Le Pen's support in 2002 - Setting Liberals straight

[maoist3]

Quotations of Ticktinist Peacenicked on maoist3

"Stalinism is a worse ideology than capitalism
because it paints the liberation of the working
class as the callous disregard for human life for
economic gain. Capitalism merely tries to tie its
interests with workers interests."
"Long Live Stalin!!!" in "Socialism vs. Capitalism"
August 12, 2002


"He is worse than all the capis on this bb put together."
"Maoist3: why don't we ban this neo fascist?" in
"Socialism vs. Capitalism"
August 17, 2002

"You are more pig ignorant than Storming Norman."
"Long Live Stalin!!!" in Socialism vs. Capitalism
August 17, 2002


Quotations of Stormin Norman

"Augusto and Reagan Lives: Keep up the commie
bashing. They deserve it. The two of you make a
great commie killing team."
"Stormin's leaving for ever...." in
"Socialism vs. Capitalism" August 15, 2002

Quotations of Che-Lives moderator Malte on maoist3

"Maoist, I know I can't really accuse you that, but
how came that so many Maoists are turning Nazi's?
Especially in Germany, some leading Neo-Nazi's
were Maoists before. Well, I would say they just
changed their leader, not much of their ideology.
The 'volkish' thinking is the same."
"Long Live Stalin!!!" in "Capitalism vs. Socialism"
August 15, 2002


maoist3 replies for MIM: As we can see above, the
Liberals, as during World War II are confused
about the origin of fascism. In the 1930s and
1940s their confusion led to the collapse of one Liberal
regime after another to be replaced by Nazis or
Nazi-symps in Europe. Outside Spain, no one put up
much of a stout fight until Hitler invaded the
USSR.

Peacenicked has admitted to having more community
with Stormin Norman than with Stalin, and s/he is
correct. However, Stormin Norman being your basic
Reagan type is parallel to the basic Chirac
conservative in France.

In the year 2002, we know from FACTS (and not
Peacenicked dogmas) that the largest quantity of
new votes for Le Pen came from Reagan type
conservatives that Peacenicked feels community
with. And amongst those throwing around the word
"socialist," it was Jospin's previous supporters
most likely to vote for Le Pen--another strike
against Harrington-quoting Vox, since Harrington's
organization is fraternal with Jospin. One could
possibly argue only that the Trotskyist voters in
legislative elections (not presidential elections)
were worse.

http://www.ipsos.fr/CanalIpsos/poll/7549.asp
L'origine politique des électorats

See also MIM Notes #258 devoted to the 2002 Le Pen election.

[vox]

Guilt by (tenuous) association? He's a good little authoritarian drone, isn't he?

For the record, I did not support Le Pen. The funny thing is, I've also been known to quote Shakespeare and cummings and Marx. I'd truly love it if I could get a break down on the groups that maoist3 divines (perhaps by throwing chicken bones on the ground and reading them) I support because of this.

vox

[Anonymous]

Right, so peacenicked will vote Nazi because he feels more akin to Reagen than Stalin?
Please allow for some intelligence.

[maoist3]

Quote: from Funky Monk on 7:03 pm on Aug. 17, 2002
Right, so peacenicked will vote Nazi because he feels more akin to Reagen than Stalin?
Please allow for some intelligence.

maoist3: No, I said peacenicked is in
community with those who have a high propensity
to vote for Le Pen. That's quite enough of
an accusation for me to make and prove.

But I see your "voice of reason." Where were
you when Malte criticized Maoists for one activist
in Germany who turned neo-Nazi?
(BTW, in Germany, rallies openly for
Mao have been held that are HUGE.
It would not be difficult to have two different
ones at the same time with 5000 people each--more than the entire membership of Harrington's Democratic
Socialists of America, who would never demonstrate
for socialism, but that's another question.)

Where were you when Peacenicked called
me "neo fascist"?

Quite frankly, my critics are associated with
a lot more neo-fascists.

[Anonymous]

Maoist, i was probably on holiday

[Moskitto]

It over 11 years since I realised that argueing with fanatics who have 30x more support in easier access than you, is not a good idea.

[maoist3]

Quote: from Funky Monk on 7:28 pm on Aug. 17, 2002
Maoist, i was probably on holiday


OK, no problem, just checking if you are consistent.
But the original post in this thread
shows quotes you missed
on holiday and you did not respond to those.