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Stormin Norman

15th August 2002, 16:25

To whom it may concern:

I regret to inform you communist bastards that this is my last post on this forum. Don't cry we had our fun. Perhaps one day I will return when you least expect it. When next we meet, I will go by the name of Commie Killer. It is time for poor old Stormin Norman to retire. He has lived a wonderful life, complete with stomping Islamic terrorists and communist sympathizers alike. I am getting tired and need to live out the rest of my days in the Bahamas with all of the money I made as a war profiteer. Please forgive me for leaving you so abruptly. It's a shame that Vox and I could never fully develop our relationship, as I feel we could have had something beautiful. So long, you fucking yarmos.

To be serious, I am leaving for a well-deserved vacation to the wonder Canadian Islands. The Pacific Northwest awaits my presence. However, when I get back I will no longer have the kind of time necessary to post on this site.

Michael de Panama: I am sure is reaching for a tissue right now. Let it out my friend. It's all right to cry. After all, aren't you the kinder, gentler, new form of feminized man? You truly are a girl.

Capitalist Imperial: Thanks for defending me. You are my only friend in the world. It is a shame that we couldn't have met under better circumstances. The flack that was flying around in the heat of battle prevented a really good conversation between the two of us. You are one of the better minds that I have come across lately. Keep the fight going. Put these children in their place. So long, it was nice to meet you and your refreshing disgust for Marxism.

American Kid: Well what can I say about a true wise ass? Your sense of humor is by far your best quality. Maybe I will see you on Comedy Central some day. You have a sharp mind, and refuse to let the vile corruption of these Marxists touch your genuine human qualities. Keep up the Vox bashing. Your insults are extremely funny.

Dark Capitalist: I didn't know you that well, but judging from what I did read we share certain sentiments. The main similarity was our libertarian view of government. I will remember the lessons of Crocket and Bunce for the rest of my days. Reagan was a true hero, and I respect him as much as you do.

Nattedi: You are better than the rest of this communist scum. Why don't you abandon these dopes and develop a new ideology.

Moskitto: Good luck with your kayaking. Don't let your father push you so hard, because it would be a shame if you grew tired of your sport and started smoking dope like most of the other fools in here.

SuffianR: You're all right, even though you never gave me a response to my opinion of groupthink. No hard feelings about the discussion we had over the value of certain degrees. I hope yours pays off.

Red Celtic: You Irish twit. When are you going to grow up and give up your belief in ghosts and goblins? The best advice that I can give you is shit runs down hill and payday is on Friday.

Augusto and Reagan Lives: Keep up the commie bashing. They deserve it. The two of you make a great commie killing team. Your posts were totally entertaining. You have yet to lose a debate to Vox.

Guerrilla Radio: I hope you get hit by a car and suffer an agonizing life of paralysis. Go suck on a choda-pop.

Mazdak: Ants don’t have the ability to reason, but you do. I hope you find a way to use that ability. Renouncing your communist ways would be a start. I respect you more than most of the other communists here, because at least you admit to the death that communism entails.

IzmChism: You are hands down the most intelligent leftist on this site. Like my friend CI, I think it's too bad the two of us couldn’t have conversed without the bullshit flying around. Who knows what truths we could have found by picking each other’s brains a little? You ask the tough questions and force me to think about my position. I hope you feel the same. This bulletin board is beneath you. Start searching for a better outlet for your ideas, for this site is tanking fast. Perhaps there are too many children whose parents own their own businesses, and vote republican on this forum. These “rebels” are destroying the integrity of an otherwise good forum for discourse. You are obviously different from the majority. If it’s any consolation, I would never accuse you of being a sophist. The title of philosopher is better suited for a person such as you.

Lardlad: Good luck to you. We had some good conversations.

James: You hippie. Not all generals and high ranking cabinet members are war criminals. Not all Americans are fat, lazy, and stupid. I did enjoy our discussions, up until you joined forces with peacenicked, and decided you weren’t interested in debate. It’s a shame we ended on a bad note, because I think we could have learned from each other’s differing perspectives. So long.

Malte: Your contribution is clear, as you are the originator of this board. However, that is where your contribution ends. From the posts of yours I have seen it seems that you know little about much of anything. When someone lacks the fortitude to defend their political and social positions it becomes necessary for them block the views of others in order to artificially elevate their own. Your practice of banning people is weak, and I think you use it as a tool to make yourself appear more important than you truly are. It has become a device used by you to gain popularity amongst a bunch of knuckleheads. You know if you let things progress naturally, sooner or later, I would become the natural leader of this board. I am sorry if I threatened your alpha-male status. Maybe if you weren’t so weak you wouldn’t have to resort to such pathetic tactics.

If anyone is offended that I forgot about them, chime in and voice your disappointment. When I get back from vacation I will check the board and reply to anyone who felt neglected. If you are curious about what I would say to you, ask and you shall receive. Be careful what you wish for.

James

15th August 2002, 16:32

I'm a hippie? lol, ah well.

Buh-Bye

komsomol

15th August 2002, 16:47

Bye.

