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Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 23:47

Quote: from La Rainbeaux on 11:41 pm on Aug. 24, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 5:33 pm on Aug. 24, 2002

Quote: from La Rainbeaux on 11:30 pm on Aug. 24, 2002
I saw it on CNN. In GA, there was an exhibit somewhere, I can't remember where exactly, and it included pictures of blacks being hanged, burned, and tortured in other ways. Some people were really disturbed by these pictures and didn't think that the pictures should have been shown but others felt that it was necessary that people see what really went down back then. I wish I could have seen it, but I couldn't. It may have been in Atlanta..

I'm sure I can find out some how.

but I really hope people like CI get something out of the website.

I mean after all he does think I should be on my knees thanking the US for bringing my people hereYeah, he really pissed me off with that hippo and "you people should be glad" bullshit. He claims he's not racist, but I think you have to be somewhat of a bigot if you can even say something like that.. It's just not cool. He, and anyone like him, needs to learn. How would he like it if I put a noose around his inconsiderate, capitalist, white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant, prejudiced neck? (or whatever the hell he is)... I don't think he would.

I'm pretty sure he's part jewish

which baffels me even more

Jewish people and Black people both experienced genocide and slavery so why is he like that?

Thank this country for what? I don't remember asking to come here...do you?

Then he's like then go back to Africa

let me make this utterly clear Africans don't consider us African, atleast not like them.

So basicaly we are americans and deserve to be here, even if they hate us

Xvall

24th August 2002, 23:48

Get a load of THAT. Now if they found pictures of some Islamic group having done that; they would be screaming bloddy murder. The Government would call an end to their evil-doing group! But why doesn't the government give a shit that THIS particular group has gotten away with it!? God know that the military would have bombed the crap out of whatever Arab country; but they didn't invade the south.

Lardlad95

24th August 2002, 23:51

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 11:48 pm on Aug. 24, 2002
Get a load of THAT. Now if they found pictures of some Islamic group having done that; they would be screaming bloddy murder. The Government would call an end to their evil-doing group! But why doesn't the government give a shit that THIS particular group has gotten away with it!? God know that the military would have bombed the crap out of whatever Arab country; but they didn't invade the south.

Thats a good point.....a really good point.

They are always on Castro and The Chinese Government for the treatment of people......did they see Till's face?

That shit looked like a peice of fuckin playdo and they didn't do a damn thing.

Solzhenitsyn

25th August 2002, 00:09

Sasafrás

25th August 2002, 00:14

Quote: from Solzhenitsyn on 6:09 pm on Aug. 24, 2002

Get a load of THAT. Now if they found pictures of some Islamic group having done that; they would be screaming bloddy murder. The Government would call an end to their evil-doing group! But why doesn't the government give a shit that THIS particular group has gotten away with it!? God know that the military would have bombed the crap out of whatever Arab country; but they didn't invade the south.

At least read the photo captions before commenting, Drake. Since when have Indiana and Nebraska been considered a part of Dixie?
Shut the hell up. That's not really the point. The primary topic is Till and that did happen down South.

(Edited by La Rainbeaux at 6:15 pm on Aug. 24, 2002)

Lardlad95

25th August 2002, 00:18

Quote: from Solzhenitsyn on 12:09 am on Aug. 25, 2002

Get a load of THAT. Now if they found pictures of some Islamic group having done that; they would be screaming bloddy murder. The Government would call an end to their evil-doing group! But why doesn't the government give a shit that THIS particular group has gotten away with it!? God know that the military would have bombed the crap out of whatever Arab country; but they didn't invade the south.

At least read the photo captions before commenting, Drake. Since when have Indiana and Nebraska been considered a part of Dixie?

yes please give us your opinion on the point of the website

Marxist1848

25th August 2002, 00:35

Nice pics.
I love this...how the US critisizes everyone for inhumane treatment of this and that but burned bpeople not too long ago.
HIPOCRACY!

pastradamus

25th August 2002, 00:42

Thats absouloutly horrible.
What makes it more disgusting is that it attracts an audience.What do these people get outta seeing another human being suffer a thousand deaths?
& the way theres a young audience is awfull,they arent animals roaming around starting havoc,they are our equals & our brother & sisters,not sum plague.

People who do this shit should burn in hell for their crimes.

Reuben

25th August 2002, 00:47

really horrible to look at though every one must so they can see what the US was founded on

Lardlad95

25th August 2002, 01:02

Quote: from pastradamus on 12:42 am on Aug. 25, 2002
Thats absouloutly horrible.
What makes it more disgusting is that it attracts an audience.What do these people get outta seeing another human being suffer a thousand deaths?
& the way theres a young audience is awfull,they arent animals roaming around starting havoc,they are our equals & our brother & sisters,not sum plague.

People who do this shit should burn in hell for their crimes.

I know it really makes you sick to your stomach that people would watch it as entertainment.

I mean wheres the joy in another's dying and suffering?

Yet the US did nothing to stop it

Mazdak

25th August 2002, 01:16

I have seen a few... I saw them on a criminal history website. They have an interesting article on Leon Czogolsz, in my opinion, a great hero to anarchists everywhere.

Solzhenitsyn

25th August 2002, 02:06

Shut the hell up. That's not really the point. The primary topic is Till and that did happen down South.

The primary topic is not Till but that website's photographs. Contextual reading dumbass.

Black leaders are hypocrites when they bring shit like this up. Case in point: During the L.A. Riots, rioting blacks made it a point to target Koreans. Nothing like a few good anti-Korean pogroms to advance the cause of civil rights, hmmm? Anyone remember the Crown Heights massacre? Blacks don't have an exactly spotless record when it comes to ethnic violence and terrorism.

If atrocious behavior is the standard for military intervention, I guess we should nuke the South right after L.A. for the vicious Reginald Denny beating.

(Edited by Solzhenitsyn at 7:07 pm on Aug. 24, 2002)

Lardlad95

25th August 2002, 04:23

Quote: from Solzhenitsyn on 2:06 am on Aug. 25, 2002

Shut the hell up. That's not really the point. The primary topic is Till and that did happen down South.

The primary topic is not Till but that website's photographs. Contextual reading dumbass.

Black leaders are hypocrites when they bring shit like this up. Case in point: During the L.A. Riots, rioting blacks made it a point to target Koreans. Nothing like a few good anti-Korean pogroms to advance the cause of civil rights, hmmm? Anyone remember the Crown Heights massacre? Blacks don't have an exactly spotless record when it comes to ethnic violence and terrorism.

If atrocious behavior is the standard for military intervention, I guess we should nuke the South right after L.A. for the vicious Reginald Denny beating.

(Edited by Solzhenitsyn at 7:07 pm on Aug. 24, 2002)

Are you saying what some people in LA did justifies what happened in the south?

