In your eyes what would you like the world to be like.

[anti_fash]

I know this question is very indirect but i think that as a member of a left we spend allot of time fighting what is happening but i dont think to many people think about what there idea world would be like.

I would like to see world as everybody is equal, No prejudges people, No war, and everyone get good standards or living.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Ideally we would sustain (near) infinite life capabilities before turning up a network of constructible virtual realities - or the Matrix. Everyone would construct the world they wanted. If some sick sadistic bastard wants to rape an anime character, he does so. If you want a hedonistic utopia, you get it.

[non-vio-resist]

I know this question is very indirect but i think that as a member of a left we spend allot of time fighting what is happening but i dont think to many people think about what there idea world would be like.

I would like to see world as everybody is equal, No prejudges people, No war, and everyone get good standards or living.

first socialist action: free beer for all!:D

[Dean]

I know this question is very indirect but i think that as a member of a left we spend allot of time fighting what is happening but i dont think to many people think about what there idea world would be like.

I would like to see world as everybody is equal, No prejudges people, No war, and everyone get good standards or living.

A world in which human beings are reunited with each other. People are productive, unalienated and free.

[Asoka89]

The full development of each would the condition for the full development of all

[Os Cangaceiros]

I was going to say a world where individualism is incorporated with principles of egalitarianism and solidarity, but GC's idea about a Vanilla Sky-type world sounds better.

Hedonistic utopia, here I come!

[Marsella]

Personally, I would like my life to be structured around having as much sexual pleasure as possible. :drool: :lol:

[Hit The North]

Personally, I would like my life to be structured around having as much sexual pleasure as possible. :drool: :lol:

You can get that in a capitalist society. It's called being a student.

[Guerrilla22]

It would a utopian society, with rainbows that last forever and with unicorns prancing about. Everyone would walk around naked and engage in free love and drinking beer would make you lose weight.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

I suppose there is a more serious related question here. Is an ideal world even possible?

Modern science/anthropology suggests that we are subject to the phenomenon of the hedonic treadmill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill

The idea that whatever our external circumstances, we adapt to them and come to view them as standard, average. Some evidence for this is that when asked, most people report their happiness level to be 7/8 out of 10. Researchers asked the same people the same question a year on and then five years on, and there was negligible change in the results - it's always 8 out of 10.

Does this falsify the dream of a perfect world? Would we adapt to it? Get bored?

-Alex

[Don't Change Your Name]

I want buildings to be made of icecream and chocolate and so. Oh, of course there should be justice and liberty and stuff.


You can get that in a capitalist society. It's called being a student.

I guess I don't live in a country which is capitalist enough because that's not the case here. Why does this suspiciously sound like a "students are evil bourgeois scum" kind of attitude?

[Post-Something]

Ideally we would sustain (near) infinite life capabilities before turning up a network of constructible virtual realities - or the Matrix. Everyone would construct the world they wanted. If some sick sadistic bastard wants to rape an anime character, he does so. If you want a hedonistic utopia, you get it.

This is actually not bad...


I want a world where there is no competition. Everything is available, knowledge is seen as the utmost importance. You know, just having an egalitarian society really.

I want to be ale to drive past a billboard and not see an advertisement, but a piece of art.

[Hit The North]

I guess I don't live in a country which is capitalist enough because that's not the case here. Why does this suspiciously sound like a "students are evil bourgeois scum" kind of attitude?

Well I was kinda joking. But I wouldn't say that staying in bed all day pleasuring yourself instead of going to your lectures makes a person "evil bourgeois scum". I think that requires ownership of means of production :lol:.

[Bright Banana Beard]

This is actually not bad...


I want a world where there is no competition. Everything is available, knowledge is seen as the utmost importance. You know, just having an egalitarian society really.

I want to be ale to drive past a billboard and not see an advertisement, but a piece of art.

those kind of thing too, except that I also want to see roadway for walking people since I like to be disturbed by nature.

[Malakangga]

i just can't believe this world is still turning

[Dean]

I suppose there is a more serious related question here. Is an ideal world even possible?

Modern science/anthropology suggests that we are subject to the phenomenon of the hedonic treadmill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill

The idea that whatever our external circumstances, we adapt to them and come to view them as standard, average. Some evidence for this is that when asked, most people report their happiness level to be 7/8 out of 10. Researchers asked the same people the same question a year on and then five years on, and there was negligible change in the results - it's always 8 out of 10.

Does this falsify the dream of a perfect world? Would we adapt to it? Get bored?

-Alex

This is why I don't like technocracy, and other suggested oraganizations which involve minimal human effort. As Engels pointed out, the man is a laboring creature, a problem solver. If we try to give every problem to machines to solve, I think our happiness would decrease significantly.

Humans need to be very close to their labor and its product to really be unalienated from it. A world with an impoverished mind and endless productivity is indeed a hellish concept.

[Peacekeeper]

Probably a world filled with primmie communes. lol

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

This is why I don't like technocracy, and other suggested oraganizations which involve minimal human effort. As Engels pointed out, the man is a laboring creature, a problem solver.

