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Plagueround
14th May 2008, 03:51
While this isn't necessarily a philosophy breaking question and more my own curiosity, I was wondering what people's thoughts are on the age people will enter the workforce in a communist society?
It seems that the average age of a person entering the workforce in the U.S. is tied closely to driving age and an age where a person needs to learn independence from their family (if one can call wage slavery independence). Without the immediate need for a person to begin "producing" I would think you would see more variance in the age people start getting jobs, as well as people starting out in fields perceived as a professional or specialist field because they are not held down by the immediacy of "produce or starve" and would be able to pursue the knowledge needed for these jobs.
Also, we may see some people entering the workforce at an earlier age (safety and ability would have to be considered of course) because they would not be obligated to work a certain number of hours to satisfy the requirements of capitalist bosses trying to maximize profits, making child labor laws and the like less of an issue (since we know if capitalists are allowed to work people to death, they will).
Thoughts? Comments? Laughing at newbie questions?

Psy
14th May 2008, 04:59
While this isn't necessarily a philosophy breaking question and more my own curiosity, I was wondering what people's thoughts are on the age people will enter the workforce in a communist society?
It seems that the average age of a person entering the workforce in the U.S. is tied closely to driving age and an age where a person needs to learn independence from their family (if one can call wage slavery independence). Without the immediate need for a person to begin "producing" I would think you would see more variance in the age people start getting jobs, as well as people starting out in fields perceived as a professional or specialist field because they are not held down by the immediacy of "produce or starve" and would be able to pursue the knowledge needed for these jobs.
Also, we may see some people entering the workforce at an earlier age (safety and ability would have to be considered of course) because they would not be obligated to work a certain number of hours to satisfy the requirements of capitalist bosses trying to maximize profits, making child labor laws and the like less of an issue (since we know if capitalists are allowed to work people to death, they will).
Thoughts? Comments? Laughing at newbie questions?

Workers councils probably would not want to have kids getting in their way, even if a factory is safe for workers, kids could really get hurt and the workers probably don't want to worry about a kid getting seriously hurt because they are oblivious to dangerous. Meaning I don't see a take your kids to work day for places like factories while they are in operation (it would be possible to have it when no work is being done that day).

Schools would have funding to have means of production of its own, meaning kids could learn how to produce under teacher supervision, and since they would be producing more to what they want they'd probably enjoy it more then working in real workplace.


What you'd probably have is older teenagers worrying parents by being old enough to be a useful worker and with a number of older teenagers being adventurous they would apply for adventurous jobs, like remote work crews in harsh environments, parents would worry but on the plus side these teenagers would be much safer then the older teenagers that find adventure in the military.

Sentinel
14th May 2008, 06:51
For starters, children should never have to work, and everyone should have the opportunity to educate themselves for as long as they want. Every human being should also have the opportunity to constantly develop and educate him/herself throughout life, instead of having to choose profession as young and then stick by it.

Furthermore, a communist society should strive to minimise/eliminate the need of manual human labor by automation, and the sharing of the few remaining tasks. This should be completely realistic by the time the first actually communist society emerges.

Plagueround
14th May 2008, 07:15
For starters, children should never have to work, and everyone should have the opportunity to educate themselves for as long as they want. Every human being should also have the opportunity to constantly develop and educate him/herself throughout life, instead of having to choose profession as young and then stick by it.

Furthermore, a communist society should strive to minimise/eliminate the need of manual human labor by automation, and the sharing of the few remaining tasks. This should be completely realistic by the time the first actually communist society emerges.

Forgive me if I made it sound like I was advocating that children, or anyone for that matter, need to work at a certain age, or that a communist society would advocate forced labor. What I was getting at is that there may be some jobs that a child could do that if they wanted to for experience and such, but this would probably occur through the classroom/teacher environment Psy described, rather than trying to integrate a child into the workplace.

I should also clarify that when I speak of children I'm referring mostly to teenagers that are younger than the current legal statutes, not saying that in communist society a six year old would want to set out and work. I was just curious what others thought would happen.

Overall my thought is that most children/young adults would choose education and self-discovery, so children working would mostly be a non-issue in the first place. Thanks for the replies and thoughts.

Perhaps I will elaborate a bit more later, but at the moment my job is to fix data servers and I have one that just went down. Sadly, they don't fix themselves yet. ;)

victim77
14th May 2008, 18:08
I don't think we should educate kids to work in factorys. Teaching them history, philosophy, science and so on to expand there minds would be the first priority. Although I think Secondary School should end at grade 10. Post-secondary is where the kids will learn to work. I believe people should begine to work at about 20 when there education is completed.