Your a moron.

Jewish people kill Palestinians does that justify the Holocuast?

i doubt it does.

Your statement isn't even relavent.

If I kill you, does someone killing me mean that it was ok to kill you?

No it isn't.

Hypocrites? How the hell can they be hypocrites did black leaders ever deny what happened?

No they didn't, so shut the hell up.

Solzhenitsyn

25th August 2002, 07:42

I cannot even begin to describe what a illogical argument that was, LardLad. Trying to posit your own position to me. One problem: I don't remember justifing actions taken by the KKK in the 20's like leftists do with L.A., Miami, and Cincinnati.

No, black leaders and leftists (except Sharpton - who emphatically denies the Crown Heights pogrom was his fault even though he was screaming about "blood-sucking Jew bastards" 10 minutes before the killings took place) do not deny what happened. Instead, they try to justify the brutal thuggery of LA by pointing toward lynchings and the ubiquitous "white oppression". To sum up the argument: Their murderous behavior is directly attributable to whites and past events that they did not personally experience.

I have zero sympathy for people who cry about ethnic killings done 80+ years ago but not only feel inclined to engage in such behavior themselves but also feel justified when they do. None.

Anonymous

25th August 2002, 09:02

What's the point of this thread? Bash Whitey?

Everyone knows there was lynching and torture. You act like all of America is completely responsible for the deaths of those blacks.

Anonymous

25th August 2002, 09:06

Quote: from Reuben on 5:47 am on Aug. 25, 2002
really horrible to look at though every one must so they can see what the US was founded on

LOL, LOL, ROTFLMAO, LOL, LOL, LOL

Yeah, sure.

Lardlad95

25th August 2002, 15:18

Quote: from Solzhenitsyn on 7:42 am on Aug. 25, 2002
I cannot even begin to describe what a illogical argument that was, LardLad. Trying to posit your own position to me. One problem: I don't remember justifing actions taken by the KKK in the 20's like leftists do with L.A., Miami, and Cincinnati.

No, black leaders and leftists (except Sharpton - who emphatically denies the Crown Heights pogrom was his fault even though he was screaming about "blood-sucking Jew bastards" 10 minutes before the killings took place) do not deny what happened. Instead, they try to justify the brutal thuggery of LA by pointing toward lynchings and the ubiquitous "white oppression". To sum up the argument: Their murderous behavior is directly attributable to whites and past events that they did not personally experience.

I have zero sympathy for people who cry about ethnic killings done 80+ years ago but not only feel inclined to engage in such behavior themselves but also feel justified when they do. None.

Did I say that what happened in La was right?

Did I? Tell me where I said it was ok.

I have never heard any black person say that lynchings justify the LA riots.

Do you have any sympathy for what happened? Or do you just feel it doesn't matter now.

I know if it had been your people you would still care.

You must have not looked at those pictures, or you are heartless.

Do you not see what this was?

No you bring something else up, no i blieve you are trying to justify lynchings aren't you.

Lardlad95

25th August 2002, 15:23

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 9:02 am on Aug. 25, 2002
What's the point of this thread? Bash Whitey?

Everyone knows there was lynching and torture. You act like all of America is completely responsible for the deaths of those blacks.

Oh you are right, lets just forget it ever happened right?

People like you just don't get it do you?

Those men didn't do a damn thing, but they were hanged and burned like criminals.

If you were sitting in your house and a man comes up to your door with a group of men, tells your dad to come outside, they beat him, cut of his man hood,hang him, burn him. And you watched helpless from your window.

Are you telling me that you would want your children and your children's children to forget what happened to your father.

Just to let it go?

Obviously your father didn't mean that much to you then.

Solzhenitsyn

25th August 2002, 16:37

Did I say that what happened in La was right?

Did I? Tell me where I said it was ok.

I have never heard any black person say that lynchings justify the LA riots.

Do you have any sympathy for what happened? Or do you just feel it doesn't matter now.

I know if it had been your people you would still care.

You must have not looked at those pictures, or you are heartless.

Do you not see what this was?

No you bring something else up, no i blieve you are trying to justify lynchings aren't you.

Brief review.
. . . they try to justify the brutal thuggery of LA by pointing toward lynchings and the ubiquitous "white oppression". To sum up the argument: Their murderous behavior is directly attributable to whites and past events that they did not personally experience.

Is that not what you and your ilk argue? How is that not an attempt to justify the murderous behavior at L.A.?

You see Lardlad, when people try to garner symphathy for blacks by potraying them soley as victims of white lynch mobs, it's only fair to point out that blacks generate plenty of inter-ethnic violence themselves.

If you were sitting in your house and a man comes up to your door with a group of men, tells your dad to come outside, they beat him, cut of his man hood,hang him, burn him. And you watched helpless from your window.

I'd come out with all guns blazing. Of the many dark deeds of the segregationalists, depriving blacks of firearms ranks as one the worst. The sole intent of those gun control laws was to leave blacks at the mercy of the lyncher without any defense whatsoever. Nothing breaks up a lynch mob (or riot) like randomly pumping bullets into it.

Lardlad95

25th August 2002, 16:45

Quote: from Solzhenitsyn on 4:37 pm on Aug. 25, 2002

Did I say that what happened in La was right?

Did I? Tell me where I said it was ok.

I have never heard any black person say that lynchings justify the LA riots.

Do you have any sympathy for what happened? Or do you just feel it doesn't matter now.

I know if it had been your people you would still care.

You must have not looked at those pictures, or you are heartless.

Do you not see what this was?

No you bring something else up, no i blieve you are trying to justify lynchings aren't you.

Brief review.
. . . they try to justify the brutal thuggery of LA by pointing toward lynchings and the ubiquitous "white oppression". To sum up the argument: Their murderous behavior is directly attributable to whites and past events that they did not personally experience.

Is that not what you and your ilk argue? How is that not an attempt to justify the murderous behavior at L.A.?

You see Lardlad, when people try to garner symphathy for blacks by potraying them soley as victims of white lynch mobs, it's only fair to point out that blacks generate plenty of inter-ethnic violence themselves.

If you were sitting in your house and a man comes up to your door with a group of men, tells your dad to come outside, they beat him, cut of his man hood,hang him, burn him. And you watched helpless from your window.

I'd come out with all guns blazing. Of the many dark deeds of the segregationalists, depriving blacks of firearms ranks as one the worst. The sole intent of those gun control laws was to leave blacks at the mercy of the lyncher without any defense whatsoever. Nothing breaks up a lynch mob (or riot) like randomly pumping bullets into it.

I understand what you are trying to see.

However primarily in the south who was lynched?

I realize Black people weren't the only ones who were treated this way.

But the thing is that people need to remember what happened was wrong.

I mean Were Jewish people the only people killed by the Germans? But we all remember the Halocaust.

