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Stormin Norman
13th August 2002, 14:50
The following article was posted in the news section:


Originally published in Spanish by La Jornada
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Translated by irlandesa


La Jornada
Friday, August 9, 2002.


Pro-Zapatista Campesino Shot Eight Times, Killed


Hermann Bellinghausen, correspondent.

17 de Noviembre Autonomous Municipality,
Chiapas.
August 8.

José López Santiz, a Tzeltal campesino and EZLN support base, was executed last night in the vicinity of the community of 6 de Agosto. His son, a 12 year old child, who was an eyewitness, stated that the killing was carried out by Baltazar Alfonso, a trucking businessman in Altamirano, with a shotgun.

The victim received seven or eight gunshots to his face and chest. The killer, and two other persons who had been accompanying him, were still at large. Indigenous from various communities of the Autonomous Municipalities, gathered together this afternoon in the village where the incidents took place, stated that Altamirano municipal authorities allowed the assassin and his companions to flee.

Regardless, the men left incriminating evidence behind them, such as the murder weapon and the vehicle which they arrived in last night. They were unable to get back to it, because the community had woken up and were waiting for them next to the black Toyota V6 van, with a Chiapas license plate number of CX03420. Faced with this situation, Alfonso and his companions fled on foot along a neighboring road to the city of Altamirano.

The indigenous identified Benjamin Montoya Oceguera and Humberto Castellanos, also apparently truckers, as the companions of “Señor Alfonso,” as the eyewitness referred to him. “I saw it,” the youngster said seriously. “He shot two times, and I shouted at my father to take care. The señor asked me why I was yelling, that he was going to kill me also.” The boy began to run, while his father, who had fallen to the ground, was shot six more times.

López Santiz’ wife, in a certain stupor that was part pain and part courage, said: “He went to the milpa at about 7 at night with the two children (his sons, along with a girl). The vehicle arrived at 9 and parked here,” she said, pointing to the van. The field is located “half an hour away by foot,” the campesinos said. The killers turned into the mud road, apparently in search of the victim. They were on their way back, related the child, when the attackers appeared. The younger child fled at that instant.

The shots and the cries from the children raised an alarm among the seven families who make up the 6 de Agosto community, which the indigenous founded in 1994 on the recovered lands of what had been the San Juan ranch.

Prior to fleeing, the attackers concealed the corpse in the undergrowth. Public Security police showed up there at about 3 in the morning. They took the corpse, without the presence of the Public Ministry agent and against the will of the relatives, “and they took it to the municipal cemetery in Altamirano.” This morning, some 200 zapatista indigenous blocked the Altamirano-Ocosingo highway and recovered the body of the fallen campesino. As of this afternoon, the representative of the municipal Public Ministry had still not shown up, nor had any certificate been issued.

“They gave them the opportunity to escape,” the indigenous accused the authorities this afternoon. “They didn’t want to detain them.”

Today, at 3 in the afternoon, a gray vehicle ran the indigenous blockade at a high rate of speed: “It was going to kill the compañeros. It was a deliberate act,” another family head from the village told La Jornada. The campesinos then pursued the gray vehicle to the municipal presidential office, where the attackers sought cover.

Nonetheless, the indigenous captured these individuals., and this afternoon they were holding them at the edge of the highway, waiting for human rights observers.

José López Santiz’ body was resting tonight in a house in 6 de Agosto, covered in several serapes. The coffin was next to him, and a cloud of flies was buzzing from the box to the body. Jose was a relatively young man, as could be seen by his bloody face, his strong body, his glassy open eyes. As the children and men came upon the body, they stared at it, hypnotized.

The farm workers told La Jornada that they had detained a son-in-law of Baltazar Alfonso. Denying any responsibility, he confirmed his father-in-law’s guilt and even the manner in which the crime had been planned.

Does anyone really care about this guy or his death? *Seems to me like the guy probably had some bad karma coming to him. *I wonder how many people he himself has killed. *Oh well another set back for the weakening EZLN. *Death to the revolution!

I hope EZLN takes care of his wife and kid. *They are victims of his stupidity, and should not suffer as a result. *Do you think they will provide for them, or will they be forgoten now that Jose's use to the organization has expired?

