20 Charged in Child Porn Ring

[Brian]

WASHINGTON (AP) - A group of parents sexually molested and photographed their own children and swapped pictures over the Internet, forming what one man called "the club," said U.S. Customs Service officials who announced charges Friday against 10 Americans and 10 Europeans. Forty-five children were victimized, including 37 Americans ranging in age from 2 to about 14, said Customs Commissioner Robert C. Bonner.

"These crimes are beyond the pale," Bonner said. "They are despicable and repugnant."

The suspects are men except for Bente Jensen of Denmark, who was charged along with her husband, Eggert Jensen.

Among the U.S. citizens charged since January are chiropractor Lloyd Alan Emmerson of Clovis, Calif., who has pleaded innocent, and eight others named in a federal indictment unsealed Friday in Fresno, Calif.

Another, Jeffrey Naimo of Killeen, Texas, has pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 20 years in prison, Bonner said.

Six residents of Denmark, Switzerland and the Netherlands also were indicted in Fresno, including the Jensens, and the Justice Department ( news - web sites) is seeking their extradition, Bonner said.

Two Englishmen and two Germans face charges in their home countries, officials said.

"What is particularly disturbing about this case is that the majority of the people who have been charged were actually the parents who were sexually exploiting their own children," Bonner told a news conference.

A few of those arrested received pictures but did not produce them, Bonner said.

Each charge of sexual exploitation of children, conspiracy to exploit children, and receiving and distributing child pornography carries a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years to a maximum of 20 years. Some defendants could receive 60 years if convicted of all charges against them, Bonner said.

More arrests are expected. Authorities are still trying to identify other children in some of the explicit pictures.

Investigators allege that members of the ring befriended each other through Internet chat rooms and began trading explicit computer messages.

Men sometimes requested photographs of children in specific sexual poses. One asked for an audiotape so he could hear a child crying while being spanked, the indictment said.

The investigation began when the international charity Save the Children found a picture on the Internet that appeared to show a child being molested and reported it to Danish authorities.

Danish police found information on the Jensens' computer that was forwarded to the U.S. Customs Service and led to Emmerson's arrest. A search of his computer led to more arrests, officials said. Emmerson's lawyer, H. Ronald Sawl, did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

The other Americans facing charges include: Paul Whitmore of San Diego, who has pleaded innocent to related charges; Brooke Rowland, San Diego, who also has pleaded innocent; Tracy Reynolds, Longview, Texas; Leslie Peter Bowcut, Burley, Idaho; Michael David Harland, West Palm Beach, Fla.; Harry Eldon Tschernetzki, Spokane, Wash.; John Zill, Greeneville, S.C.; and Craig Davidson, Chanute, Kan.

An 11th American, Sean Bradley of Reno, Nev., committed suicide prior to the filing of formal charges, said Customs special agent Mike Netherland.

The other four foreigners indicted in Fresno were identified as Jean-Michael Frances Cattin, Marcel Egli and Peter Althaus of Switzerland; and Dirk-Jan Prins of the Netherlands. No hometowns were provided.

Netherland said authorities in England and Germany had asked that those suspects not be named while their investigations continue.

source (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=519&ncid=718&e=1&u=/ap/20020810/ap_on_re_us/child_pornography_13)
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Only 20 years? I think they should have got the full charges and got 60.



(Edited by Brian at 8:37 pm on Aug. 9, 2002)

[Nateddi]

heard about this on the news. sick fucks. firing squad for them.

[Sasafrás]

Wow! Brian actually made a post about something that's important. Let's rejoice!

[Anonymous]

One has to question what exactly went wrong inside their heads that motivated them to commit such heinous acts. Were some of them subjected to the same abuse when they were children? Did some of them have chemical inbalances in the brain which caused severe psycological disorders to develop? Or, are they just sick perverts who became so addicted to pornography that they felt they needed to enact their fantasies in reality through their own children. One can only wonder.

In any case these sick bastards should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 8:29 am on Aug. 10, 2002)

[vox]

Why is this in a forum called Socialism Vs. Capitalism?

Unless someone wants to make the argument that this filth is created in response to a market (enlightened self-interest would come into play here) I don't really see how it's relevant.

vox

(Edited by vox at 11:10 pm on Aug. 9, 2002)

[peaccenicked]

I think it is probably safe to assume that the post is a source of deep upset and I am dont why Brian posted it but I hope it is not some stupid attempt at humour.
If anybody reading this by the grace of god hopefully does not needs help but if so.
Speak to someone trustworthy.
google search on helplines (http://www.google.com/custom?q=child+abuse+helpline&sa=Google+Search&cof=LW%3A109%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.che-lives.com%2Fcommunity%2Fimages%2Fcam.gif%3BLH%3A73 %3BAH%3Acenter%3BAWFID%3A62a5fd06bd44674e%3B&domains=che-lives.com&sitesearch=)

[vox]

Peace,

It didn't even occur to me that it could be humor. For the record, I don't think it was intended as such.