I also understand that Black People aren't crime less, but that doesn't mean this still wasn't wrong.

Also even if a black man had a gun do you think if he shot them away they wouldn't retaliate.

If he did they would come after him and his family

Lardlad95

25th August 2002, 16:48

by the way black generated violence doesn't come from the lynchings.

It comes from an ignorant few.

Just like the KKK.

I'm not gonna hold the white race responsible for the lynchings.

I do however hold the US government reponsible for not doing enough to stop it.

Capitalist Imperial

25th August 2002, 17:21

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 11:47 pm on Aug. 24, 2002

Quote: from La Rainbeaux on 11:41 pm on Aug. 24, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 5:33 pm on Aug. 24, 2002

Quote: from La Rainbeaux on 11:30 pm on Aug. 24, 2002
I saw it on CNN. In GA, there was an exhibit somewhere, I can't remember where exactly, and it included pictures of blacks being hanged, burned, and tortured in other ways. Some people were really disturbed by these pictures and didn't think that the pictures should have been shown but others felt that it was necessary that people see what really went down back then. I wish I could have seen it, but I couldn't. It may have been in Atlanta..

I'm sure I can find out some how.

but I really hope people like CI get something out of the website.

I mean after all he does think I should be on my knees thanking the US for bringing my people hereYeah, he really pissed me off with that hippo and "you people should be glad" bullshit. He claims he's not racist, but I think you have to be somewhat of a bigot if you can even say something like that.. It's just not cool. He, and anyone like him, needs to learn. How would he like it if I put a noose around his inconsiderate, capitalist, white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant, prejudiced neck? (or whatever the hell he is)... I don't think he would.

I'm pretty sure he's part jewish

which baffels me even more

Jewish people and Black people both experienced genocide and slavery so why is he like that?

Thank this country for what? I don't remember asking to come here...do you?

Then he's like then go back to Africa

let me make this utterly clear Africans don't consider us African, atleast not like them.

So basicaly we are americans and deserve to be here, even if they hate us

I'm not part jewish (not that there's anything wrong with that).

I apologize for previous coments. I think they were misunderstood. My point is that modern african americans are not due reparations due to history. If that was the case, I could say the same thing for white people whose relatives were oppressed and tortured and killed by the moores., Or any race that has been attacked or oppressed throughout history.

Every race has conducted tyranny, and every race has suffered oppresion.

Therefore, everyone deserves reparations, right?

Lets just call it even.

Capitalist Imperial

25th August 2002, 17:27

Quote: from Marxist1848 on 12:35 am on Aug. 25, 2002
Nice pics.
I love this...how the US critisizes everyone for inhumane treatment of this and that but burned bpeople not too long ago.
HIPOCRACY!]

Its hardly hipocracy.

You people have no ability to abstract.

The US has evolved past this behavior and practice, and we all concede that what happened then was atrocious and wrong. We learned from our mistakes. Hes, we know it was horrible.

We are condemning fundamentalist groups that are still practicing this type of behavior TODAY!!!

AS WE SPEAK!!!

Is that to hard to understand?

What you peoiple claiming "hypocrite" are saying is that, because we conducted this sort of practice 150 years ago, we should not condemn it today?

Yeah, that makes sense.

Lardlad95

25th August 2002, 17:29

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:21 pm on Aug. 25, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 11:47 pm on Aug. 24, 2002

Quote: from La Rainbeaux on 11:41 pm on Aug. 24, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 5:33 pm on Aug. 24, 2002

Quote: from La Rainbeaux on 11:30 pm on Aug. 24, 2002
I saw it on CNN. In GA, there was an exhibit somewhere, I can't remember where exactly, and it included pictures of blacks being hanged, burned, and tortured in other ways. Some people were really disturbed by these pictures and didn't think that the pictures should have been shown but others felt that it was necessary that people see what really went down back then. I wish I could have seen it, but I couldn't. It may have been in Atlanta..

I'm sure I can find out some how.

but I really hope people like CI get something out of the website.

I mean after all he does think I should be on my knees thanking the US for bringing my people hereYeah, he really pissed me off with that hippo and "you people should be glad" bullshit. He claims he's not racist, but I think you have to be somewhat of a bigot if you can even say something like that.. It's just not cool. He, and anyone like him, needs to learn. How would he like it if I put a noose around his inconsiderate, capitalist, white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant, prejudiced neck? (or whatever the hell he is)... I don't think he would.

I'm pretty sure he's part jewish

which baffels me even more

Jewish people and Black people both experienced genocide and slavery so why is he like that?

Thank this country for what? I don't remember asking to come here...do you?

Then he's like then go back to Africa

let me make this utterly clear Africans don't consider us African, atleast not like them.

So basicaly we are americans and deserve to be here, even if they hate us

I'm not part jewish (not that there's anything wrong with that).

I apologize for previous coments. I think they were misunderstood. My point is that modern african americans are not due reparations due to history. If that was the case, I could say the same thing for white people whose relatives were oppressed and tortured and killed by the moores., Or any race that has been attacked or oppressed throughout history.

Every race has conducted tyranny, and every race has suffered oppresion.

Therefore, everyone deserves reparations, right?

Lets just call it even.

Even? Its not even.

nothing makes things like that even.

Nothing justifies opression.

I'm black and some white guy kicks my ass, if another black guy kicks a chinese guys ass does that mean everything is even?

Hell no.

I'm not asking for reperations. That wasn't the point of this thread.

THe point was

1) for my fellow black people to remember our history

2) for everyone else to see these horrors so that this chapter in american history wont be forgotten

If you guys want me to find a site for the rest of you guy's races opression I will

you guys history shouldn't be forgotten.

This is my hisory, its important to me.

Just like yours is to you

Capitalist Imperial

25th August 2002, 17:30

Quote: from Solzhenitsyn on 2:06 am on Aug. 25, 2002

Shut the hell up. That's not really the point. The primary topic is Till and that did happen down South.

The primary topic is not Till but that website's photographs. Contextual reading dumbass.

Black leaders are hypocrites when they bring shit like this up. Case in point: During the L.A. Riots, rioting blacks made it a point to target Koreans. Nothing like a few good anti-Korean pogroms to advance the cause of civil rights, hmmm? Anyone remember the Crown Heights massacre? Blacks don't have an exactly spotless record when it comes to ethnic violence and terrorism.

If atrocious behavior is the standard for military intervention, I guess we should nuke the South right after L.A. for the vicious Reginald Denny beating.

(Edited by Solzhenitsyn at 7:07 pm on Aug. 24, 2002)

LOOL, Blacks in the LA riots did not really give a shit about civil rights.

Those were mostly uneducated thugs looking for an excuse to get a new TV.

and Lardlad and Rainbeaux, don't even try to deny this. I'm from Cali, I know what happened there.