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 2:54 am on Aug. 14, 2002)

Michael De Panama
13th August 2002, 14:56
Wow, SN. How very hypocritical of you. And you tell me I don't value the lives of the opposition. This is proof that your whole claim about me is nothing more than a mere projection of who you are.

new democracy
13th August 2002, 15:01
victims of stupidity? do you know what is to live in mexico? do you know what is to an indian in mexico? usualy i dont support communist leaning things but this time their have to be a change!!!

Stormin Norman
13th August 2002, 15:04
I did not tell you that you did not value the lives of the opposition. I told you that you took pleasure in the suffering of others. Furthermore, I am not the one who professes to have a greater caring of my fellow brother in order to get people to buy into my ideology. All I did was note my indifference to the matter, and question whether this was actually news worthy. I don't think you have a case, my friend.

IzmSchism
13th August 2002, 23:43
woh Bro,
Have you done any reading on the Zapatista movement?

Michael De Panama
14th August 2002, 02:23
Your argument, then, is not that capitalism is good and communism is evil, but that everything is evil. Very typical of you bourgeois folks. Evil eyes will see only evil. That's the way it goes.

Your efforts made to bring something to our attention you claim you "didn't care about" are too much to pass for anything BUT delight in suffering. And there is no apology, only justification.

It's not that I don't have a case. It's that you don't have a leg to stand on.

(Edited by Michael De Panama at 2:24 am on Aug. 14, 2002)

Michael De Panama
14th August 2002, 02:53
And, like I said, this is proof that your whole claim about me is nothing more than a mere projection of who you are.

boadicea88
14th August 2002, 04:32
*Hisses* Argh, SN has done it again- pissed me off so much I can barely talk. Who cares that Jose died, he was just another life. Just some dumb bastard fighting for his beliefs, fighting for his family. How stupid he was. Good riddance. *Fumes* I shouldn't let cold-blooded idiocy get to me...Grrrrr :angry:

BTW, If MDP 'took pleasure in the suffering of others', why's he vegetarian??

All you did was note your indifferance to the matter, eh? Your indifferance to the life of another man? How about if I say "gee whiz, who gives a flying fuck about that Chandra Levy. She was just a capitalist, probably had some bad karma coming to her." Is that OK?

Nateddi
14th August 2002, 05:59
Agreed

SN, I guess some people are more equal than others.

I was one of the few people that bothered to stand up and condemn those that made a happy event of Charlton Heston diagnosis. Unless one is a heinous criminal of a convicted crime, I will never condone death. This seems to me as if SN is simply trying to piss the left off in this thread.

STALINSOLDIERS
14th August 2002, 06:51
what the hell it was the c.i.a i say the zapatistas blows up capitalist building en mexico.. i take pleasure taking live of a capitalist (: 0{

ArgueEverything
14th August 2002, 08:44
yes, SN. if it makes you feel better thinking that every zapadista member is a murderer (without any evidence), and that therefore every zapadista member's life is an inconvenience, then you go right ahead and think that.

peaccenicked
14th August 2002, 09:48
SN.Why dont dont you go and register your brainless indifference elswhere.
You goto a commie site to tell them you dont care about the death of one of their comrades.
Does that not just make you sick bastard.
Then you tell us I am not the one claiming to be humanitarian, case proven.
Brilliant example of how a capi's morality is only a convienience.
btw
Is this meant to be a political forum or a place where sickos can display their twisted inhumanity.

Guest
17th August 2002, 23:47
Good Post, SN.

Another agent of evil oppression eradicated.

A toast to a victory for capitalism: Bottoms up to Chinese Subs

Guest
17th August 2002, 23:48
oh, that was me, CI

death b4 dishonour
18th August 2002, 03:12
I care, SN u fucking wanker.

I think it was last week that CI or some other cappie posted something about NRA president charlton heston getting alzheimers. i think it was micheal de panama who said that it was good, another gun crazy american taken care of. and all the cappies, mainly CI were horrified abnout his disregard for human life. Chalton Heston will probably live a normal life for about 10 years more before his alzheimers kicks in. big deal. at least hes alive. that campesino was shot 8 times by a shotgun at close range. You are a fucking hypocrite piece of shit.