cappis here are big bastards

[new democracy]

i must say that the cappis here are big hypocrites. i talked with allot of cappis(not here) and they admitted that the capitalist system is unfair but until someone will come up with something better the it is the best we have. but cappis here say that capitalism is a utopia. why can you admit that capitalism is unfair?

[Anonymous]

"i must say that the cappis here are big hypocrites.'

Check your own ass out.

" i talked with allot of cappis(not here) and they admitted that the capitalist system is unfair but until someone will come up with something better the it is the best we have."

Democrats.

"but cappis here say that capitalism is a utopia."

I don't recall anyone here ever saying capitalism was a utopia.

"why can you admit that capitalism is unfair?"

Well, because it's not.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 1:08 am on Aug. 28, 2002)

[new democracy]

if i understand his english correctly, concerned said it fair. here is the thread: http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=846 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=846) .

[American Kid]

You can reply to my PM, brah!!!!

[concerned]

Quote: from new democracy on 8:10 pm on Aug. 27, 2002
if i understand his english correctly, concerned said it fair. here is the thread: http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=846 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=846) .


No ND, I am afraid you don't understand my English correctly. I've NEVER said capitalism is an utopia. As a matter of fact capitalism is the most down to earth system, it takes into account human nature and the need for people to have incentives for giving the extra-work. On the other hand, socialism and communism, there you have a big utopia my friend. They are based on the false belief that people would work as hard just for the good of everyone else and not for any personal gain. Pretty utopian, don't you think?. Yes, in an utopia people would not be greedy, they would only care about the benefit of everyone else and not only their own, there would be no crime....

I also never said the capitalist system was unfair. In fact I said the complete opposite, of all the systems it is the most fair. I give reasons why, go back to the thread and read more carefully.

[Stormin Norman]

New democracry's post represents the typical lack of argument posed by most of the leftist on this board. Surely, anyone can seen the ignorance of his post, as it fails to convey any sort of a message. "Capitalist are bastards"! Really, did you come up with something so original on your own or did your mommy help you put that together. The more you write, ND, the more your youthful lack of experience and insight becomes apparent. Come to thinnk of it, you have never written anything that I would consider to be worth while.

In the future it may become possible for a person to receive an computerized upgrade to enhance their mental ability. For example, a chip could be implanted to broaden a persons memory, or one that will enhance the processing speed of the brain. New democracy, if you ever get the chance to upgrade your mind, I highly suggest you take it. At this point, a labotomy would be an improvement.

[marxistdisciple]

Like alphas, betas and epsilons SN? I think you should be first in mind for the microchip, myabe it will help the government work out dissidents too at an early age - added bonus?

Concerned - People aren't instantly greedy, completely selfish and highly competitive at birth, but they live in a system that helps those traits come out.

Is greed not a useful thing to have in a capitalist society? That doesn't mean it's a natural human trait. I know greedy people, but I also know people that aren't. Surely if it was inherantly human we would all be greedy and selfish?

I have a friend who spent three months in Sri Lanka, she told me on Friday that the biggest problem she thought a lot of the Sri Lankan's had was the fact that they were too alturistic and selfless for their own good - they didn't look for themselves enough. Contrast that to a capitalist society, where there is plenty of resources and plenty of fruitation for greed. When the only thing holding you back from wealth and power is ambition, then the nastiest most ambitious, least selfless people will get to the top, and it's not difficult to understand why.

Of course utopia is a dream, but that's the whole point in it - it's an almost unbelivable heaven. I don't think there would be money in heaven, it would be such a bad way to express human worth. In our current system, everybody knows money gives you power, is that democracy? If it is, then people missunderstand it, and if if it isn't, then why do the US preach on about it so?

There are variety of opinions on this board, but I think most people are socialists of some form or another. What would you rather take in to account before anything else; a) People's needs and wants or B) The aquisation of wealth?

It comes down to a simple concept in the end, if you invent a system which has as it's prime purpose, the ability to make money, this will naturally come at the expense of other things. You can hold this back by regulation, but the market always has the natural desire to create more money, and become greedier and greedier. This can be evidenced with CEO salaries...
not long ago they were about 42 times an average worker salary, now they average at about 400 times. If a worker salary had grown by the same rate, an average american would be paid $100,000 a year.