Lardlad95

25th August 2002, 17:34

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:30 pm on Aug. 25, 2002

Quote: from Solzhenitsyn on 2:06 am on Aug. 25, 2002

Shut the hell up. That's not really the point. The primary topic is Till and that did happen down South.

The primary topic is not Till but that website's photographs. Contextual reading dumbass.

Black leaders are hypocrites when they bring shit like this up. Case in point: During the L.A. Riots, rioting blacks made it a point to target Koreans. Nothing like a few good anti-Korean pogroms to advance the cause of civil rights, hmmm? Anyone remember the Crown Heights massacre? Blacks don't have an exactly spotless record when it comes to ethnic violence and terrorism.

If atrocious behavior is the standard for military intervention, I guess we should nuke the South right after L.A. for the vicious Reginald Denny beating.

(Edited by Solzhenitsyn at 7:07 pm on Aug. 24, 2002)

LOOL, Blacks in the LA riots did not really give a shit about civil rights.

Those were mostly uneducated thugs looking for an excuse to get a new TV.

and Lardlad and Rainbeaux, don't even try to deny this. I'm from Cali, I know what happened there.

who said I tired to deny this?

But are you saying that it had nothing to do with this?

Are you saying that it had nothing to do with black people being angry and fed up?

Of course alot fo people doing it used it as an excuse,

of course others were serious about it.

but alot of people abused the statement

Lardlad95

25th August 2002, 17:38

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:30 pm on Aug. 25, 2002

Quote: from Solzhenitsyn on 2:06 am on Aug. 25, 2002

Shut the hell up. That's not really the point. The primary topic is Till and that did happen down South.

The primary topic is not Till but that website's photographs. Contextual reading dumbass.

Black leaders are hypocrites when they bring shit like this up. Case in point: During the L.A. Riots, rioting blacks made it a point to target Koreans. Nothing like a few good anti-Korean pogroms to advance the cause of civil rights, hmmm? Anyone remember the Crown Heights massacre? Blacks don't have an exactly spotless record when it comes to ethnic violence and terrorism.

If atrocious behavior is the standard for military intervention, I guess we should nuke the South right after L.A. for the vicious Reginald Denny beating.

(Edited by Solzhenitsyn at 7:07 pm on Aug. 24, 2002)

LOOL, Blacks in the LA riots did not really give a shit about civil rights.

Those were mostly uneducated thugs looking for an excuse to get a new TV.

and Lardlad and Rainbeaux, don't even try to deny this. I'm from Cali, I know what happened there.

not to mention you also werent there so some of that may be true some may not be

besides did you get the white version or the black version??

What actualy happened we wont really knwo because every version is biased

Xvall

25th August 2002, 18:30

DARK CAPITALIST
What's the point of this thread? Bash Whitey?

Funny. No one is 'bashing whitey'. Just because we are upset about white racism doesn't mean we are 'bashing whitey'.

Everyone knows there was lynching and torture. You act like all of America is completely responsible for the deaths of those blacks.

No, the KKK and other Extremist Groups are responsible for that. My point is, that if they found a video of some Al Quieda people doing things like that to someone, they would call it terrorism, and go on some campaign to 'root them out'. The KKK hasn't even been sued, let alone labeled as a terrorist orginization, even for the things it does.

SOL
You see Lardlad, when people try to garner symphathy for blacks by potraying them soley as victims of white lynch mobs, it's only fair to point out that blacks generate plenty of inter-ethnic violence themselves.

Correct. There is PLEANTY of black racism out there, and I have no problem with you 'pointing it out'. However, it does not negate the fact that there has been much White Racism as well, long before any sort of black racism was surfacing. You also spoke about Black Leaders being 'hypocrites' when they complain about white racism. How is that hypocritical? Because Black racism exists as well? If so, then you seem to think that everyone is respoinsible for every hate crime a person of their ethnicity has commited, regardless of the fact that the probably don't support it. He's not trying to make any 'Damn you White people!' statement. He's pointing something out, something that happened. Do not deny it. If a Jewish person pointed out the Holocaust, would you start going - 'Well, you know; you jews have done some pretty mean things too! Don't complain! It's hypocritical!' Because that is exactly what you are saying to the blacks, because they point out the horrible things that the KKK has done.

Lardlad95

25th August 2002, 22:00

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 6:30 pm on Aug. 25, 2002
DARK CAPITALIST
What's the point of this thread? Bash Whitey?

Funny. No one is 'bashing whitey'. Just because we are upset about white racism doesn't mean we are 'bashing whitey'.

Everyone knows there was lynching and torture. You act like all of America is completely responsible for the deaths of those blacks.

No, the KKK and other Extremist Groups are responsible for that. My point is, that if they found a video of some Al Quieda people doing things like that to someone, they would call it terrorism, and go on some campaign to 'root them out'. The KKK hasn't even been sued, let alone labeled as a terrorist orginization, even for the things it does.

SOL
You see Lardlad, when people try to garner symphathy for blacks by potraying them soley as victims of white lynch mobs, it's only fair to point out that blacks generate plenty of inter-ethnic violence themselves.

Correct. There is PLEANTY of black racism out there, and I have no problem with you 'pointing it out'. However, it does not negate the fact that there has been much White Racism as well, long before any sort of black racism was surfacing. You also spoke about Black Leaders being 'hypocrites' when they complain about white racism. How is that hypocritical? Because Black racism exists as well? If so, then you seem to think that everyone is respoinsible for every hate crime a person of their ethnicity has commited, regardless of the fact that the probably don't support it. He's not trying to make any 'Damn you White people!' statement. He's pointing something out, something that happened. Do not deny it. If a Jewish person pointed out the Holocaust, would you start going - 'Well, you know; you jews have done some pretty mean things too! Don't complain! It's hypocritical!' Because that is exactly what you are saying to the blacks, because they point out the horrible things that the KKK has done.

good job

Smith

28th August 2002, 18:46

I had a look at these pictures and they were disgusting. Black people shoudn't have been treated like that. It was horrible that whites enjoyed watching the blacks getting hung.

Lardlad i have to agree with CI on that you should be pleased that the Americians brought your people over there. I bet you prefer living in America to Africa.

Xvall

28th August 2002, 21:57

So If I kidnap a bunch of children in Indonesia, and bring them here; killing and torturing them if they disobey me for decades. It's okay? Right? Because now they're in America! That's the dumbest thing I've heard! Sorry, but really! Weather or not America is better than Africa we do not know, because Africa was imperialized by a bunch of European countries; and had no time to progress like other places. We have no idea what Africa would be like were it nor for the interferences caused by other countries. Africa is in the state it is now because having the life sucked out of it for a few hundred years left is at a bit of a disadvantage, don't you think?