Edelweiss

15th August 2002, 17:01

Malte: Your contribution is clear, as you are the originator of this board. However, that is where your contribution ends. From the posts of yours I have seen it seems that you know little about much of anything. When someone lacks the fortitude to defend their political and social positions it becomes necessary for them block the views of others in order to artificially elevate their own. Your practice of banning people is weak, and I think you use it as a tool to make yourself appear more important than you truly are. It has become a device used by you to gain popularity amongst a bunch of knuckleheads. You know if you let things progress naturally, sooner or later, I would become the natural leader of this board. I am sorry if I threatened your alpha-male status. Maybe if you weren’t so weak you wouldn’t have to resort to such pathetic tactics.

Well, thank you for your kind words, I love you too! I guess you are just hurt that I used to ignore you, but you are deserving not more than ignoration.
Actually you are making yourself much more important than you are! Your pathetic farewell and your assumption that you are the narural leader of this board are proofing that.
btw: If I would block other views, you wouldn't post here, right? Idiot!

Anonymous

15th August 2002, 18:40

You will be missed.

abstractmentality

15th August 2002, 19:00

Mazdak

15th August 2002, 20:13

Thank you SN, however, ANTS HAVE BRAINS. They are living things and sure they act robotic but to make desicions, one cannot just rely on instinct. I still find it unbelievable how difficult it is to get this through your head...

The cappies are going to be alot easier to deal with now that SN is gone.

ComradeJunichi

15th August 2002, 21:34

I never talked to you, but bye.

15th August 2002, 21:54

Good ridance ya fuckin dummy!!!

j

Anonymous

15th August 2002, 22:33

Quote: from j on 2:54 am on Aug. 16, 2002
Good ridance ya fuckin dummy!!!

j

SN is a very intelligent person.

Felicia

15th August 2002, 23:22

Bye, I'm glad you're leaving but I'm sad you're leaving to come to my country, but I suppose because it is beautiful here I'll welcome you anyway :)

Michael De Panama

15th August 2002, 23:45

Good riddance, swine.

(Edited by Michael De Panama at 11:45 pm on Aug. 15, 2002)

American Kid

16th August 2002, 00:03

Real classy everybody.

Norman, thank you for the kind words. You are, and will remain in the future, my comrade in arms. I admire your fighting spirit (despite our occasional disputes).

The bottom line is, you lefties are a bunch of pricks in this situation. You may not agree with him (I usually didn't agree with him) but he consistently backed up his arguments and statements with facts and/or links to other sites in support when necessary. He never wantonly caused trouble (ie was never a "troll") he came here to do what this forum dictates is to be done: he fought.

And I think he fought well.

And on a number of occasions, he kicked some of your asses all over town (I'm not going back to dig up these instances, because lately that tactic has proven to be rather "counter-productive"). I'll leave it like this: you know who you are; I'm sure your asses are still sore when you sit down to read the "Progressive".

Tora Tora Tora! Norm!

(You sound like a good dad, that's important)

-AK

American Kid

16th August 2002, 00:16

The fact that you don't even have the decency to admit that Norman was a formidable foe with impressive intelligence and admirable convictions (though, again, you recoiled in fervernt disagreement) the fact that you resort to name calling and don't even have, again, the decency to give him the respect any human being deserves, is indicative of the final, fatal flaw deep within the ideologies of hard-line socialism (communism, inparticular): de-humanization.

Just because you disagree with him, he ceases to be a "person" to you, and so you treat him like shit. He's just another cog, another "obstacle".

Fodder for the firing squad.

Leftist politics advocates the practices of acting towards your brother man with empathy and "a big heart"; when in fact it's a mere perverse inversion of itself; in your fury to bring everyone down to a "level playing field", you recklessly break people down, stipping them of their identity and integrity; statistics and compost.

Blood-thirsty revolutionaries who think they have all the answers.

Here's the deal, boys and girls ( you TEENAGERS of all demoninations): you-are-the-bane-of-society. I was on this site the other night using my brother's friend's aol screen name to log on. He was freaking out because I was on a "commie" site. And everyone shut the fuck up that this isn't a commie site, because it fucking is. He was afraid that his user name was going to be "tagged" or something.

This is profound. Hard-line socialism (which, everyone shut the fuck up and deal with it, is just a gateway drug to straight communism) is the most evil, de-humanizing, wantonly destructive method of thought in the world. Here's a good example:

vox.

(believe it or not, thank god he's on your side)

-AK

Michael De Panama

16th August 2002, 00:19

Michael De Panama

16th August 2002, 00:22

And there is NO REASON I should be seeing Karl Marx under your name, unless you're just begging to not be taken seriously.

concerned

16th August 2002, 01:27

Good job AK, I completely agree.
SN, I really appreciate your postings here. I learned a lot from you. Take care pal and have a great life away from these resentful communists.

Lefty

16th August 2002, 03:01

peace, norman. lol the capitalists should be easier to fight now that you are gone.

16th August 2002, 03:24

"This is profound. Hard-line socialism (which, everyone shut the fuck up and deal with it, is just a gateway drug to straight communism) is the most evil, de-humanizing, wantonly destructive method of thought in the world."

