New cop scheme in the UK

[Kropotesta]

Well a new idea has been proposed to be implemented cops. The idea is that they follow 'yobs' with a video camera and record everything they do, whether they're doing anything unruly or not.
Appartently this has been tested in Essex and reduced crime. So what do you think about this new scheme?

[Lord Testicles]

Isn't this what FIT teams do anyway?

[Post-Something]

This is horrible.

[TC]

We should get video cameras and follow cops around!

[Kami]

We should get video cameras and follow cops around!
I may be wrong, but I recall there is legislation against that -.-

[pusher robot]

I may be wrong, but I recall there is legislation against that -.-

Not in the U.S. As long as you stay on public property and don't interfere with operations, you are legally free to monitor the police. They may not know that, but the law is on your side.

[ManyAntsDefeatSpiders]

There was/is a program called Cop Watch.

[Kropotesta]

Isn't this what FIT teams do anyway?
the FIT don't walk around knowingly filming perdestrians in the street.

[Bud Struggle]

http://www.cops.com/


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Great show!

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yes, because we all know how well rampant use of cameras in the the UK has slashed crime:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/06/ukcrime1

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yes, because we all know how well rampant use of cameras in the UK has worked in reducing crime:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/06/ukcrime1

:rolleyes:

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

fucking twats its bad enough now this is stupid.

The only reason this has being put in place is to win votes from the pieces of shit that the daily fail has convinced that all working class young men are out to burn down your house and stab you in your sleep.


Wankers!

[Bud Struggle]

fucking twats its bad enough now this is stupid.

The only reason this has being put in place is to win votes from the pieces of shit that the daily fail has convinced that all working class young men are out to burn down your house and stab you in your sleep.


Wankers!

Who cares if they are photographed? If they are innocent--they will be exhonerated by the film--if they are guilty they will be condemned.

It makes life easier and more fair for all involved--who could question that?

[Kropotesta]

Who cares if they are photographed? If they are innocent--they will be exhonerated by the film--if they are guilty they will be condemned.

It makes life easier and more fair for all involved--who could question that?
they aren't just being photographed. They are being followed with a video camera and made to know of their presence. On the clips it showed of there use in Essex the cops were walking directly behind a group of lads walking along a street in broad daylight.
More fair? How would you feel if someone walked around allday blatently filming you with a fuck arse big camera without your constent?

[freakazoid]

I hope you are not being serious TomK.

[Bud Struggle]

I hope you are not being serious TomK.

If they are not doing anything criminal or being arrested for such--NO ONE has a right to photograph them for publication.

[Kropotesta]

If they are doing anything criminal or being arrested for such--NO ONE has a right to photograph them for publication.
READ. They are using video cameras to film people, even if commiting no offence.
This bares a striking resemblence to what was happening to blacks in London prior to the infamous Brixton riots.

[Bud Struggle]

READ. They are using video cameras to film people, even if commiting no offence.
This bares a striking resemblence to what was happening to blacks in London prior to the infamous Brixton riots.

I miswrote: I was agreeing with you. Sorry. :)

There are times Commies and Capitalist can agree on things. Too much government is never any good.

[Kropotesta]

sorry if I seemed overly harsh but this whole issue has got my goat, as it were. I don't wanna have fucking rozzers stalking me when I ain't even doing shiz!

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I just + repped you for that comment.

I really dont want some **** walking around videoing my life. If i wanted that id piss off to the big brother house

[Qwerty Dvorak]

I really don't see what the big deal is, unless the police are authorized to invade the privacy of the "yobs" by entering their homes or something. If it can't, then it's really no worse than me walking around videotaping you - it's weird and arseholish, but it's not a major infringement on your rights.

You see, this is why England needs a Constitution and Constitutional Courts.

[Robert]

fucking rozzers stalking me

LOL! I love that word.

Anyway ... go ahead and follow the "fucking rozzers" around with a camera if you want. If you do, you've got way too much time on your hands.

"Rozzers." God do I love that. "Outta me face, you fucking rozzer!" Do I sound British, olde boy? Eh, whot?

Must dash. Cheery bye.

[Lord Testicles]

the FIT don't walk around knowingly filming perdestrians in the street.


How can you not knowingly film someone when your filming people?


For anyone who doesn’t know, these are the cops who are paid to harass anarchists (and the Far Right, football fans and Islamic fundamentalists). They follow “known” people on protests and they stand outside public meetings taking photos and writing copious notes.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/06/374044.html


Must dash. Cheery bye.

It's Cheery-O, not cheery bye. :rolleyes:

[Robert]

Thank you, Skinz, but ... While "Cheery-O" is definitely traditional, "Cheery bye" was said with nauseating regularity by none other than David Niven in the excellent movie "Separate Tables."

Help me out, you older limies; was "cheery bye!" not in your lexicon at one point? Is it still?

[Bud Struggle]

I just + repped you for that comment.

I really dont want some **** walking around videoing my life. If i wanted that id piss off to the big brother house

Thanks Comrade!!!

And I definitely agree about people nosing to one's private life--we have enough people taking all sorts of info about us--let alone videoing us.

[Kropotesta]

On the methods use on an estate in Essex.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=511327&in_page_id=1770

Further information of the proposal from the Government.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3891917.ece

[Robert]

Krikey blime me but there's a lot of rozzer whot needs a fookin' colly-wopper in the jizz pump.

RTG, aks "Limey Bitters."