It is, however, quite beyond the scope of this forum, as is the health of Charlton Heston.

I understand that the two are quite dissimilar in character, but they are both inappropiate for this forum.

vox

[pastradamus]

Those sick fucks have scared kids for life.

Their inmates will kick the fuck outta um.
well,at least thats what happens over here

[peaccenicked]

Child Molestation And Abuse


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Let's face it. Almost all the rules and tips about increasing children's personal safety have to do with your two big fears for children: sexual molestation and physical harm.

Each year an estimated 100,000 U.S. children suffer some form of sexual abuse. The average age of the child victim is 10 years old.

Teaching stranger rules is smart, but not enough. In the majority of cases, the child sexual molester is known to the child and the child's family. That's why only a minority of abuse cases is reported to the police. The abuser is often a parent, relative, baby-sitter or close family friend. Children may give in to adult's sexual advances because they fear losing their love, or fear their punishment. Therefore, they are especially vulnerable to sexual abuse by someone they know, like people who care for them regularly. Children are trusting and defenseless. Make sure you check carefully the references of baby-sitters, day-care centers, and recreation leaders.

A child may not recognize sexual abuse when it happens, or even know it's wrong, especially if the abuser is someone the child knows. Children must learn what appropriate touching is. Discuss it with your child. Many children instinctively know what proper distance should be kept between them and other persons. Sometimes a child may be uncertain about the intentions of another person. In this situation, children should know it's O.K. to respond in a way that makes them feel safe and more comfortable. Children usually know that genuine and gentle affection is different from someone who tries to touch their genitals or fondle them in any way that makes them feel unsafe. They should pull away immediately if someone suggests such actions, even if they're offered a present as a bribe.

HOW TO RESPOND

Children often make up stories, but they rarely lie about being victims of sexual assault. If a child tells you about being touched or assaulted, take it seriously. Your response is very important and will influence how the child will react and recover from the abuse.

Stay calm. In a reassuring tone, find out as much as you can about the incident. Explain to your child that you are concerned about what happened. Don't be angry. Many children feel guilty, as if they had provoked the assault. Children need to be reassured that they are not to blame, and that they are right to tell you what happened.

A child may need to be taken immediately to a doctor or an emergency room. Sometimes the child may need to be treated for V.D. and checked for pregnancy.

Law enforcement, special hot-lines or a child welfare agency should be contacted right away.

Sometimes, a child may be too frightened or confused to talk directly about the abuse. Be alert for an change in behavior that might hint that the child has suffered a disturbing experience.

Is the child suddenly more withdrawn than usual, refusing to go to school or afraid to be alone?
Is the child having trouble sleeping, waking up with nightmares, or wetting the bed?
Is the child complaining of irritation of the genital areas?
Are there signs of increased anxiety or immature behavior?
Does the child show a marked change in behavior toward a relative, neighbor or baby-sitter?
Other Child Abuse
Including sexual abuse, an estimated one million child abuse incidents are reported every year. Other forms of child abuse include physical violence, emotional cruelty and deprivation and physical neglect.

Child abusers are persons usually known to the child. This means most cases are not reported to authorities and children continue to suffer because abusers are repeat offenders.

Child abuse is dangerous and against the law. Many abused children will grow up and victimize their families, and others, later in life. It is your duty as a citizen to report suspected cases of child abuse by contacting a special hot-line, the police, or child welfare agency immediately. The children need help and treatment as soon as possible.


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[Stormin Norman]

"Unless someone wants to make the argument that this filth is created in response to a market (enlightened self-interest would come into play here) I don't really see how it's relevant."

The way that this problem is growing has everything to do with the liberal view of the justice system. For years they have been telling us that the purpose for the institution of law is to rehabilitate the poor criminal who is the victim, being a product of our society. This philosophy has caused tremendous harm to the application of law and the society, which is victimized by this erroneous concept. Relativist ideas regarding morality has made this kind of atrocity more available, as our society is convinced that all forms of perverse thinking must be tolerated.

If ever anyone deserved the death penalty it is in a situation such as this. Of course, you liberals would disagree saying, "that is not the purpose of the justice system, who are we to judge whether a man should be put to death. We are not god, as god does not exist."