AK, please define "hard-line socialism." And to call it the most evil de-humanizing, wantonly destructive method of thought is ultimately wrong. I believe that the Nazis, the KKK, and whole host of others have that covered.

How is socialism "destructive" or "de-humanizing?" I believe that to be told that I can not eat because I can not compete (which is what capitalism is) is de-humanizing. When people can not get the medication that they need to survive because they can not afford it--that is de-humanizing. Dropping bombs on innocent people is both destructive and de-humanizing yet the leaders of this country are plotting these activities as I write this.

How have I ceased to acknowledge SN as a person? Because I insult him? Please, this is not a "feel-good" board. Leftists are not touchy feely do-gooders as you would have us pegged. I am accepting but only to an extent. Should the slave accept his master as a person and not be angry with him? Please.

And you know, "impressive intelligence" is kind of a stupid thing to say. His arguments were thought out and pretty well said--although I disagree with them--but impressive intelligence is a pretty hard title for anyone you only know from a message board on the internet.

BTW, I am still waiting to lose an argument to a rightie. Everytime I post, folks don't respond and just kind of forget about things and move on to the next topic.

To me, SN is a dummy. Maybe there's a better word for him. But when you don't care about people and put profits before workers I say, quite frankly, "Fuck You."

j

RedCeltic

16th August 2002, 04:40

Red Celtic: You Irish twit. When are you going to grow up and give up your belief in ghosts and goblins? The best advice that I can give you is shit runs down hill and payday is on Friday.

When did I ever talk about ghosts and goblins jackass?

You know if you let things progress naturally, sooner or later, I would become the natural leader of this board.

Don't you think you give yourself just a wee bit too much credit Junior?

(Edited by RedCeltic at 10:50 pm on Aug. 15, 2002)

Capitalist Imperial

16th August 2002, 05:19

SILENCE, YOU IGNORANT, INSOLENT, IMPETUOUS, COMMUNIST BASTARD-LEECH-PARASITES!

I demand that you all shut the fuck up and show some god-damned respect and recognition for one of this site's greatest contempoaray heroes.

SN, I, on behalf of both the rightest warriors and leftist trolls, I would like to honor and recognize you as a fallen (for all intents and purposes) soldier in this war of words. Your contributuion to the capitalist movement and it's guiding principles will never be forgotten!

I am envisioning a list. It is a list of names. It is a list I simply call "the greatest". And there is a new addition...

Washington
Jefferson
Franklin
Adams
Hamilton
Jackson
Lincoln
Ford
Edison
Grant
Custer
McCarther
McCarthy
Patton
Eisenhower
Truman
Trump
Reagan
Gates
Hefner

...Norman

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 5:21 am on Aug. 16, 2002)

American Kid

16th August 2002, 05:22

Mikey D, if I was "begging to not be taken seriously", I would simply slap your post-pubescent mug under my "user name" for an avatar, using that cute little "Sears" portrait of yourself you so kindly posted for all to view in the "Me" thread in Chit Chat.

Hmmm........

to be continued

-AK

(J, I over-generalized. As you're aware, a fellow eastern-time zoner, it's pushing half past twelve, and I'm out of here; I'll redeem myself at a later date) (this goes for you to abstractmentality)

(everything's cool, the Kid just blew his top)

Anonymous

16th August 2002, 05:58

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 7:07 am on Sep. 2, 2002)

new democracy

16th August 2002, 06:21

the moron is leaving for ever!!!! leaving for ever!!!! leaving for ever!!!! a day of hapines and american kid if you want to be taken seriously take that marx avatar of!!!!

Moskitto

16th August 2002, 12:50

Moskitto: Good luck with your kayaking. Don't let your father push you so hard, because it would be a shame if you grew tired of your sport and started smoking dope like most of the other fools in here.

Thanks, It's canoeing btw not kayaking. I just got an international call up and a doping control form with a big list of stuff i'm not allowed to take (95% of which is over the counter medicine, naturally occuring hormones, or is found in food and drink anyway.) So I daubt i'm going to start smoking dope anytime soon.

Peace,

Moskitto

guerrillaradio

16th August 2002, 18:23

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 4:25 pm on Aug. 15, 2002
Guerrilla Radio: I hope you get hit by a car and suffer an agonizing life of paralysis. Go suck on a choda-pop.

Well that's fuckin lovely. I'm glad you're gone, you were full of shit anyway.

Michael De Panama

16th August 2002, 23:05

Quote: from American Kid on 5:22 am on Aug. 16, 2002
Mikey D, if I was "begging to not be taken seriously", I would simply slap your post-pubescent mug under my "user name" for an avatar, using that cute little "Sears" portrait of yourself you so kindly posted for all to view in the "Me" thread in Chit Chat.

Hmmm........

to be continued

-AK

(J, I over-generalized. As you're aware, a fellow eastern-time zoner, it's pushing half past twelve, and I'm out of here; I'll redeem myself at a later date) (this goes for you to abstractmentality)

(everything's cool, the Kid just blew his top)

I've got to admit, that was funny. :)
Seriously.

Michael De Panama

16th August 2002, 23:26

CI, which "Patton" are you reffering to as one of the greatest people?

boadicea88

17th August 2002, 00:01

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 9:19 pm on Aug. 15, 2002
SILENCE, YOU IGNORANT, INSOLENT, IMPETUOUS, COMMUNIST BASTARD-LEECH-PARASITES!

