jews.

A question though CI... Why The Japanese and not Germans or Italians? True, some Germans that where extremely active in the Bund where "interned"... But if the Japanese where so dangerous why weren’t the Italians and Germans?

Well it's pretty much a rhetorical question because it's plainly obvious why some racial groups are more widely accepted to assimilate than others.

Many of the Japanese that where "interned" and had their property taken, had been in the US much longer than my grandparents who just arrived in '29..

[Anonymous]

thre were concentraton camps in america, and they puted germans there too, yet the condicions were not bad, actualy acording to ex-prisioners of war they were heaven compared with the condicions they had when they were serving the german army!

[vox]

Oops, I made a mistake above. The reparations were actually part of the Civil Liberties Act of 1988 (Reagan was president and the Senate and the House were under Democratic control). Sorry about that.

vox

[RedCeltic]

actualy acording to ex-prisioners of war they were heaven compared with the condicions they had when they were serving the german army!

A POW camp is not the same thing as rounding up legal American residents.


(Edited by RedCeltic at 8:20 pm on Aug. 28, 2002)

[Mazdak]

Oh, and the Americans did the same in the philipines during the 1900s.

[vodun]

Quote: from RedCeltic on 1:15 am on Aug. 29, 2002
I believe that was also what the Germans told the Jews.Why do the goddam Nazis have to be resurrected for every argument in the world? Did the Japanese Americans suffer the same fate as the European Jews? You don't need to drag Hitler up to make a case against the U.S. government's actions. Your argument is much more credible without that exaggeration.

(Edited by vodun at 3:33 am on Aug. 29, 2002)

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from vodun on 9:32 pm on Aug. 28, 2002

Quote: from RedCeltic on 1:15 am on Aug. 29, 2002
I believe that was also what the Germans told the Jews.Why do the goddam Nazis have to be resurrected for every argument in the world? Did the Japanese Americans suffer the same fate as the European Jews? You don't need to drag Hitler up to make a case against the U.S. government's actions. Your argument is much more credible without that exaggeration.

(Edited by vodun at 3:33 am on Aug. 29, 2002)


I never said the suffered the same treatment, nor was I exagerating. CI said it was for their own protection. I simply said that when Jews where rounded up and placed in the Ghettos, they where told it was for their own protection.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from RedCeltic on 11:06 am on Aug. 29, 2002

Quote: from vodun on 9:32 pm on Aug. 28, 2002

Quote: from RedCeltic on 1:15 am on Aug. 29, 2002
I believe that was also what the Germans told the Jews.Why do the goddam Nazis have to be resurrected for every argument in the world? Did the Japanese Americans suffer the same fate as the European Jews? You don't need to drag Hitler up to make a case against the U.S. government's actions. Your argument is much more credible without that exaggeration.

(Edited by vodun at 3:33 am on Aug. 29, 2002)


I never said the suffered the same treatment, nor was I exagerating. CI said it was for their own protection. I simply said that when Jews where rounded up and placed in the Ghettos, they where told it was for their own protection.

So the germans lied, and the americans told the truth

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from vox on 1:01 am on Aug. 29, 2002
"It was for their protection as well as american security."

Having all their property stolen by the gov't was for their protection?

Does anyone need further proof that CI is absolutely incapable of recognizing anything bad about the USA? He reminds me of the Stalinists: all those people had to suffer for their own good! HA!

vox


No, Vox, I admit that was deplorable. However, reparations have been made, which is more than I can say for the USSR and China relative to their atrocities against their own citizens, which were much worse than property seizure and temporary internment.

[new democracy]

"So the germans lied, and the americans told the truth ".
americans can lie too you know!!!!

[Anonymous]

here´s another concentration camp!




http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/upload/232.gif

[Pinko]

[Capitalist Imperial]
"However, reparations have been made, which is more than I can say for the USSR and China relative to their atrocities against their own citizens, which were much worse than property seizure and temporary internment."

*cough*BlackAmericans*cough*

[Mazdak]

The US intentionally kept Blacks donw. Did the USSR starve and kill millions for no reason? Did the Chinese die for no reason? No. The governments weren't intentionally trying to pointlessly murder people. They were trying to make progress.

[Stormin Norman]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't remember hearing about us evil Americans making lampshades out of the human skin of the people who were detained. It is a disgrace, for the German Americans were immune to this treatment. After the war these people were allowed to return to their broken lives, and the Japanese-Americans were never starved to death or gassed. Therefore, equating internment camps to concentration camps remains an illogical comparison. The methods and reasons were different in both cases. However, I am not defending the illegality of taking the rights of American citizens without due process of law. Essentially, that was the result of this program. It was a racially motivated destruction of lives although no one was intentionally killed as a result. The program could be justified by the protection of the American people, but I think this is a weak defense of such legislation. Fact remains it was politically popular, and the American people desired retribution for Pearl Harbor. This was simply a way to set the majority of minds at ease. Unfortunately, it affected a minority of hard-working, loyal citizens adversely.

[Xvall]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't remember hearing about us evil Americans making lampshades out of the human skin of the people who were detained.

No. But they DID murder millions of people, and beat ethnic minorities up for protesting and trying to expand the civil rights movement!

Therefore, equating internment camps to concentration camps remains an illogical comparison.

Concentration Camps are camps wherein people are forced to preform labor under heavey security. It has nothing to do with gassing people. Concentration camps existed long before Hitler was even born. Nowadays, they are called prisons.

[Stormin Norman]

"No. But they DID murder millions of people, and beat ethnic minorities up for protesting and trying to expand the civil rights movement!"

What millions of people are you talking about? Please provide documentation, if you can. I think you are making this up. The civil rights era was at a different time period. However, some looting and vandalism was perpetrated against Asian-Americans.

I felt that New Democracy was trying to equate the Japaneses Internment camps to that of German Concentration Camps. Would you also make that comparison, Drake?