I disagree. The purpose of law is to implement justice. Harming children, rape, and murder are acts that cost the victim irreconcilable harm. The perpetrator can never repay his debt to society or the victims. That is why they must pay the ultimate price. The judicial system should be the means by which to reach a righteous result. Nothing suits these scum bags more than the death penalty.

Personally, I think a better purpose for child exploitation advocacy groups, like the Clause Foundation, would be to subvert the law, track these people down and kill them. More good would be done in doing so, than bringing such activities to the attention of the public who has been taught that they have no right to judge such actions.

[Moskitto]

I do think that the justice system should try to rehabilitate criminals but not because they are the "victim" of our society, although I would agree that some criminals are the result of their surroundings.

An area in the town I live in called Meadow Way is well know as a hotbed of criminal activity. About a 18 months ago someone was murdered there because of a heroin fued. Most of the people who live there probably haven't known any other way because the housing is so cheap there and most of the people there probably can't afford anything more expensive. If you got rid of the poverty you'd get rid of most of the crime.

Anyway, I think that if you tried to rehabilitate criminals you'd turn some of them into productive members of society.

P.S. I also think that people on the other side of the river aren't actually as clever as people on this side of the river. The school on our side gets better results, their side didn't want to have a train station so we got it instead, and they didn't want annother town centre built on our side (the current one is urm, every shop=closed,) because of "traditional rivalry." And it's all because some guy decided it was a good idea making going to MK cheaper than shopping in LB. I think i'll stop this now because no one else understands what i'm talking about.

[Stormin Norman]

You offer the perfect example of the craziness that I was noting in my post. If somebody raped and killed your sister would you still want to convert them into a productive member of society? Would you really want to take the risk of letting such a person back on the streets?

"Most of the people who live there probably haven't known any other way"

Yeah, I am sure they are all too stupid to understand the difference between right and wrong. More than likely they think that "consequences dictate course of action", and your liberal government will offer them little in the way of punishment. They probably think that the police won't even bother to investigate a drug murder. In either case they get off with minimal damage.

You probably have never been exposed to the kind of corruption and have been sheltered your whole life. You probably live in suburbia. How else would you get away with your kind of niave thinking? I suggest you go live on the other side of the river for a few months, see what transpires in the way of crime, and then come back and talk to me about rehabilitation. Come back and tell me a revolving door justice system is the best way to deal with crime.

[Mazdak]

Like nateddi said, firing squad for all of them...

[Moskitto]

No, what I was saying was that most of those people probably haven't known any way other than to steal cars to fuel drug habbits and were probably abused by their parents and thus take out their anger on everyone else. In a similar way a lot of school bullies live in such surroundings.

Of course some criminals aren't the result of their surroundings, like freudsters, most murderers, and often rapists. What I was trying to say was that poverty fuels crime.

Edit: By the way, incase you were wondering, they found the killers. He was murdered by an ex-girlfriend and her brother who abducted him, took him to a an abandoned house, tortured him before tying him to a chair and taking a baseball bat to him. They then went to a phone box and made a phonecall to the police who then questioned everyone in the street about if they saw anyone make a call (someone I know got questioned and asked why the were asleep at the time.)

(Edited by Moskitto at 5:04 pm on Aug. 11, 2002)

[marxistdisciple]

It's a terrible, terrible and henous crime that these people have committed. should they be punished, of course. Should they be killed? Not unless you value revenge over justice. some of them are untreatable and should be locked up for life, and yes, that is much better punishment than death. you know why? because they will be known publically in prison for the rest of their life for what they did, and they will have to live with it. they will pay that way. death is not a punishment, and it doesn't help.

I don't think it is a product of society's liberalism as stormin tries to say though, I think it's just the fact that children are actually being listened to nowadays. It wasn't that peodophiles suddenly appeared in the last few years, it's just that eventually people are taking these things seriously. It's been happeneing for 100s of years, my dad told me it happened at the boarding schools he went to, it's been happeneing in children's homes too. the thing is, the net makes them easier to catch as these pictures are then in the public domain, so people have become aware. With computers you can track where the pictures go, that has helped the police catch them. The bastards should be pusnished and stopped, of course. Why are they so messed up tho?

[Moskitto]

oh yeah, BTW, if what i've heard about prison life, those people who were trading child porn are going to get their heads smashed in when they go to prison. In prison Dog>Paedophile

[STALINSOLDIERS]

i say kill all porn stars, kill people that watches it, they are the scums of the earth they have no rights to live...and all of them are capitalist and if i see a Communist doing porn or watchiong it they should also die, same for a Muslim....

[Stormin Norman]

"Of course some criminals aren't the result of their surroundings, like freudsters, most murderers, and often rapists. What I was trying to say was that poverty fuels crime."