I demand that you all shut the fuck up and show some god-damned respect and recognition for one of this site's greatest contempoaray heroes.

I am envisioning a list. It is a list of names. It is a list I simply call "the greatest". And there is a new addition...

Washington
Jefferson
Franklin
Adams
Hamilton
Jackson
Lincoln
Ford
Edison
Grant
Custer
McCarther
McCarthy
Patton
Eisenhower
Truman
Trump
Reagan
Gates
Hefner

...Norman

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 5:21 am on Aug. 16, 2002)

Holy fuck, man, you're scary. Custer?! McCarthy?!! Eisenhower?!?!?! Where's Dubya?

You're calling us leeches? Isn't it capitalism that sucks the money and effort from the poor people to give to the rich?

BTW, in case you didn't know, 'I demand' is not going to get you much of anything but resentment, and we don't have to respect anyone unless we want to. I sure as hell hold no respect for you or SN.

Good riddance, Stormin Moron, you dumbfuck. I think I'll play a song or two on my harp, to let some of the joy out :) :) HE'S GONE!!! HE'S GONE!!! :) :) :)

The only great one on that list, I think, was my 9 times removed first cousin. 'Course, my opinion could be biased...

IzmSchism

17th August 2002, 00:08

well, I believe that I have a grounding in what I would like to call maturity. There are many bright cats prancing through these halls of discourse, yet some choose to hold dearly onto the ideologies which in theory can make sense for certain times, but on their own, can lack any strong foundation. I am not only referring to communism but to capitalism. This forum is unique in that it draws out the two. Yet the two on their own draw from past failures and cannot go along further with their proven inadequecies. It is apparent that any type of survival today must be drawn from a system of equality, and moral grounding, yet we fail. This BB has proven to me that people, right or wrong will still choose to butt heads and stick to their own dogmatic beleifs in the right to disprove another faulted system. Thus the always prevailing and ever prescent inadequecy of slander and dissing that brings this forum down.

People who are on the extreme side of the left might find my words slippery, but I justify this in my own quest of a middle path that recognizes both strengths from each respective side. It is somewhere in the middle that Izm lays his beliefs in, the fine line of truth, free from dissilusion. There is always some purpose to a good war of words when ideals clash, yet there must also be a dash of wisdom to hear out the other point of view, however large your dick, or vagina may be, I feel the members here would benefit to constructively argue their points and better resolve their differences to a point where logic and common sense prevail. This given, I understand I see things in my own way and have not been in your shoes. But cheap slander and dirty tactics never win the war.

Nateddi

17th August 2002, 00:15

Half of those that are on SN's lists are racists, butchers, imperialists, and otherwise complete lunatics with no benefit to the general public whatsoever. Not one of them spoke out for ending slavery, for workers rights, for women's rights, for civil rights, for any kind of progress.

CI is a dogmatic right-winger spewing such names.

IzmSchism

17th August 2002, 01:29

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:19 am on Aug. 16, 2002
SILENCE, YOU IGNORANT, INSOLENT, IMPETUOUS, COMMUNIST BASTARD-LEECH-PARASITES!

I demand that you all shut the fuck up and show some god-damned respect and recognition for one of this site's greatest contempoaray heroes.

SN, I, on behalf of both the rightest warriors and leftist trolls, I would like to honor and recognize you as a fallen (for all intents and purposes) soldier in this war of words. Your contributuion to the capitalist movement and it's guiding principles will never be forgotten!

I am envisioning a list. It is a list of names. It is a list I simply call "the greatest". And there is a new addition...

Washington
Jefferson
Franklin
Adams
Hamilton
Jackson
Lincoln
Ford
Edison
Grant
Custer
McCarther
McCarthy
Patton
Eisenhower
Truman
Trump
Reagan
Gates
Hefner

...Norman

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 5:21 am on Aug. 16, 2002)

Hey BRAH,

go grab the knee pads and mouthwash because Normin needs a little more suckie suckie. By the way when you compare your boyfriend to these people you do him no justice, not that you need too......

hip-o-crit.

American Kid

17th August 2002, 02:55

"Brah........" :)

(low blow) :)

-AK

Lardlad95

17th August 2002, 03:54

Peace Stormin your a cappie and I despise your kind, but you still my boy.

Peace Kid-The Lardlad

But one thing you told off everyone else, i got one and a half sentences I feel jipped like a muthafucka

CI get your ass over here and tell me off

new democracy

17th August 2002, 04:00

why is on the "great people list i cant see lincolen that free the slaves but slavemaster jefferson is there!?

Lardlad95

17th August 2002, 04:14

Quote: from new democracy on 4:00 am on Aug. 17, 2002
why is on the "great people list i cant see lincolen that free the slaves but slavemaster jefferson is there!?

cuz this dude don't feel its necassary, it seems he doesn't feel history was a big issue

RedCeltic

17th August 2002, 05:57

George Washington:

1) Spent most of his time in the French and Indian war as a surveyor. His only major military action resulted in a soldier under his command killing a French envoy delivering a message to the British. Washington had taken part in the killing of an ambassador—a serious violation of international protocol.