Lardlad95

28th August 2002, 22:03

Quote: from Smith on 6:46 pm on Aug. 28, 2002
I had a look at these pictures and they were disgusting. Black people shoudn't have been treated like that. It was horrible that whites enjoyed watching the blacks getting hung.

Lardlad i have to agree with CI on that you should be pleased that the Americians brought your people over there. I bet you prefer living in America to Africa.

I should be fuckin pleased? What the hell? Who knows what I preffer I haven't lived in Africa...i plan to visit there one day though.

I'm not gonna be pleaseda bout what happened.

Nothing justifies slavery...there is something seriously wrong with your perspective of what is good for people and what isn't.

Like Drak said if you kidnap some people and bring them here and torture and enslave them does living in America make it all worht while?

Smith

28th August 2002, 22:15

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 9:57 pm on Aug. 28, 2002
So If I kidnap a bunch of children in Indonesia, and bring them here; killing and torturing them if they disobey me for decades. It's okay? Right? Because now they're in America! That's the dumbest thing I've heard! Sorry, but really! Weather or not America is better than Africa we do not know, because Africa was imperialized by a bunch of European countries; and had no time to progress like other places. We have no idea what Africa would be like were it nor for the interferences caused by other countries. Africa is in the state it is now because having the life sucked out of it for a few hundred years left is at a bit of a disadvantage, don't you think?

I was just saying blacks have it much easier in America than if they were in Africa. I diasagre with the way they were treated. It was completly wrong, we should never have brought them to America in the first place.

Drake of course we know America is better than Africa. Look at the standard of living. Africa had plenty of time to advance before the Europeans came. And you blame the Europeans for Africa's problems now? When Africa was under Eureopean rule the average black had a much better life before Africa was colinized.

Sasafrás

28th August 2002, 22:17

Wait. I haven't been here in a while and CI said my name as if I'm an active participant.

CI, I don't know too much about those riots. I lived in Cali back in 1989 when things were different, plus, I was in Frisco where things were very different, if you know what I mean. ;)

I'm sure that for the most part, younger people who participated really didn't give a shit about civil rights. I'm not gonna deny that. But we can't assume that they made up the majority.

Oh yes, Smith. It was so horrible that the whites did that to the blacks. Boy am I glad that they brought by ancestors here without their consent. At least here in the good 'ol U S of A, they were killed like real men, being hanged and all.

What an asshole.

Lardlad95

28th August 2002, 22:18

Quote: from Smith on 10:15 pm on Aug. 28, 2002

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 9:57 pm on Aug. 28, 2002
So If I kidnap a bunch of children in Indonesia, and bring them here; killing and torturing them if they disobey me for decades. It's okay? Right? Because now they're in America! That's the dumbest thing I've heard! Sorry, but really! Weather or not America is better than Africa we do not know, because Africa was imperialized by a bunch of European countries; and had no time to progress like other places. We have no idea what Africa would be like were it nor for the interferences caused by other countries. Africa is in the state it is now because having the life sucked out of it for a few hundred years left is at a bit of a disadvantage, don't you think?

I was just saying blacks have it much easier in America than if they were in Africa. I diasagre with the way they were treated. It was completly wrong, we should never have brought them to America in the first place.

Drake of course we know America is better than Africa. Look at the standard of living. Africa had plenty of time to advance before the Europeans came. And you blame the Europeans for Africa's problems now? When Africa was under Eureopean rule the average black had a much better life before Africa was colinized.

Oh yeah blacks in south Africa had a great standard of living in the past few decades.

BULLSHIT

Why is assumed that because they lived in tribal lands that they had a low standard of living? Because they didn't have the same technology and superior attitude that the Europeans had.

I bet they were alot happier when some whit guys weren't forcing them off their own land and putting them in back breaking labor

Lardlad95

28th August 2002, 22:21

Quote: from La Rainbeaux on 10:17 pm on Aug. 28, 2002
Wait. I haven't been here in a while and CI said my name as if I'm an active participant.

CI, I don't know too much about those riots. I lived in Cali back in 1989 when things were different, plus, I was in Frisco where things were very different, if you know what I mean. ;)

I'm sure that for the most part, younger people who participated really didn't give a shit about civil rights. I'm not gonna deny that. But we can't assume that they made up the majority.

Oh yes, Smith. It was so horrible that the whites did that to the blacks. Boy am I glad that they brought by ancestors here without their consent. At least here in the good 'ol U S of A, they were killed like real men, being hanged and all.

What an asshole.

thats why I love you Shayla.

I most defenitley agree.

BEcause of things are the way there are now (which still isn't....as great as it could be) that doesn't justify what ever happened back then.

Not to mention Africans have oly in the recent century receieved respect.

And in some areas we still face racism and discriminnation and some black people still have it awful

Smith

28th August 2002, 22:36

La Rainbeaux i agree with you it was wrong for the white people of America to bring blacks over here and then treat them the way they did. I believe it would have better for both sides if we had left the black people in Africa.

I am mearly pointing it out now you are here in America you get a much better life than you if you were still living in Africa.

Lardlad blacks had a better standard of living under white rule than they do now in South Africa. I can post some stats if you want.

Sasafrás

28th August 2002, 22:39

Smith, sorry for calling you an asshole. :)

Quote: from Smith on 4:36 pm on Aug. 28, 2002
Lardlad blacks had a better standard of living under white rule than they do now in South Africa. I can post some stats if you want.Well, are you sure the standard of living was better? The blacks lived in ragged townships, from what I've gathered. I think that no matter who's in charge now, it's really difficult to completely bring up & elevate the black race (in South Africa) because of the terror and oppression from the past. It wasn't that great.

PS: I just edited that because I realized I put it in the wrong verb tenses. :)

(Edited by La Rainbeaux at 4:48 pm on Aug. 28, 2002)

Lardlad95

28th August 2002, 22:44

Quote: from Smith on 10:36 pm on Aug. 28, 2002
La Rainbeaux i agree with you it was wrong for the white people of America to bring blacks over here and then treat them the way they did. I believe it would have better for both sides if we had left the black people in Africa.

I am mearly pointing it out now you are here in America you get a much better life than you if you were still living in Africa.

Lardlad blacks had a better standard of living under white rule than they do now in South Africa. I can post some stats if you want.

Your kidding of course?

When South Africa was ruled by white people (up until the 1990's)

Black people lived Horribly, they had to carry passe everwhere

they could be beaten by police for little or no reason.

Thrown in jail for the littlest thing and submitted to torture. A chair that electricuted you in increments.

Townships were poor as all hell.

Police raids in the middle of the nights for no apparant reason.

White people could hit a black person and nothing would be down about it.