[bcbm]

I really don't see what the big deal is, unless the police are authorized to invade the privacy of the "yobs" by entering their homes or something. If it can't, then it's really no worse than me walking around videotaping you - it's weird and arseholish, but it's not a major infringement on your rights.

You see, this is why England needs a Constitution and Constitutional Courts.

I'm pretty sure harassment is an infringement of one's rights.

[Killfacer]

not being funny and i disagree with this entirely as there is an unfair assumption of guilt but none of you strike me as the kind of people who walk around with a group of mates causing trouble. Therfor any statement about "being followed by rozzers" is simply not true.

Plus i dont know were you lot live (Kropotesta, it sais your profile that you live in the Fens on your profile, not exactly hackney) but it can be pretty hairy being kicked off with by a group of kids. I agree this is an invasion of privacy but i think something has to be done to tackle huge groups of kids threatening people. If the left ignores this then it is truly out of touch with what the people of Britain want, no wonder the left has been stagnant for so long, it claims to be populist but ignores what the people want.

[Kropotesta]

not being funny and i disagree with this entirely as there is an unfair assumption of guilt but none of you strike me as the kind of people who walk around with a group of mates causing trouble. Therfor any statement about "being followed by rozzers" is simply not true.

Plus i dont know were you lot live (Kropotesta, it sais your profile that you live in the Fens on your profile, not exactly hackney) but it can be pretty hairy being kicked off with by a group of kids. I agree this is an invasion of privacy but i think something has to be done to tackle huge groups of kids threatening people. If the left ignores this then it is truly out of touch with what the people of Britain want, no wonder the left has been stagnant for so long, it claims to be populist but ignores what the people want.
This comment only highlights your ignorance and lack of knowledge of people and places.
Please fuck off.

[Jazzratt]

not being funny and i disagree with this entirely as there is an unfair assumption of guilt but none of you strike me as the kind of people who walk around with a group of mates causing trouble. Therfor any statement about "being followed by rozzers" is simply not true.

"The innocent have nothing to fear". I thought we'd realised what bollocks that was when the coppers started locking up people for looking a bit arabic under anti-terror legislation.


Plus i dont know were you lot live (Kropotesta, it sais your profile that you live in the Fens on your profile, not exactly hackney) but it can be pretty hairy being kicked off with by a group of kids.

That's an argumentum ad hominem and a particularly shit one. Just because one member who opposes this may or may not live in inner city London (and there are plenty of members who do) and may or may not have got into a street fight or three (and there are plenty of members who have) it doesn't make the idea of the filth following people around for "gathering whilst young & working class" any less of a fucking Orwellian nightmare.


I agree this is an invasion of privacy but i think something has to be done to tackle huge groups of kids threatening people.

Yeah because we need to give the state more powers to disperse individuals engaging in behaviour they disapprove of rather than working within the grass roots of the neighbourhood and engaging with locals on the matter. After all we all know that a police state is dandy as long as it's a benevolent police state.


If the left ignores this then it is truly out of touch with what the people of Britain want, no wonder the left has been stagnant for so long, it claims to be populist but ignores what the people want.


I think you've got "leftists", "populist" and "opportunist" mixed up.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

I'm pretty sure harassment is an infringement of one's rights.
But if I'm just taking pictures of you or something it wouldn't really be harassment.

[pusher robot]

But if I'm just taking pictures of you or something it wouldn't really be harassment.

Anything is harassment if the victim cannot escape it. If you walk behind me down main street, that's not harassment. If you follow me everywhere I go, clearly it is.

Likewise with surveillance. If I have my image captured from time to time, that's not harassment. If I am monitored every minute of my day, it is.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

I know, but I highly doubt that the scheme would create an atmosphere of surveillance from which people could not escape, it would take far too much resources. Surveillance may be increased but I personally cannot see it becoming such as to constitute harassment.

[Cymru]

The police man doesnt need to be videoing, just his prescense would be enough. But unfortunatly the police only spend 63.5% of thier time (daily mail) on the frontline. A more effective way to reduce crime would be to reduce the amount of paperwork so the officers can have more time in teh community.

[Kami]

only spend 63.5% of thier time (daily mail) on the frontline.
.... DAILY MAIL?
Really, it's safe to disregard that. And I prefer my lice to spend their time explaining themselves than harrassing me.

[RNK]

It'd be nice if we took cameras out to video them in return, but unfortunately we can't get paid $50/hr to do it. We've got other shit to do.

Just fucking smash the thing and run.

[Vanguard1917]

The police man doesnt need to be videoing, just his prescense would be enough. But unfortunatly the police only spend 63.5% of thier time (daily mail) on the frontline. A more effective way to reduce crime would be to reduce the amount of paperwork so the officers can have more time in teh community.

In other words, you want greater police presence in our communities. That's a fully reactionary demand. The point is to get the pigs off our streets and out of our communities - not welcome them in.

[bcbm]

But if I'm just taking pictures of you or something it wouldn't really be harassment.

If I don't want you to take my picture, you fucking bet its harassment.

[Bud Struggle]

Along this line of people taking pictures of other people: they have this website put out by the English Nazis (whatever they call themselves there) and it seems some other European Nazis called Redwatch. The site shows rather unflattering pictures of Commies doing the kinds of things Commies do. Sometimes it even gives addresses and personal information about particular Commies.

While I guess such things are legal, I find that sort of thing particularly distasteful. :reda::hammersickle:

[Killfacer]

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