2) While assigned to the Continental Congress, Washington spent his entire time decked out in his military attire. Basically pleading for the position of Commander of the Continental Armies.

3) After his humiliating defeat at the Battle of Long Island, Washington actually had few victories, and spent most of the war on the run. Victory at Yorktown would have come much earlier had the Continental Armies aided by the French fleet not waited for his arrival before hammering Cornwallis' troops.

Jefferson

I just noticed you have Jefferson (President #3) listed before Adams (President #2) With a Non President between them…

Anyway, despite the claims that Jefferson could be for the rights of slaves and a slaveholder at the same time.. because he was a “Man of the times…” well Thomas Pane was also a man of the times, yet was militantly opposed to slavery and one of the first to openly speak ( and write) against it. It’s also odd that you have Jefferson and Hamilton on the same list. The two where polar opposites. While Hamilton envisioned a nation run by capital, and wealthy men of industry, the Jeffersonian concept of “Democracy”, was a nation run by plantation owners. Jefferson hated the cities and referred to New York City as a vile and disgusting place. He didn’t understand, nor appreciate industry. Did Jefferson ever think slavery should truly be abolished or simply that slaves should be treated fairly?

I’ll skip Franklin & Adams, I admire both to a degree

Hamilton

Was leader of the Federalist movement that wanted to appoint George Washington as King, and ruler of the United States under martial law. I do however admire him to a degree for countering Jeffersonian idiocy.

Jackson

I can’t think of something for him at the moment…

Lincoln

There are various things people bring up about him from time to time. One thing that affected the Irish here in New York was the Conscription act of 1863. The Irish where in direct competition with the blacks for the lowest paying filthiest jobs. The act pitted them against each other as now they where being forced to go down south and free more of them, while the wealthy could pay their way out.

Ford

What did he do? Besides falling down the stairway when getting off the plane. Or to you mean Henry Ford who wrote THE INTERNATIONAL JEW,
THE WORLD'S FOREMOST PROBLEM (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/intern_jew.htm)

Edison

Don’t know of his politics so…..

Grant

In competition with Harding for title of US’s worst President. Grant probably had more scandals in his presidency than any other.

Custer

Now… what’s he doing on this list? Are you trying to shock us by supporting the slaughter of Native Americans?

Macarthur

Probably the worst thing ever to come out of Norfolk Va. There’s a long list of reasons I dislike him… however, all I’ll say is “Korea 1951”.

McCarthy

I think it’s obvious why you put this raving lunatic on your list as you’re not insane and no sane person would list him.

Patton

Speaking about people who aren’t sane…. well, besides that, he also called the Jews, “Sub-Human”.

I’ll skip the rest except:

Reagan

Ronald Reagan will be remembered for creating the largest deficit
this country has ever seen. Forcing the government to eventually
Trim the fat from government and balance the budget beefing up
the military budget to unprecedented levels. The strategy was to
show the American people that government was way too large so he
made it even larger to prove that it must be cut, however cutting
social programs for the neediest and placing the country into
hard economic times. The trickle down economics of the Reagan era
was a benefit for the wealthiest Americans, the problem is this
new added wealth in the form of tax cuts and incentives never
trickled down which created the largest gap between rich and
poor. Reagan seemed unconcerned about the homeless, the less
fortunate, health care, affordable housing, most social programs.
Maybe a great communicator but not a very compassionate person he
experienced America through tinted windshields never being in
touch with the real issues this country was facing

peaccenicked

17th August 2002, 06:01

good post RC, I did not know the half of it.

peaccenicked

17th August 2002, 06:06

goodbye storming moron see you in hell, I will probably be forced to eat you for breakfast. Thanks for not mentioning me, you made my day.

man in the red suit

17th August 2002, 07:46

what can I say? I'm gonna miss him. *sob

Moskitto

17th August 2002, 13:47

Washington
Jefferson
Franklin
Adams
Hamilton
Jackson
Lincoln
Ford
Edison
Grant
Custer
McCarther
McCarthy
Patton
Eisenhower
Truman
Trump
Reagan
Gates
Hefner

Neah, clearly, the greatest are

Opalev (Is 1:45 the limit? or will he go further)
Doktor
Dittmar
Kolgonsis
Giles
Balciero
Jamiesson
Gohar
S.Train
A.Train
Lee

RedCeltic

17th August 2002, 14:02

Moskitto:

Who are those people you listed?

Capitalist Imperial

17th August 2002, 16:45

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 11:26 pm on Aug. 16, 2002
CI, which "Patton" are you reffering to as one of the greatest people?

General Patton

Capitalist Imperial

17th August 2002, 16:50

Quote: from Nateddi on 12:15 am on Aug. 17, 2002
Half of those that are on SN's lists are racists, butchers, imperialists, and otherwise complete lunatics with no benefit to the general public whatsoever. Not one of them spoke out for ending slavery, for workers rights, for women's rights, for civil rights, for any kind of progress.

CI is a dogmatic right-winger spewing such names.

Lincoln didn't speak out to end slavery? Jackson wasn't out for workers rights?

