Che Guevara and his critique to the soviet economic manual

[BIG BROTHER]

So yea, I was reading a biography of Che Guevara. In one part of it, it mentioned how before leaving to Bolivia, he made so critizims to the soviet economic manual. He read, and the biography mentions, that among the things that he saw wrong, was that no one had added much to the manual after lennin, except little aditions made by stalin and mao.

I also read that, he though when lennin allowed some capitalism in the soviet union in order to get the economy starting, that was the source of many problems of the sovet union, that would eventualy lead to the return of capitalism.

But sadly enough, this remains so controvertial, that it has never been published, not even after the fall of the soviet union.:che:

The reason why I'm saying this, is two:

what's you guys opinions?
Has anyone else heard about this? does anyone happen to have an illegal underground copy of che's critique:p or at least knows more about the subject? :o


to admins:if you guys thinks this should belong to othe seccion, feel free to move it. I wasn't sure were to post it.

[BIG BROTHER]

come on...I know you guys have something to say

[abrupt]

Is the biography you read by Jon Lee Anderson? If it is I have read the same and recall Che's critique of the Soviets.

He embraced Mao and China over the USSR after a while. He at first thought high of the USSR but soon preffered Mao and his tactics over them.

I have not read or seen these critiqes and it is still fairly vague to me right now, but I think Che had a point to critique the USSR. As we all should look at everything critically, and if the manuel has not been updated he was right. Times change and policies and everything should be kept up to date. Even Che changed his manuel 'Guerilla Warfare' when some tacitics became questionable due to the date and better things.

[Dros]

Yeah. The critique exists and there is some evidence that it strained relations between Guevara and Castro.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

there is some evidence that it strained relations between Guevara and Castro.

There is actually no evidence of that, and it is in fact a lie created by the imperialists to divide the revolutionary movement -- unfortunately opportunists and the misinformed have continued to parrot the line, often while waving the red flag.

Barbarroja, who fought along Che and helped organize his struggles in the Congo and Bolivia explained in an interview: "... in his meetings with various Soviet leaders and in his tours of various socialist countries, Che begin to see the subjective problems that existed ... and he begin to express criticisms -- constructive ones, which he didn't voice behind people's backs but rather stated in his meetings with the Soviet leaders and with the leaders of other socialist countries... At the time of the Sino-Soviet conflict, some people began to use the constructive criticism that Che had made to the Soviets (criticism that wasn't made public during the first few years) in order to speculate -- by means of propagana, the press and some publications aimed at revolutionaries -- saying that Che was leaning towards the positions of the Communist Party of the People's Republic of China at that time, and that, therefor he caused (as some historians claim) adverse reactions by the Soviets... This lead to the intrigue that was manipulated by the mass media in the West to the effect that Che had decided to leave our country because of his criticism of Soviet foreign policy and of socialist construction in the Soviet Union..." (Che Guevara and the Latin American Revolutionary Movements, Manuel 'Barbarroa' Piñeiro, pp. 40-41).

If you're interested in Che's criticisms of the USSR and other socialist states, as well as his ideas in building socialism (which are directly related), I suggest the following from him:

"Apuntes criticos a la economia politica" (Ocean Press)
"On the Budgetary Finance System" 1964
"Socialism and Man in Cuba" 1965

[rampantuprising]

i have read the same biography and what i understood from it was that che favored mao's ideals due to the fact that in a predominantly rural china, the poorest of the working class could be found here (which mao was aimed at 'reforming', for the lack of a better term), and i believe that che encountered many similar examples of these types of people. and in doing so che could better relate to them and the struggles that they were encountering.

[BIG BROTHER]

If you're interested in Che's criticisms of the USSR and other socialist states, as well as his ideas in building socialism (which are directly related), I suggest the following from him:

"Apuntes criticos a la economia politica" (Ocean Press)
"On the Budgetary Finance System" 1964
"Socialism and Man in Cuba" 1965

That's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks comrade!

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

No problem.

I would suggest that comrades not rely on biographies like those from Anderson. They contains many things that just aren't true (some more than others). To get the whole picture, you need to research a variety of sources. To get a pretty accurate view of Che you can check out the Che Guevara Reader from Ocean Press, "Che: A Memoir" by Fidel, and "Che Guevara and the Latin American Revolutionary Movements" by Barbarroja.

[Dros]

There is actually no evidence of that, and it is in fact a lie created by the imperialists to divide the revolutionary movement -- unfortunately opportunists and the misinformed have continued to parrot the line, often while waving the red flag.

Okay. So there is that inteview. I've read parts of that before. That does not disprove the fact that there was tension between Che and Castro, even if we take Barbarroja at his word. And there is also the fact that the Castroites would have a vested interest in maintaining the appearance that Guevara followed Castro's line to the letter despite the evidence to the contrary.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

There is loads of evidence that there was no split between Che and Fidel; from interviews with Barbarroja, to things said and written by folks who fought along side Che (even ones who no longer look favorably on the Cuban Revolution), things Fidel has explained at many different times, things that have come out in now-open USSR archives, things former officials in the USSR have said since the counterrevolution in that country, etc. Just because I didn't post ever bit doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

You are the one asserting that there was a split between Che and Fidel, and it's up to you to prove that. Unfortunately for you, this cannot be done, as the story is fabricated.

[coda]

i never believed the so-called rift between che and Castro.

i think the criticism he held against the Soviet union was when they (kruschev) bowed to the US and pulled the missile bases out of Cuba.

That Che memoir book by Fidel, is actually compiled quotes of Fidel about Che, cobbled together into a book.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Yes, it's made up of interviews, etc., but it does help shape an accurate picture, when coupled with the other works I mentioned.