I guess that's why we invented things like games, puzzles, hobbies etc... wait, that stuff doesn't produce anything useful. I guess we'll have to throw out the idea that people's labour and problem solving ability necessarily has to be related to survival.


If we try to give every problem to machines to solve, I think our happiness would decrease significantly.Because as we all know, back-breaking drudgery and repetitive labour is character-forming! :rolleyes:

Now that we've got the strawmen out of the way, allow me to point out that there are problems that humans enjoy solving and thus wouldn't give them to machines to do in the first place. Machines greatly aid in this by doing all the shit stuff that boring, repetitive, unpleasant etc.

Not to mention that some areas in which machines simply cannot take over, such as human relationships - technology may be able to enhance or aid such activity (in the case of relationships, communications technologies such as phones and the internet), but won't do the actual work of humans.


Humans need to be very close to their labor and its product to really be unalienated from it.Who cares how material goods are produced and services rendered as long as 1) nobody is exploited 2) they're produced in an efficient and environmentally sound manner as possible 3) a minimum of human sweat is involved in it's production? You comment seems to suggest there is something inherently "noble" or "desirable" about having to work for a living. I see no evidence for such a hypothesis.


A world with an impoverished mind and endless productivity is indeed a hellish concept.Why would a highly-productive society necessarily be "mentally impoverished"?

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My ideal society would be spread throughout the Milky Way, perhaps even inhabiting other galaxies, and would occupy as many niches as possible - whter they be artificial habitats, naturally Earthlike or terraformed planets, hollowed asteroids, megastructures, the depths of space, a nomadic life on interstellar vessels, and many more places. Nobody should have to work for a living - energy and material production is so ubiquitous that scarcity is a thing of the past. All essential services that are not comcomitant with human enjoyment to be carried out by robots and/or AI. As a result of slowly spreading throughout the Milky Way and surrounding galaxies, there would be a vast array of different cultures and ways of living. Human beings themselves would have diversified so much that what it means to be "human" has changed - genetic engineering, cybernetic augmentation and mind-state transfer and similar technologies all collude to blur the lines of what is human and what isn't. Involuntary death would be a thing of the past - you can either have your natural lifespan extended with rejuvanation therapies or you can have you mind-state transferred to a new body (biological, cybernetic or robotic). Perhaps whole new lifeforms can be created from wholecloth, and if sapient aliens exist then in such a society alien-human hybrids are possible, depending on the exact physiological nature of them.

So, in summary, my ideal world would be transhuman, high-tech, and hedonistic.

[Ultra-Violence]

I Some times think of a world were everything thing is done out of love for one another were we finaly reach universal concoiusness and we see our humanity and look at each other as just little parts of a big animal wich is the human race and i some times think if we all worked together out of Love thiers nothing that would stop us or nothing we couldnt do no where we couldnt go. I also sometimes dream were machines and nature can coexist were we have minimal impact on our mother earth
and again get in tune with nature and the rythm of the universe. also i dream of a truly free society were their nothing i couldnt do *albiet hurt one of my brothers or sisters and if for example i wanted to be a nusre i could do that then if i suddenly change my mind i could go to skool and become a nuerologist or something the only thing holding me back would be myself. LOVE CONQUERS ALL!

[eyedrop]

A world of only "alpha-males", no blind followers.

[Hit The North]

A world of only "alpha-males", no blind followers.

No females, then? Your perfect society wouldn't last long :lol:

[eyedrop]

Notice the " " around the word? I suppose you did and you just were sarcastic as implied by the laughing smiley.

[Dystisis]

i just can't believe this world is still turning
The world is not turning, however it is expanding as a result of increased organization.

[Rosa Provokateur]

I want a world with justice, where evryone is accepted for their differences and treated fairly, where people have learned to solve their problems without violence or force, and where all life is respected and given the oppurtunity to live as it sees fit.

Free of smog, secure from deforestation, and no longer in conflict against the planet.

[Vanguard1917]

A world where the realm of necessity (something which is imposed by nature on man) has been overcome. This is the precondition for genuine human liberation. It will be achieved through the development of the forces of production, development in the productivity of labour, the rational and conscious organisation of labour-time, improvements in our mastery over nature, i.e. our external material surroundings.

Then, human history can truly begin.

[Ultra-Violence]

^^^^^
Beutifull

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

The maximum happiness for the maximum living people for the maximum time.

[bcbm]

Fields of green, skies of blue and red roses too. Everyone being idle, drunk and happy.

[gilhyle]

I want a world without ideals or the appetite for ideals

[jesper]

I would want a world without bureaucracy, with everyone being seen as equal human beings, and with no scarcity of the baisc needs. People will have a minimum working time. Water, food, education, medical care and so on would be free. We would have found a solution to our current environmental problems, primarily by having found a nonpolluting sustainable energy source like Hydrogen fusion mixed with wind and solar energy etc.

[Vanguard1917]

I want a world without ideals or the appetite for ideals

Political ideals, yes. But ideals altogether?

A communist world would surely increase our longing for further progress and excellence. Why want a world where ideals for a better society have been abandoned?