Dude, know your history before u make such claims

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 4:58 pm on Aug. 17, 2002)

Capitalist Imperial

17th August 2002, 16:52

Quote: from new democracy on 4:00 am on Aug. 17, 2002
why is on the "great people list i cant see lincolen that free the slaves but slavemaster jefferson is there!?

well then, look again, ND, he is there

Capitalist Imperial

17th August 2002, 16:53

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 4:14 am on Aug. 17, 2002

Quote: from new democracy on 4:00 am on Aug. 17, 2002
why is on the "great people list i cant see lincolen that free the slaves but slavemaster jefferson is there!?

cuz this dude don't feel its necassary, it seems he doesn't feel history was a big issue

again, you geniuses, he is on the list

Lardlad95

17th August 2002, 18:31

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 4:53 pm on Aug. 17, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 4:14 am on Aug. 17, 2002

Quote: from new democracy on 4:00 am on Aug. 17, 2002
why is on the "great people list i cant see lincolen that free the slaves but slavemaster jefferson is there!?

cuz this dude don't feel its necassary, it seems he doesn't feel history was a big issue

again, you geniuses, he is on the list

I went on what new democracy said not the list, I dind't even read the list.

Now goingback to my other post, Ci tell me off like Norman did to everyone else when he left. I didn't get a long speech just a good luck and peace....now tell me off damn it.

Nateddi

17th August 2002, 18:43

Agreed CI, Lincoln obviously did wish to "end slavery". I would say my point was greater rights to racial minorities. Lincoln was completely opposed to that, he was actually a white supremacist, he wanted to deport all the blacks to Africa and Latin America

The strength in the South was it's economic life which relied for the most part on slavery. By abolishing slavery in those areas controlled by the Confederate government, Lincoln was able to inflict enough economic damage to make an impact in how the Confederate States would be financing their Army. With slavery becoming the enemy of the Union, anti-slave countries like France and Britain could no longer trade with the Confederacy or join the war on behalf of the South. The economic hardship caused so much of an impact, the Confederate Army had to resort to taking guns and supplies from old battle fields and from the bodies of dead soldiers.

"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races...I, as much as any man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people [the Blacks] are to be free. [period!]"

- Lincoln

(Edited by Nateddi at 7:25 pm on Aug. 17, 2002)

Guest

17th August 2002, 23:36

Quote: from Nateddi on 6:43 pm on Aug. 17, 2002
Agreed CI, Lincoln obviously did wish to "end slavery". I would say my point was greater rights to racial minorities. Lincoln was completely opposed to that, he was actually a white supremacist, he wanted to deport all the blacks to Africa and Latin America

The strength in the South was it's economic life which relied for the most part on slavery. By abolishing slavery in those areas controlled by the Confederate government, Lincoln was able to inflict enough economic damage to make an impact in how the Confederate States would be financing their Army. With slavery becoming the enemy of the Union, anti-slave countries like France and Britain could no longer trade with the Confederacy or join the war on behalf of the South. The economic hardship caused so much of an impact, the Confederate Army had to resort to taking guns and supplies from old battle fields and from the bodies of dead soldiers.

"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races...I, as much as any man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people [the Blacks] are to be free. [period!]"

- Lincoln

(Edited by Nateddi at 7:25 pm on Aug. 17, 2002)

"Agreed CI, Lincoln obviously did wish to "end slavery". I would say my point was greater rights to racial minorities. Lincoln was completely opposed to that, he was actually a white supremacist, he wanted to deport all the blacks to Africa and Latin America"

Yeah, that is true, and I agree that was wrong. I wholeheartedly support american diversity as one of our greatest strengths. I'm impressed that you knew that aspect of lincolns view on race.

"The strength in the South was it's economic life which relied for the most part on slavery. By abolishing slavery in those areas controlled by the Confederate government, Lincoln was able to inflict enough economic damage to make an impact in how the Confederate States would be financing their Army. With slavery becoming the enemy of the Union, anti-slave countries like France and Britain could no longer trade with the Confederacy or join the war on behalf of the South. The economic hardship caused so much of an impact, the Confederate Army had to resort to taking guns and supplies from old battle fields and from the bodies of dead soldiers."

a good strategy, eh?

[i]"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races...I, as much as any man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people [the Blacks] are to be free.

interesting

Guest

17th August 2002, 23:37

oh, that above post was me, CI

deadpool 52

18th August 2002, 03:08

Typical of one with an over-inflated ego.

suffianr

18th August 2002, 20:49

Stormin' left? :(

Well now, cappies, perhaps now's the best time to play "Follow the Leader", and spread along some miles? Come on now, the fight's not worth fighting as much without Stormin' here, eh? That's it, out the door, single file, come on now, it's never too late to leave, go on and colonize some other message board, you toffee-nosed twats!