The judge should not concern itself with such value judgements. It should only be concerned about seeing that justice is served. Having them rot in jail eating three squares and watching cable is hardly my idea of justice. Death is the only way to deal with certain heinous crimes. In America pedophiles and sexual offenders get put in different cell blocks, because everyone knows the general population will kill them. If they were to throw them in general population that would be justice.

[marxistdisciple]

Why is a death a good punishment?
They only get to suffer for a few seconds and it's all over. I'd rather they suffered for 40 -60 years rotting in a cell, hated by everyone. Much better punishment.

[STALINSOLDIERS]

yeah your right marxist , slow painful death, my idea was to make them blind,dum that they cant speak,cut out the ears so they cant hear, cut of the arms and legs, and cut of the tougne...they cant do nothing but suffer.............to stormin capitalism fuels poverty, poverty brings violence......so capitalism is no good.

[Capitalist Imperial]

#1 physically castrate them

#2 put them in a 10 x 10 concrete block, drop a bag of mush and some water into their cell once a day, and continue this process unitll they die

no rec time, no leaving the cell, ever

thats it

[Stormin Norman]

They still remain a burden to the US taxpayer. All parties can be satisfied that the perpetrator is dead. No longer are they a burden to the taxpayer.

You ask me why should we kill them. I have said that their is no way for them to repay their debt to society, for they have caused irreparable harm to the victim, the victims family, and society. They should then pay the ultimate price, after the appeals process has been exhausted. If you wish them pain, I would agree to a putting them to death through a method comparable to that of the crime. Heck, offer the victim's family a choice in the method. Let them throw the switch.

I ask you why should we keep them alive, when they are of no use to society and present a chance of escape? What justification do you have for their existence, after the fact? Don't they give up their right to life, liberty, and pursuit of hapiness once they have infringed upon the rights of another, through such violent acts?

[Moskitto]

Hey, couldn't they build something that has the best aspects of both prison and the death penalty called "the hole"

You have like a big underground bunker with tunnels and stuff and when you're thrown down there you stay there for life and can't get out.

Then they have TV cameras down there and have the "hole show" and people subscribe to cable channels to watch convicted criminals fight each other in big gang wars all day and night. instead of putting them in prison where tax payers have to pay for them.

And unlike the death penalty, you can actually get people out of the hole, although it should be ensured that only those truely guilty of heinous crimes go down there.

Although I predict that no one things that this would be a good idea. Maybe an evil "Neocratic" dictatorship that's going to rise to power in 2042 will enact such a policy.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I kind of like that idea, moskitto, and SN, you are correct, I forgot about the economic implications, although my method would be much cheper than our current prison system. I proposed the isolated box system due to the fact that it would be proper punishment, as in some cases death seems to be an easy let-off.

I am, however, pro death penalty.

[Moskitto]

That idea is something I invented when I was in year 6 and we were thinking of radical and crazy ideas for things to do with murderers. But something similar also appeared in a Star Trek Voyager episode.

However, It could feature in a new sadistic form of government called "Neocracy." I think I could write "The Black Book of Neocracy" about all the heinous and evil things that Neocrats did around the world.

[Mazdak]

Porn is perverted but killing those who watch it isnt a good idea. However, execution of all bestial pornographers/ child pornographers is an excellent idea. And it should be labor camp style, not just a quick painless injection.

As for rapists, they should simply bbe sterilized at first but if they are violent, execution again.

[Anonymous]

We should crucify them. Or boil them slowely like frogs.

[Moskitto]

I think they should put them in the hole and watch them on TV like the good old UNR.

[STALINSOLDIERS]

i say we beat them to there death like with bats and stuff...ive beaten some with a bat with nails hammered around it, it give a hitting a wonderful feeling..

[Moskitto]

In the UK concernes have be raised about whether accused paedophiles get fair trials.

Basically, in any paedophillia case, a jury will automatically seek to protect the child because it is the normal reaction of most people to protect the child. This means that the accused is not innocent until proven guilty and has to make a much stronger case to prove their innocence than the case to prove their guilt.

Also there are too many cases which refer to events that happened 20 or 30 years ago where there is no evidence apart from people testimonies. This means that people are getting convicted because juries will automatically believe the word of the accuser over the word of the accused (even though they're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty,) so people are almost certainly being found guilty of crimes they didn't do.

Paedophillia cases should be tried by magistrates.

Oh, and people in the UK can be really stupid sometimes. A mob drove a Paediatriction into hiding because they thought that anything with Paed in it meant someone who abused children. Then they attacked a 17 year old because he had a 15 year old girlfriend (yeah, sure if they went all the way that wouldn't be legal, but a 17 year old going out with a 15 year old is not paedophillia.)