I suggest reading more about AParthied

and read Kaffir Boy by Mark Mathbane

Guest

29th August 2002, 04:23

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:18 pm on Aug. 28, 2002

Quote: from Smith on 10:15 pm on Aug. 28, 2002

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 9:57 pm on Aug. 28, 2002
So If I kidnap a bunch of children in Indonesia, and bring them here; killing and torturing them if they disobey me for decades. It's okay? Right? Because now they're in America! That's the dumbest thing I've heard! Sorry, but really! Weather or not America is better than Africa we do not know, because Africa was imperialized by a bunch of European countries; and had no time to progress like other places. We have no idea what Africa would be like were it nor for the interferences caused by other countries. Africa is in the state it is now because having the life sucked out of it for a few hundred years left is at a bit of a disadvantage, don't you think?

I was just saying blacks have it much easier in America than if they were in Africa. I diasagre with the way they were treated. It was completly wrong, we should never have brought them to America in the first place.

Drake of course we know America is better than Africa. Look at the standard of living. Africa had plenty of time to advance before the Europeans came. And you blame the Europeans for Africa's problems now? When Africa was under Eureopean rule the average black had a much better life before Africa was colinized.

Oh yeah blacks in south Africa had a great standard of living in the past few decades.

BULLSHIT

Why is assumed that because they lived in tribal lands that they had a low standard of living? Because they didn't have the same technology and superior attitude that the Europeans had.

I bet they were alot happier when some whit guys weren't forcing them off their own land and putting them in back breaking labor

I think you fail notice that its human nature to extort others, I'm positive blacks would've done the same thing if they had the oppertunity and had managed to get beyond the stone age.

This thread does seem to be devoted to white bashing, and honestly its past, whites do not go around torturing blacks for no reason now, and they didn't in the past, they might've over reacted and done horrible things for small crimes, but they were still crimes, they didn't just kill people to get a kick out of it, the white racist is not some evil sadisitic demons out there to make blacks unhappy and take them away from a poverty and diseased filled africa to america where they can be mistreated by people instead of nature.

Lardlad95

29th August 2002, 04:52

Quote: from Guest on 4:23 am on Aug. 29, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:18 pm on Aug. 28, 2002

Quote: from Smith on 10:15 pm on Aug. 28, 2002

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 9:57 pm on Aug. 28, 2002
So If I kidnap a bunch of children in Indonesia, and bring them here; killing and torturing them if they disobey me for decades. It's okay? Right? Because now they're in America! That's the dumbest thing I've heard! Sorry, but really! Weather or not America is better than Africa we do not know, because Africa was imperialized by a bunch of European countries; and had no time to progress like other places. We have no idea what Africa would be like were it nor for the interferences caused by other countries. Africa is in the state it is now because having the life sucked out of it for a few hundred years left is at a bit of a disadvantage, don't you think?

I was just saying blacks have it much easier in America than if they were in Africa. I diasagre with the way they were treated. It was completly wrong, we should never have brought them to America in the first place.

Drake of course we know America is better than Africa. Look at the standard of living. Africa had plenty of time to advance before the Europeans came. And you blame the Europeans for Africa's problems now? When Africa was under Eureopean rule the average black had a much better life before Africa was colinized.

Oh yeah blacks in south Africa had a great standard of living in the past few decades.

BULLSHIT

Why is assumed that because they lived in tribal lands that they had a low standard of living? Because they didn't have the same technology and superior attitude that the Europeans had.

I bet they were alot happier when some whit guys weren't forcing them off their own land and putting them in back breaking labor

I think you fail notice that its human nature to extort others, I'm positive blacks would've done the same thing if they had the oppertunity and had managed to get beyond the stone age.

This thread does seem to be devoted to white bashing, and honestly its past, whites do not go around torturing blacks for no reason now, and they didn't in the past, they might've over reacted and done horrible things for small crimes, but they were still crimes, they didn't just kill people to get a kick out of it, the white racist is not some evil sadisitic demons out there to make blacks unhappy and take them away from a poverty and diseased filled africa to america where they can be mistreated by people instead of nature.

Dumbass you obviously know very little about African history.

First of all they were past the stone age, second they were intellectually advanced as they had been broght ideas from Islamic Cultures in the middle east.

Well black people never had that chance did we?

You think the fact that it was capable means what happened was ok?

Fuck you.

I'm sick of all this bullshit white people present.

Japenese American's got repirations for the internment camps in WWII

and black people can't even get a fuckin formal apology.

I don't hate white people, but all the arguements white people have presented on this subject has avoided the point.

THis country is guilty for what they did, yet we get no apology

This country prospered from slave labor, yet black people did not

Black people were given inferior treatment and lynched for no reason, we get no apology.

A fuckin Apology, thats it. This country owes us that much.

You guys don't wanna think about how awful this really was.

What I want you to do is sit down, with no TV and no music.

Just sit there, and think about slavery.

Not what happened, imagine that is you, imagine it. Everything you ever heard happened to black people.

Every bad thing, every discrimintion, every beating, every time you saw your family sold off away from you.

Imagine waiting in silence as your mother or sister is raped and you are powerless to stop it.

Imagine you are by your self watching your goats....then out of no were you are binded and clubbed and forced onto a ship were you are forced to use the bathroom were you lie. Excrement falls on you.

You are chained like an animal.

Now imagine being on a plantation, imagine being beaten, pucking cotton in the hot sun, no breaks, you have to work. Imagine your flesh ripped from the whip, imagine your sweat getting in that wound. Stining it.

Imagine you fall in love with a fellow slave, you have a daughter.

Now imagine your daughter is raped....your baby girl, the life you brought into this world.

Your little girl is being treated like a fucking whore by a man who controls your life.

Sit there while she is beaten and raped, she struggles, yet to no avail. HE rips of her clothes, bites her, scratches her, slaps her, forces him self in her, getting his sick pleasure.

You are her father, her protector, and you can't even stop this...what are you gonna do about ti. If you do anything they will just kill you and do it again.

You failed your own daughter, you let her be raped....but you know no matter what you did it would happen again.

Fast forward.

Your sitting in your tiny house talking with your son...a rock breaks through the glass and you hear a shout.

Htey tell you to go outside....you tell your son to go lay down.

You walk outside and there they are. 20 of them in all.

A perverted grin on each of their pale faces.

THey have a noose and you know what they want...they grab you force you to teh ground, bind you...beat you, spit on you, kick you.

They whip you, like a slave, but your not a slave, your father had been a slave but you were a free man.

But free men aren't slaughtered for no reason.

They string you up, they cut of your penis, and testicals, just lop them off, while you are still alive.

You try to keep from screaming out, keep what little dignity you had left. They hang you, your neck snas and they all have a good laugh.

The next mroning your son leaves for school and out infront of the house he sees your dead corpse swinging from the tree.

Years later your decendants are sitting at a computer, talking with a man who thinks we should just forget what happened to you.

And worst of all he doesn't think what happened was a product of white racist hatred.