But it's all good, Stormin', you made the right choice! Don't come back, for your own sake! Well, if not for fuck's sake, then! :)

Moskitto

18th August 2002, 22:17

If you really want to hear about someone with an overinflated ego, I suggest you look at my post in Chit Chat.

boadicea88

19th August 2002, 06:06

Quote: from suffianr on 12:49 pm on Aug. 18, 2002
Stormin' left? :(

Well now, cappies, perhaps now's the best time to play "Follow the Leader", and spread along some miles? Come on now, the fight's not worth fighting as much without Stormin' here, eh? That's it, out the door, single file, come on now, it's never too late to leave, go on and colonize some other message board, you toffee-nosed twats!

But it's all good, Stormin', you made the right choice! Don't come back, for your own sake! Well, if not for fuck's sake, then! :)

ROTFLMFAO!!!!! Exactly! :biggrin:

(Edited by boadicea88 at 10:07 pm on Aug. 18, 2002)

Moskitto

19th August 2002, 19:44

I watched a video and looked at the differences between Opalev and Kolonzics.

Opalev isn't very tall but he catches quite far forward and ends his stroke quickly to start a new one so he has an immense stroke rate. Also the way he races is he doesn't start quite as quickly as some people like Giles, but between 100m and 250m he powered it past everyone and gains distance with every stroke and by 250 he had nearly 2 boats length lead which no one could catch.

Kolonzics is very tall and very muscular and has very long strokes ending them past his hip and pushing the blade down with his weight. He stays up there during the first half of the race but stays out of peoples line of site so that he doesn't give people a target. But after 250 he starts racing quickly and caught Balciero who was gaining on Opalev and closed down the gap on Opalev from 2 boats length (11m) to the point where Kolonzics was overtaking Opalev when he took a stroke and Opalev was going ahead when he took a stroke, in just 150m.

21st August 2002, 20:02

Nateddi-what are your sources on those quotes of Lincoln? I knew Lincoln wanted to send the slaves back to Africa and did not want them in the US, but I didn't know he felt superior to them. That is very interesting.

j

deadpool 52

22nd August 2002, 04:45

Quote: from Moskitto on 3:17 am on Aug. 19, 2002
If you really want to hear about someone with an overinflated ego, I suggest you look at my post in Chit Chat.

Which one?

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 13:26

Not to overwork you with all these wild-goose-chases, but I want you to link me to these posts where Stormin "fought well, not trying to cause trouble".

Tell me, is this the kind of shit you're talking about:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=805 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=805)

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=820 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=820)

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=819 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=819)

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=794&start=10 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=794&start=10)

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=782 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=782)

That's just for starters. Oh, man, and I slaved away for a whole five minutes to find you these links.

Stormin provided NOTHING to this board but insults and shallow arguments. He was not here to learn a new perspective or teach us anything. He was here to piss people off. He was a troll in every sense of the word.
-Micheal de Panama (biggest pussy ever)

I don't think that my friends should have to find links because they understood my words the first time I said them, unlike you. The links you provided were self-defeating. They demonstrate my ability to debate and I still hold true to everything said in each one of them. If you can not understand what I say, that remains a personal problem. I will admit to having a confrontational style at times, but I don't think this negates the underlying content of my posts. Michael, at least my posts have substance, which is more than I can say for you.

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 13:37

To me, SN is a dummy. Maybe there's a better word for him. But when you don't care about people and put profits before workers I say, quite frankly, "Fuck You."

What an illogical jump you have made. By assuming that my defense of free market enterprise somehow equates to a lack of caring about people shows everyone who remains the dummy. By contending that no man should subsist on anything but their own hard work or gifts given by people who genuinely care for them is the most humane response I know. These ideas represent the human spirit that has carried our race so far. Hard work and integrity are virtuous qualities and should be intertwined with everyman's personal code of ethic. If you fail to understand this, that makes you a fool who will fail to achieve anything great of your own.

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 13:45

Well that's fuckin lovely. I'm glad you're gone, you were full of shit anyway.

That's funny, since you failed to prove to everyone how full of shit that I was when you had the chance to confront me face to face. Thank you, you coward. I will take that as a testament to my winning argument since you were to afraid to debate me on the merits of my assertions. Clearly, I was victorious in making you hide from an honest debate. The only thing you were capable of was attacking me personally, and you didn't even do a good job at that.

sonicattack

2nd September 2002, 13:50

I am rather dissapointed you did'nt get the oportunity to hate me with as much enthusiasm.

Have a cool holly. *shrugs*.

"NEXT".

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 13:53

This given, I understand I see things in my own way and have not been in your shoes. But cheap slander and dirty tactics never win the war.
-from Ismschism

That is good advice. When I started here, I set out with that attitude. However, over the course of months I became disillusioned by the general ignorance and slanderous remarks that were thrown my way. Eventually I reached a point where I decided to fight fire with fire. After my transformation, I was careful not to insult those who were not deserving of such harsh criticism. When somebody wished to debate things on the merits I was obliged. It became a rarity to have one of those exhilarating conversations that made this site become an addiction for me.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 2:47 am on Sep. 3, 2002)

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 14:00

But one thing you told off everyone else, i got one and a half sentences I feel jipped like a muthafucka
-lardlad

That is because I had many constructive conversations with you and I did not what to mire our intellectual relationship at its end. You are one of the few that I still respect. I too disagree with your positions, but at least we can have civilized discussions. I would call you a friend rather than a foe. Surely, if we could discuss things long enough we could see the truth in each others positions and possibly change each others minds on certain topics.