The system naturally supports inequality by it's nature, and inequality is, by it's definition, unfair. Marx wrote a book about this, but I notice cappies don't bother to read the theories they criticise. How can you know they are bad if you haven't even read them?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from marxistdisciple on 9:10 pm on Sep. 2, 2002
Like alphas, betas and epsilons SN? I think you should be first in mind for the microchip, myabe it will help the government work out dissidents too at an early age - added bonus?

Concerned - People aren't instantly greedy, completely selfish and highly competitive at birth, but they live in a system that helps those traits come out.

Is greed not a useful thing to have in a capitalist society? That doesn't mean it's a natural human trait. I know greedy people, but I also know people that aren't. Surely if it was inherantly human we would all be greedy and selfish?

I have a friend who spent three months in Sri Lanka, she told me on Friday that the biggest problem she thought a lot of the Sri Lankan's had was the fact that they were too alturistic and selfless for their own good - they didn't look for themselves enough. Contrast that to a capitalist society, where there is plenty of resources and plenty of fruitation for greed. When the only thing holding you back from wealth and power is ambition, then the nastiest most ambitious, least selfless people will get to the top, and it's not difficult to understand why.

Of course utopia is a dream, but that's the whole point in it - it's an almost unbelivable heaven. I don't think there would be money in heaven, it would be such a bad way to express human worth. In our current system, everybody knows money gives you power, is that democracy? If it is, then people missunderstand it, and if if it isn't, then why do the US preach on about it so?

There are variety of opinions on this board, but I think most people are socialists of some form or another. What would you rather take in to account before anything else; a) People's needs and wants or B) The aquisation of wealth?

It comes down to a simple concept in the end, if you invent a system which has as it's prime purpose, the ability to make money, this will naturally come at the expense of other things. You can hold this back by regulation, but the market always has the natural desire to create more money, and become greedier and greedier. This can be evidenced with CEO salaries...
not long ago they were about 42 times an average worker salary, now they average at about 400 times. If a worker salary had grown by the same rate, an average american would be paid $100,000 a year.

The system naturally supports inequality by it's nature, and inequality is, by it's definition, unfair. Marx wrote a book about this, but I notice cappies don't bother to read the theories they criticise. How can you know they are bad if you haven't even read them?

The comparison to BNW is not accurate, marxistdisciple. In the book, people were genetically pre-destined to specific aptitudes. What SN suggests is that perhaps in the future we can upgrade ourselves from our natural state, by choice. SN suggested no pretense of one's abilities being pre-destined from a test-tube.

[marxistdisciple]

You're probably right, I concede, although I don't like the idea of having a chip inside my head either.


Why didn't you reply to the rest of my post?

[EndUsaLies]

this goes out to "dark capitalist"
how can you say that capitalism is unfair, when smart people that grow up in a poor environment have less of a chance of getting into a good college than dumb kids from rich environments?

[Smoking Frog II]

Quote from RATM:

'If we don't take action now,
We'll settle for nothing later,
We'll settle for nothing now,
And we'll settle for nothing later.'

I agree with you, EndUsaLies.

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The Frog has spoken.

[Chasovoy]

I would like to hear your answer, dark capitalist!

[anrkocommie]

Quote: from concerned on 6:34 am on Aug. 30, No ND, I am afraid you don't understand my English correctly. I've NEVER said capitalism is an utopia. As a matter of fact capitalism is the most down to earth system, it takes into account human nature and the need for people to have incentives for giving the extra-work.

Heh, good one, you make it sound like capitalism isn't a follow up on feudalism and the protection of resources for the benefit of the rich, but some sort of democratic decision to go for "incentives for giving the extra-work."

Show me a true movement in the course of history when commoners were hitting the streets and chanting "give incentive, give incentive"...

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from marxistdisciple on 1:39 am on Sep. 3, 2002
You're probably right, I concede, although I don't like the idea of having a chip inside my head either.


Why didn't you reply to the rest of my post?


because most of it was legit

[Action]

yes.

[marxistdisciple]

"because most of it was legit "

Excellent, my case is rested, capitalism is not the natural state of humanity.