IF THAT HAPPENED TO YOU DON'T YOU THAT YOUR DECENDANTS AND THE DECENDANTS OF MANY MORE LIKE YOUR SELF DESERVE AND APOLOGY FOR THAT? A FUCKIN APOLOGY, FOR SLAVERY, AN APOLOGY FOR JIM CROWE.

WE DESERVE AND APOLOGY AND YOUR CONSCIENCE KNOWS THIS.

vox

29th August 2002, 05:03

"I think you fail notice that its human nature to extort others."

Is it? I've been in positions where I could do that, but I haven't. Hmmm. Does that mean I'm not human? Hardly. Your conception of "human nature," a phrase with no meaning that's trotted out whenever someone wants to defend the indefensible, on the other hand, is quite suspect.

"I'm positive blacks would've done the same thing if they had the oppertunity and had managed to get beyond the stone age."

No proof here, just conjecture with racist overtones. I suggest you read Guns, Germs and Steel for a more penetrating analysis of development.

"whites do not go around torturing blacks for no reason now"

Hmm, then one wonders the reason for the debacle in Tulia (http://commondreams.org/headlines02/0820-06.htm), in which all white juries convicted dozens of blacks based solely on the suspect word of one white officer.

vox

Lardlad95

29th August 2002, 05:08

I don't want reperations.

All I fuckin want is a Congressional Apology for Slavery.

If Japenese people can get repirations for what HAppened in WWII

iF a German man can get arressetd for denying the holocaust in modern Germany.

Then Black people atleast deserve a gongressional Apology for slavery

and a national monument wouldn't hurt but the apology is the main thing

Anonymous

29th August 2002, 05:10

IF THAT HAPPENED TO YOU DON'T YOU THAT YOUR DECENDANTS AND THE DECENDANTS OF MANY MORE LIKE YOUR SELF DESERVE AND APOLOGY FOR THAT? A FUCKIN APOLOGY, FOR SLAVERY, AN APOLOGY FOR JIM CROWE.

WE DESERVE AND APOLOGY AND YOUR CONSCIENCE KNOWS THIS.

I demand an apology from Rome.

Lardlad95

29th August 2002, 05:19

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 5:10 am on Aug. 29, 2002

IF THAT HAPPENED TO YOU DON'T YOU THAT YOUR DECENDANTS AND THE DECENDANTS OF MANY MORE LIKE YOUR SELF DESERVE AND APOLOGY FOR THAT? A FUCKIN APOLOGY, FOR SLAVERY, AN APOLOGY FOR JIM CROWE.

WE DESERVE AND APOLOGY AND YOUR CONSCIENCE KNOWS THIS.

I demand an apology from Rome.

This isn't fuckin funny man. I'm serious about this subject.

This country owes the black decnedants of slaves in this country for slavery.

A Congressional Apology is all I ask.

If you are serious about Rome then go fight for one.

But its ass holes like you that try and make it seem like slavery was nothing.

You are worse than those who don't know anything about slavery.

Because you know, yet you feel nothing.

I'm not asking oyu personally for an apology. I'm asking the government for an apology.

I seriously think that you at heart are a racist.

And its not something I wanted to say...but its true.

The only way you could possibly grasp this concept, atleast in your case was if you were black.

But I since it doesn't affect you that means its no wrong?

Is that how you percieve it?

Genuinely I believe you at heart have no sympathy for what happened, peoples deaths and suffering means nothing to you.

Sorta like a Stalinst.

Its sad to....perhapes one day you will realize that black people aren't cattle that can be slaughtered and treated like beasts.

Until that day I hope that you conceal your racism as to not offend to many people.

Its sad when you meet someone who doesn't appear to be racist, yet he still is

canikickit

29th August 2002, 05:24

did the fucking poxy government never apologise?

Anonymous

29th August 2002, 05:55

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 11:09 am on Aug. 29, 2002)

We owe you nothing.

At least not in taxpayer dollars.

Oh yeah... I AM NOT A FUCKING RACIST NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 11:13 am on Aug. 29, 2002)

Guest

29th August 2002, 15:02

Hehe, no, the belgians and germans had alot of their settlers tortured to death by africans, noone from europe demands apologies for this. Drop the post, its not here anymore, don't bring up something that only creates more anger. And I do not see many blacks demanding apologies from tribal chieftans latley who sold their own people off to the arabs as slaves and then the arabic lords to the europeans. Basically your whole race got screwed over by your leaders, and african culture was not advanced, they had VERY limited metal working, with the exception of the north africans (most of whom were part of the arabic empire anyway) and the kingdom of ethopia and timbuktoo, africans were stuck in a stone age with the plus of maybe being able to forge spear heads, stop argueing this, the africans were still in a hunter gatherer culture when the europeans came and took their land away.

Moskitto

29th August 2002, 15:33

I take it that the Guest has never heard of Lothar Von Trotha and the Herero genocide or Leopold II and the Belgian Congo.

Lardlad95

29th August 2002, 21:52

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 5:55 am on Aug. 29, 2002

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 11:09 am on Aug. 29, 2002)

We owe you nothing.

At least not in taxpayer dollars.

Oh yeah... I AM NOT A FUCKING RACIST NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 11:13 am on Aug. 29, 2002)

I asked for an apology now didn't I

I said a monument would be nice, however I would be fine with an apology.

Then how can you mock the black struggle in America?

Is it funny watching an old broken man trying to climb up a large flight of stairs but he can't make it?

Lardlad95

29th August 2002, 22:01

Quote: from Guest on 3:02 pm on Aug. 29, 2002
Hehe, no, the belgians and germans had alot of their settlers tortured to death by africans, noone from europe demands apologies for this. Drop the post, its not here anymore, don't bring up something that only creates more anger. And I do not see many blacks demanding apologies from tribal chieftans latley who sold their own people off to the arabs as slaves and then the arabic lords to the europeans. Basically your whole race got screwed over by your leaders, and african culture was not advanced, they had VERY limited metal working, with the exception of the north africans (most of whom were part of the arabic empire anyway) and the kingdom of ethopia and timbuktoo, africans were stuck in a stone age with the plus of maybe being able to forge spear heads, stop argueing this, the africans were still in a hunter gatherer culture when the europeans came and took their land away.

Will you people stop with the your leaderss sold you away crap.

Its not like the US companies didn't offer to buy.

So you think the kings were going..."You know I'm gonna go over to AMerica, a country I've never heard of and ask some people to buy some africans"

The greed of a few does not match what the US did.

They werent hunter gatherees moron.

They grew their own food. They herded animals.

Hunter gatheres are nomads.

You obviously know nothing about history.

Read Roots to see how advanced they were.

But no seriously, you really don't know what a hunter/gather society is? Its when people move from area to area searching for food.