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 14:03

goodbye storming moron see you in hell, I will probably be forced to eat you for breakfast. Thanks for not mentioning me, you made my day.
-peacenicked

I know you were hurt. I am sorry, but I felt my disgust for you was a well documented fact. I did not want to waste anymore of my precious time on you. I have said it once and I will say it again you are an inconsequential yarmo.

James

2nd September 2002, 14:05

i thought you were leaving for ever?

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 14:08

what can I say? I'm gonna miss him. *sob
-man in the red suit

Thanks! That is the nicest thing any of the communist/socialists have ever said to me. I am not sure whether you were being sarcastic. In any event, I will take it as a compliment. I believe you are one of the few leftist on this board that I don't hate.

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 14:19

i thought you were leaving for ever?
-James

You wish! No really, do you want me to?

When I wrote these things I meant to, but the temptation was too great on this three day weekend. The responses to my post's had to be checked. When I came in, I couldn't refuse my desire to add a few more posts before I really did get bogged down with work. After today, I probably won't be back for awhile anyway. But you can count on my return. This will probably have to be during fall or Christmas break.

Remember when I made the post 'vote me off the island' or something to that effect? Do you regret not voting me off when you had the chance?

new democracy

2nd September 2002, 14:26

moron you are going to round my hanuca!!!!!

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 14:33

Last but not least, my capitalist friends who came to my defense and continue to hold the torch. Thank you all for the support. Even though I don't know you personally, it means alot to have the recognition of such fine people that obviously have a greater understanding than the majority of people. I hardly think that I deserve to be placed in the hall of fame among people like Thomas Jefferson. I appreciate the sentiment, however. Nevermind what kind of revisionist spin someone like Red Celtic places on these men's historical significance. I believe most of us sensible people understand the importance of their achievements. Hopefully, one day I can be placed with such notabe people. Right now, it remains premature. I would prefer the company of Noble Prize winner's, and will work to accomplish this feat.

Thanks again. I hope you did not feel defrauded by my sudden return. I meant to leave and will now do so quitely. My schedule for the next three months is booked. See you on the flip side.

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 14:35

moron you are going to round my hanuca!!!!!
-self hating jew

What the fuck is that suppose to mean?

new democracy

2nd September 2002, 14:39

that because you said that you are going to come back in christmas which hanuca is the same time as hanuca. and when you call me self hating jew it is realy immature.

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 14:40

you are leaving? you never answered back in our short debate on free market capitalism! http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=402&start=40 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=402&start=40) well, if you ever do come back, make sure to visit that link and reply. if you do, send me a PM as i might not see your reply.
-abstractmentality

I am sorry. I almost forgot about you again. When I return next time I will adress this post and offer Vox a detailed paper of how businesses are adversely affected by government intervention. You will have to wait, sorry.

By the way, I respect your willingness to debate. I think we avoided going to blows and attacking each other personally. You deserve an answer and I will get around to it.

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 14:44

and when you call me self hating jew it is realy immature.
-ND

Don't you think that is a bit hypocritical coming from somebody who starts addresses every message to me with moron?

new democracy

2nd September 2002, 14:47

maybe i wouldn't call you a moron, with you didn't piss me of much!!!!!

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 14:55

I have asked many of you to start a thread that offers real reasons for why I am so terribly hated by the left on this board. Start a working thesis and come to a general consensus as to why you and your brethren hate me, and I will read it when I return. Perhaps you could be the first to offer valid reasons for you hatred, as of yet, none of you have had the ability to clarify this point. Maybe it will always remain undescribable for those with an inability to describe the world accurately. This is the challenge that I present to you. Are you up for the challenge?

new democracy

2nd September 2002, 15:09

it can be easily explained. i don't hate ak, and he is one of my favorite members because he says:"communism is a noble idea, but it practice sucks". but you says:"communism is a horrible idea, and it practice sucks!!!!". now you understand?

Stormin Norman

2nd September 2002, 15:26

No! I don't understand, because again the left fails to formulate a good reason. Why don't you put some real thought into this and start a new thread devoted to uncovering this mystery for me. The reasons I give for hating the communist philosophy as well as its practice are well grounded and supported by a number a valid points. Why don' t you analyze this and come up with a better explanation of your hatred for my beliefs and me. As it stands I have yet to get a decent response, but yours is probably the worst. You offer a generic answer with no supporting arguments. Furthermore, by contending that communism is a 'good' philosophy you support my claim that you are a communist. For someone who hates communism, you certainly are sympathetic, aren't you pinko?

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 3:28 am on Sep. 3, 2002)

new democracy

2nd September 2002, 15:30

i am saying that the idea is good but in practice it is the same as capitalism. and what IDEOLOGICAL things you oppose in it?

boadicea88

2nd September 2002, 21:13

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 6:19 am on Sep. 2, 2002

i thought you were leaving for ever?
-James

You wish! No really, do you want me to?

Hell yeah. Go away.

Remember when I made the post 'vote me off the island' or something to that effect? Do you regret not voting me off when you had the chance?

Never heard of the post, but I do regret not voting you off anyway.