How could civilizations arise if they were hunter gatheres?

Your arguement makes absolutley no sense.

You know very little if anything about Africa and I suggest you keep your mouth shut as to avoid further embaressment

Xvall

29th August 2002, 22:08

Hehe, no, the belgians and germans had alot of their settlers tortured to death by africans,

Then again, the kind settlers enslaved them, and killed them for disobedience, and barged in uninvited in order to obtain more land and expand their dictators borders.

And I do not see many blacks demanding apologies from tribal chieftans latley who sold their own people off to the arabs as slaves and then the arabic lords to the europeans.

All those chieftens, as well as their regimes, are gone. However, the United States and various European countries still exist with the things they were founded upon.

Basically your whole race got screwed over by your leaders,

Yeah man. It's not even PARTIALLY the slave owners faults, right? It's all because of their leaders and chieftieans!

and african culture was not advanced,

I know this. But it doesn't justify invading and enslaving a mass of peoples. If a rich person steals your child, it is okay? Because they are bringing them to a more 'rich' and 'advanced' household?

Guest

30th August 2002, 04:09

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:01 pm on Aug. 29, 2002
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Will you people stop with the your leaderss sold you away crap.

Its not like the US companies didn't offer to buy.

So you think the kings were going..."You know I'm gonna go over to AMerica, a country I've never heard of and ask some people to buy some africans"

The greed of a few does not match what the US did.

They werent hunter gatherees moron.

They grew their own food. They herded animals.

Hunter gatheres are nomads.

You obviously know nothing about history.

Read Roots to see how advanced they were.

But no seriously, you really don't know what a hunter/gather society is? Its when people move from area to area searching for food.

How could civilizations arise if they were hunter gatheres?

Your arguement makes absolutley no sense.

You know very little if anything about Africa and I suggest you keep your mouth shut as to avoid further embaressment

If you are willing to cite a source on the south or east african cultures that farmed please go ahead, I know alot of the tribes in rhodesia had cattle herds, but they weren't sophisticated, and I don't know if I'm right on this, but I don't think the cows were truelly domesticated.

The majority of east african tribes (who also were the majority of slaves) were hunter gatherers.

And how can you know about their history, through a language next to noone speaks, or through a history that was never written.

The tribal leaders didn't sell their people to europeans directly, they sold them to arabs, they'd been doing it for centuries.

Lardlad95

30th August 2002, 23:39

Quote: from Guest on 4:09 am on Aug. 30, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:01 pm on Aug. 29, 2002
[
Will you people stop with the your leaderss sold you away crap.

Its not like the US companies didn't offer to buy.

So you think the kings were going..."You know I'm gonna go over to AMerica, a country I've never heard of and ask some people to buy some africans"

The greed of a few does not match what the US did.

They werent hunter gatherees moron.

They grew their own food. They herded animals.

Hunter gatheres are nomads.

You obviously know nothing about history.

Read Roots to see how advanced they were.

But no seriously, you really don't know what a hunter/gather society is? Its when people move from area to area searching for food.

How could civilizations arise if they were hunter gatheres?

Your arguement makes absolutley no sense.

You know very little if anything about Africa and I suggest you keep your mouth shut as to avoid further embaressment

If you are willing to cite a source on the south or east african cultures that farmed please go ahead, I know alot of the tribes in rhodesia had cattle herds, but they weren't sophisticated, and I don't know if I'm right on this, but I don't think the cows were truelly domesticated.

The majority of east african tribes (who also were the majority of slaves) were hunter gatherers.

And how can you know about their history, through a language next to noone speaks, or through a history that was never written.

The tribal leaders didn't sell their people to europeans directly, they sold them to arabs, they'd been doing it for centuries.

The Mandinkas the Wolof tribes etc.

Do you not understand what a hunter gather society is?

Neanderthals and Cro Magnons were hunter gatheres they traveled around.

Civilizations arose when people learned to farm. God you are a dumbass.

They grew rice, yams, greens.

I'm telling you read Roots, maybe you will learn something.

Have you ever heard of the plant indigo? Used to dye blue jeans?

An African man taught americans how to grow it because they cultivated it.

A civilization can not arise if you are constantly moving.

What about this do you not understand?

Because they would have to keep moving because the people would eventually run out of food and have to move.

Yet African civilizations were settled in certain places.

Please explain to me how they could be hunter gatheres and live in one place for hundreds of years?

Please tell me.

also I know about the Arabians and alot of them stole slaves not just bought htem.

And the reason they were sold was because they were slaves of war....if you were conquered you became a slave simple as that.

And by the way this isn't the best thing to read about African farming but it does tell what they grew.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/CEJEAAHistory.html

Guest

31st August 2002, 02:27

I don't recall any civilisations in eastern africa.. please present a source.

(by the way, thank you for the link, educational to me)

Lardlad95

31st August 2002, 02:32

Quote: from Guest on 2:27 am on Aug. 31, 2002
I don't recall any civilisations in eastern africa.. please present a source.

(by the way, thank you for the link, educational to me)

I suggest looking up the Gambia section of Africa if that doesn't present anything then tell me and I'll find some info for you

Moskitto

31st August 2002, 13:23

I presume you're talking about Western Africa not Eastern Africa, since Western Africa is where the Gambia and the Slave Coast was. Benin was a civilisation in Western Africa.

Smith

7th September 2002, 23:34

I realise that Blacks were mistreated by whites. But if the Government apologizes you should get the Blacks who sold your own people into slavery to apologize to. Also if we apologize you should apologize to. The vast majority of racial attacks these days are Black on White. Racism cuts both ways which a lot of people here don't seem to realise.

Lardlad95

8th September 2002, 00:22

Quote: from Smith on 11:34 pm on Sep. 7, 2002
I realise that Blacks were mistreated by whites. But if the Government apologizes you should get the Blacks who sold your own people into slavery to apologize to. Also if we apologize you should apologize to. The vast majority of racial attacks these days are Black on White. Racism cuts both ways which a lot of people here don't seem to realise.

Your statement is so moronic I don't know where to begin.

1. When a slave was sold in Africa they eventually became part of their masters family unlike the US

2. Leaders who got slaves got them by conquering another tribe.

3. If I'm not the decendant of an african slave that was a slave in africa why would I ask and african government for an apology?

4. Black on White? What the fuck? Look around you black people aren't exactley the dominant race here. Because some ignorant black person calls you a cracker White people are suddenly opressed?

White people have been and still are the dominant race in this country.

They control the media, they control the majority of the money, the majority of people who are poor are black and hispanic.

So please tell me that these racial attacks are shifting the power because I still don't see black people running this country.

White people in this country were not slaves.

You will never be slaves.

Black people have not stolen you from your home and forced you to work and be degraded like animals.

Black people do not have enough power in this country to do anything signifigant race wise.